S18.E5: Dinner Party Disaster

[tranquilidade]

7 minutes ago, QQQQ said:

Is Shannon's meal line still in business? It seems like her focus switched to John's needs instead of her own. Wondering if she's having some financial difficulties coming to the surface. 

I get the feeling she is having difficulty and now that she has to pay John the money this is a disaster for her.  It isn't like he gave the money and she can recover it to return it she spent it and it's gone.  The fact that she keeps harping on her concerns about paying for college suggests she is in trouble.   She might be responsible for all her problems but the way Tamra abused her publicly was so cruel that  I just have to feel sorry for Shannon.  Tamra is a vicious and vindictive person.  If she didn't like getting the drunk phone calls she didn't have to keep accepting them.   If Shannon was a rotten friend then why not just end it who gives anyone the right to keep punishing someone this way.  

[QQQQ]

Too bad Shannon either isn't clever enough or doesn't have the strength to do so, but it would be so easy to clap back at Alexis/John.   

[Cosmocrush]

21 minutes ago, QQQQ said:

Too bad Shannon either isn't clever enough or doesn't have the strength to do so, but it would be so easy to clap back at Alexis/John.   

Especially when it Alexis last husband that cost Shannon $300k in legal fees fighing his baseless lawsuit - (which she won) something  John knows all about.

And even though Bellino was ordered to pay Shannon’s legal fees that doesn’t mean he did or that she didn’t have to pay her attorney first and wait for that dirtbag to cough it up.  

Edited August 9 by Cosmocrush

[RoseAllDay]

12 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Alexis shouldn't be defending John that much. 

Vicki tells others to be kind, and compassionate? She is such a good Christian! Not.

Nope. John will probably dump her too at some point. No, not probably. Will.

I was thinking about Vicki’s “conversion”. Didn’t that happen when the cancer scam was on fire? How convenient that she found Christ when her reputation was tanking. One of the truly cringeworthy moments was at Tamra’s baptism (another sacrilege) when she was screeching that she was being crucified just like Jesus was — right in front of Tamra’s “pasture”. It is disgusting how she still uses religion to raise herself “above” everyone else when actually she is just as gross as the rest of them.

Get off your cross, Vick. We need the wood.

28 minutes ago, QQQQ said:

Too bad Shannon either isn't clever enough or doesn't have the strength to do so, but it would be so easy to clap back at Alexis/John.   

She gets too stirred up at confrontation to respond logically and calmly. That has always been her Achilles’ heel and the drinking doesn’t help. I imagine she has “two drinks” just to calm down. 

Edited August 9 by RoseAllDay

[Natalie68]

13 hours ago, Pi237 said:

Remember when Tamra found Jesus and got baptized? 🤣

You can’t bully an alcoholic into getting well.  Tamra’s and many of these housewives behavior with alcohol can be described as problematic in the very least. Thankfully, they’ve all been smart enough not to drive. But you can be an alcoholic and not have a DUI. Screaming and belittling someone with addiction doesn’t cure them. Tamra is such a hateful person. She’s not concerned or worried about Shannon. She’s just using her situation to act superior and get camera time. She’s so slimy.  See also: Alexis. Damn woman was practically foaming at the mouth to Defend Her Man. 🤢🤮

I wish Shannon wouldn’t get so flustered and run away.  She needs to calmly defend herself, but she’s too easy a target to get riled up. 

I rewatched yesterday.  Maybe even more funny now!  I did get a hoot out of drunk Rhonda.  

JESUS!  Tamra is a one trick pony. Shannon is a mess but yelling at her was nasty. Like that was going to do anything!  She should have stopped drinking and I see another bad alcohol situation for her in the future.  A bad fall, DUI, bad drunk decision, whatever.  I did laugh that Vicki didn't chase after Shannon when she left.  If Katie put the pap thing to bed I think I would like her.  Petty but she and Heather are the only ones on that show with any speck of fashion sense.

[Natalie68]

11 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Tamra’s story this year is hectoring Shannon about drinking.  Pot meet kettle.   

Vicki really sounded stupid egging on Shannon’s drinking.  True, it’s important that Shannon not drink and drive, but she shouldn’t encourage her whooping it up.

Alexis is trying too hard with her (un)witty ripostes. “Shannon is going to need another face lift to get her jaw off the floor.”

I just can't believe she came to that party with John’s receipts. 

Being clever and having good comebacks takes some intelligence.  

Vicki IS stupid. Gotta keep the 2 Amigas going. Since she is so thirsty for HW's, makes me wonder if insurance keeps Vicki in the lifestyle in which she has become accustomed or if she NEEDS this show. 

10 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I don't know why Alexis thinks that having John's receipts is such a big deal. Shannon never said that John didn't give her money. If it was a loan, it was pretty stupid on John's part not to have papers drawn up identifying it as such. Johnny J apparently isn't too bright. 

I did love Alexis referring to Johnny J as the man she is going to marry. That's what Shannon thought too when he said he wanted to take their relationship to the next level. He just had a different definition of next level. Beware of Johnny J using that phrase, Alexis. 

Whoever said last week that Terry looks like Hugh Heffner, thank you. I cannot not see Heff now when they show Terry. 

I am really, really tired of the producers making Shannon the target, year after year after year. No one believes that Tamra is worried about Shannon. Please stop insulting the viewers' intelligence, we know Tamra storyline this season is to attack Shannon. Again. Meanwhile, Tamra is the one dancing on tables last episode and apparently eating off someone's toes next episode. STFU about anything to do with Shannon, Tamra. Your behaviour in any and every season you have been on the show has been abhorrent. 

She's not giving up her spousal support from Jim to marry this loser.  She gets a lot of $$ from him.

[65mickey]

1 hour ago, QQQQ said:

Is Shannon's meal line still in business? It seems like her focus switched to John's needs instead of her own. Wondering if she will soon be having more financial difficulties coming to the surface. 

Emily was playing both sides at the dinner. She was kind of egging Alexis on at first, looking at the receipts, etc. It wasn't until Alexis said she wanted to be friends with Shannon that Emily called her out. Emily used to be nicer. I definitely don't like her as much this season. 

I don't know if the Real for Real meal line is still in business but they have not been sold on QVC in years.. They were just  expensive TV dinners. She then pivoted to lemon water. But it's funny she hasn't mentioned her lemon business in quite sometime. I have a feeling that she blew through a good deal of money on these business ventures. 

[Natalie68]

3 hours ago, 65mickey said:

Speaking of Shannon did anyone else think she was trying to hit up daddy for money during that lunch scene when she brought up John's $75,000 suit?  

🙋‍♀️

[Cosmocrush]

15 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Vicki IS stupid. Gotta keep the 2 Amigas going. Since she is so thirsty for HW's, makes me wonder if insurance keeps Vicki in the lifestyle in which she has become accustomed or if she NEEDS this show. 

I don't know Vickster's finances but I think she NEEDS to be on the show for the fame way more than the paycheck.  She loved being the OG of all HW shows and the status she gave herself over that, lol. 

[tranquilidade]

21 minutes ago, Cosmocrush said:

I don't know Vickster's finances but I think she NEEDS to be on the show for the fame way more than the paycheck.  She loved being the OG of all HW shows and the status she gave herself over that, lol. 

I agree.  Most of these women are addicted to the attention and celebrity status they achieved even more than the money.  It feeds into their egocentric  and narcissistic needs.

[RoseAllDay]

46 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

I don't know if the Real for Real meal line is still in business but they have not been sold on QVC in years.. They were just  expensive TV dinners. She then pivoted to lemon water. But it's funny she hasn't mentioned her lemon business in quite sometime. I have a feeling that she blew through a good deal of money on these business ventures. 

https://realforreal.com/shop/

Most of the product descriptions are brief sentences that say absolutely nothing. Sorry, I’m not dropping money on something that I don’t know what it is or what it does. I didn’t see any food. There was another story when I searched that said she was coming back to QVC. In 2019.

She did have a commercial with a packing company…haven’t seen that in a long while either.

I’m guessing she is just someone who has no clue about running a business. The website is nicely designed (I’ve seen much worse) but it takes more than that. 

EDIT. I will allow that part of the food problem may have been supply issues during COVID.

Edited August 9 by RoseAllDay

[dosodog]

"Fun Lexi" is just another attempt to be Shannon.

It's so creepy. The boyfriend, the dog and now trying to copy Wacky Shannon.

I count my blessings that it wasn't "Sexy Lexi" though...

 

 

[Pi237]

14 hours ago, snarts said:

 

I can't get this quite box to go away, sorry snarts!

Anyway, John was always trying to rein Shannon in when she'd go over the top. Near the end, she was so scared to act wrong because of how John felt about the cameras. Alexis seems worse than Shannon for popping off and being embarrassing. He must really love Alexis or Really Hate Shannon to endure Alexis' unhinged behavior on tv that's All about Johnny.  You'd think he'd go with a more private, level headed woman, but instead he doubled down with Messy Lexi.

[Chatty Cake]

This show is gross. Shannon made a mistake. She has to live with it. Why do the Rat and Jugs get to scream at her? 
Jansens a loser. He gives Jugs receipts to use against his ex? Get a job instead of suing your ex, Loser!

[Palimelon]

Quote

You'd think he'd go with a more private, level headed woman, but instead he doubled down with Messy Lexi.

And then after he breaks up with Alexis, he will try and move on to Jenn if she is no longer with Ryan.

[JenE4]

5 hours ago, TV Diva Queen said:Also, when Shane gave Emily her ring, I thought it was fake - he said "I had your engagement ring recreated" and then her expression was so bland.  WTF was that?  Did he already give it to her and this presentation was just for filming?  

I think he said he upgraded her ring. However, the ring definitely looked fake to me. The stones looked too white. Maybe it just was a combination of the dark locale plus TV lights and as broadcast but, as you said, Emily was unimpressed, so it must have looked just as bad, if not worse, in person. Only Alexis seemed to think it was an actual diamond with her ridiculous, over-the-top reaction. But I guess in the OC nowadays everyone “needs” 10+ carat rings (whether fake or not) just to fit in with the status quo. I guess Shane was equally unimpressed with his gift, the way he was stopping passerby and asking whether the photo looked like her. Apparently the photoshop job was just as bad a fake as the cubic zirconia. But, there was a whole lot of fakeness going around that dinner party. I think the only time anyone was being real was when they were trying to plot out how to separate all of the enemies by place settings. I suppose this was a better tactic than RHNJ, sitting one’s nemesis directly across from one another so they can more easily throw the dishes on them, er, look them in the eye when confronting them. OC seemed to have bought themselves a little more time to eat before people caught on to what was being said about them at the other end of the table. But then the yelling and storming out was about the same. I was amused by Shannon standing right outside the door and saying she was hurt that no one followed after her…to Jen, whom had followed after her.

[tranquilidade]

I thought Shannon actually left the restaurant so I was surprised to see her standing there.   Jen was the only one kind enough to get up and look for her. She's definitely different from the rest. 

 

I read that Emily said the picture is behind a door in a closet somewhere and was never put up on the wall.  It's online in her own words.  She didn't seem to care either.

 

 

[ZettaK]

16 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said:

I don’t think we’d ever seen Shannon’s dad before. You can see where she gets the drinking problem. 

 

16 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

He's been on the show. I remember him at a party hitting on women half his age. Reminded me of Aviva's lech dad.

Shannon's father is creepy. She was proud he was having very young girlfriends at his age (he must be in his 90s now, he was close to 90 when Shannon was divorcing). 

ETA: none of the young women would be with him if he were not rich. He was not a good looking guy even when he was young. 

Edited August 9 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

5 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

I agree that Shannon was probably not spending wisely, especially considering she paid for everything they did together.   But unlike Jenn, she is putting her kids through school and keeping a roof over their heads.

Dave Beador shares the college tuition fees with Shannon. 

[Pattycake2]

I hate Tamra and Alexis is still a cow.

[lasu]

While Shannon could definitely have mismanaged her money and is now in trouble, the money from John doesn't necessarily indicate that.  If she still has a pretty substantial wealth, it may not be easy to access the principal.  She may live off of scheduled payments, or interest, and have to plan to take from the bulk ahead of time for things like college tuition or facelifts.  John may have less wealth than her (I'm 100% speculating here), but have access to more liquid cash at any given moment. 

On a very small scale, think of it as you are well-off, but your boyfriend is pretty poor.  That doesn't mean he might not have a couple dollars cash for the vending machine when you only have your credit cards on hand.  You still have more wealth than him, and now the question is did he hand you that $2 to buy a soda as a gift, or expect you to pay it back?

 

[ZettaK]

6 hours ago, RoseAllDay said:

Nope. John will probably dump her too at some point. No, not probably. Will.

I was thinking about Vicki’s “conversion”. Didn’t that happen when the cancer scam was on fire? How convenient that she found Christ when her reputation was tanking. One of the truly cringeworthy moments was at Tamra’s baptism (another sacrilege) when she was screeching that she was being crucified just like Jesus was — right in front of Tamra’s “pasture”. It is disgusting how she still uses religion to raise herself “above” everyone else when actually she is just as gross as the rest of them.

Get off your cross, Vick. We need the wood.

She gets too stirred up at confrontation to respond logically and calmly. That has always been her Achilles’ heel and the drinking doesn’t help. I imagine she has “two drinks” just to calm down. 

Yes, Vicki (and her brother and his girlfriend) fought with Shannon, and Meghan in front of the pastor (and a large number of guests)! They compared Vicki and Brooks' cancer scam with Shannon's husband's cheating. What they wanted to do was to embarrass Shannon in front of an audience because Shannon exposed Vicki, and the scam. Vicki can save the righteousness on this episode. She is a huge hypocrite. 

[ZettaK]

6 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Being clever and having good comebacks takes some intelligence.  

Vicki IS stupid. Gotta keep the 2 Amigas going. Since she is so thirsty for HW's, makes me wonder if insurance keeps Vicki in the lifestyle in which she has become accustomed or if she NEEDS this show. 

She's not giving up her spousal support from Jim to marry this loser.  She gets a lot of $$ from him.

Vicki sold the large house in Coto in 2021 (after she was fired from the OC HWs). She was subletting part of it to a friendly couple for some time (info from her IG, and articles online) when she was still living in it! She bought a 2,400 sq ft house with no lot in Coto which she put up for sale soon after. She threw shade at Jeana Keough for selling her large house and buying a small one in Coto, but then she did the same! She didn't sell it because she still lived in it until February according to her IG . She also sold the lake house in North Carolina after her daughter and sil left the state- I believe in less than a year. She still owns the condo in Mexico. I suspect the Bravo salary was a large part of her income, even if she pretended her insurance business was so successful.

Edited August 9 by ZettaK
Fixed Jeana Keough's name.

[Keywestclubkid]

Just throwing it out there 

I mean you guys she literally is STIL drinking while IN a diversion program AFTER driving drunk INTO a house and driving away .. that’s not normal.. Is Tamra an ass for being loud about it yes but JESUS someone needs to say it

[Keywestclubkid]

I’m not counting this as defending Tamra because I don’t like how she’s doing it .. just someone needs to do it cause it’s ridiculous at this point the coddling … I just wanted to point that out lol 

[QQQQ]

Each of Shannon's daughters is/was going to a college* with an annual cost of attendance north of $90,000. I imagine she and David split the costs, but I could also see her daughters having additional expenses beyond other typical college students (e.g. travel).

* Baylor, Parsons School of Design, Univ. of Southern California

[RealHousewife]

3 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Just throwing it out there 

I mean you guys she literally is STIL drinking while IN a diversion program AFTER driving drunk INTO a house and driving away .. that’s not normal.. Is Tamra an ass for being loud about it yes but JESUS someone needs to say it

100% agreed. Tamra needs to cool it. I don't believe in kicking friends, or anyone for that matter, when they're down. But I've thought Shannon had a problem with alcohol for years just watching the show. We've seen her be extremely drunk before. We've seen her sneak alcohol into parties. It's not like she had a normal relationship with alcohol prior to the DUI. If I drove drunk into a house, there is no way I would be drinking on TV shortly afterwards. I think that's something only an alcoholic would do. My heart goes out to Shannon. I think she probably needs something in between Tamra encouraging a pile-on and some of the others pretending there is no issue. 

[Keywestclubkid]

6 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

100% agreed. Tamra needs to cool it. I don't believe in kicking friends, or anyone for that matter, when they're down. But I've thought Shannon had a problem with alcohol for years just watching the show. We've seen her be extremely drunk before. We've seen her sneak alcohol into parties. It's not like she had a normal relationship with alcohol prior to the DUI. If I drove drunk into a house, there is no way I would be drinking on TV shortly afterwards. I think that's something only an alcoholic would do. My heart goes out to Shannon. I think she probably needs something in between Tamra encouraging a pile-on and some of the others pretending there is no issue. 

I think Tamra is just dumbfounded that the ladies are just pretending this is normal… you literally can’t make it through a diversion program and NOT drink? It’s what 30 days? Like something isn’t clicking and if it’s frustrating me as a viewer just watching I’m like how are these people WITH her acting like oh that’s fine let’s do drinks .. 

 

like what if god forbid sometime in the future she hurts someone from being drunk again and you were on camera with her encouraging her to drink AFTER knowing she just had an accident involving alcohol .. I wouldn’t be able to live with myself 

Edited August 9 by Keywestclubkid

[RealHousewife]

2 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I think Tamra is just dumbfounded that the ladies are just pretending this is normal… you literally can’t make it through a diversion program and NOT drink? It’s what 30 days? Like something isn’t clicking and if it’s frustrating me as a viewer just watching I’m like how are these people WITH her acting like oh that’s fine let’s do drinks .. 

Everyone here seems to think Tamra is going in hard on Shannon just being mean and due to drama for the show. Do you think it's possible one reason Tamra is so aggressive about the issue is because she's dealt with Shannon's drama for so many years? I like Shannon, but it sounds like she can be a high maintenance friend. For all her flaws, Tamra seems like she put a lot into that friendship. Maybe dealing with Shannon calling her drunk and upset so many times, the fact not even this DUI is enough get Shannon to stop drinking, in the words of her friend, Tamra is thinking "are you kidding me?" Like, what on earth will it take for Shannon to lay off the alcohol?

[Keywestclubkid]

5 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Everyone here seems to think Tamra is going in hard on Shannon just being mean and due to drama for the show. Do you think it's possible one reason Tamra is so aggressive about the issue is because she's dealt with Shannon's drama for so many years? I like Shannon, but it sounds like she can be a high maintenance friend. For all her flaws, Tamra seems like she put a lot into that friendship. Maybe dealing with Shannon calling her drunk and upset so many times, the fact not even this DUI is enough get Shannon to stop drinking, in the words of her friend, Tamra is thinking "are you kidding me?" Like, what on earth will it take for Shannon to lay off the alcohol?

I think it’s also self serving in a way and why she pulled out of the bar show they were doing .. think about it you now KNOW she drinks and drives you kNOW she has a hit and run from to much alcohol and you are on the road with her doing shots and drinking heavily. Now WHAT if she hurts someone after one of those shows who CAN be considered libel for her actions for counting to encourage that behavior AFTER the fact of knowing her history? Tamra is a smart cookie this is saving her ass more then it is Shannon’s I believe at the end of the day 

 

distance yourself from the behavior and from any association with her and alcohol 

Edited August 9 by Keywestclubkid

[RealHousewife]

1 minute ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I think it’s also self serving in a way and why she pulled out of the bar show they were doing .. think about it you now KNOW she drinks and drives you kNOW she has a hit and run from to much alcohol and you are on the road with her doing shots and drinking heavily. Now WHAT if she hurts someone after one of those shows who CAN be considered libel for her actions for counting to encourage that behavior AFTER the fact of knowing her history? Tamra is a smart cookie this is saving her ass more then it is Shannon’s I believe at the end of the day 

 

distance yourself from the behavior and from any association with her and alcohol 

Good point. I also wonder if production ever tries to stop these women from driving drunk and gets them rides home. 

[Keywestclubkid]

9 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Good point. I also wonder if production ever tries to stop these women from driving drunk and gets them rides home. 

I’m not saying that’s the real reason it just seems the most plausible especially with the way people can sue anyone and everyone even remotely attached to the person if they can be found to have enabled and or contributed to the actions that lead to the accident (that’s why they can go after bars and bartenders).. but maybe I watch to much ID and court tv lol 

 

I wonder how Bravo would protect themselves if she did hurt someone while filming or directly after filming for the show I don’t see how they couldn’t get sucked into it 

Edited August 9 by Keywestclubkid

[tranquilidade]

Tamara was smart to distance herself in that traveling show  if she felt Shannon might hurt someone but to scream and bang on the table in a public place was so over the top and so nasty that makes her wrong even if she had a chance to be right.  Tamara abuses alcohol on the show as well and behaves repulsively so she is not one to tell anyone what to do.  I think she was raging over the fact that Shannon brought Vicki to the dinner and because Shannon spoke badly  of Tamara off camera in social media.  All of their friendships are shallow and could be accurately defined as alliances so they shift like the desert sands.  Tamra doesn't care about anyone but herself. 

Telling someone to go into rehab often doesn't result in anything positive because a person needs to want rehab and be committed to it if there is going to be any chance of success.  Many people go through rehab multiple times before it has any long lasting effect.   A person pushed into it is unlikely to get anything out of it at all.  People suffering with addiction of any kind need to get to the point where they are ready to make a change so nothing anyone says on the show will likely help this situation.  The show also thrives on drunk behavior as all the drama and wild behavior stems from so  it is hypocritical for Tamra to scream at her about drinking when so much of the show happens as a result of it.  

Edited August 9 by tranquilidade

[Keywestclubkid]

6 minutes ago, tranquilidade said:

Tamara was smart to distance herself in that traveling show  if she felt Shannon might hurt someone but to scream and bang on the table in a public place was so over the top and so nasty that makes her wrong even if she had a chance to be right.  Tamara abuses alcohol on the show as well and behaves repulsively so she is not one to tell anyone what to do.  I think she was raging over the fact that Shannon brought Vicki to the dinner and because Shannon spoke badly  of Tamara off camera in social media.  All of their friendships are shallow and could be accurately defined as alliances so they shift like the desert sands.  Tamra doesn't care about anyone but herself. 

Telling someone to go into rehab often doesn't result in anything positive because a person needs to want rehab and be committed to it if there is going to be any chance of success.  Many people go through rehave multiple times before it has any long lasting effect.   A person pushed into it is unlikely to get anything out of it at all.  People suffering with addiction of any kind need to get to the point where they are ready to make a change so nothing anyone says on the show will likely help this situation.  The show also thrives on drunk behavior as all the drama and wild behavior stems from so  it is hypocritical for Tamra to scream at her about drinking when so much of the show happens as a result of it.  

And I 100% agree .. just no one else is saying anything and it’s CRAZy

[bosawks]

Heather definitely has some sort of Diet Coke endorsement thing going.

[Mountainair]

I may have misunderstood some things but I thought Shannon had to do a 30 day program but at the time of filming she had already completed it. 
 

And maybe I misheard but I could have sworn she told her dad that she had to buy a new car and put a breathalyzer in it. As in- she’d keep her current car and drive that if she was going out drinking but if she wasn’t going to drink she would drive the car with the breathalyzer. That was concerning to me but I may have heard wrong. 
 

My sister in law is in alcohol recovery and I struggle with my own alcohol issues so I do sympathize with Shannon and yelling at a person with a drinking problem is not going to help things. 

[Dixie Sugarbaker]

Alexis’ black confessional dress looked like something she would have worn if she was dating a member of Whitesnake and going with him to the 1988 VMAs. Johnny J must be a huge hair metal fan because her looks certainly have a trashy 80s vibe.

[ZettaK]

46 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Good point. I also wonder if production ever tries to stop these women from driving drunk and gets them rides home. 

Production provides vans (limos in the past) when the women attend events. But we see them driving their own cars, as well, especially when they meet one on one. 

[bosawks]

6 hours ago, dosodog said:

I count my blessings that it wasn't "Sexy Lexi" though...

I hate you for this.....

[Salacious Kitty]

16 minutes ago, Mountainair said:

I may have misunderstood some things but I thought Shannon had to do a 30 day program but at the time of filming she had already completed it. 
 

And maybe I misheard but I could have sworn she told her dad that she had to buy a new car and put a breathalyzer in it. As in- she’d keep her current car and drive that if she was going out drinking but if she wasn’t going to drink she would drive the car with the breathalyzer. That was concerning to me but I may have heard wrong. 
 

My sister in law is in alcohol recovery and I struggle with my own alcohol issues so I do sympathize with Shannon and yelling at a person with a drinking problem is not going to help things. 

Shannon didn't do an inpatient program. 

[ZettaK]

6 minutes ago, Mountainair said:

I may have misunderstood some things but I thought Shannon had to do a 30 day program but at the time of filming she had already completed it. 
 

And maybe I misheard but I could have sworn she told her dad that she had to buy a new car and put a breathalyzer in it. As in- she’d keep her current car and drive that if she was going out drinking but if she wasn’t going to drink she would drive the car with the breathalyzer. That was concerning to me but I may have heard wrong. 
 

My sister in law is in alcohol recovery and I struggle with my own alcohol issues so I do sympathize with Shannon and yelling at a person with a drinking problem is not going to help things. 

Shannon said on the show that she has to get a breathalyzer for her car. It was mentioned on the media, as well- it's part of the deal she had with the DA's office. Why does she even need to drive a car? She said she pushed (or rather her attorney) for a short outpatient program, and not rehab (because she is not an alcoholic- when her closest friends like Jeff Lewis say she is).  She even tried to avoid doing community service, but she eventually worked at her church's thrift store. 

Shannon tries to do what she did last season with John, and their relationship. She wanted to film a scene with her daughters at home (in a controlled environment) discussing her DUI briefly in the very beginning of the season, and nobody else mentioning it after that.  

[Cosmocrush]

2 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Everyone here seems to think Tamra is going in hard on Shannon just being mean and due to drama for the show. Do you think it's possible one reason Tamra is so aggressive about the issue is because she's dealt with Shannon's drama for so many years? I like Shannon, but it sounds like she can be a high maintenance friend. For all her flaws, Tamra seems like she put a lot into that friendship. Maybe dealing with Shannon calling her drunk and upset so many times, the fact not even this DUI is enough get Shannon to stop drinking, in the words of her friend, Tamra is thinking "are you kidding me?" Like, what on earth will it take for Shannon to lay off the alcohol?

That all could be true but screaming, "YOU'RE AN ALCOHOLIC" at Shannon in a restaurant only made Tamra look deranged, in my opinion.  

 

[Cosmocrush]

5 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

I read that Emily said the picture is behind a door in a closet somewhere and was never put up on the wall.  It's online in her own words.  She didn't seem to care either.

I don't think that photo was for Shane as much as it was for herself.  Emily has put a lot of work into her body and looks and feels great.  She wanted to memorialize that for herself.  Nothing wrong with that from where I sit.   😉

[Pi237]

I don’t think any of Tamra’s behavior stems from caring about Shannon, or her possibly hurting someone else or even frustration with her drunken calls etc because she’s had Years to block her number. She’s had years to set boundaries or unfriend her. I think Tamra’s just angry Shannon messed up her money with the Amigas tour. Yes, she could’ve still done it and chose to drop out, but I don’t think it was concern for anything more than knowing how bad it would come across after the arrest.  if she came from a caring place, she’d take her aside and talk to her look a human being. Shannon was trying to explain that she feels shame and embarrassment everyday for what she did, and Tamra wouldn’t let her finish a sentence without shouting ‘while you’re drinking!’ ‘While you’re drunk! She wants Shannon to feel like the lowest piece of crap on the sidewalk.  She wants her to cry and grovel and be completely humiliated. The DUI was just the excuse Tamra’s using to accomplish that goal.  
 

If the anger had come from anyone of the other women, I’d feel differently. But Tamra has shown her true colors too often for me to feel she can genuinely care about anyone but herself.

Shannon shouldn’t be drinking for a long while. I don’t think she has on the show yet, has she? Maybe that’s why the other women aren’t yelling at her. Or maybe they’re giving her some grace to figure her own stuff out. 

[SweetieDarling]

1 hour ago, Mountainair said:

And maybe I misheard but I could have sworn she told her dad that she had to buy a new car and put a breathalyzer in it. As in- she’d keep her current car and drive that if she was going out drinking but if she wasn’t going to drink she would drive the car with the breathalyzer. That was concerning to me but I may have heard wrong

i assumed the car involved in the accident was totaled (? I could be wrong) or it could have been leased. It wasn't drivable, which is why she was pretending to be walking Archie. She tried to drive away.

Was she expecting Daddy to pay for the new car with breathalyzer? It almost seemed that way by the way she presented it

Edited August 10 by SweetieDarling

[Thumper]

1 hour ago, Pi237 said:

I don’t think any of Tamra’s behavior stems from caring about Shannon, or her possibly hurting someone else or even frustration with her drunken calls etc because she’s had Years to block her number. She’s had years to set boundaries or unfriend her. I think Tamra’s just angry Shannon messed up her money with the Amigas tour. Yes, she could’ve still done it and chose to drop out, but I don’t think it was concern for anything more than knowing how bad it would come across after the arrest.  if she came from a caring place, she’d take her aside and talk to her look a human being. Shannon was trying to explain that she feels shame and embarrassment everyday for what she did, and Tamra wouldn’t let her finish a sentence without shouting ‘while you’re drinking!’ ‘While you’re drunk! She wants Shannon to feel like the lowest piece of crap on the sidewalk.  She wants her to cry and grovel and be completely humiliated. The DUI was just the excuse Tamra’s using to accomplish that goal.  
 

If the anger had come from anyone of the other women, I’d feel differently. But Tamra has shown her true colors too often for me to feel she can genuinely care about anyone but herself.

Shannon shouldn’t be drinking for a long while. I don’t think she has on the show yet, has she? Maybe that’s why the other women aren’t yelling at her. Or maybe they’re giving her some grace to figure her own stuff out. 

I am in total agreement with you about Tamra.  Shouting and screaming at Shannon in a public place is no way to handle this.  But it is SO Tamra.

I was going to try to watch this season despite Tamra, but I’m out after only seeing a portion of this episode.  Tamra is vile.  I’ll check here for your comments, though! 

[RealHousewife]

2 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

That all could be true but screaming, "YOU'RE AN ALCOHOLIC" at Shannon in a restaurant only made Tamra look deranged, in my opinion.  

I agree Tamra took it too far, but I wasn’t even shocked given all we’ve seen over the years. The way Tamra spoke only made most of us team Shannon, if we weren’t already.

[Pattycake2]

This episode was filmed four months after the DUI.  Now it’s been almost a year.  I haven’t read any articles mentioning Shannon being drunk, so maybe she has got a grip on herself for now.  In this article, and who knows if it’s real, Tamra reportedly says that her bowing out of the Tres Amigas was mostly for business reasons.  https://pagesix.com/2024/01/12/entertainment/tamra-judge-reveals-reason-behind-vicki-gunvalson-shannon-beador-feud/  

[Sweet-tea]

On 8/8/2024 at 8:55 PM, FlyingEgret said:

I noticed the weirdness of that look too - it was like her shoulders and chest plate were from a wax museum but everything above and below paid the price with additional wrinkles. Filter gone bad??

It almost looks like there is light fur on her arms. The outfit is not flattering. 

I noticed during the flashbacks that Alexis was prettier then. I think she even looked better before her nose job. Something happened with her lower face and chin. Maybe she had a chin implant taken out? I don't know but something looks off. The straight hair extensions aren't helping. Maybe the wavy hair she had before helped balance her face? 

Tamra was rude and overbearing about Shannon's drinking, especially in front of the group. That is not the approach you should use if you are concerned about someone. Tamrat was in full throttle. 

Shannon's plastic surgeon did a great job on her facelift. She looks good!

Emily didn't seem that pleased with the new ring from Shane. Subdued reaction. 

 

Edited August 10 by Sweet-tea

[Pi237]

I have to check myself a bit before I beat the drum too loudly for Shannon. After all, she treated Gina like crap after her DUI, and kept bringing up how she ‘saved her’ over and over in front of everyone and implied she was going to have her kids taken away (then denied it, of course)

I just go blind sometimes with my Tamra-hate, I go on auto pilot defending anyone that shrew targets.