S9.E.2: Double Trouble

[ZettaK]

The fallout from Karen's `hattitude' birthday continues as a few of the ladies try to reel in the drama; Gizelle and Wendy meet to hash out their issues; Gizelle and Ashley's GnA event is challenged by the Grande Dame.

[Emmeline]

I don’t blame Giselle one bit for throwing the women who came late out on their ass.  That was terrible.

[Stats Queen]

16 minutes ago, Emmeline said:

I don’t blame Giselle one bit for throwing the women who came late out on their ass.  That was terrible.

It really was. And shame on Karen for inviting them knowing that it would create conflicts and problems.

On the other hand, it was a fundraiser so that could have resulting in less money for her charity.

[drivethroo]

2 hours ago, Emmeline said:

I don’t blame Giselle one bit for throwing the women who came late out on their ass.  That was terrible.

Yes, BUT Ashley should not have told them to come by 8pm, especially after Gizelle told her the latest they could come was 7:30. Ashley is to blame for this.

LOL @ Keiarna saying the first GNA event was ghetto so she wasn't going this one. I think Gizelle lowkey is still mad at Keiarna & Candiace for ruining the first GNA event (even though that too was Ashley's fault).  That's the real reason she didn't invite Keiarna to Karen's birthday.

Wendy said the sit down with Gizelle was 2 hours long and she brought up

• the Eddie rumors
• the Reasonably Shady bathroom situation
• supporting Mia assaulting her
• the witchcraft stuff

But none of that was shown.  I think more should've been shown since Wendy & Gizelle have been feuding since season 6.

Ashley has zero excuse for why her boys arent being exposed to their Black side.  Arlington and the DC area in general are very diverse ethnically.  It's not like Ashley lives in Utah or Idaho. Ashley's boys are living White because that's how she & Michael always intended to raise them.

I'm not sure about Stacey's situation but same for her. She better hope someone will sponsor her so Bella can join Jack & Jill, but even despite that, the DC area is diverse and always has a ton of activities. Find an activity with diverse kids, stick Bella in it. Boom.

*Another reason Keiarna wasn't invited was because Jassi was supposed to be the housewife, and Keiarna just a friend but after filming they made Keiarna the housewife and Jassi the friend.

Edited October 14 by drivethroo

[Palimelon]

At the very least, Ashely can take her kids to the National Museum of African American History and Culture in DC...the museum even plans activities for kids up to 8 years old, so it's a good start even for kids their age.

Shall we take bets on how long Gizelle's truces with Karen and Wendy will last this season, respectively? Seems like the one with Karen might be record breaking in how quick it ends this season lol

Edited October 14 by Palimelon

[dancingdreamer]

Karen was being  extra shady. It's okay to see her get an award,  but also say, this is who I really  am. She still has over 5 citations  for driving  drunk, that hasn't  gone away. She put all the women  in a very awkward  position, who had already  said they were  going  to Gizelles fundraiser. Rude!  

[Chatty Cake]

Karen was shady taking over the night of Gizelle and Ashley’s event. It’s kind of funny to see Gizelle get pissed off though. 
I’m still trying to get used to the new ladies. I like Kiearna so far but not keen on Stacey. I don’t really buy that Stacy and her new boyfriend aren’t doing anything. It sounds like she wants the husband to think that. 
 

[MaggieG]

Karen was definitely being shady, especially considering everyone had already committed to Gizelle's event. 

[Giddyup]

Is GNA still a clothing line? I didn’t understand what Giselle and Ashley’s company had to do with brain tumor awareness. I know Gizelles dad passed away and she wanted to do something but it didn’t make a lot of sense. 

[drivethroo]

 

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Karen was definitely being shady, especially considering everyone had already committed to Gizelle's event. 

The group really didn't rock with Gizelle, so they prioritized Karen's event over hers (which was rude and against etiquette #throwback).  She's not cool like that with Wendy, she offended Keiarna by not inviting her to Karen's birthday party, she offended Mia by questioning her mothering and she really doesn't know Jassi or Stacey like that.

While Karen was shady for inviting them to her event and Ashley was wrong for telling them to get there at 8 when Gizelle didn't want them there at all, the group was wrong for choosing to prioritize Karen's event over GNAs.

I wlll also say GNA is just as much Ashley's event as it is Gizelle's and if Ashley wanted them there, she should have stood up to Gizelle and not let Gizelle kick them out of *their* event.

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Is GNA still a clothing line? I didn’t understand what Giselle and Ashley’s company had to do with brain tumor awareness. I know Gizelles dad passed away and she wanted to do something but it didn’t make a lot of sense. 

GNA as a clothing line is a flop. None of the "fashions" at the GNA show were ever on their website. They have the same sad 6 items on their website.

So they rebranded as "GNA Fusion" which is supposed to concentrate on wellness.  But as Wendy said on Ep 1, what are they fusing?

Edited October 14 by drivethroo

[ridethemaverick]

Karen is really losing me. The way she's handling the DUI, especially compared to a hw on a different show, is appalling. Then to pull these event shenanigans. It's Gizelle, so I know it's a frenemy thing, but it was an event honoring her father, so I can't ki kii like I normally would. That was foul.

I think there was some subtext to Ashley's conversation with Stacy. I think what she's not saying is that her boys aren't black and don't see themselves as black (which is fair, they're maybe 25% if that), but I think she doesn't want backlash so she didn't say it out loud. 

Wendy's boobs were way too prominent and that outfit was doing the most. She looks good but read the room. 

I don't miss Robyn or Candace. Not sure about the new girls yet. 

Edited October 14 by ridethemaverick

[ZettaK]

Karen wanted to "show" Gizelle by sabotaging her event because she critized her regarding her DUI on tv (several times, including her birthday party). I think Gizelle overreacted though by throwing the women out of her GnA (Fusion!) event.

Wendy's outfit was not too appropriate for the occasion in her meeting with Gizelle. She also shows too much cleavage in every scene/confessional. I wonder if Johns Hopkins asked her to resign after all. 

[StevieRocks]

WHO is giving an award to 2x drunk driving Big Ugly Mole Karen? How dreadful. And don't compare yourself to Beyonce, Big Ugly Mole. Beyonce has a driver because she's a superstar; you have a driver because you're a dangerous, ol' drunk idiot.

[ButterQueen]

Anyone else think Gizelle took a secret pic of Wendy in the outrageous getup?

I have never liked Karen and now I really don’t like her.

This show is a bore.
 

 

[howiveaddict]

What was the cameraman standing and filming through curtains, in another room when Gizelle and Kurn were chatting?

[qtpye]

7 hours ago, drivethroo said:

 

The group really didn't rock with Gizelle, so they prioritized Karen's event over hers (which was rude and against etiquette #throwback).  She's not cool like that with Wendy, she offended Keiarna by not inviting her to Karen's birthday party, she offended Mia by questioning her mothering and she really doesn't know Jassi or Stacey like that.

While Karen was shady for inviting them to her event and Ashley was wrong for telling them to get there at 8 when Gizelle didn't want them there at all, the group was wrong for choosing to prioritize Karen's event over GNAs.

I wlll also say GNA is just as much Ashley's event as it is Gizelle's and if Ashley wanted them there, she should have stood up to Gizelle and not let Gizelle kick them out of *their* event.

GNA as a clothing line is a flop. None of the "fashions" at the GNA show were ever on their website. They have the same sad 6 items on their website.

So they rebranded as "GNA Fusion" which is supposed to concentrate on wellness.  But as Wendy said on Ep 1, what are they fusing?

My guess the whole business is nothing but a bullshit storyline for the show because Gizzy and Ashley have nothing interesting going on with their lives.

[Salacious Kitty]

Even if Giz has something interesting going on in her real life, she wouldn't share it on the show. 🙄

[albarino]

I finally caught up with this episode.  Are they intentionally trying to turn this franchise into a poorly scripted soap opera?  

Okay, stepping back, Karen had an event that conflicted with Gizelle's event.  Sounds like GnA's date was locked in before Karen was invited to be honored as a dynamic and influential member of the Potomac community (okay, I'm ad libbing here, I have no idea what Karen did to deserve the honor I've never heard of, but I digress).  Did she coordinate with Giselle before sending the text arranging for the sprinter van so that the ladies could attend both events?  Doesn't sound like it.  I'm not even sure it was possible.  However, as a new RHOP housewife, if I received the text, I would think it was cool to do both events.

Did Giselle overreact?  Sure.  She should have let them in but her ego got in the way.  Didn't help her cause but the soap opera plot was advanced.

On to Karen.  She had a single vehicle accident and was charged with a number of fairly minor things (to me) but the huge deal is the DUI and I read she refused to blow a breathalyzer test.  Doesn't that make you presumed guilty if you refuse the test?  Anyway, Karen took offense to somebody saying to just let the legal process proceed or something like that.  

Well, what does Karen think unqualified support for her look like?  I'm serious, I can't figure out what she wants to hear from these cast mates?  They seem gracious to me about her legal issue.  Karen isn't a little kid with a first mistake.  Whether she is ready to admit it or not, she has a real judgement and/or drinking problem.

[eXiled]

On 10/14/2024 at 9:26 PM, qtpye said:

My guess the whole business is nothing but a bullshit storyline for the show because Gizzy and Ashley have nothing interesting going on with their lives.

Even before I saw that poorly thrown-up website I knew their business was a joke. Who in the world wants to dress like Gizelle and/or Ashley? Both are good-looking ladies, but I'd never accuse either of them of being fashion forward.

This is what happens when producer's pets are allowed to run the show from behind the scenes. GnA will never be held accountable like the others. These two will never allow their real lives to be filmed again.

I don't believe Ashley is getting divorced.

When I last watched early last year, Giz was pretending to date a younger man from another Bravo show. Has he been mentioned? Now that her daughters are leaving the nest and Robyn isn't there to hold her purse, she's lost. Hell, she can't even call Jamal to pretend to reconcile again. He's engaged.

[Baltimore Betty]

On 10/14/2024 at 5:32 PM, StevieRocks said:

WHO is giving an award to 2x drunk driving Big Ugly Mole Karen? How dreadful. And don't compare yourself to Beyonce, Big Ugly Mole. Beyonce has a driver because she's a superstar; you have a driver because you're a dangerous, ol' drunk idiot.

On 10/14/2024 at 2:36 PM, ZettaK said:

Wendy's outfit was not too appropriate for the occasion in her meeting with Gizelle. She also shows too much cleavage in every scene/confessional. I wonder if Johns Hopkins asked her to resign after all. 

It boggles my mind when these women dress like that! The stares they must get from bystanders and my other thought is where the hell are they buying those hideous outfits and the other, other thought is if they have "designers," making those shite outfits they should fire those so-called designers, cheap looking clothing at it's best. Funny they will have a Fendi bag and wear it with what looks like a homemade outfit that looks disposable after one wearing.

 

[drivethroo]

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

It boggles my mind when these women dress like that! The stares they must get from bystanders

You don't dress like that unless you want to be seen.  Wendy and Ashley paid good money for their new boobs and they're going to make sure they get their money's worth out of them.

(Funny how Ashley was never accused of being insecure or being loose when she ran out to get the Spauldings on her chest).

Did Gizelle overreact? Hmm. What's really going on is the power dynamic in the group has changed and Gizelle is having a bit of trouble navigating that. Gizelle,  Candiace and Wendy were locked in a power struggle for the past few seasons and Candiace finally decided to leave.  Robyn & Nneka were fired, Keiarna let Gizelle know she likes her but she ain't about to kiss anyone's ass and they added 2 new cast members who aren't running to pledge G Phi G.

Karen exploited Gizelle's tumble by inviting everyone to her event at the  last minute and every main cast member chose to go to Karen's event first. That showed Gizelle that she don't run things anymore...there was zero reason for any of the other main cast members to prioritize Gizelle over Karen:

• Gizelle has maligned and iced out Wendy for years
• Gizelle blamed Keiarna, Wendy & Candiace for the GNA fight (even though that was Ashley's fault)
• Gizelle had just offended Mia about not protecting her kids
• Gizelle doesn't know Stacey & Jassi ...why would they prioritize Gizelle over Karen?

On the surface, the group should have honored Gizelle's event and declined Karen's. The fact none of the main cast members did told Gizelle some things about herself and her value to the group...and that's why she's really mad.

 

[Giddyup]

I thought Ashley should have gotten fired over Candiace. She has had the same storyline of pretend divorce for years. 

[Yogisbooboo64]

Mia – Didn’t feel sorry for her ‘crying’ at all.  She’s been with the group long enough to know if you can’t stand the heat then stay outta the kitchen.  Children may be off limits but maybe stop pushing Karen into a corner in regard to her DUI.

Karen – I thought her event was before Gizzard’s!  Oof.  And why doesn’t Karen know what time the event begins or ends?  I would have gone to Gizzy’s event then Karen’s, since Giz’s invite was first.

Gizzy – Just a wee dramatic with throwing the girls out/calling for security.  8:02 or not, 58 minutes isn’t bad for an event. 

Giz and Wendy – Wendy has more generosity that I do, ‘cause let a biffa treat me like Giz has treated me for a coupla seasons….nah, I’m good, we can be icily cordial so long as you keep my name out of your motherfuckin’ mouth. (tm Will Smith)  But who are we kidding, this was totally production based to get the two of them speaking again.

[ZettaK]

7 hours ago, albarino said:

I finally caught up with this episode.  Are they intentionally trying to turn this franchise into a poorly scripted soap opera?  

Okay, stepping back, Karen had an event that conflicted with Gizelle's event.  Sounds like GnA's date was locked in before Karen was invited to be honored as a dynamic and influential member of the Potomac community (okay, I'm ad libbing here, I have no idea what Karen did to deserve the honor I've never heard of, but I digress).  Did she coordinate with Giselle before sending the text arranging for the sprinter van so that the ladies could attend both events?  Doesn't sound like it.  I'm not even sure it was possible.  However, as a new RHOP housewife, if I received the text, I would think it was cool to do both events.

Did Giselle overreact?  Sure.  She should have let them in but her ego got in the way.  Didn't help her cause but the soap opera plot was advanced.

On to Karen.  She had a single vehicle accident and was charged with a number of fairly minor things (to me) but the huge deal is the DUI and I read she refused to blow a breathalyzer test.  Doesn't that make you presumed guilty if you refuse the test?  Anyway, Karen took offense to somebody saying to just let the legal process proceed or something like that.  

Well, what does Karen think unqualified support for her look like?  I'm serious, I can't figure out what she wants to hear from these cast mates?  They seem gracious to me about her legal issue.  Karen isn't a little kid with a first mistake.  Whether she is ready to admit it or not, she has a real judgement and/or drinking problem.

It's obvious Karen didn't want anybody to mention the DUI on tv. She told Gizelle in the first scene of the season ("I can't talk about it"). That's the support she expected. A totally unreasonable expectation because the DUI, crash, etc. happened just before filming started, and it was on the news, social media, etc.- it's a serious matter.

Edited October 16 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

8 hours ago, drivethroo said:

On the surface, the group should have honored Gizelle's event and declined Karen's. The fact none of the main cast members did told Gizelle some things about herself and her value to the group...and that's why she's really mad.

 

Yes, that's why Gizelle was furious. The women didn't prioritize her. Her behavior was that of a spoiled child. Let's see what will happen in the rest of the season. 

Edited October 17 by ZettaK
Grammar

[qtpye]

6 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

It boggles my mind when these women dress like that! The stares they must get from bystanders and my other thought is where the hell are they buying those hideous outfits and the other, other thought is if they have "designers," making those shite outfits they should fire those so-called designers, cheap looking clothing at it's best. Funny they will have a Fendi bag and wear it with what looks like a homemade outfit that looks disposable after one wearing.

 

I feel the same way but it seems like ladies who pay for their boobs and backsides enhanced want to make sure everyone sees what they bought.

Women with those attributes naturally seem to cover up a lot more.

Also, what is the point of paying designer prices if the quality is the same as Shein?

[Yogisbooboo64]

1 hour ago, ZettaK said:

t's obvious Karen didn't want anybody to mention the DUI on tv. She told Gizelle in the first scene of the season ("I can't talk about it"). That's the support she expected. A totally unreasonable expectation because the DUI, crash, etc. happened just before filming started, and it was on the news, social media, etc.- it's a serious matter.

But one still in the courts, yes?  If that's the case then no, Karen can only say so much I'd assume.

As for prioritizing Gizzy, she had drama lingering with half of the ladies, so there's that.  Karen, in her shady way said as much, saying how they liked her more than Giz.

[ZettaK]

On 10/16/2024 at 5:13 PM, Yogisbooboo64 said:

But one still in the courts, yes?  If that's the case then no, Karen can only say so much I'd assume.

As for prioritizing Gizzy, she had drama lingering with half of the ladies, so there's that.  Karen, in her shady way said as much, saying how they liked her more than Giz.

Yes, it was still in the courts at the time. And I highly suspect the women like Karen more than Gizelle, as she claimed. The only one that was Gizelle's friend/liked her was Robyn. Ashley is an ally, she is not a real friend.

Edited October 18 by ZettaK

[drivethroo]

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22 hours ago

I thought Ashley should have gotten fired over Candiace. She has had the same storyline of pretend divorce for years. 

Candiace wasn't fired; she saw the writing on the wall. Gizelle was protected and she can do whatever she wants to the cast with no repercussions. So instead of revealing her pregnancy at the reunion as she originally intended to do, she & Chris decided to bounce because she wasn't going to be in a safe space. After all, production & Ashley brought Sesame Street to the GNA show to assault Candiace.  Who knows what they would've done during her pregnancy.

Robyn & Nneka* were fired because they didn't bring anything to the show. Robyn's fate was sealed when Mia gave the messy storyline BRAVO expected Robyn to give in Season 8 and Juan didn't show up to the reunion.

Ashley probably would've also been fired because she's had the same storyline for 3 seasons: she's divorcing Michael. This is Ashley's make or break season because on paper, Stacey should be CANDIACE's replacement (white husband, biracial child) but she actually seems to be ASHLEY's replacement (divorcing her white husband, biracial child, dating while divorced).

If Stacey's storyline delivers more movement than Ashley's storyline this season, Ashley might as well apply for the front desk receptionist position at Robyn's skin spa (if Juan isn't answering phone first).

*Nneka was a flop because her sole purpose to being added to the cast was get rid of Wendy and be a replacement Nigerian.  Production and cast did not care about Nneka unless she was talking bad about Wendy. When BRAVO/production got serious backlash for the xenophobic osu/witchcraft storyline, Nneka was the fall guy and got fired to make it all disappear.  Nneka was actually likeable and IMO would've fit in with the current cast but that's not why she was hired to be on the show.

[Stats Queen]

3 hours ago, drivethroo said:

If Stacey's storyline delivers more movement than Ashley's storyline this season, Ashley might as well apply for the front desk receptionist position at Robyn's skin spa (if Juan isn't answering phone first).

If Juan doesn’t answer the phone. He’s probably busy doing the laundry.

[ZettaK]

I was watching the rerun, and it seems that Karen had not renewed her driver's license at the time of the accident/DUI, so she was driving with an expired license. Her car registration was not up to date either. So, yes this is serious, on top of the DUI.

Edited October 18 by ZettaK

[BloggerAloud]

Gizelle kicking people out of her event was giving me Nene turning everybody away when they showed up late to her dinner party in Los Angeles many moons ago on RHOA

[Baltimore Betty]

1 hour ago, BloggerAloud said:

Gizelle kicking people out of her event was giving me Nene turning everybody away when they showed up late to her dinner party in Los Angeles many moons ago on RHOA

Gizz: I want to bring awareness about brain tumors, I will invite lots of people.

Also Gizz: Get out, SECURITY!!! Get out. 

Did we miss a speech from Mizz Gizz? What kind of brain tumors specifically are we talking about, cancerous or meningiomas or what? Were they taking donations from the guests? Did they have an auction to raise money? What is GNA's mission, to raise money or just awareness as in "don't let this happen to you" sort of thing...Gizz and Ashley have no clue what they are doing in the name of hideous workout wear.

I didn't even see a step and repeat!

[drivethroo]

The GNA event was a fundraiser. That's why after Gizelle kicked them out, she sent Ashley to run after Mia, Jassi & Stacey with a QR code to the donation website. Kicking me out but asking me for money? No ma'am.  Not today.

[Rlb8031]

On 10/19/2024 at 1:02 PM, drivethroo said:

The GNA event was a fundraiser. That's why after Gizelle kicked them out, she sent Ashley to run after Mia, Jassi & Stacey with a QR code to the donation website. Kicking me out but asking me for money? No ma'am.  Not today.

And this is why I say Gizelle is dumb. The correct move would have been to meet them at the door and say "You're just in time, we're $x thousand dollars shy of our goal. Here is the QR code, please bring us over the top." Instead she let a bunch of Gen Z gays put a battery in her back to show up all queen b with a bunch of drama. I'm with Jessia (sp?) - if you don't want me, you damn sure don't want my money.

Edited October 22 by Rlb8031

[Baltimore Betty]

1 hour ago, Rlb8031 said:

And this is why I say Gizelle is dumb. The correct move would have been to meet them at the door and say "You're just in time, we're $x thousand dollars shy of our goal. Here is the QR code, please bring us over the top." Instead she let a bunch of Gen Z gays put a battery in her back to show up all queen b with a bunch of drama. I'm with Jessia (sp?) - if you don't want me, you damn sure don't want my money.

One of those Gen Z guys was on Below Deck a couple of times, he was horrible on that show and low and behold, he is being horrible on dry land. 

You seem to think Gizzy or Ashley have critical thinking abilities.

 

[Yours Truly]

On 10/16/2024 at 2:06 PM, Yogisbooboo64 said:

 

Karen – I thought her event was before Gizzard’s!  Oof.  And why doesn’t Karen know what time the event begins or ends?  I would have gone to Gizzy’s event then Karen’s, since Giz’s invite was first.

G

Okay so hear me out. It wasn't lost on me that the GNA event was scheduled at the same time as the event Karen was a part of.... hmmmmmm.

In Gizelle's talking head she herself confirms that she knew about the event and saw/received an invitation months before and while the talking head was geared to shade Karen and CLAIM that her name wasn't on the list I couldn't help but notice that Gizelle just admitted to knowing about the function WELL in advance and yet chose that SAME day and round about time to have HER event?????

Me thinks Karen's name was in deed on the list originally (I mean, come on, we only have Gizelle's word that it wasn't) and it influenced the date for the GNA fundraising event. Otherwise that's some coincidence right there, wouldn't you think? Just sayin'.    

That's my not so far fetched theory. 

Edited October 22 by Yours Truly

[Palimelon]

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a bunch of Gen Z gays

???

[Glama]

On 10/22/2024 at 9:30 PM, Palimelon said:

???

Yeah what was this about? I don't watch Below Deck.

I'm just catching up with the episodes, I only found out today that the show's started again. 

 

[ZettaK]

On 10/22/2024 at 2:30 PM, Palimelon said:

???

Very young guys who are gay. It seems one of the guys who surrounded Gizelle during her event appeared on Below Deck. I don't watch the show for years. 

[Palimelon]

TBH I found it to be a bit offensive, hence my reaction.

[Sweet-tea]

On 10/17/2024 at 9:10 PM, ZettaK said:

I was watching the rerun, and it seems that Karen had not renewed her driver's license at the time of the accident/DUI, so she was driving with an expired license. Her car registration was not up to date either. So, yes this is serious, on top of the DUI.

Those are minor charges that will likely be thrown out when her attorney negotiates. I'll bet she ends up with a fine and maybe a suspended license for a short period. 

But it makes me wonder: why didn't she renew her license and registration? Is she that spacey? 

[Baltimore Betty]

1 hour ago, Sweet-tea said:

But it makes me wonder: why didn't she renew her license and registration? Is she that spacey? 

Because rules don't apply to her...that is the first telltale sign of being a narcissist.

[ZettaK]

5 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

Those are minor charges that will likely be thrown out when her attorney negotiates. I'll bet she ends up with a fine and maybe a suspended license for a short period. 

But it makes me wonder: why didn't she renew her license and registration? Is she that spacey? 

A judge rejected all her attorney's motions. There is going to be a trial, I think this month.

Edited November 3 by ZettaK

[qtpye]

On 11/3/2024 at 8:55 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

Because rules don't apply to her...that is the first telltale sign of being a narcissist.

 

On 11/3/2024 at 7:20 AM, Sweet-tea said:

But it makes me wonder: why didn't she renew her license and registration? Is she that spacey? 

See, if Old Blue Eyes were still driving her around, she wouldn't be in this mess.

Too bad she slept with her driver and screwed that up.