chitowngirl Wednesday at 07:24 PM Share Wednesday at 07:24 PM Elsbeth is thrown into the world of procedural TV after a prolific producer is brutally murdered in his office. Airdate December 19, 2024 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/
AnimeMania Friday at 12:02 AM Share Friday at 12:02 AM Michael Emerson as Judge Crawford Laurie Metcalf as Regina Coburn Dominic Fumusa as Jack Wilson Marc Webster as Pete Next New Episode: January 30, 2024 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8537085
possibilities Friday at 04:07 AM Share Friday at 04:07 AM Judge Crawford is played like he's the Devil. It's way over the top. Nobody acts that creepy IRL. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8537212
AnimeMania Friday at 04:51 AM Share Friday at 04:51 AM Sullivan Jones as Dr. Cameron Clayden, Kaya's potential roommate Elsbeth's crime board index cards came pre-pin holed for easy attachment. There were at least 7 cartons of Chinese takeout for the 2 ladies, that seems like overkill. 2 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8537232
ItCouldBeWorse Friday at 05:08 AM Share Friday at 05:08 AM 17 minutes ago, AnimeMania said: There were at least 7 cartons of Chinese takeout for the 2 ladies, that seems like overkill. I thought so too! 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8537237
EtheltoTillie Friday at 08:56 AM Share Friday at 08:56 AM (edited) This was such a good takedown of the Law and Order world, particularly SVU. Over on the SVU board Marissa Hargitay takes so much abuse, as she and her character are considered egomaniacs who have dragged the show down. They call her character Olivia. Something wrong here. My edit isn’t working. It’s supposed to say Olivia. Oh no the system is deleting a word. Possibly a forbidden word? But that makes no sense as that term is used on the SVU board. Edited Friday at 08:57 AM by EtheltoTillie 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8537291
shapeshifter Friday at 01:24 PM Share Friday at 01:24 PM 1 hour ago, AnimeMania said: Sullivan Jones as Dr. Cameron Clayden, Kaya's potential roommate I recognized Sullivan Jones (the new ME who wants to be Kaya's roommate) as the first lead detective in the recently released Hulu series Interior Chinatown. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8537343
Daff Friday at 01:32 PM Share Friday at 01:32 PM 9 hours ago, possibilities said: Judge Crawford is played like he's the Devil. It's way over the top. Nobody acts that creepy IRL. ME is very proficient at projecting an evil persona. He’s also expert at masking one behind benevolence as well. 4 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said: This was such a good takedown of the Law and Order world, particularly SVU. Over on the SVU board Marissa Hargitay takes so much abuse, as she and her character are considered egomaniacs who have dragged the show down. They call her character Olivia. Something wrong here. My edit isn’t working. It’s supposed to say Olivia. Oh no the system is deleting a word. Possibly a forbidden word? But that makes no sense as that term is used on the SVU board. This site doesn’t like iPad keyboard functions. I have a hard time even reading a thread as it reloads due to error every 30 seconds or so. Near to impossible to complete a post, and most recently, I have been getting dumped off with message-site crashed. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8537346
shapeshifter Friday at 02:02 PM Share Friday at 02:02 PM (edited) 5 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said: This was such a good takedown of the Law and Order world, particularly SVU. Over on the SVU board Marissa Hargitay takes so much abuse, as she and her character are considered egomaniacs who have dragged the show down. They call her character Olivia. Something wrong here. My edit isn’t working. It’s supposed to say Olivia. Oh no the system is deleting a word. Possibly a forbidden word? But that makes no sense as that term is used on the SVU board. Testing…testing…1, 2, 3, testing… Olivia @EtheltoTillie, messaging you with my findings.😉 10 hours ago, possibilities said: Judge Crawford is played like he's the Devil. It's way over the top. Nobody acts that creepy IRL. 1 hour ago, Daff said: ME is very proficient at projecting an evil persona. He’s also expert at masking one behind benevolence as well. I didn’t think Michael Emerson seemed to chew the scenery drapery any more than the usual dramedy villain, but then I haven’t watched him in anything since Lost, so I don’t have any visceral reactions to his character, except, yeah, we do see [almost see?] a nerdy-looking Judge beat someone to death with a baseball bat — which creates a lot of cognitive dissonance for the viewer. Typically on these Columbo-esque shows, a nerdy Judge killer would just use a gun. But here it makes sense, because of who he framed, his experience as a Judge with how evidence is evaluated, etc. But, yeah, the plot writing does take advantage of ME’s unassuming physicality to create a creepy contrast with his character's ruthlessness. And I guess, @Daff, ME has been typecast in recent roles? I'm not watching predominantly creepy or violent stuff in general, so maybe that's why I haven't seen his recent work? Edited Friday at 02:45 PM by shapeshifter grammar 3 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8537358
EtheltoTillie Friday at 04:12 PM Share Friday at 04:12 PM Hey I am confusing ME medical examiner with ME Michael Emerson LOL. Had not heard of Interior Chinatown. Looks good. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8537446
MerBearHou Friday at 04:41 PM Share Friday at 04:41 PM I missed the first 5 minutes of the episode so I kept thinking "where is Michael Emerson" as they've so touted in the previews. From reading the above, I can imagine what I missed. He was excellent all those years on Person of Interest so I look forward to seeing more of him as this plays out. Carrie and he must have had fun being on the show / set together. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8537465
possibilities Friday at 04:44 PM Share Friday at 04:44 PM The board glitches constantly even on a windows laptop using chrome. It's not about the ipad. I don't know what the problem is. I don't think I'm finding the judge character super-creepy because of his method of murdering-- I've seen gorey stuff before. Hell, we saw it in this episode with the heel to the eye-- that murderer was terrible, but didn't seem creepy like the judge-- immoral, vicious, obnoxious, but not creepy. Whereas, I found the judge creepy even in his interaction with the Captain at the soiree. 7 take out containers: two rice, two main dishes, 2 appetizers, one dessert. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8537467
AnimeMania Friday at 05:00 PM Share Friday at 05:00 PM 16 minutes ago, MerBearHou said: I missed the first 5 minutes of the episode so I kept thinking "where is Michael Emerson" as they've so touted in the previews. From reading the above, I can imagine what I missed. He was excellent all those years on Person of Interest so I look forward to seeing more of him as this plays out. Carrie and he must have had fun being on the show / set together. Michael Emerson was nearer the end during the scene at the fancy fundraiser (see photo upthread). Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8537479
MerBearHou Friday at 05:18 PM Share Friday at 05:18 PM 16 minutes ago, AnimeMania said: Michael Emerson was nearer the end during the scene at the fancy fundraiser (see photo upthread). I did see that later scene and I thought "is that it?" So now knowing I missed him in the opening makes sense. Thank you! @AnimeMania Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8537494
J-Man Friday at 11:13 PM Share Friday at 11:13 PM 9 hours ago, shapeshifter said: recognized Sullivan Jones (the new ME who wants to be Kaya's roommate) as the first lead detective in the recently released Hulu series Interior Chinatown. I recognized him as T. Thomas Fortune, the newspaper publisher on The Gilded Age. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8537715
Irlandesa Saturday at 04:07 AM Share Saturday at 04:07 AM 10 hours ago, MerBearHou said: I did see that later scene and I thought "is that it?" So now knowing I missed him in the opening makes sense. Thank you! @AnimeMania You didn't miss him in the opening. The opening was the filming of the fake Father Crime procedural. Michael Emerson's only scene was at the party later in the episode. The other stuff being talked about were his scenes from last week. I did pick on Law & Order vibes from the procedural, especially since they made the co-star a priest and Stabler is catholic. But it had some nice jabs at fandom in general. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8538128
SoMuchTV Saturday at 04:21 AM Share Saturday at 04:21 AM (edited) 15 hours ago, Daff said: ME is very proficient at projecting an evil persona. He’s also expert at masking one behind benevolence as well. 11 hours ago, MerBearHou said: He was excellent all those years on Person of Interest so I look forward to seeing more of him as this plays out. Carrie and he must have had fun being on the show / set together. He was also a creepy, smarmy character in another Kings show, Evil. (Highly recommend, btw) I hope someone will explain the Olivia thing. I don’t follow that show, but the only name I can see for her is “saint.Olivia” which I really can’t see how that would be censored. oh wow- now that I’ve posted, I see the word “saint” (before “Olivia”) has been removed from the post. What the heck is going on here? Edited Saturday at 04:36 AM by SoMuchTV Editing to try to figure out what’s wrong with the post 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8538138
MerBearHou Saturday at 04:33 AM Share Saturday at 04:33 AM Ok, I feel like an idiot. I realized tonight that I had missed an entire episode last week. I was out of town last week and totally whiffed on there being a new episode last Thursday. Now you can see why my questions were so off. I’m now caught up — lots of Michael Emerson last week — and now I can piece together the threads. Thank you all for your patience with my head-scratching posts! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8538147
babyrambo Saturday at 05:46 AM Share Saturday at 05:46 AM (edited) 1 hour ago, SoMuchTV said: I hope someone will explain the Olivia thing. I don’t follow that show, but the only name I can see for her is “saint.Olivia” which I really can’t see how that would be censored. I only started reading that board a year or two ago, but from what I can gather, it seems that some of the audience thinks that the show has become too much about Olivia Benson (many comments say she’s written as too perfect, inserted in plots and scenes where her presence is unnecessary, and find the fact that she tends to be the one that solves the cases unrealistic? That’s where the nickname comes from I think?) and that there’s a direct correlation between her screen-time and the show’s decline in writing/quality. But as someone who started watching the show in s15 and worked backwards to the early years, I think that while it was initially banked as a ensemble show, there’s was always an emphasis on Olivia Benson; one that got more pronounced after Stabler left, sure, but imo those two always felt like co-leads, so the shift to focusing a little more on her after his departure made sense. And maybe I’m biased (I’m always going to root for a complex female lead putting baddies away) but I never minded it. I do agree that the show has become a bit stale and melodramatic, but after 26 years, 20+ episodes, and countless spin-offs, that’s inevitable. Plus most shows that go on for multiple seasons ideally end up focusing more on the leads as they tend to be the mainstays/longest running cast members. Although, sometimes they and the rest of the cast turn into caricatures of their pasts selves, and I think sometimes happens with SVU. And while I get that she isn’t everyone’s favourite, the vitriol towards her definitely surprised me at first, and I can only guess at why (age, gender, rank of her character?) Benson doing this annoys people so much. These are just my thoughts as an infrequent poster/reader of that board though, maybe someone else can better explain. Anyway, to keep this on topic, I thought some of the meta bits for this week’s Elsbeth were fun—the shipping stuff definitely rang true, some people can get super intense about their tv couples—but I enjoyed last week’s episode a lot more. Edited Saturday at 06:02 AM by babyrambo 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8538178
SoMuchTV Saturday at 10:26 PM Share Saturday at 10:26 PM 16 hours ago, babyrambo said: I only started reading that board a year or two ago, but from what I can gather, it seems that some of the audience thinks that the show has become too much about Olivia Benson (many comments say she’s written as too perfect, inserted in plots and scenes where her presence is unnecessary, and find the fact that she tends to be the one that solves the cases unrealistic? That’s where the nickname comes from I think?) and that there’s a direct correlation between her screen-time and the show’s decline in writing/quality. But as someone who started watching the show in s15 and worked backwards to the early years, I think that while it was initially banked as a ensemble show, there’s was always an emphasis on Olivia Benson; one that got more pronounced after Stabler left, sure, but imo those two always felt like co-leads, so the shift to focusing a little more on her after his departure made sense. And maybe I’m biased (I’m always going to root for a complex female lead putting baddies away) but I never minded it. I do agree that the show has become a bit stale and melodramatic, but after 26 years, 20+ episodes, and countless spin-offs, that’s inevitable. Plus most shows that go on for multiple seasons ideally end up focusing more on the leads as they tend to be the mainstays/longest running cast members. Although, sometimes they and the rest of the cast turn into caricatures of their pasts selves, and I think sometimes happens with SVU. And while I get that she isn’t everyone’s favourite, the vitriol towards her definitely surprised me at first, and I can only guess at why (age, gender, rank of her character?) Benson doing this annoys people so much. These are just my thoughts as an infrequent poster/reader of that board though, maybe someone else can better explain. Anyway, to keep this on topic, I thought some of the meta bits for this week’s Elsbeth were fun—the shipping stuff definitely rang true, some people can get super intense about their tv couples—but I enjoyed last week’s episode a lot more. Thanks, I figured it was something like that. I was actually more mystified about the word getting filtered out. Seemed to be filtered only in that one context. But you're right, we're getting sidetracked. Maybe I'll play around in the "test" forum. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8538275
Milburn Stone 12 hours ago Share 12 hours ago On 12/20/2024 at 2:56 AM, EtheltoTillie said: This was such a good takedown of the Law and Order world, particularly SVU. Even as someone who's only watched ten minutes of any L&O in his whole life, I knew this was the target and loved it. The show runner of "Father Crime"--is he physically similar to Dick Wolf? Is Dick Wolf a yeller? As for Laurie Metcalf--when is she not great? The more over-the-top she is, the more there is to love. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8538590
Zaffy 9 hours ago Share 9 hours ago (edited) I think Emerson is a bit too much as the main villain of the season, mostly because I had also watched "Evil" (from the same creators as Elsbeth's -highly recommended) where he was also the main and very evil villain and I honestly think I see his "Evil" character every time he is on screen. It is like he crossed over from one show to another. I would much prefer he played a good guy and not Elsbeth's possible nemesis. Still, I liked her and Captain going together after the judge! Case of the week was quite amusing, especially since we all connected it to SVU and the victim to Dick Wolf. The creators of the show has a past of mocking TV trends. I remember in the "Good Wife" a show within the show "inspired" by the "True Detective". It was hilarious! Edited 9 hours ago by Zaffy 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8538706
Irlandesa 5 hours ago Share 5 hours ago (edited) 7 hours ago, Milburn Stone said: The show runner of "Father Crime"--is he physically similar to Dick Wolf? Is Dick Wolf a yeller? If you see older white-haired white man as phyiscally similar then maybe? I don't think Dick Wolf has much to do with the day-to-day of his shows because he has so many of them. And other than being stingy when it comes to paying his talent, I am unaware of a volatile reputation. I'm wondering if the priest and cop ship is a subtle nod at the King's own show, Evil. I believe one of the popular couples shipped on that show involved a priest. Edited 5 hours ago by Irlandesa 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8538800
SomeTameGazelle 3 hours ago Share 3 hours ago At the start of the episode I was briefly confused, wondering whether it was a repeat from last season before I realised that it was a show within the show. I was trying to figure out whether some of the bits with the priest cop were intended as jabs at Jim Caviezel on Person of Interest. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151141-s02e08-toil-and-trouble/#findComment-8539058
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