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S04.E10: The Not-So-Silent Partner

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Annber03

Annber03

3 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

"I think we sometimes forget that Samantha once hit her head really hard."

I laughed out loud at that line XD. Same with Pete's "He would make a great Dead Ringer if he would just die already." 

So, in a surprise to nobody, ,I'm sure, Hetty is Irish! I loved her reaction to learning about that part of her past (her bit about already feeling inclined to drink was another good line). 

But Thor knowing about that part of her past, and protecting her from it because he knew the family details would be painful for Hetty! That was a genuinely touching element of the story, and I really love how they touched on "Gordon's" bond with Hetty again as they did here <3. Their talk and saying they loved each other was so very sweet and lovely. I really like the moments when they acknowledge how the older ghosts were witness to Hetty's life. 

Also sweet - Isaac agreeing to take a step back with his input on the restaurant. AND letting Sam and Jay keep the money besides! He's genuinely working towarsd that whole "being a better person" thing :). His face falling duirng the whole group improve bit, though - awwwww. Isaac :(. 

(That whole group improv bit was fantastic. I loved seieng them all get in on it, and Jay picking up what they were doing and running with it as he did. And Sam doing all this to help protect Jay's friendship and business relationship with Mark was a nice touch, too.)

Also wild to see Kelsey show up agian in this context, but I liked what they did with her here. Mind, Sam and Jay should've anticipated she'd be out for herself first and foremost, but as noted, they were desperate*, so...:p. 

*I liked Jay asking, "Are we really that desperate?" Jay? Have you met the rest of this household XD? 

That was a fun episode. 

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phalange

phalange

“This is just like one of those movies where a regular girl becomes a princess.” Lol. Cute shout-out to Rose McIver’s Christmas Prince movies.

Thor still wanting to protect Hetty even after she no longer saw him as her imaginary friend Gordon was very sweet. Thor really has seen everything, and I wonder what other secrets he’s holding on to.

And apparently Alberta’s real name isn’t Alberta. The way Pete and Thor looked at her when she said that was hilarious. We definitely need to unpack that in another episode. 

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Annber03

Annber03

14 minutes ago, phalange said:

Thor really has seen everything, and I wonder what other secrets he’s holding on to.

And apparently Alberta’s real name isn’t Alberta. The way Pete and Thor looked at her when she said that was hilarious. We definitely need to unpack that in another episode. 

Seconding all of this. I hope they do touch on both of these things further in future episodes/seasons, however long this show continues to run. Lots of good story material to play with there. 

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PaulE

PaulE

1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

Also sweet - Isaac agreeing to take a step back with his input on the restaurant. AND letting Sam and Jay keep the money besides! He's genuinely working towarsd that whole "being a better person" thing :). His face falling duirng the whole group improve bit, though - awwwww. Isaac :(. 

I was glad he did that.  Throughout the episode up to that point I was thinking, "This is all your fault, Isaac, and you're not even competent as a silent partner."  Deep down, Isaac isn't a bad person, but if he hadn't made things right he'd have been a complete villain.

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kathyk2

kathyk2

This was a great episode but where was Sass? I liked that they did some foreshadowing with Thorfinn next week. I think Isaac isn't very popular with the older ghosts. The scene with Hetty and Thorfinn was very sweet although I wonder why he didn't try to prevent Thomas from killing Alberta? He could have made the lights go out before Thomas poisoned her drink.

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kathyk2

kathyk2

1 hour ago, PaulE said:

I was glad he did that.  Throughout the episode up to that point I was thinking, "This is all your fault, Isaac, and you're not even competent as a silent partner."  Deep down, Isaac isn't a bad person, but if he hadn't made things right he'd have been a complete villain.

Isaac has been my least favorite character this season. He agreed with Patience that Sam was a witch. He misled Sam and Jay about his diary and I hated his childish obsession with dinosaurs.

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Bastet

Bastet

I forgot the show was coming back, so missed the first several minutes and thus don't know how Hetty found out about her Irish heritage, but it led to some hilarious and sweet moments.  "Hetty love Gordon."

I enjoyed Jay and Sam gaslighting Mark that he was being sexist, especially that no, they never said "he" about the investor, he just heard rich investor and assumed it was a man.  That can easily come off as mocking the very real and very consequential fact of subconscious bias, but it somehow worked here.

Thor holding many secrets is a nice nod to how very long he's been there, and how he knew some of the ghosts when they were alive.  So it kind of worked to have Sass not there, as much as this rotating out an actor thing remains an underlying annoyance, since the same is true of him.

The concept of Isaac having money that he either lets Sam and Jay have or not, when it's always been Sam's money - since he's, you know, dead - has annoyed me since the moment this storyline started, so I'm glad he might finally back off that interference for good.

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shura

shura

7 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

The scene with Hetty and Thorfinn was very sweet although I wonder why he didn't try to prevent Thomas from killing Alberta? He could have made the lights go out before Thomas poisoned her drink.

He (nor Hetty, for that matter) didn’t have any reason to interfere.  He didn’t know Alberta yet, she was just one of a multitude of random people who stopped by the mansion over the years.  Her name isn’t even Alberta!  (A random side thought - Thor couldn’t communicate with the living world before electric lights, and then he could.  Yay for technological progress!)

”You can trust us, you don’t need a representative.” - “Where have I heard it before? Oh yes, King George III.”

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

 

12 hours ago, phalange said:

“This is just like one of those movies where a regular girl becomes a princess.” Lol. Cute shout-out to Rose McIver’s Christmas Prince movies.

My favorite line this episode.
IMDb says the previous episode had Sam saying "I hate zombies."

 

11 hours ago, Skooma said:

The whole nutty idea to use a con woman and things go crazy as a result is right up something Lucy would do on "I Love Lucy."  Classic comedy writing.

Yes, but this plot arc felt more like an Eddie Haskell bit on Leave It To Beaver, meaning I kind of hated the main characters choosing to get re-entangled with their nemesis. But…

12 hours ago, Annber03 said:

(That whole group improv bit was fantastic. I loved seeing them all get in on it, and Jay picking up what they were doing and running with it as he did.

…yeah, the final denouement fixed it. 

But does it make sense that Mark is raking in the bucks enough to have expensive vacations? Or is this going somewhere? 

 

Hetty's reveal and her reaction seemed like a subtle social commentary on the value of positivity. I think they often do that? 

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chaifan

chaifan

11 hours ago, Skooma said:

Loved Hetty is half Irish.  Loved the whole episode. 

I think she's just 1/4 Irish.  Wasn't the woman they were researching her grandmother?  

Somehow I missed the comment about Alberta's name not being Alberta.  When did that happen?  

If Hetty was going to be mad at Thor for not telling her the truth about being Irish, wouldn't she also have to be mad at Sass?  and Issac?  How would Thor know about this and the others wouldn't?  

How much money is Isaac making off this book?  I thought the initial payment was only $10,000 or something like that, and some of that went to his wedding.  

I loved Pete being able to go back to his love of improv.  And I loved how Jay just went with the flow of the whole thing.  

I really want Marc to get looped into the ghosts being there, and to be all "hey, no big deal" about it.  Mostly because I want Jay to have someone to talk about all this with.  

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iMonrey

iMonrey

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18 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

The scene with Hetty and Thorfinn was very sweet although I wonder why he didn't try to prevent Thomas from killing Alberta? He could have made the lights go out before Thomas poisoned her drink.

As we saw in the flashback, the ghosts were downstairs enjoying the party. They aren't omniscient. They're only aware of what they happen to witness.

8 hours ago, chaifan said:

If Hetty was going to be mad at Thor for not telling her the truth about being Irish, wouldn't she also have to be mad at Sass?  and Issac?

Again, it was Thor who overheard Hetty's grandmother speak of growing up in Ireland. If he didn't repeat it to any of the other ghosts they wouldn't have known about it.

I didn't think this was the strongest episode but I got some good laughs out of it. Particularly when Kelsey said "Do either of you work for State Farm? If you do you have to tell me." I don't know why that cracked me up so hard, it was like when dummies buying drugs from undercover cops think cops have to tell them they're cops.

I'm not sure what the takeaway is on Thor saying Sven Forkbeard got his name because he once got a fork stuck in his beard. Does he mistakenly believe that, or is that supposed to be the actual reason he was called that?

I don't see how that restaurant could be nearly ready to open. The exterior walls still have cracks between the aged slats that make it up. It would be freezing in the winter and all kinds of bugs would get in.

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possibilities

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Mark thinking Jay's dad was an original investor will come back to haunt them, right? He's going to find out at some point-- mark will mention it during one of dad's visits. I guess they can use the same story, that Sam was lying, but it makes things really messy-- messier than usual. Similar lies to different people, undermines trust a lot.

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Bastet

Bastet

4 hours ago, chaifan said:

How would Thor know about this and the others wouldn't?  

Because she could see him when she was little, he paid a lot more attention to her than they did (even after she could no longer see him, because he felt so protective).  He was in the house more, and happened to be the only one there when he overheard a conversation in which something that's usually a secret was discussed.  So it makes sense he's the only one who ever found out.

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Annber03

Annber03

7 hours ago, chaifan said:

Somehow I missed the comment about Alberta's name not being Alberta.  When did that happen?  

It was just a one off line during the group improv scene - Alberta said something about how her name wasn't even really Alberta and the others were like, "...what?" and she was just like, "Nothing!" 

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How much money is Isaac making off this book?  I thought the initial payment was only $10,000 or something like that, and some of that went to his wedding.  

I honestly don't know that any of his money even went towards his wedding - I kept wondering ilast season if that was going to be a plot point when it came to the arguments over the money going towards the restaurant, but it never did (and since the wedding didn't wind up going through, well..).

But yeah, last we checked he's got more than $10,000 in there now, 'cause there was an episode last season where Trevor got him to invest in some weird stock that caused the amount to go up, and if he's still helping Isaac invest in stocks that are successful, who knows how much money Isaac's got set aside now. 

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Lugal

Lugal

7 hours ago, chaifan said:

Somehow I missed the comment about Alberta's name not being Alberta.  When did that happen?  

When the truth about Kelsey came out, Alberta told Sam to skip town and change her name and start somewhere new.  Then she said do you think my name's really Alberta?  It was probably a throwaway joke, but with her history of hanging out with rumrunners and gangsters, I'm willing to bet she's gone by many names.

Although it does remind me of many years ago I heard an interview with Ruth Brown where she told about touring with Bo Diddley in the 50s and sometimes they would arrive in a town to find that "Ruth Brown" and/or "Bo Diddley" had already played there two nights before and had already been paid.

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shura

shura

5 hours ago, iMonrey said:
8 hours ago, chaifan said:

If Hetty was going to be mad at Thor for not telling her the truth about being Irish, wouldn't she also have to be mad at Sass?  and Issac?

Again, it was Thor who overheard Hetty's grandmother speak of growing up in Ireland. If the didn't repeat it to any of the other ghosts they wouldn't have known about it.

Even if they knew, whether Thor told them or they learned about it independently, Hetty didn’t have time to figure out if she has to be mad at them too.  The issue got resolved before Hetty had a chance to talk to Isaac or Sass.  She understands now why people wouldn’t bring it up.

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Check Sanity

Check Sanity

3 hours ago, possibilities said:

It's interesting that Trevor hasn't seemed to ask for a commission of any kind on the proceeds from the investing. I'd think that might be a plot point, when he buys something or other.

Trevor has his own money from his online job and the stocks he’s been investing it in. It’s how he ultimately convinced Jay to pretend to be him aka “Michael Jackson”—by paying Jay and Sam. 

However, I also vaguely recall one off jokes/comments that he’s bought things with Sam and Jay’s money before because he & all the ghosts know Jay’s passwords. I don’t think he cares about money though, so much as having leverage to make deals and/or show off/gloat about something for fun.

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iMonrey

iMonrey

2 hours ago, shura said:

Even if they knew, whether Thor told them or they learned about it independently, Hetty didn’t have time to figure out if she has to be mad at them too.  The issue got resolved before Hetty had a chance to talk to Isaac or Sass.  She understands now why people wouldn’t bring it up.

Thor said he didn't tell anyone 'til just now. But Pete and Trevor were standing there and Hetty asked them if they knew and they didn't deny it so who knows. Sass or Patience might have overheard it independently and blabbed.

This is the second time Flower has referenced sleeping with all of Fleetwood Mac. Nice continuity.

Thor is a Miranda? Yeah, I think that's more likely than a Samantha.

This is a jabot, for anyone else who didn't know:

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

22 hours ago, Skooma said:

But missed Sass being the one out this episode.  Making up a story on the fly would have been right up his alley.

Because he is the storyteller!!  :)

If Thor wanted to protect Hetty, he should've quickly pulled Sam aside and told her the truth, then she could've decided whether to tell Hetty the truth or not.  

I'm glad we finally got a new episode.  I wasn't crazy about the con woman coming back.  I didn't love that storyline, but overall, it was still a good episode.

Now I want to know what other secrets Thor knows!  

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kathyk2

kathyk2

On 1/30/2025 at 9:35 PM, Annber03 said:

Seconding all of this. I hope they do touch on both of these things further in future episodes/seasons, however long this show continues to run. Lots of good story material to play with there. 

I love the writers aren't afraid to use characters again or mention previous episodes. Sam and Jay talked about the actor from dumb deaths. I'd like to know if the showrunners ever watched the Golden Girls? Hetty is Dorothy Alberta is Blanche Flower is Rose and Nancy is Sophia.

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chaifan

chaifan

7 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

They have got to get Jason Momoa to do a cameo one day.

Final episode.  He dies at the manor, and Alberta gets to spend eternity with him.  😁 Eh, while we're at it, throw in Colin Farrell for Hetty.  They're filming a period piece, a stunt goes wrong, they both die.

Of course, Alberta and Hetty get about 10 seconds of "yes, our dreams have come true!" and woosh!  they get sucked off.  But then Thor gets to play with Jason and Colin for another 1,000 years, they're all for trouples/quadruples with Flower, so it's all good.

😆

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Skooma

Skooma

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13 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

I love the writers aren't afraid to use characters again or mention previous episodes. Sam and Jay talked about the actor from dumb deaths. I'd like to know if the showrunners ever watched the Golden Girls? Hetty is Dorothy Alberta is Blanche Flower is Rose and Nancy is Sophia.

Interesting comparison.  It would never have occurred to me but it really does fit pretty well. 

Love Nancy as Sophia especially, lol.  And yeah Rose was right up there being spaced out like Flower except she did it without drugs, haha.

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kathyk2

kathyk2

4 hours ago, Skooma said:

Interesting comparison.  It would never have occurred to me but it really does fit pretty well. 

Love Nancy as Sophia especially, lol.  And yeah Rose was right up there being spaced out like Flower except she did it without drugs, haha.

Dorothy and Hetty both had cheating husbands. They were my favorite characters on their shows.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

20 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

Sam and Jay talked about the actor from dumb deaths.

3 hours ago, Bastet said:

Who booked the lead on Dr. Whoo - a web series about an owl who teaches kids math.

I watch with Closed Captioning on, and at first thought it was a typo, LOL:

  • What about the guy who played Pete in Dumb Deaths? He was an actor.
  • He's in England.
  • I saw on Instagram he booked the lead in Dr. Hoo.
  • Whoa! That's incredible.
  • Oh, sorry, "Hoo," H-O-O.
    It's a Web series about an owl that teaches kids math.
  • Either way, he's not available.

 

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Harvey

Harvey

8 hours ago, Orcinus orca said:

What happened to the headless guy?  He was in the pilot - was he ever in subsequent episodes?  I don't recall seeing him.

He was in episode 3 of this season when everyone holds hands to get to Patience through the dirt. I think originally the writers included him because he is a much bigger presence in the UK show with a couple of episodes featuring him, but then just didn't feel like exploring him on their version of the show so now he is just in the background barely present. 

 

What I also find interesting is the dropped storylines this season. Is there going to be a follow up on "The Others" Patience returned to? And what about Peter's girlfriend being a killer, is he going to confront her about it at some point? 

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Annber03

Annber03

I'm presuming we'll see soem follow up to the stuff with Patience at some point, yeah - I could see that being something that comes back around the time of the season finale or something. 

Donna, I don't know - he knows what she's really like, so all he has to do is just...not see her anymore and that'd really be the end of that storyline. It would be wild if she did show up again someday, though. 

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iMonrey

iMonrey

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On 2/1/2025 at 8:51 PM, Fake Jan Brady said:

So Thor keeps a secret for centuries to save his friend from humiliation and Isaac sacrifices his financial power for the good of others. What's a ghost gotta do to get sucked off around here?

That's the $64,000 question, isn't it? We still don't know. Traditionally ghosts have unfinished business. We assume that means in life, but maybe there's something more these ghosts need to do in death.

On 2/2/2025 at 9:22 AM, Snow Apple said:

What was the line about "day of the week that ends with a Y?" I remember laughing but I can't remember the exact quote. I think it was in this episode.

"Isaac complain about monarchy. Must be a day ending with Y."

On 2/2/2025 at 1:58 AM, Harvey said:

He was in episode 3 of this season when everyone holds hands to get to Patience through the dirt. I think originally the writers included him because he is a much bigger presence in the UK show with a couple of episodes featuring him, but then just didn't feel like exploring him on their version of the show so now he is just in the background barely present. 

It's probably also expensive/cumbersome to do the CGI for the headless ghost. If you think about it, we don't even really see the regular ghosts walking through walls very often. 

On 2/2/2025 at 1:58 AM, Harvey said:

What I also find interesting is the dropped storylines this season. Is there going to be a follow up on "The Others" Patience returned to? And what about Peter's girlfriend being a killer, is he going to confront her about it at some point? 

I'm sure we will circle back to "The Others" at some point. This show has very good continuity with that sort of thing. But the story with Pete's girlfriend was wrapped up satisfactorily IMO. I don't know that there's anything more to tell about that. She can't leave the resort, and why would he go back to her knowing she was a murderer?

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PaulE

PaulE

On 1/30/2025 at 9:09 PM, Annber03 said:

But Thor knowing about that part of her past, and protecting her from it because he knew the family details would be painful for Hetty! That was a genuinely touching element of the story, and I really love how they touched on "Gordon's" bond with Hetty again as they did here

Viking men, including the warriors, were supposedly decent fathers (at least, given the standards of the time) when they weren't off raping and pillaging, and we saw in the flashback with baby Bjorn that Thor showed affection for him, so I've often thought that his tenderness toward Hetty first as a child and then as a grown woman stemmed at least in part from the fact that he was robbed of fatherhood.  She was, in a way, a substitute for his son, whom he never was able to raise.  I imagine that, during his early years as a ghost, he must have missed his family and worried about what was happening to them without him there to look after them.  That was on top of the abandonment and (until Sass came along) isolation.  He's had a pretty tough ghost life, if you think about it.

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Annber03

Annber03

38 minutes ago, PaulE said:

Viking men, including the warriors, were supposedly decent fathers (at least, given the standards of the time) when they weren't off raping and pillaging, and we saw in the flashback with baby Bjorn that Thor showed affection for him, so I've often thought that his tenderness toward Hetty first as a child and then as a grown woman stemmed at least in part from the fact that he was robbed of fatherhood.  She was, in a way, a substitute for his son, whom he never was able to raise.  I imagine that, during his early years as a ghost, he must have missed his family and worried about what was happening to them without him there to look after them.  That was on top of the abandonment and (until Sass came along) isolation.  He's had a pretty tough ghost life, if you think about it.

I love this theory. That makes a lot of sense. He's been around a thousand years nad seen a few ghosts come and go in that time, and who knows how long the periods were when he was alone, with no other ghosts around to befriend and get close to? And then, like you said, his feelings around his own abandonment that he never fully dealt with, either. 

So yeah, of course he'll cling even more to the ghosts that have stayed around, and bond with them as he has, like with Hetty. 

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kathyk2

kathyk2

42 minutes ago, PaulE said:

Viking men, including the warriors, were supposedly decent fathers (at least, given the standards of the time) when they weren't off raping and pillaging, and we saw in the flashback with baby Bjorn that Thor showed affection for him, so I've often thought that his tenderness toward Hetty first as a child and then as a grown woman stemmed at least in part from the fact that he was robbed of fatherhood.  She was, in a way, a substitute for his son, whom he never was able to raise.  I imagine that, during his early years as a ghost, he must have missed his family and worried about what was happening to them without him there to look after them.  That was on top of the abandonment and (until Sass came along) isolation.  He's had a pretty tough ghost life, if you think about it.

Thorfinn's shipmates were cruel leaving him behind especially now that we know he had a family. He probably bonded with Flower over their lost loved ones.

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