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Monday, Nov. 11 – A Day of Hot Topics

Tuesday, Nov. 12 – Kristin Chenoweth (actor, “Our Little Secret”)

Wednesday, Nov. 13 – “The View” celebrates Whoopi’s birthday with Whoopi’s Favorite Things; James Monroe Iglehart (actor, Broadway’s “A Wonderful World: The Louis Armstrong Musical”)

Thursday, Nov. 14 – Cynthia Erivo (actor, “Wicked”); a performance from the cast of “Annie”

Friday, Nov. 15 – Billy Bob Thornton (actor, “Landman”)

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Haleth

Haleth

Bingo. Ana just voiced exactly what I’ve been saying for the past week. You think things are expensive now?  Wait until there are no migrant workers on farms, factories, and construction sites. (Add in the tariff and we’re all screwed.). I laughed at her response to friends afraid of losing their nannies.

Whoopi shows her ignorance every time she starts babbling about taxes. 

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bluegirl147

bluegirl147

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12 minutes ago, Haleth said:

I laughed at her response to friends afraid of losing their nannies.

Child care and also care in general will be affected.  It's not just nannies for rich people day care centers have immigrants working there.  Not to mention home health care for seniors.  That is going to affect a lot of people. What happens when people can't go to work because they have their kids or an elderly family member to take care of?  Unlike what JD Vance thinks not all grandparents are able to step up and take on caring for family members.

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KittyQ

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Whoopi, voters don't vote on questions. They vote on issues, and in this case, the issue was that there were high numbers of undocumented immigrants entering the country while other immigrants are waiting for the proper channels. It seems clear that part of the reason that people voted for Trump was exactly to "fix" this problem. Whatever that plan is, is what the administration is going to do, so that is the answer to the question.

Ana and Sunny seem perfectly ok with people they know hiring undocumented workers, when as lawyers you'd think they would advise their friends to only hire legal workers. know

Sunny keeps repeating that undocumented immigrants don't commit crimes more than legal people, but she's ignoring the point - there's no way to know or at least have a good idea that any given person is not a criminal if they enter without undergoing any kind of investigation. That many people are law abiding is just luck, because we have no idea what kind of people they are if no one has even talked to them before they enter the country.  

How are undocumented workers paying taxes and Social Security? They wouldn't have Tax ID numbers, would they? Those are government issued and used to file the required forms. Are they using stolen or fake numbers? 

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bluegirl147

bluegirl147

48 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Ana and Sunny seem perfectly ok with people they know hiring undocumented workers, when as lawyers you'd think they would advise their friends to only hire legal workers

I'm sure Trump has hired undocumented workers over the years so clearly he would have been OK with it. Until he decided to use the issue as a political rallying cry.

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Shrek

Shrek

1 hour ago, KittyQ said:

 

How are undocumented workers paying taxes and Social Security? They wouldn't have Tax ID numbers, would they? Those are government issued and used to file the required forms. Are they using stolen or fake numbers? 

They use stolen SS#s to pay into it but they're not worried about it like you or I might be as long as they're working, they might also use fake IDs but they can get IDs in a lot of places anyway, illegal or not. I don't think the IRS cares if you're paying them, just if you're not giving them their wedge.

Sue in her 60s

Sue in her 60s

1 hour ago, KittyQ said:

...in this case, the issue was that there were high numbers of undocumented immigrants entering the country while other immigrants are waiting for the proper channels. It seems clear that part of the reason that people voted for Trump was exactly to "fix" this problem.

How are undocumented workers paying taxes and Social Security? They wouldn't have Tax ID numbers, would they? Those are government issued and used to file the required forms. Are they using stolen or fake numbers? 

You ask good questions, and I hope someone can explain how this underground economy works. These undocumented workers do a job for their employer, who pays them. We as consumers pay that employer for whatever service or product the worker provides. When they are deported, who is going to do that work? How many small businesses will go under because they can't provide services with so few "legitimate" workers left?

But I don't recall Trump ever talking about fixing a problem of immigrants having to wait for proper channels. All I ever heard about were all the criminals and insane asylum residents that were coming in illegally. It was never about fixing the problem, it was about making voters fearful.

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KittyQ

KittyQ

2 hours ago, Shrek said:

They use stolen SS#s to pay into it but they're not worried about it like you or I might be as long as they're working, they might also use fake IDs but they can get IDs in a lot of places anyway, illegal or not. I don't think the IRS cares if you're paying them, just if you're not giving them their wedge.

It makes sense that using a stolen SS# wouldn't be a problem for the person who is using it, and I can see that the IRS wouldn't much care where the taxes are coming from, at least at first, but there has to be a point where the legitimate SS# owner files their return and the numbers are off based on their actual income, wouldn't that cause problems? Also, if the person with the stolen number uses it to set up other services, what happens if the original person also needs those services and finds out that someone has already used it? I think that what seems like a "victimless" crime can have some serious consequences for the "victims". 

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Haleth

Haleth

And that’s assuming only undocumented migrants are rounded up. Legal immigrants and American citizens are likely to be expelled as well, so not only small businesses will be affected. Think about how many people are here on visas to work in agriculture?  Remember what happened during the pandemic when shelves were bare?  Yeah, prices of everything skyrocketed. 

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KittyQ

KittyQ

1 hour ago, Sue in her 60s said:

But I don't recall Trump ever talking about fixing a problem of immigrants having to wait for proper channels. All I ever heard about were all the criminals and insane asylum residents that were coming in illegally. It was never about fixing the problem, it was about making voters fearful.

I don't know if Trump ever addressed that problem, but it seems to me that fixing the border / immigration issues will require someone to review the whole thing and correct the problems while improving the process - that's what any sensible person would do, IMO. I suspect, for one thing, that if the legal process didn't take so long, people wouldn't become frustrated enough to "jump the line". Unfortunately, some of those people are probably not upstanding people and just take advantage of any opportunity to get into the country without anyone scrutinizing them. 

Mollywolly555

Mollywolly555

Not to mention the time it takes to check/double-check IDs, plus training and $ for personnel to do so. Spanish speakers (and other languages) needed for sure also, ironically and definitely. 

Will the new administration ensure due diligence for this process? Ha!

Remember  that during the 1800s even free Black people with documentation were captured in the North and sent down South, papers be damned.

It will be chaos.  

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Shrek

Shrek

1 hour ago, KittyQ said:

It makes sense that using a stolen SS# wouldn't be a problem for the person who is using it, and I can see that the IRS wouldn't much care where the taxes are coming from, at least at first, but there has to be a point where the legitimate SS# owner files their return and the numbers are off based on their actual income, wouldn't that cause problems? Also, if the person with the stolen number uses it to set up other services, what happens if the original person also needs those services and finds out that someone has already used it? I think that what seems like a "victimless" crime can have some serious consequences for the "victims". 

I don't think I suggested it was victimless, you asked a question & I answered with what I know having known a couple of the people who use such things. These people are not the master criminals the trumpers think they are but they are 100% the people who will suffer in any crackdown as the actual masterminds & ringleaders are almost always American citizens anyway, just mostly not the white citizens trump & his followers prefer.

 

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bluegirl147

bluegirl147

Funny how there is never any mention of the employers who hire undocumented workers and what should happen to them.  I'm not talking about the couple who hire someone to watch their kids.   I'm talking about actual businesses who hire workers that they can pay under the table thereby skirting taxes.  I think they should be held to account.

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KittyQ

KittyQ

2 hours ago, Shrek said:

I don't think I suggested it was victimless, you asked a question & I answered with what I know having known a couple of the people who use such things. These people are not the master criminals the trumpers think they are but they are 100% the people who will suffer in any crackdown as the actual masterminds & ringleaders are almost always American citizens anyway, just mostly not the white citizens trump & his followers prefer.

 

Apologies - I didn't mean to suggest that you said it was victimless; I think that some people might conclude that because the tax money gets to the IRS no matter what. 

Maybe not master criminals, for sure, but still law breakers. As with most illegal schemes, most of the people who suffer the consequences will be the "little fish" not the ringleaders, whoever they are. 

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sugarbaker design

sugarbaker design

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12 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

Funny how there is never any mention of the employers who hire undocumented workers and what should happen to them.  I'm not talking about the couple who hire someone to watch their kids.   

But why not talk about these couples that hire undocumented aliens? There's a reason why they do this. They promise them a decent rate and time off and wind up paying them minimum wage to watch their brats and keep their house with little time off while skirting taxes. They know exactly what they're doing.

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bluegirl147

bluegirl147

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1 hour ago, sugarbaker design said:

But why not talk about these couples that hire undocumented aliens? There's a reason why they do this. They promise them a decent rate and time off and wind up paying them minimum wage to watch their brats and keep their house with little time off while skirting taxes. They know exactly what they're doing.

I'm not saying they aren't wrong but the bigger problem is meat processing plants and construction companies that hire far more undocumented workers.  It's those employers that undercut unions and cause a lot of the anger some people have for immigrants.  In my local area whenever there is a big construction job people start saying they are hiring undocumented immigrants.  I have no idea if it's true or not but that is what people think.  

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Gemma Violet

Gemma Violet

8 minutes ago, ladydove said:

I read it somewhere (I'm sorry I don't remenber) that she was friends with Melania and spilled some of her secrets. I thought someone here would know more.

Are you maybe thinking of Stephanie Winston Wolkoff, Melania's former senior advisor?  She wrote a book about Melania and spilled quite a few secrets.

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Shrek

Shrek

Sunny has annoyed me for a while but since the election she has become unbearable. She keeps trying to talk over Sarah whenever she is trying to say anything as if Sunny's point of view is more important than Sarahs. She also needs to stop & think because she just cannot accept who the country voted for & is both in denial & angry at the same time and doesn't even try to hide the fact, ever. 

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Sue in her 60s

Sue in her 60s

22 minutes ago, Shrek said:

...[Sunny] also needs to stop & think because she just cannot accept who the country voted for & is both in denial & angry at the same time and doesn't even try to hide the fact, ever. 

Of course Trump won, so in a sense the country voted for him, but it's helpful to remember that 49.7 of the voters (so far) did not vote for him. (Jill Stein and RFK Jr each got 1/2 a point.)

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After7Only

After7Only

On 11/11/2024 at 12:23 PM, KittyQ said:

Whoopi, voters don't vote on questions. They vote on issues, and in this case, the issue was that there were high numbers of undocumented immigrants entering the country while other immigrants are waiting for the proper channels.

Seeking asylum in the US is a "proper channel" and is legal.   

On 11/11/2024 at 12:23 PM, KittyQ said:

How are undocumented workers paying taxes and Social Security? They wouldn't have Tax ID numbers, would they? Those are government issued and used to file the required forms. Are they using stolen or fake numbers

Some of those seeking asylum have received work permits/visas.   They have an identification number by which they pay social security taxes.   

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Haleth

Haleth

14 minutes ago, After7Only said:

Some of those seeking asylum have received work permits/visas.   They have an identification number by which they pay social security taxes.   

So it’s like a pseudo SS# whereby workers pay into the social security system but receive no benefits?  Do these workers have to file a nonresident tax return?  They don’t get their SS contributions returned?

After7Only

After7Only

1 minute ago, Haleth said:

So it’s like a pseudo SS# whereby workers pay into the social security system but receive no benefits?  Do these workers have to file a nonresident tax return?  They don’t get their SS contributions returned?

Don't quote me 🙂.   But I believe if they have a legal work permit and work 10 years they could draw SS.   They would not get their SS contributions returned via tax return.   It just goes in general SS trust fund.   

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lookeyloo

lookeyloo

22 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

Funny how there is never any mention of the employers who hire undocumented workers and what should happen to them.  I'm not talking about the couple who hire someone to watch their kids.   I'm talking about actual businesses who hire workers that they can pay under the table thereby skirting taxes.  I think they should be held to account.

For sure.  I asked the ChatGPT and this is the answer.  I am thinking people skirt by these requirements or there aren't enough people to enforce, or there are strong lobbies to officials to keep their people because of cheap labor or no one else to work.  It will be a nightmare all around.  Folks who think prices are coming down will be sadly disappointed when there are no workers and supply goes down.

https://chatgpt.com

 

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debbie311

debbie311

Of all the panel, I feel that Ana is the one I agree with the most - her sit back and watch it burn down attitude.  I think that Sunny is having a really hard time accepting the situation, like a lot of people are.  I sometimes wonder if she is harboring some guilt feelings because they must have played her asking Kamala "would you do anything different than Biden" at least a million times. Alyssa didn't take long to jump back into full Republican mode.  Sara tends to look at the world through her rose-colored glasses, but as she said she has young children and has to hold herself together. Maybe she is falling apart on the inside.

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TheGreenKnight

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Monday was a breath of fresh air without Alyssa. Missed Joy today like the studio audience apparently, but at least Ana was there to keep the show from being off-balance. Agreed with Sunny, Ana, and Whoopi during the Thanksgiving discussion.

Loved seeing Chenoweth, I didn't know she had a movie coming out. Is it releasing in theaters? It looked a bit like a Lifetime movie.

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Shrek

Shrek

2 hours ago, Haleth said:

So it’s like a pseudo SS# whereby workers pay into the social security system but receive no benefits?  Do these workers have to file a nonresident tax return?  They don’t get their SS contributions returned?

We're talking about 2 different things at the same time & the conversation seems to have got a little confusing. If they have a work permit then they can work & will usually get a SS# not much later.

KittyQ was asking specifically about undocumented people working & how they get SS#s to which I was answering as I've had direct contact with both legal & illegal aliens (I hate that word) as I am a legal alien myself even though I have been here for 20 years.

After7only was, I believe, answering the question from the standpoint of someone seeking asylum which would make them legal & nothing to do with the original question.

It's all very complicated but Trump & his cohorts have made it so that all immigrants are bad people & coming to steal your jobs which is what people have latched onto, even though very few of them would do the jobs immigrants both legal & illegal actually end up doing.

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Sue in her 60s

Sue in her 60s

4 hours ago, Haleth said:

So it’s like a pseudo SS# whereby workers pay into the social security system but receive no benefits?  Do these workers have to file a nonresident tax return?  They don’t get their SS contributions returned?

The undocumented workers do not collect anything in return for social security payments taken from their paychecks. Sometimes when they're granted a path to citizenship, they even have to pay back taxes they avoided. I really don't know how this all works. I'd like to learn more. But I do know the prices of produce and housing construction will rise when these workers are deported. Americans pay much less for their food than in other countries, largely because the undocumented workers are paid so much less for their labor.

4 hours ago, debbie311 said:

Of all the panel, I feel that Ana is the one I agree with the most - her sit back and watch it burn down attitude.  I think that Sunny is having a really hard time accepting the situation, like a lot of people are.  I sometimes wonder if she is harboring some guilt feelings because they must have played her asking Kamala "would you do anything different than Biden" at least a million times. Alyssa didn't take long to jump back into full Republican mode.  Sara tends to look at the world through her rose-colored glasses, but as she said she has young children and has to hold herself together. Maybe she is falling apart on the inside.

Nice summary of the table.

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atomic

atomic

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16 hours ago, debbie311 said:

Alyssa didn't take long to jump back into full Republican mode.

Not just full Republican mode but so far right that's she's praising someone with such hardline immigration views like Tom Homan. The same man who is a contributor to Project 2025 and one of the architects behind Trump's family separation policy. Ana made sure to set the record straight real quick that she was not endorsing him!

15 hours ago, TheGreenKnight said:

Loved seeing Chenoweth, I didn't know she had a movie coming out. Is it releasing in theaters? It looked a bit like a Lifetime movie.

Netflix, as per the info that Glitches provided up top :)

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JAYJAY1979

JAYJAY1979

19 hours ago, debbie311 said:

Of all the panel, I feel that Ana is the one I agree with the most - her sit back and watch it burn down attitude.  I think that Sunny is having a really hard time accepting the situation, like a lot of people are.  I sometimes wonder if she is harboring some guilt feelings because they must have played her asking Kamala "would you do anything different than Biden" at least a million times. Alyssa didn't take long to jump back into full Republican mode.  Sara tends to look at the world through her rose-colored glasses, but as she said she has young children and has to hold herself together. Maybe she is falling apart on the inside.

I don't like sunny...but her asking the question isn't what lost Kamala the election.  It was Kamala's answer that sealed it.  It told voters she liked his policies, or she was the one to get him to do those policies.

And I like Ana's approach....it's what I did four years ago when Biden and Harris won.  I wanted to see how they would do...and they didn't horribly...but it.was not the return to moderate politics as people hoped.

And it's funny some people voted for both AOC and Trump.  While they don't agree on anything, they're more alike personality wise then either admit.  So when people told her that was one of the reasons...I laughed.

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