AntFTW Tuesday at 05:55 PM Share Tuesday at 05:55 PM Quote The epic, two-part Final comes to a close as the finalists battle for their chance at a share of one million dollars. An epic twist could see someone's dream taken away from them. Air date: June 8, 2025 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/
mojoween Thursday at 02:30 AM Share Thursday at 02:30 AM All that damn swimming makes me so sad for Kyland. But he still has his hotness, even if no $$$. Speaking of hot - young Christopher was so damn pretty. John suuuuuuuuucks. Jenny and Rachel tying sucks because he feels like he has won something. Watching people say their karma votes for several of them I was like “they were on *this* season?” 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8549962
Lamima Thursday at 02:38 AM Share Thursday at 02:38 AM (edited) What a BS final. All that swimming which only helps strong swimmers. How about a more rounded final with many different challenges and not just swim. Also the karma votes screwing Michele and bumping Jenny and Rachel to tie for 1st. BS. Gonna watch the rivals season coming up. Looks interesting. Also, the air date is January not June. Edited Thursday at 02:42 AM by Lamima 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8549979
AntFTW Thursday at 03:23 AM Author Share Thursday at 03:23 AM That karma vote is bullshit! No shade to Rachel but Jenny murdered this final and she should have been the sole winner for the women. I watched Rachel gave that horrible performance in this final to then watch her be in 1st place. WTF! 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550060
AntFTW Thursday at 03:39 AM Author Share Thursday at 03:39 AM Who had Rachel being bumped from 3rd to 1st on their bingo card? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550068
bunnyface Thursday at 03:46 AM Share Thursday at 03:46 AM I am so tired of hearing Rachel pontificate about how important all this is. It's a stupid reality show, Rachel. It's not that deep. And "I wouldn't have it any other way." Really? You don't wish you had been nicer to one other person and got one more point and won allll that money for your family instead of splitting it? No? Bullshit. Congrats on your win, but stuff a sock in it. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550072
LotusFlower Thursday at 03:56 AM Share Thursday at 03:56 AM Weird outcome, and weird final. Undoubtedly disappointing for the producers to create the karma vote only for it to have no effect on the men's race. All that for nothing! At least it played a part in the women's standings, although it was weird how they played it down. Yes, Michelle moved from 2nd place to third, but she got so many pats on the back for her strong season. And to me, the story was Jenny - she only got two karma votes!! If she didn't have such a commanding lead during the final, she would have lost! Again, weird how they didn't talk about any of that. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550080
Jobiska Thursday at 04:27 AM Share Thursday at 04:27 AM (edited) I know Kyland isn't everyone's favorite, but in addition to having a gorgeous (and frequent, even in last place) smile, he seems to be one of the kinder challengers, helping Michelle out of the water, etc. (and as I commented last week, thanking all of the checkpoint accuracy checkers). He could be cranky and bitter (coughBananascough) about the swimming never giving him a chance, but he wasn't. Jordan's talking head on the coconut water was funny. Poor Tori doing all that coin counting, singing by herself, and still getting last. ETA the two "swim through here to a beach/cave" locations were absolutely gorgeous. Edited Thursday at 04:28 AM by Jobiska 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550105
aghst Thursday at 05:46 AM Share Thursday at 05:46 AM 2 hours ago, AntFTW said: That karma vote is bullshit! No shade to Rachel but Jenny murdered this final and she should have been the sole winner for the women. I watched Rachel gave that horrible performance in this final to then watch her be in 1st place. WTF! Not only that, Michelle outperformed Rachel too. But the vacation alliance, when they had the numbers, were probably alienating those not inside the circle. So maybe Michelle could have tried to cultivate more people. OTOH, the game is to build the biggest alliance and avoid elimination so she did that part right. She might not have reached the Final otherwise, though she did win some eliminations. Yeah it was too much swimming, so the guy who trained for triathlons Jordan did best, while high school swim team members Derek and Michelle also did well. The women as a group were better swimmers. They made the checkpoints favor strong distance swimmers but the locale dictated swimming, though maybe there were islands where they could have had more running and climbing. Still I think it would have favored the same people. Jenny really performed well despite asthma and all the bulk. The eating challenge they feared might have flipped the advantage the best swimmers had. Tori and Michelle were surprised that the Karma points didn’t help them or in Michelle’s case, probably denied her at least $50k. It was a long season too, so while $75k or even $25k isn’t too bad for 36-40 hours of Finals competition, it’s not great for maybe 2 months of competing? Probably better than these challengers could earn otherwise. Still the younger ones should try to build a regular career, not try to follow people like Johnny. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550144
AntFTW Thursday at 05:51 AM Author Share Thursday at 05:51 AM 4 minutes ago, aghst said: OTOH, the game is to build the biggest alliance and avoid elimination so she did that part right. Barely. Didn't she go into elimination twice? 7 minutes ago, aghst said: Tori and Michelle were surprised that the Karma points didn’t help them or in Michelle’s case, probably denied her at least $50k. Tori got a decent amount of karma points. Unfortunately for her, they couldn't make up for her terrible performance. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550147
AntFTW Thursday at 06:08 AM Author Share Thursday at 06:08 AM Jenny West is the first woman to win back-to-back seasons on the flagship show since Sarah Rice (Exe 2 & Rivals 3). Jonna & Kaz recently did it with All Stars & The WC Spinoffs. Jenny is also the first player to win 2 out of their first 3 seasons...SINCE Jodi on The Duel 1/Gauntlet. Whether you love or hate Jenny, she's already put herself in elite company in Challenge History. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550156
aghst Thursday at 06:16 AM Share Thursday at 06:16 AM Well … good for her and this Final was more weighted to physical prowess than mental ones. No doubt she spends more time in the gym than any other female competitors and probably many of the male ones. I don’t recall her first Final win. Maybe some of the supplements for body building helps her. Can’t necessarily rule out performance enhancing drugs, which are not uncommon in the body builder community. But even legal things like creatine may increase endurance. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550161
Lantern7 Thursday at 07:03 AM Share Thursday at 07:03 AM (edited) Well, that was an interesting ending. Looks like the Karma Votes weren't rigged, because a tie for first might be seen as too weird. Then again, Jenny and Rachel wound up splitting first-place money. If Michele officially finished third, why not add the dough from first and second, then split it between Jenny and Rachel? If you look at it that way (and cared about the results), you can make a case that they got hosed. On the men's side, there was no way in hell to justify Jordan not winning. Derek finishing second was a neat surprise. Basically, "What If Steve From AS4 Was Gay And Slightly More Interesting?" And with Kyland getting screwed over by the constant swimming, of course Johnny would come in third. I still think Rachel is one of the most overrated Challengers in the franchise's history. Yes, it is remarkable that she spent most of the game being the only old-school player in the game . . . but the Karma Vote vaulted her from third to first. Basically, she had more people exiting the game that liked her, and that was a bigger difference than anything she did on the field, in the Arena or on the sidelines. Michele should leave the franchise and concentrate on getting cast for the fiftieth season of Survivor. This isn't her show. If she had gotten more points from the departed than Tori, she would have won. All Stars: Rivals looks interesting . . . but doesn't every season before it airs? With Turbo in the house, I hope the BMP stacked up on tranquilizer guns. Otherwise, they'll be needing body bags. Edited Thursday at 07:04 AM by Lantern7 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550175
mojoween Thursday at 10:19 AM Share Thursday at 10:19 AM It’s going to be hilarious if they never do karma votes again, but the hamsters are all SUPER nice to each other because they are worried about karma, only to it to be all for naught. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550216
DEL901 Thursday at 11:05 AM Share Thursday at 11:05 AM At first I was also surprised they didn’t do the disgusting eating and actually got something nutritious, but then I realized that at this stage, particularly with another long swim after 36+ hours of hell, giving them something that might cause puking could be dangerous if they had to do a swim right afterwards. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550224
RedbirdNelly Thursday at 04:24 PM Share Thursday at 04:24 PM it would have been a better final to have had some balance. I'm ok with some swimming challenges but it would have been more impressive if there was a mixture. Jordan would do well regardless; it just would be a more balanced show. And Michelle would have been less disappointed with 3rd given she really benefited from all the swimming. I would prefer for the karma stuff to be handled differently. It shouldn't be a popularity contest but I'm ok with some "don't be a jerk" aspect. I thought they were going to give people timing disadvantages based on the karma piece, so it could help/hurt you but not necessarily jump your spot. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550377
LaurelleJ Thursday at 06:11 PM Share Thursday at 06:11 PM Another season I was able to finish without being spoiled, yay. Interesting final. On the men's side, Jordan earned that win decisively so I would have been a little sad for him if the karma vote ended up screwing him over. In the end, I am glad that the vote did not affect the winner because everyone earned their wins. Poor Kyland. I like that he was a good sport throughout the whole final, even though what else would have have done? He has experience, hopefully he will train better and come back stronger. I don't think we will see a final so focused on swimming again though. On the women's side. I'm glad that the karma vote didn't affect the overall winner in terms of place. Even though I love Rachel, however, I still feel a teeny bit bad for Jenny that she has to split the 1st place winnings with her. Rachel did fight hard though, the only one left from her era while it was being picked apart. Yes that's the game karma since everyone else dismantled era 1, but that's not Jenny's fault because her era was making her the scapegoat. It does suck, but them's the rules. Being the hypocrite that I am, I don't like Michele so it didn't bother me that she slid from 2nd to 3rd and got less money. I see some people online saying that they should have had Michele be 2nd and Tori be 3rd, but there have to be only 3 money prizes. Again, them's the rules. Good on Kyland for helping out Rachel and Michele at the key box checkpoint, he was dead last anyway but still being helpful. Michele asking Derek to let her have a math question was selfish. This is the final girl, everyone for themselves. Bananas jumping off the boat while TJ was going over the results earned a chuckle from me. Looking forward to All Stars 5. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550444
jsm1125 Thursday at 06:17 PM Share Thursday at 06:17 PM 14 hours ago, bunnyface said: I am so tired of hearing Rachel pontificate about how important all this is. It's a stupid reality show, Rachel. It's not that deep. And "I wouldn't have it any other way." Really? You don't wish you had been nicer to one other person and got one more point and won allll that money for your family instead of splitting it? No? Bullshit. Congrats on your win, but stuff a sock in it. I get your sentiment in general about Rachel, but I think Rachel had achieved the maximum that she could with karma points. She was ahead of Tori, who was ahead of Michele, who was ahead of Jenny for karma points. (8, 6, 4, 2) I don’t think Rachel receiving (let’s say) twelve 5 ratings versus eleven 5 ratings would have made a difference Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550448
AntFTW Thursday at 06:28 PM Author Share Thursday at 06:28 PM 22 minutes ago, RedbirdNelly said: I would prefer for the karma stuff to be handled differently. When they said the karma points would give an advantage, I thought that meant they get advantage somewhere in the running of the final, for example, something like a 5 minute head start or maybe they did get a shortcut during the running or something like that. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550456
AntFTW Thursday at 06:49 PM Author Share Thursday at 06:49 PM 18 minutes ago, LaurelleJ said: Even though I love Rachel, however, I still feel a teeny bit bad for Jenny that she has to split the 1st place winnings with her. 23 minutes ago, LaurelleJ said: It does suck, but them's the rules. Being the hypocrite that I am, I don't like Michele so it didn't bother me that she slid from 2nd to 3rd and got less money. Same. That's because Jenny worked for it and gave it her all. Jenny was the better competitor without question. Rachel on the other hand gave a very mediocre performance. It's not like she was sabotaged. Rachel really struggled in this final, and she did that all on her own. Rachel even got a little help. I get it's the rule of the game, but it's hard for me to compute that Rachel did so poorly and also came in first but then Jenny did great and had to share. I'm hypocritical too. I like when the rules align with my thoughts. 😂 I felt the same way for Michele. I just watched her blow Rachel out of the water, (no pun intended) just for Rachel to beat her? Make that make sense! Had that been maybe Kaycee or Laurel getting pushed back to third... I would have ate that right up. 😂 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550473
Lamima Thursday at 07:04 PM Share Thursday at 07:04 PM Read interview with Michele and she made some good points. One was that the first couple people who got eliminated were able to score her on karma without getting to really kniw her and see how she played. Another was it would have been better to know they were essentially having a jury vote (like Survivor) but the contestants were all unaware of that so they didn't do jury management. Typical Challenge is all about making big alliances to keep out of the sand. So it was pretty unfair. She also said she will make note of who all gave her 0 or 1 scores and will go after them in future shows. She specifically seemed bent about Kaycee. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550487
aghst Thursday at 07:27 PM Share Thursday at 07:27 PM 18 minutes ago, Lamima said: Read interview with Michele and she made some good points. One was that the first couple people who got eliminated were able to score her on karma without getting to really kniw her and see how she played. Another was it would have been better to know they were essentially having a jury vote (like Survivor) but the contestants were all unaware of that so they didn't do jury management. Typical Challenge is all about making big alliances to keep out of the sand. So it was pretty unfair. She also said she will make note of who all gave her 0 or 1 scores and will go after them in future shows. She specifically seemed bent about Kaycee. I kind of felt sympathy for Michelle when she realized that Karma cost her at least second to third place money and got emotional about it. She poured her heart into it, though she had an advantage in that there was so much distance swimming involved. But these comments just show how entitled she is. Instead of moving on, she's plotting not only to come back but get vengeance for the low Karma votes. I don't know how long she's been trying for reality shows. She made money on Survivor apparently and then got multiple seasons on the Challenge, which should at least give her some nominal appearance fees, maybe SAG scale rates for each episode she was on. So she appears to be another lifer and is trending toward the same odious path as Bananas and other toxic lifers on these shows. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550509
ImpinAintEasy Thursday at 08:37 PM Share Thursday at 08:37 PM I will never not laugh whenever they show the clip of Jordan mocking Turbo's strut and Turbo getting bent over it. "You cannot copy my walk!!!" I felt Jordan was headed for an obvious win around mid season when he had a talking head about getting a 5th win and what it would mean to him. He didn't involve himself in any drama and wasn't featured heavily, so for them to include that line from him it seemed a given. At this point, for the men to not do everything possible to eliminate him prior to a final is just stupidity. I realize the women protected him because of any possibility of partnership in said final, but still. It should be pointed out that all 4 women, including Tori, would have beat every man but Jordan. So there is some perspective on Tori and Rachel's performances. Jenny won. Everyone knows it. Karma be damned. 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550565
joanne3482 Thursday at 10:32 PM Share Thursday at 10:32 PM 3 hours ago, Lamima said: Read interview with Michele and she made some good points. One was that the first couple people who got eliminated were able to score her on karma without getting to really kniw her and see how she played. But the same could be said about Jenny, Kyland, Derek (I have no recollection of Derek, others on the show may have a better memory of him), and possibly most of era 4. I wanted to like Michele in the beginning of her being on the Challenge, but she's become odious and her alliance with Jay on whichever season that was (or maybe across a couple seasons), just brought out the worst in both of them. So I'm fine with her knock down to 3rd. I also am not a huge fan of Jenny, for honestly no real reason, so I was also fine with her not getting solo first. The only female competitor I really liked was Tori. Much of that goodwill could be residual because she was the host of the Challenge podcast for a long time which I listen to. This final did cement, for now, my like of Kyland. He seems generally to be a good person. I appreciate that about him. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550626
Lantern7 Friday at 07:14 AM Share Friday at 07:14 AM Did anyone catch the montage at the end, with the victory scenes from each season? I hope someone posts it because I could barely keep up. One sweet part: for the original Battle of the Seasons, you just see Coral and Mike. Good times. Looking at the point tallies for the women again. I tend to forget a lot of the political stuff. What did Jenny do to get low votes? Or was it a case where the other three women happened to be viewed better by departing contestants? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550943
AntFTW Friday at 07:37 AM Author Share Friday at 07:37 AM 20 minutes ago, Lantern7 said: What did Jenny do to get low votes? Not be in the Vacation Alliance. That’s just the first fuckup. 21 minutes ago, Lantern7 said: Or was it a case where the other three women happened to be viewed better by departing contestants? Pretty much. A combined circumstance of them not viewing Jenny very favorably and also viewing the other women more favorably. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8550947
RedbirdNelly Friday at 07:33 PM Share Friday at 07:33 PM On 1/9/2025 at 12:28 PM, AntFTW said: When they said the karma points would give an advantage, I thought that meant they get advantage somewhere in the running of the final, for example, something like a 5 minute head start or maybe they did get a shortcut during the running or something like that. that's along the lines of what I was thinking My other dislike on the karma thing is it doesn't really represent "played like a jerk"--people were free to apply the points however they wanted, which included "you are not in my alliance" and "you picked me as a target even though I was the only realistic choice." So to give that much weight to it was annoying to me. That being said--I'm not a Michelle fan so that part didn't bother me and I don't care that they were not able to play to the jury. That's a dumb complaint. In most cases, people drew negative scores based on "you targeted me." Someone had to be targeted and someone had to lose so there is no way to jury manage that. Kyland came across so nice in the final--helping Michele even though in the previous Challenge she was part of the anti-Kyland alliance with Jay and was in no way a friend to him. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8551278
aghst Friday at 08:07 PM Share Friday at 08:07 PM The bad thing about the Karma is that it's likely to be a one-time thing. Probably will never hear about it again or if they do, it will be years from now. Just like they didn't continue with the one Final winner taking the whole prize money from his partner again. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8551293
bunnyface Friday at 08:14 PM Share Friday at 08:14 PM I think I need some remedial help with the karma points. We started with 40 players, so 32 should have given points to the remaining 8. Even if a player got all 1s from someone, that would be 32 points. But only a total of 20 were shown for the women. Did they all get zeros from *everyone*? That doesn't add up to me. 30 people gave Jenny 0s, so she only got 2 points? It doesn't make sense. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8551301
leocadia Friday at 08:23 PM Share Friday at 08:23 PM The Karma points themselves were not part of the final totals. The person with the highest # of karma points got the equivalent of 2 checkpoints wins (8) and the person with the least got the equivalent of 2 check point 4th place finishes (2). 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8551307
AntFTW Friday at 08:26 PM Author Share Friday at 08:26 PM 2 minutes ago, leocadia said: The Karma points themselves were not part of the final totals. The person with the highest # of karma points got the equivalent of 2 checkpoints wins (8) and the person with the least got the equivalent of 2 check point 4th place finishes (2). Yes, that’s how Rachel explained it. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8551312
bunnyface Friday at 08:46 PM Share Friday at 08:46 PM Thanks. Like I said, remedial help. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151327-s40e19-the-end-of-an-era-part-2/#findComment-8551323
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