Chit-Chat: The Feels

[bluegirl147]

12 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I've given up hope that he will ever see the inside of a prison but I will settle for his party finally wising up and turning on him. 

But what would finally be the final straw?  Does he have to literally shoot someone on Fifth Ave?  Would it be in the Epstein files?  That he did in fact rape an underage girl?  His base would just say fake news.  And if there was video they would say it was a deep fake. 

As long as I live I will never understand how that pathetic little man has went through life getting away with everything. If I wasn't an atheist I would believe he did in fact make a deal with the devil.

[PRgal]

This isn't quite politics, but business.  I am SOOOOOOO HAPPY that Canadian Tire now owns the rights to Hudson's Bay IP.  That $30M Canadian is QUITE A BARGAIN.  Kind of like being able to get a house in Toronto for well under $1M.  I guess it's political since The Bay's stripes is part of our collective culture.  Now for the real estate....  

 

[Dimity]

3 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

But what would finally be the final straw?  Does he have to literally shoot someone on Fifth Ave?

Maybe pull a real Emperor Has No Clothes and parade through Washington in his birthday suit?  No, no, not that!  God not that!

I would suspect the only thing that will finally get him benched would be when he actually does try to invade Greenland or wants to push 'the button' because he gets mad at some other random country.  Or starts rounding up members of his own party who dare to disagree with him - that might, I stress might, finally get through to them that they are dealing with a Hitler wannabe.

[Affogato]

9 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

But what would finally be the final straw?  Does he have to literally shoot someone on Fifth Ave?  Would it be in the Epstein files?  That he did in fact rape an underage girl?  His base would just say fake news.  And if there was video they would say it was a deep fake. 

As long as I live I will never understand how that pathetic little man has went through life getting away with everything. If I wasn't an atheist I would believe he did in fact make a deal with the devil.

Shit himself and throw it at the crowd at a rally?

[BetyBee]

7 hours ago, tearknee said:

Meghan and the Don are both jerks though. As with Thatcher, they go out of their way to make their enemies (even family) look good or at least the lesser of two evils.

Ha ha! When I read this post, I thought I was accidentally in an old Mad Men thread!

[Dimity]

1 minute ago, Affogato said:

Shit himself and throw it at the crowd at a rally?

Given the way the Maga have reacted to everything else Trump has done (wearing adult diapers outside their clothes, wearing bandages on their ears) I can see this being just another thing they'd copy.  Ugh.

[PRgal]

5 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Maybe pull a real Emperor Has No Clothes and parade through Washington in his birthday suit?  No, no, not that!  God not that!

I would suspect the only thing that will finally get him benched would be when he actually does try to invade Greenland or wants to push 'the button' because he gets mad at some other random country.  Or starts rounding up members of his own party who dare to disagree with him - that might, I stress might, finally get through to them that they are dealing with a Hitler wannabe.

Not going to happen.  Everyone's too effing scared.  

[shapeshifter]

18 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

But what would finally be the final straw?  Does he have to literally shoot someone on Fifth Ave?

11 minutes ago, Dimity said:

…starts rounding up members of his own party who dare to disagree with him…

and deporting them to the El Salvador prison?
I guess it would depend upon which Republican. 
The Salem Witch Trials ended when the Governor's wife was accused.

 

 

[Ohiopirate02]

5 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

and deporting them to the El Salvador prison?
I guess it would depend upon which Republican. 
The Salem Witch Trials ended when the Governor's wife was accused.

 

 

I fear we may need the only unimpeachable American to anger Herr Trump--Dolly Parton.

[Affogato]

13 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

and deporting them to the El Salvador prison?
I guess it would depend upon which Republican. 
The Salem Witch Trials ended when the Governor's wife was accused.

 

 

Are there any respected republican’s left outside his orbit?

[Affogato]

Honestly, considering his obvious lack of sharp thinking, I expect him to do something really terrible in public. Of course he will by that time not be allowed out alone, and I think this UAE visit may be the last time he is let out without a keeper. Thing is Melania doesn’t want to, clearly, and vance either. 

[shapeshifter]

17 minutes ago, Affogato said:

Are there any respected republican’s left outside his orbit?

The terrible, odious Josh Hawley seems to think he can rebrand himself:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-republican-party-tensions-united-states-senator-josh-hawley/

[bluegirl147]

33 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

The terrible, odious Josh Hawley seems to think he can rebrand himself:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-republican-party-tensions-united-states-senator-josh-hawley/

I've heard some people say Boobie wasn't that bad because he had good ideas about the housing crisis.  And now I hear Josh Hawley isn't that bad because of some of his "moderate" ideas.  And the same with Liz Cheney.  I'm sorry but when you are a Republican and you agree with even a little bit of what Republicans are doing the little bit of good you might be in favor of isn't enough. 

[peacheslatour]

11 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

The closest comparison I can think of is Casey Stengel. He was known for talking about one topic, veering into another without warning, then unexpectedly go back to the first topic. The big difference is that he was a success as a baseball manager. Trump as President? Not so much. And yeah, I wouldn't be opposed ot him running on the White House lawn, getting chased by guys wielding giant butterfly nets.

Trump can't physically run, I am cracking up picturing him waddling across the lawn while the guys with nets try to lure him with Big Macs and Diet Cokes, barely containing their laughter.

[Eri]

On 5/12/2025 at 7:38 PM, ChiCricket said:

By Issie Lapowsky
May 12, 2025

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has a lot of curious ideas about how to Make America Healthy Again. Time to add taking illicit swims in bacteria-infested creeks to the list.

On Sunday, the Department of Health and Human Services secretary posted shirtless photos of himself swimming in Washington D.C.’s Rock Creek with his grandkids for Mother’s Day. It’s a cute enough scene, except, of course for the fact that swimming is banned in Rock Creek because, according to the National Park Service, “Rock Creek has high levels of bacteria and other infectious pathogens that make swimming, wading, and other contact with the water a hazard to human (and pet) health.”

Oh, that.

But Rock Creek’s water quality issues are hardly a secret. One 2021 report found “high E. coli values, indicating sewage pollution,” likely resulting from “antiquated sewers that have long since passed their useful life.” 

Of course, if there were absolutely anyone who seemed like they might take the risk of knowingly swimming in sewer water, it’d be hard to come up with a more likely candidate than Kennedy. This is a man who swears by raw milk, who has questioned whether germs cause disease, and who (deep breath for this one) has speculated that he may have been exposed to the parasitic worm that ate part of his brain when he stuck his hand in the bloody mouth of a dead bear before driving with the carcass to Manhattan and abandoning it in Central Park (exhale).

What, you thought a little poop water would stop this guy from enjoying Mother's Day?

 
 

My lord, he's a literal human incarnation of Shrek!

Edited Friday at 04:37 PM by Eri

[Dimity]

Quote

“Consumers overall have the money, they’re just losing the will to spend it,” Navy Federal Credit Union economist Robert Frick said in a statement. “Nerves over tariffs and even the jobs market have Americans generally saving more and spending less, but consumption is still increasing, however slightly.”

I came across this quote in an article I was reading about Walmart raising its prices because of tariffs and I have to say - what??

So essentially, if I am reading this right, if there is a downturn in the economy because of tariffs it will be the fault of consumers choosing not to spend their money?  Not consumers unable to afford to buy at tariffed prices?

Trump is never going to be held accountable for a faltering economy, a recession or, worst case scenario, a depression.  It will be the fault of consumers 'choosing' not to spend their money.

Edited Friday at 04:39 PM by Dimity

[Anela]

Yesterday, I saw tom homan admitting that most undocumented immigrants aren’t committing crimes. Yet he’s kidnapping and trafficking them, anyway.

Then I saw that Kristi noem wants migrants to earn citizenship through a fucking reality show.  

[Yeah No]

22 hours ago, Dimity said:

 

I'm behind again on this thread, and haven't read beyond this post, but I saw this and had to respond. I'm going to be honest myself here - no offense to anyone intended. Until we stop acting like "Until you care about me I don't GAF about you" we're going to be forever divided and at each others' throats. While it's OK to stand against oppression of any kind we should be preaching Equality and Justice for All, and figuring out how to make that a reality, not stuff like this. We should care about men's issues as much as women's otherwise we're never going to see any progress for either. We should be focusing on us as a whole and the general beliefs we hold as Americans, not getting stuck in our victimization and differences. I am a woman and while I understand and sympathize with some of the emotions here I don't think this is constructive.

[Dimity]

3 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

We should care about men's issues as much as women's otherwise we're never going to see any progress for either.

Until women have complete autonomy over what happens to their own body I will never agree that men's issues are anywhere near as important to me as women's issues are.  It's just that simple.

[Affogato]

https://apple.news/AyAnMmPZ6T_SqULSxy98xJQ

After Bruce Springsteen calls Trump "treasonous," the president responds by criticizing the rock star's skin

[ProudMary]

A Senate vote is coming up on the Genius Act, which would deregulate crypto. Those of us who are in red states know the drill on calling (not emailing, calling) our senators. Well, there are several Democratic senators on the fence for this. Look, I don't fully understand all the ins and outs of crypto, but the billionaires do and the Trump family is on board the crypto train. While everyone is paying attention to the jet gifted by Qatar, the money is flowing inio Trump's pockets from many nations and many ultra rich individuals through the $TRUMP memecoin. (Crypto)

If you are in any of these blue states, please pick up the phone this afternoon and call your waffling Democratic senator and tell them to vote "No" on the Genius act.

If you don’t know their phone number. here's the link to the Senate directory. Just enter your state and it gives you all the contact info for both of your senators.

https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm?Class=1

Here's the BlueSky link for the screenshot I'm posting here from Indivisible regarding which Democrats need the push from their constituents. 

https://bsky.app/profile/indivisible.org/post/3lp7o2up2k22z

[Yeah No]

11 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Until women have complete autonomy over what happens to their own body I will never agree that men's issues are anywhere near as important to me as women's issues are.  It's just that simple.

My point is that we're never going to see that complete autonomy if we don't do something to address the way men are being raised and influenced not to believe in that complete autonomy. And we have to care about their issues if that's ever going to be addressed and changed. Just saying one doesn't care and walking away is not a solution. That's my only point.

[Kemper]

I saw a newspaper headline yesterday ... leading story, top of the fold. That what has happened, financially, since Trump took office is an attempt to stop  "out-of-control Consumer Spending". And many will accept that as fact. Wish I could remember what paper it was. 

My brother went to Pennsylvania last week and sent me some pictures of a Maga Fan and his bus. Every inch of the thing was covered with Trump decals. Every inch except what is mandated to be able to see out of. I have never seen anything like it. The man was also decked out in Trump/Maga from head to toe. Hat, t-shirt, even his high-tops and socks were red white and blue. He was holding his sign and smiling, ear-to-ear.

And this is what I truly cannot grasp. It is almost a sickness. 

Oh...my Kenny Bobbity? I stole/remember that nickname for RFK Sr - who was running for President.  A comedian (can't remember his name) perfected an imitation of him (accent, tics, etc.) and was on all "the shows" - Johnny Carson, Ed Sullivan, etc. 

Edited Friday at 05:21 PM by Kemper

[Affogato]

21 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

I'm behind again on this thread, and haven't read beyond this post, but I saw this and had to respond. I'm going to be honest myself here - no offense to anyone intended. Until we stop acting like "Until you care about me I don't GAF about you" we're going to be forever divided and at each others' throats. While it's OK to stand against oppression of any kind we should be preaching Equality and Justice for All, and figuring out how to make that a reality, not stuff like this. We should care about men's issues as much as women's otherwise we're never going to see any progress for either. We should be focusing on us as a whole and the general beliefs we hold as Americans, not getting stuck in our victimization and differences. I am a woman and while I understand and sympathize with some of the emotions here I don't think this is constructive.

One thing, though,  is that men are people and women are women. That is to say that everything that is done to further the well being of people is done for men. If it is good for women, that is okay but it is not necessary. There are simple tweaks that could save the lives of women in childbirth that are not properly researched or implemented, and yet our incelish population are in pain because they aren’t afforded the privileges of Elon Musk. Let’s worry about those guys first. When we say ‘lets take care of everyone’ we mean men and they will not be shy about accepting any benefits. 
 

so women, POC, children need to squeak loud enough to be annoying. We can stand in solidarity with some men, but we need to keep on being visible. 

Edited Friday at 05:22 PM by Affogato

[Dimity]

Just now, Yeah No said:

My point is that we're never going to see that complete autonomy if we don't do something to address the way men are being raised and influenced not to believe in that complete autonomy. And we have to care about their issues if that's ever going to be addressed and changed. Just saying one doesn't care and walking away is not a solution. That's my only point.

No one is actually doing that.  No one.  This is just another "what about the menz" thing that has probably been around since at least the time of the suffragette movement.  Women actually care very deeply about how men are being raised and influenced - at least in part because here we go again blaming women for the misbehaviors of men. 

[peacheslatour]

3 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

My point is that we're never going to see that complete autonomy if we don't do something to address the way men are being raised and influenced not to believe in that complete autonomy. And we have to care about their issues if that's ever going to be addressed and changed. Just saying one doesn't care and walking away is not a solution. That's my only point.

Why is it always on women to care about men's problems and influences? When women saw the inequalities present in the system, they fought long and hard to gain equality. Men need to help other men the way we helped each other.

[shapeshifter]

13 minutes ago, Anela said:

Then I saw that Kristi noem wants migrants to earn citizenship through a fucking reality show.  

This story originated with The Daily Mail, which Media Bias Fact Check lists as a "questionable source" and publisher of conspiracy theories. 
But it does seem like someone did pitch such a show. I don't see a mention of her being officially involved?
She did shoot her puppy for behaving like a puppy, stating she has no regrets. Now she's moved on to permanently imprisoning people for having tattoos, a record of a misdemeanor, and being bilingual. 
I am disgusted that this makes her a potential cash cow for a reality show that mirrors the Hunger Games, but I am not surprised talk of such a possibility is generating SM clicks.

[Dimity]

4 minutes ago, Affogato said:

One thing, though,  is that men are people and women are women. That is to say that everything that is done to further the well being of people is done for men. If it is good for women, that is okay but it is not necessary. There are simple tweaks that could save the lives of women in childbirth that are not properly researched or implemented, and yet our incelish population are in pain because they aren’t afforded the privileges of Elon Musk. Let’s worry about those guys first. When we say ‘lets take care of everyone’ we mean men and they will not be shy about accepting any benefits. 
 

Well said!  This is exactly what I mean.

[Yeah No]

33 minutes ago, Dimity said:

No one is actually doing that.  No one.  This is just another "what about the menz" thing that has probably been around since at least the time of the suffragette movement.  Women actually care very deeply about how men are being raised and influenced - at least in part because here we go again blaming women for the misbehaviors of men. 

The sentiment of that post you shared was that the person wasn't going to care about men's issues until "society" cared about how the "patriarchy" is negatively affecting women, and until then they're not going to care about how it affects men. That is not a solution. That is digging one's heels in and expecting "society" to solve the problem.

Newsflash to whoever wrote that: They're part of society too. Change begins with each of us. If women care that much about how men are being raised and influenced they need to stop shutting down and expecting "society" to change that for them. I'm just saying that we all have a personal responsibility in effecting change. I'm not placing blame on anyone in particular for this situation. 

ETA: When I was young we had sayings that went, "Be the change you want to see in the world". We didn't just sit back and post with all our complaints on SM about society as if we're not going to care about something or someone until someone else corrects what's being done wrong to US. I'm just saying, I see a lot of this today from people. This is not how we used to think.

Edited Friday at 05:55 PM by Yeah No

[Cementhead]

1 hour ago, Dimity said:

So essentially, if I am reading this right, if there is a downturn in the economy because of tariffs it will be the fault of consumers choosing not to spend their money?  Not consumers unable to afford to buy at tariffed prices?

This is one part of politics that has me so worn out & tired -- that everything always ends up being our fault.  I felt that very specifically during the last couple of years that Trudeau was in office.  One of the most memorable highlights was when Freeland told us to just drop our Disney subscription or skip our morning Tim Horton's run if we were having so much trouble buying groceries.  🤬

[bluegirl147]

39 minutes ago, Affogato said:

One thing, though,  is that men are people and women are women. That is to say that everything that is done to further the well being of people is done for men. If it is good for women, that is okay but it is not necessary.

And things regarded as "women's issues" aren't given priority.  Child care.  Paid family leave.  I was an adult before I found out women having heart attacks have different symptoms than men.  The world is set up for men. From the way things are built to the way society treats men and women differently.  Wanting women to be treated fairly and equally is not the same thing as wanting men to be treated worse.

[Dimity]

5 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Wanting women to be treated fairly and equally is not the same thing as wanting men to be treated worse.

What is interesting to me with regard to those who actually believe this is what would happen is, that whether they admit it out loud or not,  what they are saying is that up to now women have been treated worse than men and they are fine with that.

Edited Friday at 06:10 PM by Dimity

[Lantern7]

4 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I fear we may need the only unimpeachable American to anger Herr Trump--Dolly Parton.

I don’t think so. Shitting on her got Unown Hinson (I probably botched the spelling) fired from Squidbillies, but nothing is sacred to MAGA save for their glowing orange messiah.

2 hours ago, Affogato said:

https://apple.news/AyAnMmPZ6T_SqULSxy98xJQ

After Bruce Springsteen calls Trump "treasonous," the president responds by criticizing the rock star's skin

The galling part is Republicans (if not Trump himself) use his music at their rallies all of the fucking time. If Bruce reunites the E Street Band for the purpose of smacking the stupid out of Trump, he would be within his rights.

Edited Friday at 07:28 PM by Lantern7

[mostlylurking]

21 hours ago, BetyBee said:

I truly believe life was better when we didn't really know the politics of our friends and relatives!

This 100%. There is a reason we go into a private booth to vote.  Absolutely everything does not need to be made public.  There is no privacy anymore, and if you happen to be a private person (as I am) you are thought to be fake or that your life is perfect since you don’t complain about it 24/7.

I left FB for many years.  Reluctantly I had to rejoin as I am the head of a community group and like it or not FB is the best place for organizing events, sharing ideas, etc.  So I keep active on that particular page and that’s about it.  I post little to nothing on my actual page and never get into debates.  It’s just not worth my mental sanity.

[Cementhead]

9 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

This 100%. There is a reason we go into a private booth to vote.  Absolutely everything does not need to be made public.  There is no privacy anymore, and if you happen to be a private person (as I am) you are thought to be fake or that your life is perfect since you don’t complain about it 24/7.

Source: An op-ed from The New York Times that I cannot link due to paywall.

Edited Friday at 06:37 PM by Cementhead

[Mollywolly555]

58 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

That is digging one's heels in and expecting "society" to solve the problem.

 I'm not placing blame on anyone in particular for this situation. 

Sounds like you're blaming "society" and women for the problems you see men having these days; specific details on these 'problems' wd help me understand better, though.

And you want women to step up and help men????

In regards to expecting/waiting for "society" do it?  Women have petitioned, marched, persevered, and died for the purpose of enacting change for females and children cuz no one else was going to do it. They are still doing so. 

I have a son. He is white and educated, and has a fiercely feminist mother and an  intelligent, kind father. He's going to be just fine. 

The rest of the world's women, children, and people of color (males included), I'm not so sure about, so I support them, too. 

 

 

 

Edited Friday at 06:42 PM by Mollywolly555

[Ohiopirate02]

20 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

The galling part is Republicans (if not Trump himself) use his music at their rallies all of the fucking time. Ig Bruce reunites the E Street Band for the purpose of smacking the stupid out of Trump, he would be within his rights.

Bruce is currently touring with the 2025 edition of the E Street Band. If he could somehow reunite the original E Street lineup, he would be unstoppable. (RIP Clarence and Danny).

[peacheslatour]

12 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

This 100%. There is a reason we go into a private booth to vote.  Absolutely everything does not need to be made public.  There is no privacy anymore, and if you happen to be a private person (as I am) you are thought to be fake or that your life is perfect since you don’t complain about it 24/7.

I left FB for many years.  Reluctantly I had to rejoin as I am the head of a community group and like it or not FB is the best place for organizing events, sharing ideas, etc.  So I keep active on that particular page and that’s about it.  I post little to nothing on my actual page and never get into debates.  It’s just not worth my mental sanity.

I would love not to have to hear about other people's politics and I never bring the subject up but you know who does? MAGAs. I hear from them in the shops, the doctor's office and on their ridiculous trucks, covered in gigantic Trump flags and stickers of all descriptions. Before the pandemic, I used to volunteer for my city. I was in the multi media dept. and we were doing a feature on a man who had a large outdoor model railroading set up. I barely got out of my car before he launched into a diatribe about "tree hugging, bleeding heart liberals" who were ruining this country. As we were walking into his backyard to look at his trains, we passed a window and you could see his huge screen TV, blasting, you guessed it FOX News. I would more than happy not to know but they won't shut up about it

[Ohiopirate02]

44 minutes ago, Dimity said:

What is interesting to me with regard to those who actually believe this is what would happen is, that whether they admit it out loud or not,  what they are saying is that up to now women have been treated worse than men and they are fine with that.

And the advances feminism has made for women also benefit men. If certain men think otherwise, it is because they would rather live in a world where women stayed at home barefoot and pregnant and where concepts like marital rape do not exist.

[Dimity]

19 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I would love not to have to hear about other people's politics and I never bring the subject up but you know who does? MAGAs. I hear from them in the shops, the doctor's office and on their ridiculous trucks, covered in gigantic Trump flags and stickers of all descriptions.

It used to be the "Have you been saved" people who were like this but since the pandemic it's been the extreme Conservatives here who are doing this. It wasn't Liberals or NDP who occupied our capital city for weeks with their big ass trucks making life miserable for everyone.  Right now it's not Liberals or NDP who are in Alberta sucking up to Trump and threatening to secede (and good luck with that Danielle "Maga Maple" Smith).  Talk radio here has been monopolized by the extreme right for years and it's not anyone left of centre who march in front of hospitals, and actually even block ambulances, waving their placards about abortion.

But sure it's a both sides issue. Sigh.

Edited Friday at 07:08 PM by Dimity

[peacheslatour]

Just now, Ohiopirate02 said:

And the advances feminism has made for women also benefit men. If certain men think otherwise, it is because they would rather live in a world where women stayed at home barefoot and pregnant and where concepts like marital rape do not exist.

Aren't two careers spouse the norm now? I don't think men would be very happy to go back to being the sole breadwinners.

[Ohiopirate02]

2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Aren't two careers spouse the norm now? I don't think men would be very happy to go back to being the sole breadwinners.

Between work and my family, I know a lot of single-income families. None of the men appear to be upset about being the sole breadwinner. For some it's a point of pride that their wife does not have to work. Others may be in that situation because childcare would cost more than what the wife could earn. And still some where the college-educated wife stopped working when she had kids because why work if you don't need the money. This last category is my sister and her mom friends.

[Dimity]

13 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Aren't two careers spouse the norm now? I don't think men would be very happy to go back to being the sole breadwinners.

I think it very much depends on where you live.  I am located near a major city and we have several young friends (well young to us - in their late 20s and early 30s) who can't afford to rent - forget buying - unless they share with other couples.

[PRgal]

For parental leave, even if there’s paid (like in Canada), many men do not take advantage of it.  And that’s something we need to look into as well.  I wonder if it would help if there’s designated leave for a partner if the first parent has one.  And prioritizing mental health, especially men’s mental health since they’re less likely to seek help.

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/mind-matters-from-menninger/202406/6-reasons-men-dont-get-mental-health-care-when-they-need-it/amp
 

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2023/08/stigma-mental-health-care-men/

[Dimity]

I'm seeing a lot of "come to my beautiful State" adverts right now.  Florida is kind of a given but I'm seeing ones for New Jersey, Virginia and Illinois which are new to me.  I am going to assume it's because they're noticing a drop in tourism and in business travel that turns into mini vacations.  It will be interesting to see if these adverts convince reluctant Canadians to travel down south this summer.

I don't think they should count on it.

[Affogato]

25 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Aren't two careers spouse the norm now? I don't think men would be very happy to go back to being the sole breadwinners.

It would be a reason to pay them more. Seriously, there are still struggles a out men sharing the home workload when both apouses work. 
 

 

[lookeyloo]

2 hours ago, Affogato said:

https://apple.news/AyAnMmPZ6T_SqULSxy98xJQ

After Bruce Springsteen calls Trump "treasonous," the president responds by criticizing the rock star's skin

There is  just  teeny threat in there too

[lookeyloo]

3 minutes ago, jessiebell said:

Wanna take bets on Bruce Springfield getting rough treatment on his return to the US?  WIll he be allowed back in?

I will bet on yes.  There is that threat at the end of the "statement".  

[fastiller]

2 hours ago, Affogato said:

One thing, though,  is that men are people and women are women. That is to say that everything that is done to further the well being of people is done for men. If it is good for women, that is okay but it is not necessary. There are simple tweaks that could save the lives of women in childbirth that are not properly researched or implemented, and yet our incelish population are in pain because they aren’t afforded the privileges of Elon Musk. Let’s worry about those guys first. When we say ‘lets take care of everyone’ we mean men and they will not be shy about accepting any benefits. 
 

so women, POC, children need to squeak loud enough to be annoying. We can stand in solidarity with some men, but we need to keep on being visible. 

🔥🔥🔥

Indeed!  And I'll broaden that first sentence (looking at that second bolded part), if I may: "white men are people...."

[Yeah No]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Why is it always on women to care about men's problems and influences? When women saw the inequalities present in the system, they fought long and hard to gain equality. Men need to help other men the way we helped each other.

I don't like that either but it is what it is. I am fully aware of who is to blame for what, I just don't think it's realistic for us as women to dig our heels in and expect men to change themselves. It hasn't happened in how many thousands of years, even with a suffragette movement so why should we expect that without our influence and insistence it's going to change now? Believe me, I wish it could be different but I'm being realistic about this. 

2 hours ago, Dimity said:

No one is actually doing that.  No one.  This is just another "what about the menz" thing that has probably been around since at least the time of the suffragette movement.  Women actually care very deeply about how men are being raised and influenced - at least in part because here we go again blaming women for the misbehaviors of men. 

Who is blaming women in general for the misbehaviors of men? I'm certainly not, although in specific cases it may actually be true. How about all those right-wing conservative Christian women out there who are breeding misogynists due to their misguided beliefs? I hear talk among the Mormon fundies about "the patriarchy". And the women support it. And how about all those trad. wives? Women are not only on the receiving end of this. There are many women who perpetrate it. We are not those women, but I won't deny that they exist.