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Annber03
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For as long as I live, I will never understand the hold this guy has over people. 

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And yet the same people who are awed by his celebrity are also the ones talkng about how celebritees need to stay out of politics. You'll pardon me if I can't take their critiques all that seriously. 

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Everything I want to say would be a string of curse words at this point.  Hope you're happy, people who decided to be all precious with your votes or who felt this guy deserved another chance aft

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tearknee

tearknee

1 hour ago, Notabug said:

Word has it that Ivanka and Jared were invited after Ivanka said some kind words about McCain after his death.  The family made it fairly clear that it was Donald Trump who had no business attending.  Of course, after her father's disrespectful behavior, it probably would've been better for Ivanka to stay home to avoid casting a spotlight on herself and her family, but she loves the limelight just like Daddy.

Traditionally, the funerals of first ladies are attended by all the living first ladies and not by the former presidents, so DT wouldn't have been invited to Barbara Bush's.  Nancy Reagan died during Obama's presidency and the conservatives had a fit claiming that the President should've gone as she was such an important historical figure and it was disrespectful to Queen Nancy that only Michelle attended. Eventually, multiple reporters went through the archives and demonstrated that, traditionally, it is only former first ladies who attend the funerals of other former first ladies, that the former presidents do not.  So, fake news.

I always think Fancy Nancy should have felt the other side of the needle.

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tearknee

tearknee

18 hours ago, tearknee said:

Also, it *shouldn't* be different for cis-het boys and guys to check out cis-het girls and women and find aspects of their body sexually or romantically appealing than if the genders are reversed. Sadly, while a cis-het boy or guy may be happy, even flattered, by such from a girl or woman, a girl or woman has to worry about what is likely to happen next :'(

"pinkandsparkly13"? I was not joking there.

Lantern7

Lantern7

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3 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

If I remember correctly it was Lindsey Graham who invited Jarvanka. As if he had the right to do that.

That doesn’t sound right. He wouldn’t have the energy after clutching all those pearls.

In other news, Laura Loomer is having a rocky start with BlueSky.

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peacheslatour

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6 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

That doesn’t sound right. He wouldn’t have the energy after clutching all those pearls.

In other news, Laura Loomer is having a rocky start with BlueSky.

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Funny how quickly she went from Trump's new squeeze to persona non grata. Bluesky is like the opposite of Xitter and Truthy. They don't want those types there.

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27bored

27bored

On 11/9/2024 at 1:11 PM, peacheslatour said:

She didn't win a single Primary state. In the very crowded 2020 Democratic Primary, most Democrats put all their eggs in Joe's basket and left them there while he did minimal campaigning and put forth minimal effort to get it. 

Joe did minimal campaigning because there was a planet wide outbreak of a disease that was killing people by the hundreds of thousands all over the world. I hope you weren't attributed it to any laziness or lack of will on his part. I do agree she wasn't my first choice. I would have preferred Warren, Buttigieg or Raskin. I do however think she would have been a good president. We desperately need new blood in the party.

I wanted to respond to this (again) in light of the recent story that came out where Biden's staffers said as early as Spring 2021 Biden would have "good days" and "bad days" where he would sometimes have to cancel meetings or engagements. Mind you (the general "you"), this was only a few months after he got elected.

I know we were in the middle of a pandemic, but it's clear Joe was already in mental decline in 2020. The media gamely covered for him for years up until his abysmal debate performance, and not only did he want to stay in the race, he says he thinks he would've won.

I mean, Trump's win is starting to look more and more like karma. The media has archived every fib, exaggeration, non-factual, and bit of puffery about Trump for a decade. But when it was time for them to keep it real about Biden, large swaths of the media seemed to take apply the code of omerta. 

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Ohiopirate02

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1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

Funny how quickly she went from Trump's new squeeze to persona non grata. Bluesky is like the opposite of Xitter and Truthy. They don't want those types there.

And if that screenshot is from her Twitter account, she may end up getting banned from there for mentioning BlueSky. That is one of the no-go words on Elon's platform. Ot at least it was before last month.

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Blergh

Blergh

Remember President Carter was born in a tiny town in rural Georgia in 1924 during Calvin Coolidge's Presidency yet he beat so many ODDS- including being fairminded  in a time and place when this wasn't encouraged- and putting his physical energies to help those in need well into his 90's!

Would anyone in 1924 have thought all he achieved would have been possible back then?

 But  it WAS despite incredible odds!

I guess the point I'm making is that if he hold him as an example to aspire to, we can be inspired to do our individual bests to beat so many odds regardless of how bleak things may seem at this  time!

 

 

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annzeepark914

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1 hour ago, tearknee said:

 On Election Night in 1980, Carter conceded defeat while the polls were still open on the West Coast and their House and Senate races were still being contested. When House Speaker, Tip O'Neill, learned of this, he screamed at Carter aide Jody Powell: "You guys came in like pricks and you’re going out like pricks.”

I do recall talking to someone on the phone, and told her that I needed to see how the election was going (this was around 8-8:30). She said, "Oh, Reagan won!" She was quite happy. I was stunned. Carter's WH staffers did arrive in DC with an attitude. 

 

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Spartan Girl

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13 hours ago, 27bored said:

The media has archived every fib, exaggeration, non-factual, and bit of puffery about Trump for a decade. But when it was time for them to keep it real about Biden, large swaths of the media seemed to take apply the code of omerta. 

That’s not what I saw this year. They made a big deal out of every little gaffe Biden made, while just shrugging off and sane-washing Trump’s verbal diarrhea as “Trump being Trump.” 

And I no longer trust any stories with unnamed staffers/people as sources.

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Kemper

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I think the press and the 24/7 news stations bear some of the reponsibility for where we are now.  Trump lost in 2020 but they never let him go away. Every word he uttered, every insult, every rally, every movement...was the lead-off story on most every news website, every big "news" channel and many newspapers. Just as much if not more so than when he was President. More than Biden and the Dems. He was never the Former President - he was still #1  on the media hit parade; it became a sort of drug to everyone, us included.

 

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bluegirl147

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1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

That’s not what I saw this year. They made a big deal out of every little gaffe Biden made, while just shrugging off and sane-washing Trump’s verbal diarrhea as “Trump being Trump.” 

Yep this is what I saw.  Even with their debate. Yes Biden had at terrible night but Trump also had his slip ups.  But Trump has always been given the benefit of the doubt.  I always hear what a great campaigner Trump is.  That what he does is great optics.  Yeah because  he is a con artist and liar.  His whole life is an illusion.  But Biden and most other Dems are criticized and picked apart.  I remember when the ACA passed and Biden was caught on a hot mic saying this is a big fucking deal.  And then the pearl clutching started.  And then there was Hillary's laugh and then Kamala's laugh. 

42 minutes ago, Kemper said:

I think the press and the 24/7 news stations bear some of the reponsibility for where we are now. 

The downfall started with Fox News of course. And if you go a little further back with Limbaugh.  The opinion guys (and it's usually guys) started being treated like they were delivering news and not just their outrage over everything.  But things really took a turn with MSM started trying to compete with online outlets.  There was always ratings or lack thereof to contend with but now it was about clicks and likes and retweets and now the news wasn't driven by news. It was driven by who or whatever would get eyeballs tuned in.

 I think I told this story before. I stopped watching the Today show when they started doing the who got voted off AI the night before as one of their lead news stories.  If I wanted entertainment news there were plenty places for that.

49 minutes ago, Kemper said:

Trump lost in 2020 but they never let him go away. Every word he uttered, every insult, every rally, every movement...was the lead-off story on most every news website, every big "news" channel and many newspapers. Just as much if not more so than when he was President. More than Biden and the Dems.

This is true. There were days I would be on Huff Po and not one story about Biden but multiple stories about Trump. Even when Obama was president there weren't a lot of stories. 

I'm old enough to remember just three networks. With just three nightly newscasts.  For me it was Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw and Peter Jennings. Every night at 630 they came on.  A lot of times you didn't know something happened till one of them told us.  The only time I remember watching CNN was when something really bad happened. Like the first Gulf War.  But I also remember watching big stories on one of the networks. Baby Jessica in the well I remember watching on CBS. They had people there on site.  I kinda miss the days of not having so many news sources.

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Dimity

Dimity

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1 hour ago, Kemper said:

I think the press and the 24/7 news stations bear some of the reponsibility for where we are now.  Trump lost in 2020 but they never let him go away.

This is true but one big difference with Trump as opposed to other failed presidential candidates is that he retained an enormous influence over the Republican party.  No decisions were made without someone going to Florida to kiss Trump's ring and get his approval.  I honestly don't remember this happening with any other former president - especially one who lost the White House and managed to lose the House and the Senate during his term. 

2 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

That’s not what I saw this year. They made a big deal out of every little gaffe Biden made, while just shrugging off and sane-washing Trump’s verbal diarrhea as “Trump being Trump.” 

Agreed.  Biden blew it in that infamous debate and that was all anyone could talk about.  The only places I heard about Trump's behavior at that same debate or at his rallies (swaying for long periods of time, rambling on and on about Hannibal Lecter and so on and on and on) were on late night talk shows.  That's hardly an example of Trump being unfairly treated by the mainstream media!

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lookeyloo

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1 hour ago, Kemper said:

I think the press and the 24/7 news stations bear some of the reponsibility for where we are now.  Trump lost in 2020 but they never let him go away. Every word he uttered, every insult, every rally, every movement...was the lead-off story on most every news website, every big "news" channel and many newspapers. Just as much if not more so than when he was President. More than Biden and the Dems. He was never the Former President - he was still #1  on the media hit parade; it became a sort of drug to everyone, us included.

 

Agree. All those shows became handwringing.  All the pundits were wrong about everything.  Ratings, etc.  I gave it all up this time around.

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GHScorpiosRule

GHScorpiosRule

54 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I'm old enough to remember just three networks. With just three nightly newscasts.  For me it was Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw and Peter Jennings. Every night at 630 they came on. 

For me it was Walter Cronkite. After he retired, it was Peter, Dan, and Tom.

I still can't with the mindnumbingly ignorance of some people. One of my friends, specifically. He's been here for 30 years, and fortunately for him, at his level, he's never going to suffer or lose anything. That he thinks Kamala is "not too bright" so of course she lost made me lose my shit and I told him so. We've been friends long enough that we at least, can have civil discourse. That's a rarity. But at least I got him to rethink. We do agree on this one thing and it's something I've discussed with colleagues at work: for all its chest thumping about how this country is the bestest evah, other third world developing countries have them beat in that they had leaders who were women and were strong leaders: Indira Gandhi comes to mind. And we refused to elect not one, but two very qualified candidates who happened to be women. Of course Gandhi was arrogant and I personally think, naive, to keep those Sikh bodyguards after her order to storm the Golden Temple that led to her assassination. But there is no doubt she was a good and effective leader. 

And now I'll go back to my retro television watching. I've still not watched a single piece of "news" or read anything, and I'm content to be the ostrich with her head in the sand.

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bluegirl147

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12 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I've still not watched a single piece of "news" or read anything, and I'm content to be the ostrich with her head in the sand.

One of my best friends is doing that and sadly we talk less now.  We used to talk so much about politics and news in general. When something happens I hesitate to text her now because I don't know if it's something she will want to talk about.

So as I have said before this thread has been a lifeline for me.

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Absolom

Absolom

2 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

One of my best friends is doing that and sadly we talk less now.  We used to talk so much about politics and news in general. When something happens I hesitate to text her now because I don't know if it's something she will want to talk about.

I am your friend.  I have friends who only want to talk politics, politics, and more politics.  I can't take it and the constant reminders of what 30% of the country believes and acts upon.  However, I'm more than happy to discuss every other subject even religion.  I'm sure that there are things that aren't as bothersome that can be discussed.  We talk about mutual friends' accomplishments, trips, children, grandchildren, the community, her new church, her old church, gardens, shopping, etc.  She's being kind to me to realize I need to not be thinking of the orange toddler regularly.  There are a couple of subjects she doesn't want to talk about so I avoid those. I skim this thread usually once a day and that's plenty for me to pick out posts of interest. I actually read from zero to three a day most days.

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peacheslatour

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32 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

For me it was Walter Cronkite. After he retired, it was Peter, Dan, and Tom.

I still can't with the mindnumbingly ignorance of some people. One of my friends, specifically. He's been here for 30 years, and fortunately for him, at his level, he's never going to suffer or lose anything. That he thinks Kamala is "not too bright" so of course she lost made me lose my shit and I told him so. We've been friends long enough that we at least, can have civil discourse. That's a rarity. But at least I got him to rethink. We do agree on this one thing and it's something I've discussed with colleagues at work: for all its chest thumping about how this country is the bestest evah, other third world developing countries have them beat in that they had leaders who were women and were strong leaders: Indira Gandhi comes to mind. And we refused to elect not one, but two very qualified candidates who happened to be women. Of course Gandhi was arrogant and I personally think, naive, to keep those Sikh bodyguards after her order to storm the Golden Temple that led to her assassination. But there is no doubt she was a good and effective leader. 

And now I'll go back to my retro television watching. I've still not watched a single piece of "news" or read anything, and I'm content to be the ostrich with her head in the sand.

Same here. I've started watching ER, The Waltons, old movies on TCM, anything to not be reminded of the real world right now. I'm so grateful for this thread and you people because sometimes it just gets to be too much, you know?

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Dimity

Dimity

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26 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

So as I have said before this thread has been a lifeline for me.

Same.  I am fortunate in that I am surrounded by people who have the same opinion of Trump as I do but somehow talking out loud about what has happened, and speculating about what is likely to come, is something I can't do.  Here I feel comfortable reading what others are saying and adding my own 2 cents.  In my real life I'd rather talk about almost anything else!

6 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Same here. I've started watching ER, The Waltons, old movies on TCM, anything to not be reminded of the real world right now. I'm so grateful for this thread and you people because sometimes it just gets to be too much, you know?

I have been doing a deep dive into light "women's" fiction mainly from mid 20th century England.  I find it very soothing.  On TV I am  watching sitcoms and avoiding the news and even the late night shows like Colbert.  I check the news daily ( hoping for one very particular headline, which hasn't come yet, sadly) but otherwise I am stay safely in the fictional world where good triumphs and evil is vanquished.

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peacheslatour

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12 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Same.  I am fortunate in that I am surrounded by people who have the same opinion of Trump as I do but somehow talking out loud about what has happened, and speculating about what is likely to come, is something I can't do.  Here I feel comfortable reading what others are saying and adding my own 2 cents.  In my real life I'd rather talk about almost anything else!

I have been doing a deep dive into light "women's" fiction mainly from mid 20th century England.  I find it very soothing.  On TV I am  watching sitcoms and avoiding the news and even the late night shows like Colbert.  I check the news daily ( hoping for one very particular headline, which hasn't come yet, sadly) but otherwise I am stay safely in the fictional world where good triumphs and evil is vanquished.

A woman once asked Oscar Wilde if he was writing a new play, He said, as matter of fact he was. She asked what it was about and he said he didn't want to spoil it for her but all the good people were rewarded and all the bad people were punished and he added "That is why it is called fiction."

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tearknee

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1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Indira Gandhi comes to mind. And we refused to elect not one, but two very qualified candidates who happened to be women. Of course Gandhi was arrogant and I personally think, naive, to keep those Sikh bodyguards after her order to storm the Golden Temple that led to her assassination. But there is no doubt she was a good and effective leader. 

Indira and the Emergency = you might want to read up on that before you go all Helen Reddy about her (forced sterilization and worse). 

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tres bien

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I grew up watching Water Cronkite and I still get teary eyed whenever I see the footage of him announcing that JFK had been assassinated.

Now the news show hosts are all about popularity never mind being considered trusted 

Since I allow myself only one hour of news (Kassie Hunt on CNN) Monday through Friday) since November 6th I find I have zero tolerance for all the BS, infighting and people that follow people on cable tv news shows, X, Bluesky, Instagram whatever just to criticize and insult them. I took all “political “ pundits etc off any social media I’m on. I don’t want to hear them anymore.

It’s scary as we inch our way towards January 20th because I believe Trump and  his awful band of sycophants will try to do what they promised and without the House, Senate, Supreme Court and red state governors to say no it’s going to be at least 2 years of chaos that will produce nothing of consequence 

If the Democrats don’t prove themselves to be capable and take back the house in 2026 it really will be a hellscape (just the MAGA’s want and relish)

 

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peacheslatour

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A local legend and perhaps one of the last true journalists has died at 76.

76-year-old Aaron Brown, a former Seattle and CNN anchor, died on Sunday, according to several news outlets.

Brown began his career at KING 5 where he was a night assignment editor. He later became a reporter and anchor for the station.

He later moved to KIRO 7 where he anchored the 11 p.m. newscast.

Brown was probably best known for his coverage of 9/11 on CNN. It was his first day on the job when a plane crashed into one of the Twin Towers in New York. The network quickly moved him to the roof of their building where a clear view of the Trade Center was available.

His calm delivery in a crisis was probably best punctuated with the phrase, “‘Good Lord. There are no words."

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annzeepark914

annzeepark914

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I "wink" when I can't decide whether to laugh, scowl, or cry. Here's a question: didn't Congress enact some type of law (maybe 2 or 3 years ago) that would prevent a US president from pulling us out of NATO?

Wanted to add my 2 cents re: this thread. It's been wonderful having a place where we can process what happened on election Day, and where we can *together* prepare ourselves for the next 4 years. 

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Annber03

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5 hours ago, tres bien said:

I grew up watching Water Cronkite and I still get teary eyed whenever I see the footage of him announcing that JFK had been assassinated.

Now the news show hosts are all about popularity never mind being considered trusted 

The media loves Trump. For all their doomsaying and surface-level shock at "Can you believe what he said/did today?!", they love him. They need him. He gets them big ratings and they love the drama that comes with the constant "breaking news" announcements about whatever new insane thing he did or wants to do or said or whatever 

And every time, after some awful tragedy or event, they're always like, "Maybe this will be his opportunity to be presidential." Never mind the fact that he's never shown an ounce of presidential behavior before and that that's something we shouldn't hope for our presidents to show, but rather something that should just be, y'know, expected. 

But sure. Yeah. Maybe this time. And maybe pigs will also sprout wings and fly!

So that's one big raeson of many I never even bother with the big cable news networks I'm just not here for watching them try to fill 24 hours/7 days a week worth of time by pontificating about this and that and showing how in love they are with the sound of their own voices, I'm not here for the constant "breaking news" alerts where Trump's concerned (If everything's breaking news with him, then nothing is, quit trying to raise everyone's blood pressure), and I'm sure as fuck not here for the sanewashing of him while every other actual decent candidate gets scrutinized and nitpicked to death over every little thing they say and do. 

(And I know a lot of the way cable news is now is more to do with the corporate higher ups and that there are journalists on some of those networks that are actually trying to be responsible and do their jobs like professionals. And there are some out there I have respect for. Even so, the whole setup is still very offputting to me.)

I was obviously not alive during Cronkite's heyday, but I've seen clips of him, of course, and it's so easy to see why he was and still is so revered as a newsanchor. Would that we had more people like him in journalism nowadays. 

4 hours ago, Dimity said:

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I saw this the other day and...yeah. Accurate: It really would be nice to go into a new year and not have to wonder, "Oh, what fresh hell awaits us now?" 

 

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peacheslatour

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5 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

The media loves Trump. For all their doomsaying and surface-level shock at "Can you believe what he said/did today?!", they love him. They need him. He gets them big ratings and they love the drama that comes with the constant "breaking news" announcments about whatever new insane thing he did or wants to do or said or whatever 

And every time, after some awful tragecy or event, they're always like, "Maybe this will be his opportunity to be presidential." Never mind the fact that he's never shown an ounce of presidential behavior before and that that's something we shouldn't hope for our presidents to show, but rather something that should just be, y'know, expected. 

But sure. Yeah. Maybe this time. And maybe pigs will also sprout wings and fly!

So that's one big raeson of many I never even bother with the big cable news networks I'm just not here for watching them try to fill 24 hours/7 days a week worth of time by pontificating about this and that and showing how in love they are with the sound of their own voices, I'm not here for the constant "breaking news" alerts where Trump's concerned (If everything's breaking news with him, then nothing is, quit trying to raise everyone's blood pressure), and I'm sure as fuck not here for the sanewashing of him while every other actual decent candidate gets scrutinized and nitpicked to death over every little thing they say and do. 

(And I know a lot of the way cable news is now is more to do with the corporate higher ups and that there are journalists on some of those networks that are actually trying to be responsible and do their jobs lik professionals. And there are some out there I have respect for. Even so, the whole setup is still very offputting to me.)

I was obviously not alive during Cronkite's heyday, but I've seen clips of him, of course, and it's so easy to see why he was and still is so revered as a newsanchor. Would that we had more people like him in journalism nowadays. 

I saw this the other day and...yeah. Accurate: It really would be nice to go into a new year and not have to wonder, "Oh, what fresh hell awaits us now?" 

 

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After the 2016 election the president of CNN said "There is no red or blue. Only green"

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I belong to a coffee group (all women over 75) that meet weekly at a local coffee shop. This shop is located in a city, across from the local community college. Local businesspeople come in; as do the college students. Somehow we have caught the interest of the students. I digress...

We formed years ago when attending local Dem meetings, volunteering at the polls, registering voters, canvassing, etc. Our clue that things might not be normal ever again was during the first Obama campaign.  I was giving out sample Dem ballots at the polls;  one man took it, wiped it on the back of his behind and handed it back to me with a smirk. Another spit at a fellow volunteer's feet; another took the ballot, tore it up and threw the pieces on the ground. (these were all male voters) It has been like that ever since. How dare a black man run for President. These people have been empowered - and I am afraid this attitude is never going away. My point about the coffee group (took me awhile)....

The college kids apparently have been listening in (I think maybe for months) when we got going about Trump, Republican cowardice, etc.  So now some stop at our table, say a quick "hi, ladies" and then ask about something they may have heard when out and about. People (Magas) talk and boast, hoping someone will hear and agree. This gives me a wee glimmer of hope - that these kids don't like what they are hearing and may become politically aware. I said a "glimmer". 

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