S06.E10: Sex, Lies, and Videotape

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Things get kinky with Gino and Jasmine; Amanda thinks Razvan is using her; Statler reveals her intentions to Dempsey's dad; Tyray gets ready to meet the real Carmella; Meisha and Nicola try to work things out; Cleo's trust in Christian is shaken.
 

First look: 8/4/23

Full Episode: 8/6/23

[greekmom]

So according to Cleo they had sex. According the Christian they got to ... 2nd base?! (He said they hit a double and I don't get that baseball term.)

I'm thinking Cleo just gave him the beejee.

I really dislike Amanda. I honestly feel that she lead Razavan on.

[Raja]

17 minutes ago, greekmom said:

So according to Cleo they had sex. According the Christian they got to ... 2nd base?! (He said they hit a double and I don't get that baseball term.)

I'm thinking Cleo just gave him the beejee.

I really dislike Amanda. I honestly feel that she lead Razavan on.

You got the baseball correct, the question becomes is there a new scale to account for oral and anal sex.

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I think they had intercourse but he feels ashamed/embarrassed about it for his own weird reasons so he will not admit it publicly.

[Shrek]

I think he would benefit immensely from a good hard kick in the nuts.

[Gobi]

3 hours ago, Raja said:

You got the baseball correct, the question becomes is there a new scale to account for oral and anal sex.

I’ve seen oral called third base. I don’t know about anal - Bunt? Dugout? Foul? Maybe end zone but that’s football.

[Quof]

Ground rule double.

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40 minutes ago, Gobi said:

I’ve seen oral called third base. I don’t know about anal - Bunt? Dugout? Foul? Maybe end zone but that’s football.

Definitely involves pitchers and catchers.

[Raja]

1 hour ago, Gobi said:

I’ve seen oral called third base. 

In that case what was a classic triple is now a ground rule double. But then I remember a Joan Rivers comedy bit when in her pre Deep Throat world where oral sex would be beyond just a homerun and in the  walk off grand slam to win the pennant territory 

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24 minutes ago, Raja said:

In that case what was a classic triple is now a ground rule double. But then I remember a Joan Rivers comedy bit when in her pre Deep Throat world where oral sex would be beyond just a homerun and in the  walk off grand slam to win the pennant territory 

Yeah I definitely have friends who get sex on the regular but their women aren’t into oral and so of course they want what they can’t have.

[judylo]

I’m old. In my day, second base was petting (!) above the waist, third was petting below the waist, and a home run was intercourse. (First was kissing.)

[SunnyBeBe]

Will this episode be on live thread at 8 tonight? 

[Shrek]

5 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Will this episode be on live thread at 8 tonight? 

8pm ET, 5pm PST. Here, 90DF Live Chat 3: I Gave Up Everything To Be Here - Page 1268 

 

Edited August 6, 2023 by Shrek

[Gobi]

5 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Will this episode be on live thread at 8 tonight? 

Should be.

[SunnyBeBe]

My chart says this episode at 8.  Thanks. 

[judylo]

Hi everyone! 

[TwirlyGirly]

Last night (early this morning) I finally watched the 30 minute preview of tonight's episode, and because the topic for tonight's show hadn't been created yet (and I was too sleepy to think "You know, you can just create it yourself"), I created a post about Amanda and Razvan — and Amanda claiming that Razvan had always wanted to live in the U. S. was a "red flag" — and put it in the topic for last week's episode:

Now I want to add: Razvan's friend Diane has Amanda pegged. I'm so glad Razvan has someone in his corner looking out for him.

I wasn't at all surprised when Amanda immediately thought Diane had a thing for Razvan rather than looking at her own behavior and how what she says and her facial expressions/body language when she's with Razvan speaks volumes about what she's really thinking when they're together.

She keeps talking about having to protect herself and her kids - which of course is valid - but she doesn't have the right to stomp all over Razvan's heart and his feelings while doing it. 

[Adeejay]

If I had a dollar for every person who thought about coming or moving to the United States, I wouldn't be sitting here on the internet.  Why does Amanda see this as a red flag?  Seems to me that Razvan can do so much better than her and I have a feeling he will.

Christian doesn’t want anyone to know he’d been intimate with a trans woman.  So, I can’t help but wonder what he thought was going to happen when he got to London.  Visit Buckingham Palace and Big Ben?  If he doesn’t want his friends and family to think he might be gay, perhaps it wasn’t a good idea to do the show.

 

[anoninrva]

On 8/5/2023 at 10:02 AM, greekmom said:

So according to Cleo they had sex. According the Christian they got to ... 2nd base?! (He said they hit a double and I don't get that baseball term.)

I'm thinking Cleo just gave him the beejee.

I really dislike Amanda. I honestly feel that she lead Razavan on.

I'm thinking it was just oral, and to Christian, as a straight man, that's not sex.  It's odd with how *selectively* graphic this show is now, but this plot point seems to depend on ambiguity.. 

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52 minutes ago, anoninrva said:

I'm thinking it was just oral, and to Christian, as a straight man, that's not sex.  It's odd with how *selectively* graphic this show is now, but this plot point seems to depend on ambiguity.. 

Jasmine and the golden shower.  It’s like each week they try to push the boundaries further.  Maybe fisting next week?

[anoninrva]

7 minutes ago, MrBuhBye said:

Jasmine and the golden shower.  It’s like each week they try to push the boundaries further.  Maybe fisting next week?

I could extrapolate with Satler and her interests, but I'd really rather not..

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Were they drinking grape soda with their fish and chips or were the cans just purple?  

[Craigcodybazhate]

Why do they spend so much camera show on Statler I don’t care. And I know she wasn’t in the show in the first few episodes but damn every week???? Isn’t there like a rule if you’re on the show for most of the episode you aren’t on next week???? 
 

saw that with Riley. Tyree Meisha Jasmine like whoa really all this even Cleo. 
 

Like why all this. Most of the episode was them i fast forward then nothing for the juicy stuff. 
 

TLC really? No Tyre or Cleo 

 

what the fuck we watching this episode for. 
 

Gino stuff was cool. Episode nothing to see here Mid. 
 

Then next week more Statler and Dempsey. I’m just gonna call this the Statler show. 
 

Chris what a piece of shit not surprising. I was like oh he had sex with her. Nope more transphobia more trans trauma. You didn’t have sex with me. Yes we did. No it was just second base. 
 

This dude has a self hatred for himself. Trans hatred. I said it last week in here last episode. And Cleo said exactly what I said. He’s ashamed of her. 
 

Secretly he couldn’t wait to go over there and have sex with her. But air quotes on the Camera he wants her to make the first move. What a fraud. 
 

Tyre was the most enjoyable part of the show. Boy I root for this guy. I was screaming fuck me fuck me when he bought the gift. Don’t buy her a gift. Are you kidding me????? She’s an escort

 

Tyre no matter how many guys she’s smashed. She’s still my Carmela. This guy is one of the best TLC characters on the show. 
 

Amanda nothing to see there. You’re shocked a guy with his  shirt off online making pancakes wants a green card and wants to come to America. 
 

Come on Now!!!!!!!!! On to Pillow Talk. 

Edited August 7, 2023 by Craigcodybazhate

[bravofan27]

I'm glad they are showing Gino and Jasmine getting along. I think they have cute personalities.

Amanda and her smirking and covering her mouth with her hands at everything must be a nervous thing. Razvan telling Amanda that his mom would like her because he would bring her to America was a dumb move. He thought this would console her that his mom would like her, but it just came off as shady. And she did explain that to him, but he didn't get it. 

I was glad to see her eat something, because she seems to be starving herself.

Cleo looks almost exactly like my 12-year old niece. I sort of wish I could post a picture-- it's like the exact same face. 

I'm not sure what Cleo sees in Christian. And somehow she thinks they made love-- or at least she said that, though her face and Christian's face and explanation didn't excude any sort of happiness. And Christain said they didn't have sex. I sort of feel like it is Cleo that is lying, but I'm not sure why. I'm also not sure why Cleo being trans is that big of a deal-- like excusing Christian because he hasn't been with a trans woman before. He knows Cleo, and what to expect. He needs to catch up and stop using it as an excuse to be weird and emotionally unavailable, IMO.

[Craigcodybazhate]

Shit maybe Cleo Pegged Chris who knows. Maybe Chris went down on Cleo and guy with woman we would think that’s oral he’s ashamed because he gave her oral and it was on her man parts. 
 

like I said Chris is a bottom. That’s his version of sexual arousal. He told us that when he likes the woman to make the first move. He wants a woman trans a man to grab him pin him down and be aggressive with him. 
 

his second base was him going down on her. He’s ashamed because he doesn’t want it seeming like he’s not a man for liking this. 
 

He needs to get his shit together with himself. And talk to Cleo about not wanting to talk about sex. Nothing wrong about being discreet let your mate know. Keep it coy they were just intimate. 
 

but to be honest he should’ve never been on the show. 

[Chalby]

Well, color me shocked! Christian and Cleo had sex? I'm in shock. I'm glad to hear he ended up showing her something, because I did not see any chemistry between them when he was sitting there telling her he wants girls to make the first move.

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Christian is like Pauly Shore with a shaved head.

[Cementhead]

8 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

Amanda and her smirking and covering her mouth with her hands at everything must be a nervous thing.

Along with her constantly running her hands down the sides of her face to make sure her little side pieces of hair are perfectly smooth and in place.  In the dinner scene at the restaurant she literally just went back and forth with the hand over mouth move to playing with her hair. 

She is too hyper aware of the cameras and how she looks for me to care much about her and her 'story line' aside from the death of her husband and kids.  She should have just stuck to Instragram because there's not much 'there' there apart from the pretty exterior that she is so very constantly aware of.

[Scarlett45]

I don’t see any reason why Cleo would lie @bravofan27. I don’t like Christian, I think he’s playing with her emotions and he’s not a nice person. I also think Christian isn’t comfortable with himself and see Cleo as an “experiment” not a real human being with feelings and desires of their own. 

[Gobi]

Not supporting Christian but if his idea of “doubles” was mutual handys, he might not consider that to be sex while Cleo does. To him, sex might mean penetration of some sort (including oral).

[Scarlett45]

36 minutes ago, Gobi said:

Not supporting Christian but if his idea of “doubles” was mutual handys, he might not consider that to be sex while Cleo does. To him, sex might mean penetration of some sort (including oral).

The baseball euphemisms have never made much sense to me and are very heteronormative, you have a point though. This is why people should COMMUNICATE in a relationship. Just the entire way he talked about the entire experience, I’m team Cleo for the record. 

Im team Cleo because I see her to be the more emotionally invested of the two and Christian is not being a straight shooter- same reason I’m team Razvan. 

[Tango64]

Not a fan of Christian, but .... A lot of straight or bi men go through what Christian is experiencing -- the curiosity about men and transwomen, wondering if it's more than curiosity, wanting to explore and experiment, not sure if he really wants what he thinks he wants, bumbling in communicating, hesitant to make a first move, anxious about what it means about himself and his identity, etc. 

But most of them don't bring along a camera crew. What on earth was he thinking?

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Wouldn’t it be cool if Cleo’s Christian was also Tyray’s Christian?

[greekmom]

Taking a page from @Drogo 

Cleo:

Christian:

Gino/Jasmine:

 

Razavan/Amanda:

Tyray:

Meisha/Nicola:

[Chalby]

On 8/6/2023 at 9:02 PM, bravofan27 said:

I'm not sure what Cleo sees in Christian. And somehow she thinks they made love-- or at least she said that, though her face and Christian's face and explanation didn't excude any sort of happiness. And Christain said they didn't have sex. I sort of feel like it is Cleo that is lying, but I'm not sure why.

I agree, I'm totally over the trans discussions. Cleo covered that with the first episode, we all know now, and she's a beautiful woman so shut up about the trans adjective.

As usual, I posted before I've watched the whole show. So Christian is saying they did not have sex? (Maybe they just played around and did oral and Cleo considers that sexual intimacy, as do I, but maybe Christian figures it's not.)

All I know is they should be on the same page, and if Christian is not... HE just needs to quit wasting her time. There are many others who would love to be with Cleo.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Chalby

[Craigcodybazhate]

4 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I don’t see any reason why Cleo would lie @bravofan27. I don’t like Christian, I think he’s playing with her emotions and he’s not a nice person. I also think Christian isn’t comfortable with himself and see Cleo as an “experiment” not a real human being with feelings and desires of their own. 

I think Cleo is not lying. This could’ve been Oral. Where he doesn’t see it as Sex. I will point out to you Cleo mentioned to her homegirl about her Male Parts and Chris being accepting to them. It was something like he wasn’t awkward which leads me to think there was some kind of touching. 
 

so you can see where a Transwoman would interpret that as Sex but a man like Chris wouldn’t. 

This episode why why?????????? Are they talking about Golden Showers???? So Jasmine went full on R Kelly on Gino. Damn they really had to say that. It was all splash waterfalls. 

[Craigcodybazhate]

7 minutes ago, Chalby said:

I agree, I'm totally over the trans discussions. Cleo covered that with the first episode, we all know now, and she's a beautiful woman so shut up about the trans adjective.

As usual, I posted before I've watched the whole show. So Christian is saying they did not have sex? (Maybe they just played around and did oral and Cleo considers that sexual intimacy, as do I, but maybe Christian figures it's not.)

All I know is they should be on the same page, and if Christian is not... HE just??s@ needs to quit wasting her time. There are many others who would love to be with Cleo.

Guarantee lights were turned out and Chris went down on Cleo. Chris said second base. What’s that???? 
 

He gave her a Blowjob. He’s embarrassed to tell crew. 
 

Cleo doesn’t look like a top. This might be the reverse of Valentin when they were both tops and couldn’t perform sexually and had to give each other handjobs. Maybe they are both bottoms.  
 

She also could’ve used a toy on him and stimulated him like that and gave him a handjob and she could’ve seen that as sex. 
 

I don’t think she could’ve topped him she doesn’t look comfortable doing that. And I don’t think he topped her cause I just don’t think he’s a top. 
 

This is a very problematic thing. Cause it’s like she’s telling everyone he had sex with her and he’s like no he didn’t. When you’re a dude you better and I mean better know when you have sex with a woman. That’s a big deal. And I don’t care what anyone says. When a woman allows you to do that. That’s a big deal. It’s big for her and who cares if you don’t think it’s a big deal. It’s a big deal for her. 
 

If she was sexual don’t fuck around with her. Why would she lie???? What’s the benefit???? She could get any guy in London to fuck her. This is Chris having issues with himself. 
 

im thinking now Chris had full on Gay sex with that guy in College. 

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27 minutes ago, Craigcodybazhate said:

Jasmine went full on R Kelly on Gino.

I was thinking about someone else who reportedly likes them but we aren’t supposed to get into certain people here.

[bichonblitz]

So tired of Amanda's resting bitch face. So what if Razvan wants to come to America. He seems to truly love Amanda, has been kind and patient with her and all she does is shit all over him. 

I think Gino is truly shy and embarrassed about his sex life being displayed on TV. Then again, why be on TV? 

Pretty sure Chris doesn't consider it full on sex unless he (or his partner) "gets it in". Reading between the lines, it's clear they had oral and yeah, he's embarrassed for what ever reason to admit he sucked a dick. Poor Cleo. She's so nice and no fake shit with her. She just wants a genuine partner. Her friend is lovely. Cleo is lucky to have her. 

[greekmom]

59 minutes ago, Craigcodybazhate said:

This episode why why?????????? Are they talking about Golden Showers???? Damn they really had to say that. It was all splash waterfalls. 

I feel bad for the clean up crew of that hot tub and the people who use it next. You know they won't fully drain it and refill it.

Just nasty.

[Craigcodybazhate]

31 minutes ago, greekmom said:

I feel bad for the clean up crew of that hot tub and the people who use it next. You know they won't fully drain it and refill it.

Just nasty.

Makes you just be disgusted of shit that goes on in hotels people pissing in jacuzzis. 

1 hour ago, MrBuhBye said:

I was thinking about someone else who reportedly likes them but we aren’t supposed to get into certain people here.

Just watch Dave Chappelle. Chappelle show season 1. 

[Drogo]

In case you missed the episode (because you were in the bathroom gagging over Gino's bean dip or bean whip), here's a quick visual recap!

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TYRAY: 

CARMELLA: 

 

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AMANDA:

RAZVAN: 

 

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STATLER: 

DEMPSEY: 

DEMPSEY'S DAD: 

 

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MEISHA: 

NICOLA:

 

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JASMINE: 

GINO: 

 

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CLEO:

CHRISTIAN: 

 

[Craigcodybazhate]

Carmela is going to be Riley in Drag lol!!!!!!!!!! 
 

Riley will come out the door. 

Edited August 7, 2023 by Craigcodybazhate

[Drogo]

15 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

And somehow she thinks they made love-- or at least she said that, though her face and Christian's face and explanation didn't excude any sort of happiness. And Christain said they didn't have sex. I sort of feel like it is Cleo that is lying, but I'm not sure why. I'm also not sure why Cleo being trans is that big of a deal-- like excusing Christian because he hasn't been with a trans woman before. He knows Cleo, and what to expect. He needs to catch up and stop using it as an excuse to be weird and emotionally unavailable, IMO.

First I need to say I find neither person in this couple likeable in the least.  Huge miss for me, casting wise.  

And while they both strike me as wannabes/posers and completely inauthentic about nearly everything either of them says... I feel like they were both telling the truth here originally. 

Sure one or both could have cleared this all up for production by flat out describing exactly what happened during sexytimes, but neither did.  I think that's fine?  Frankly if Christian were in the kitchen being sloppy with Cleo's not-nearly-enough-for-2 egg carton and spitting "Yeah I [action]ed her [body part] and she finished me off with a [object] in the [orifice], so you could say we hit a few bases" I would think he was a total dirtbag and tear him a new asshole today (via GIF, of course.)  And I wouldn't like Cleo much for doing the same if she had gone into the private details on camera. 

I'm going to disagree with Cleo's assertion that Christian's a gaslighter (a word that gets thrown around a lot when two people disagree about something) or that he's trying to keep their relationship a secret and hide her because she's trans and disabled.  He's on fucking television, Cleo.  He'd have to be the Wile E. Coyote of transphobe ableists to drop this large of an anvil on himself. 

 

[Natalie68]

1 hour ago, greekmom said:

I feel bad for the clean up crew of that hot tub and the people who use it next. You know they won't fully drain it and refill it.

Just nasty.

Haven't watched yet and I ff through their scenes.  Did she really pee on him???

[Drogo]

2 hours ago, greekmom said:

Taking a page from @Drogo 

(*But good job.  I'll leave it to you in my will.) 

[Gobi]

9 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Haven't watched yet and I ff through their scenes.  Did she really pee on him???

Yes. Yes, she did.

[Craigcodybazhate]

55 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Haven't watched yet and I ff through their scenes.  Did she really pee on him???

Yes. 

[Breedom]

16 hours ago, Craigcodybazhate said:

Why do they spend so much camera show on Statler I don’t care. And I know she wasn’t in the show in the first few episodes but damn every week???? Isn’t there like a rule if you’re on the show for most of the episode you aren’t on next week???? 

I know. Statler and Dempsey are boring to me. They don't really have an interesting story line. Who cares if she wants to move to the UK as quickly as she's planning? BORING.

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1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

Haven't watched yet and I ff through their scenes.  Did she really pee on him???

And more, she giggled that she lifted her leg like a dog.  Oh and aimed at his chest.