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Dowel Jones
Dowel Jones

The JOC-offs need a break from his shouting once in awhile.

VegetasMom
VegetasMom

Yes, Jubal, you're acting like a lunatic in the JOC, let's give you a hot weapon and send you out on the street instead.  That makes much more sense than sending you off to go tend to your kid.  

Snazzy Daisy
Snazzy Daisy

Since this is a Tiff’s episode and not OA’s, Michael Landry’s military background and his PTSD weren’t highlighted. Totally get it, writers! 🙄 Scola is a good partner but Tiff doesn’t seem to app

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LadyChaos

LadyChaos

Saw an article where the show runners said they made the decision to change up the partnerships and Maggie and OA work with the other members more in s4 for a bit of a refresh (at least I think thats what they said), and I get that MP was pregnant in s4 so they were probably trying to minimize how much she was doing .... but honestly I like the dynamic between OA and Maggie, and I feel like its missing in a lot of s4 eps so far...but I'm only on episode 416.

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Xeliou66

Xeliou66

Pretty good episode - good investigation into the serial killer case, and I kept wondering if it would tie in with OA’s mugging but it didn’t, just some of the themes were similar. I liked the case and how there was a good role for most everyone, and I wondered who the killer would be, I thought it might be someone random that they hadn’t come across yet, but I didn’t think about it being an employee at the store.

While I like Maggie and miss her, I like Nina a lot as well and I like how the show is a true ensemble with no main character. I like seeing all of the agents working together.

Nice to see the ME, Neil, back again, plus they visited a forensics specialist, I like seeing minor characters like that.

Isobel was barely in this one.

I really liked the detective who dealt with OA’s mugging, he was a good character who did a good job, and I wondered if the reference to him being from the 27th precinct was an Easter egg for fans of Law and Order - as L&O fans know the detectives on that show are at the 27.

OA sometimes annoys me when he gets personal plots but he was actually okay this time and I was fine with how his story played out.

I called the weekly foot chase before it even happened and I knew the guy would be a red herring. 

This is a very good show that is in a nice rhythm - I’m curious as to how much longer Nina will be around and when Maggie will be back and how they deal with that. 

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LadyChaos

LadyChaos

4 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

This is a very good show that is in a nice rhythm - I’m curious as to how much longer Nina will be around and when Maggie will be back and how they deal with that. 

Not gonna comment on the rest of your post bc I haven't watched s5 yet.....but from my understanding MP started filming again mid-september.....so my guess is we'll probably see her back around 506-507.

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milkyaqua

milkyaqua

I also enjoyed this epi and how everyone interacted and liked seeing the other supporting characters and even the detective dealing with OA.  I figured the guy in the store was the killer as soon as he started stalling and getting smart.

I liked that OA was able to connect with the one victim and that he came to realize his own shortcomings in dealing with his assault.

I always appreciate when shows can actually take the bad guy into custody instead of always killing them like certain shows like to do.

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LadyChaos

LadyChaos

Just watched Tyler's 15th bday ep....and its just weird..... I mean I remember being 15....no one wanted birthday parties with streamers and party plates....and yeah, at that age I bet most of the invitees would've chosen going to a baseball game over a 'lame' birthday party....their 15-16, not 8....and honestly I kind of felt like that was how they were treating him. 

And I really get tired of this thing I see a lot nowadays in shows where one parent is intentionally keeping information about their kid from the other parent, and then gets angry when the other parent doesn't step too.....

I mean she moved the kids out to the new suburb and school 2-3 years ago...so if he doesn't have a lot of friends, its not a new development and she is just now telling Jubal Tyler is struggling? Or how about how Tyler had to have been sick for weeks, and she didn't tell Jubal until the day of the appointment with the specialist, and just expected him to be able to show up last minute. Tyler may have been putting on a brave face for his dad, but its her responsibility as the adult and parent to make sure the other parent knows whats going on.

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Snazzy Daisy

Snazzy Daisy

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S05•E04 - Victim

The moment they said they couldn’t find a purchase receipt of the handcuff, I knew the store employee is the killer.

I feel like slapping OA when he’s being a jerk to that detective, a bit condescending and uncooperative. 😣

I like Nina more than Tiffany. I find Tiff a bit snobbish at times.

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LadyChaos

LadyChaos

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On 10/12/2022 at 3:35 PM, SnazzyDaisy said:

The moment they said they couldn’t find a purchase receipt of the handcuff, I knew the store employee is the killer.

I feel like slapping OA when he’s being a jerk to that detective, a bit condescending and uncooperative. 😣

I like Nina more than Tiffany. I find Tiff a bit snobbish at times.

I think OA is used to being the strong one....in an earlier episode he said his father died young and he felt responsible for his mother and 3 sisters, not to mention he was a Army Ranger before the FBI.....he wants to minimize his trauma to make it manageable for himself so he doesn't have to admit he was a victim...plus that woman laughed at him and called him a demeaning expletive and told him 'Next time a woman comes up to you, keep walking' after the guy had him on the ground. Its easy to stand on the sidelines and say what he should have done or how he should have behaved. ...and having the people around him that know keep telling him what he should do and how he should feel, does not help.

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He has 3 sisters, not 4.
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LadyChaos

LadyChaos

2 minutes ago, MerBearHou said:

I really, really enjoy her as Nina on FBI.  Wish there was a plan for her to stay.

If they are planning on continuing the relationship with Scola and Nina....my guess is that she'll be around in some capacity....more than Mona was, but less than Nestor was in the eps he was in. But I think someone said that she is only confirmed for a total of 9 episodes. Which would indicate that next weeks episode might be her last as a major character.

Also, FBI has been renewed for season 6 already.

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Netfoot

Netfoot

6 hours ago, milkyaqua said:

I figured the guy in the store was the killer as soon as he started stalling and getting smart.

Me too. but I have to say I don't like the trope that anyone who chooses not to cooperate with the FBI is automatically a bad person and can expect to be maltreated by the Feds until he can be beat up and thrown in jail! The FBI are lowlifes and I certainly would not cooperate with them without the appropriate warrants being presented. 

2 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

I like Nina more than Tiffany. I find Tiff a bit snobbish at times.

If by "at times" you mean "always" then we are in agreement.

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LadyChaos

LadyChaos

1 hour ago, catrice2 said:

I honestly hope the show doesn't go the way of romantic relationships and keep it about the work....whether it is Maggie and OA or Scola and the new person.  Who really cares?  I was already annoyed by Jubal's girlfriend and Maggie's boyfriend and they were not in the "core" group. 

Im under the impression that tptb started the show out with the intention of OA and Maggie being endgame.

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LadyChaos

LadyChaos

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Rewatching s1 after a tough day...and on the episode PREY....Maggie tells Hailey 1 in 5 women are SA'd......later OA asks her if its really 1 in 5, and says he has 3 sisters and a mother is it really 1 in 5...and he's giving her this look as she says yes that it really is 1 in 5 .....and it feels like he is looking at her wondering between her, his mother, and his sisters...who was assaulted and he doesn't know....Personally, I'm shocked its only 1 in 5, I would've thought it would've been more than that.

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WendyCR72

WendyCR72

On 10/12/2022 at 10:08 PM, LadyChaos said:

I have to be honest....its so weird to me that a show that has the highest ratings for its time slot on broadcast television....there's really not much of an online presence in forums, reddit, sm....How come this show doesn't have its own forum on PT?

Not enough traffic to justify a full forum. Hence the thread.

LadyChaos

LadyChaos

Maybe Im just getting old...but in s1 OA sister pushes her way into an investigation and slams OA for refusing to let her help...so she does it anyway.... then in s5 with Tyler trying to get involved and talk to his friend behind his dad's back.....both times, OA and Jubal apologized and called them brave and heroes and told them they saved lives.....and I'm like no...No, their stupid. Their stupid teenagers, who put themselves in dangerous situations...they both need to be grounded, not rewarded for making a dangerous situation worse because they didn't listen and thought they knew better.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

On 10/12/2022 at 10:08 PM, LadyChaos said:

I have to be honest....its so weird to me that a show that has the highest ratings for its time slot on broadcast television....there's really not much of an online presence in forums, reddit, sm....How come this show doesn't have its own forum on PT?

Last season this thread used up 6 pages, so, at 50 posts per page for 21 episodes, the roughly 306 posts = 14 posts per episode. 

I do wonder if there would be more posts per episode if there were separate threads.
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LadyChaos

LadyChaos

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12 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Last season this thread used up 6 pages, so, at 50 posts per page for 21 episodes, the roughly 306 posts = 14 posts per episode. 

I do wonder if there would be more posts per episode if there were separate threads.
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I feel like there are a lot of people who don't see a main forum so assume there isn't a thread. I only found it cause I hit search.

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amarante

amarante

On 10/12/2022 at 7:08 PM, LadyChaos said:

I have to be honest....its so weird to me that a show that has the highest ratings for its time slot on broadcast television....there's really not much of an online presence in forums, reddit, sm....How come this show doesn't have its own forum on PT?

Doesn't seem weird to me because this is a very straight forward by the book procedural for the most part.

What is there to discuss as there isn't that much depth or nuance.

This isn't a show like Succession which has nuances or even a truly trashfastic show like one of the Housewives show or Kardashians.

Truly what is there to discuss about most of the episodes? 

Also I imagine that the show skews older in terms of demographics as much of the CBS programming does and that is the demographic that is probably least likely to go online to discuss shows.

shapeshifter

shapeshifter

47 minutes ago, amarante said:

Doesn't seem weird to me because this is a very straight forward by the book procedural for the most part.

What is there to discuss as there isn't that much depth or nuance.

This isn't a show like Succession which has nuances or even a truly trashfastic show like one of the Housewives show or Kardashians.

Truly what is there to discuss about most of the episodes? 

Also I imagine that the show skews older in terms of demographics as much of the CBS programming does and that is the demographic that is probably least likely to go online to discuss shows.

But most (if not all) of the shows similar to how you describe this one have full forums, including the Law & Order shows, the NCIS shows, the CSI shows, the 9-1-1 shows, etc. etc.
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Dowel Jones

Dowel Jones

6 hours ago, amarante said:

Truly what is there to discuss about most of the episodes? 

Exposition of crime and explanation for FBI's involvement - check

Personal drama within the agency personnel - check

ID suspect in war room through judicious subversion of civil rights - check

Accost suspect in street, resulting in weekly chase and apprehension - check

Suspect is not the right guy - check

More work by the muppets in the war room - check

Real suspect that all the audience picks out immediately - check

Arrest or sometimes a killin' - check

Final valedictory - check

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illdoc

illdoc

17 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Last season this thread used up 6 pages, so, at 50 posts per page for 21 episodes, the roughly 306 posts = 14 posts per episode. 

I do wonder if there would be more posts per episode if there were separate threads.

Originally, FBI did have a forum/separate threads per episode and each episode got, maybe, a dozen posts. When FBI: Most Wanted came along, it had a forum/separate threads and each thread got a half dozen posts. Shortly thereafter, both FBI and FBI:MW were moved into threads. FBI: International was created as just a thread.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

9 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

More work by the muppets in the war room - check

Maybe if the FBI franchise adds actual muppets, we’ll get full forums?

Apparently there’s Sam Eagle Muppet, who:

  • “In Muppets Most Wanted, Sam plays a substantial role as a CIA agent, assigned to stop an elaborate crime spree by Constantine and Dominic Badguy (working somewhat grudgingly at first with Interpol operative Jean Pierre Napoleon).”  
    https://muppet.fandom.com/wiki/Sam_the_Eagle

I know CIA ≠ FBI, but it seems Sam Eagle might want to work with the FBI too.😉

Xeliou66

Xeliou66

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On 10/12/2022 at 7:26 PM, catrice2 said:

I honestly hope the show doesn't go the way of romantic relationships and keep it about the work....whether it is Maggie and OA or Scola and the new person.  Who really cares?  I was already annoyed by Jubal's girlfriend and Maggie's boyfriend and they were not in the "core" group. 

I also hope the show doesn’t go the way of romantic relationships and I like how for the most part this show stays away from that and focuses on the cases - I don’t want this show to go the route of Dick Wolf’s Chicago soap opera shows. And I don’t think they will go that route with the main characters, and I don’t really sense romantic chemistry between any of the main characters.

I was very annoyed with Maggie’s douchebag boyfriend Nestor and I’m glad he didn’t last long, and while Rina was fine in her first episode as a character that gave some insight into Jubal’s past, when they made her a recurring character and had her and Jubal start seeing each other again that was a mistake, she was just unlikable then and I was glad when she bit the dust. I’m not sure where they are going with Scola and Nina, again it was fine when they revealed in Nina’s first episode that they hooked up once in the past, but I don’t get why they had them start sleeping together again in episode 2 and I don’t really sense a lot of romantic chemistry there. It also makes me curious as to how they will get rid of Nina when Maggie returns, I like Nina and I hope they don’t kill her off, she could be a good recurring character to pop back in in the future, but I’m afraid they will go the dramatic route and kill her off.

On 10/13/2022 at 10:14 PM, LadyChaos said:

After next weeks episode, there is a break...the next episode won't air until 11/8.

Episode 6 will actually air in a special time slot on the Sunday night of November 6, November 8 is Election Day so it will be off that night and then the show will return with new episodes on Tuesdays starting November 15 I believe.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

"Flopped Cop" 5.3: 

  • "A wealthy accountant is gunned down after secretly testifying against a notorious drug lord, leading the team to get Tiffany to ask for help from a friend formerly part of the NYPD, and a relative to the drug lord as well."

That was a lot.

Early on Jubal remarks:

  • "It's like I always say: Never trust your dermatologist's assistant"

   ???

So I guess CBS doesn't censor "prick"?

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

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45 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Early on Jubal remarks:

  • "It's like I always say: Never trust your dermatologist's assistant"

   ???

16 minutes ago, Maverick said:

 The grand juror that tipped off the crime lord about his being indicted worked for his dermatologist.  Hence Jubal's wise crack.

Yeah, I caught the reference, it was just that "never" was a weird generalization, like maybe his ex-wife is a dermatologist's assistant too?

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MerBearHou

MerBearHou

I actually loved Jubal’s crack about the very specific dermatologist’s assistant reference — I say offbeat things like that too sometimes.  I thought he was being subtly funny.  

Wonder where that other tech person was that we often see / can’t remember her name / the very thin woman who was almost blown up?

Good episode, I thought.  Tiffany, for being so so so serious and stern, can come across as too trusting and naive when it comes to those she knows.  As a highly trained FBI agent, I would have thought she would “read” Ralphie and his mental state better and would have tried to protect him from getting too close to the flame.  

I did love that, for once, they announced “FBI” when they were standing 1 foot in front of and behind the perp.  Finally.  

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Xeliou66

Xeliou66

Another good episode - nothing too out of the ordinary, but an enjoyable episode still. Good investigative work by everyone in investigating and building the case.

I knew Ralphie was going to cause problems, I just didn’t know how. He made his own choices though, it wasn’t the FBI’s fault, he was just a troubled guy who finally snapped, I didn’t blame the FBI for using him as an informant, he did fine at it actually, but he just couldn’t keep his emotions in check and wanted to avenge his brother. His ending was tragic but it was of his own making.

Good use of everyone tonight - it was Tiffany/Scola centric and I like their episodes, but everyone got a nice role. Jubal had some good lines, I loved some of his offbeat wisecracks, and Jubal and his room of agents/analysts are my favorite part of the show. And Isobel got to get out of the office and talk to the US Attorney. And I liked how all 4 main field agents showed up at the crime scene and were in the field together some.

This show is really in a nice rhythm right now, it’s my favorite of the 3 FBI’s and I will miss it while it’s off for a few weeks. Solid episode.

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LadyChaos

LadyChaos

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2 hours ago, catrice2 said:

I love any episode that OA is not featured. He is fine for the show, just not as a focus character 

OA's my favorite character so I'll respectfully disagree.

I like the new analyst...at least I don't remember him before now. I wish we would see more of Ian Lim too. 

Not a fan of Nina though, she was pretty rough on the widow right off the bat.

Scola: We need to pick him up....for all the times he didn't keep to himself. LOL!

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shrewd.buddha

shrewd.buddha

Are this show's writers trying to make the FBI look bad?
Tiffany enlists a guy that is very clearly a loose-cannon.  Scola lies to back up her support.
They later find loose-cannon guy about to kill the bad drug-runner guy.
"We can't let you kill anyone!"
... the FBI ends up killing both men within about a minute.
... but they feel bad about 'having' to do it over drinks that night.  

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

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30 minutes ago, shrewd.buddha said:

They later find loose-cannon guy about to kill the bad drug-runner guy.
"We can't let you kill anyone!"
... the FBI ends up killing both men within about a minute.

We've probably all heard/read countless times that armed forces are trained to shoot at the center of mass (heart)――
but given the seemingly interminable length of time our Fibbies Tiff and Scola had to think about the likelihood of having to shoot Ralphie and/or El Feo――
and given that they regularly do target practice――
it seems Tiff could have at least this once shot the gun out of Ralphie's hand, or really, shot him anywhere non-fatal to just throw off Ralphie's aim at El Feo. 

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But then I guess El Feo would have killed Ralphie????

Sure, that would have been "against protocol," but, really?
I mean, don't they routinely go against protocol when the situation warrants?
I guess the moral of the story is: helping your down-on-is-luck friend get a job at your work place means you might have to kill him????

And same with Scola. 
Or doesn't El Feo have any information worthy of shooting him in, oh, I don't know, the liver?

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LadyChaos

LadyChaos

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1 hour ago, Trey said:

Every time an agent is personally involved they seem to lose all common sense.  Tiffany should have noticed Ralphie's emotional state and that it might cause problems.

Still, I thought it was a pretty good episode.

She knew, she just felt like she owed him.

30 minutes ago, shrewd.buddha said:

Are this show's writers trying to make the FBI look bad?
Tiffany enlists a guy that is very clearly a loose-cannon.  Scola lies to back up her support.
They later find loose-cannon guy about to kill the bad drug-runner guy.
"We can't let you kill anyone!"
... the FBI ends up killing both men within about a minute.
... but they feel bad about 'having' to do it over drinks that night.  

ehh.....this show is following a very loose interpretation of what the FBI is..... I mean Rima would've been severely censured for being in a relationship with Jubal.....SWAT can't break down the door of every suspect.(Can you imagine all those complaints for innocent victims demanding to know who was going to fix their door?)...wire taps placed by informants are still illegal...having informants gather evidence for them would be grounds for evidence not being able to be submitted for trial....All of them would've been put on immediate paid leave at even a whiff of personal involvement in a case...

It's a drama....emphasis on the DRAMA. LOL!

ETA: OH! There was also that episode where OA and Maggie illegally broke into a restaurant to get security footage...

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Dowel Jones

Dowel Jones

2 hours ago, shrewd.buddha said:

Are this show's writers trying to make the FBI look bad?

Why would you think that?  I mean, you have an identified killer in possession of at least a shotgun hiding out in a halfway house, why bother with a SWAT team?  Just send two agents from the Ressler school of perimeter control to let him go hog wild as he runs off.  /s

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LadyChaos

LadyChaos

25 minutes ago, shrewd.buddha said:

It does amuse me every time the FBI SWAT team shows up in tactical gear from head to foot. But the 'star' FBI team members are at the head of charge, with only their FBI vest .. because you gotta get that face time... 

They're wearing the best kind of armor....Plot armor..... but I always laugh when its clear they paid literally no mind to the extras used for SWAT because of the times the beer bellies were hanging out below their vests....

With as much as they use SWAT on this show, they should just have regular cast members for it.

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LadyChaos

LadyChaos

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1 hour ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Not a fan on this Flopped Cop episode.

Maggie will be back by 5x06 right?

Please come back soon… 😩

She is definitely back for 507, but nothing is said officially for 506....My guess, is if she is, its just a minute or two since 506 is supposed to be very Scola/Nina focused and the stills released so far don't have Maggie in them. So most likely she isn't in 506. Personally I cannot wait to have my A team (Maggie/OA) back.

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