The View: Week of 4/17/2023

[falltime]

Monday, April 17 — The Political View with Rep. Katie Porter (D-CA) (author, “I Swear: Politics is Messier Than My Minivan”)

Tuesday, April 18 — Patti LuPone (“Beau is Afraid”); ABC News chief meteorologist Ginger Zee (ABC News’ The Power of Water initiative)

Wednesday, April 19 — Questlove (author, “The Rhythm of Time”)

Thursday, April 20 — Ray Romano joined by Jacob Ward (“Somewhere in Queens”); Erin Brockovich (ABC News’ The Power of Water initiative)

Friday, April 21 —Aaron Tveit (“Schmigadoon!”)

[sugarbaker design]

I 💗 Katie Porter!

[Medicine Crow]

29 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

I 💗 Katie Porter!

I think she is terrific!!!

[Haleth]

And I love the title of her book.

Good lineup next week. Interesting guests. 

[Bookish Jen]

Damn, I have work next week, but I'd love to see Rep. Katie Porter (I have to read her book) and Questlove.

[Bethany]

Best line-up in awhile!

[lookeyloo]

2 hours ago, Bookish Jen said:

Damn, I have work next week, but I'd love to see Rep. Katie Porter (I have to read her book) and Questlove.

You could probably find it or that clip on the ABC website, or YouTube

[Bookish Jen]

On 4/15/2023 at 12:49 PM, lookeyloo said:

You could probably find it or that clip on the ABC website, or YouTube

Thanks. I'll look for it.

[Haleth]

I’m so glad Sunny mentioned viagra.  When it was suggested that other drugs’ FDA approval may be challenged in court I shouted VIAGRA at the tv.  Please!

For some reason this show and only this show has extreme color saturation on my tv. Sarah always looks orange so that and her hot pink dress are hurting my eyes. And now Katie too. Ouch!

Edited April 17, 2023 by Haleth

[Welshman in Ca]

39 minutes ago, Haleth said:

I’m so glad Sunny mentioned viagra.  When it was suggested that other drugs’ FDA approval may be challenged in court I shouted VIAGRA at the tv.  Please!

 

Doesn't hurt to try getting it banned, along with every other medicine that the FDA has cleared in the last 20 years because if this get banned the FDA may as well not be here. Almost as amusing as the people trying to get the bible banned in Florida schools because of all the sex that gets mentioned in there, even gay sex 😱.

Go for it on both counts I say.

[geekburger]

So nice to have the show back!

[KittyQ]

I think that Whoopi inadvertently brought the beer argument back to basics when she said, "Don't let them scare you, let us scare you". In effect, she's saying that the business should take into account which demographics have a greater effect on the bottom line, regardless of ideology. When reviewing who buys the beer and who is likely to buy the beer in the future, pay attention to those people and try not to alienate other potential customers. To be fair, I don't think that was her intention, though.

Edited April 17, 2023 by KittyQ
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[sugarbaker design]

Sunny cracks me up.  She asks KP a question about a difficult time in her past, then asks why media outlets bring it up, WHEN SHE HERSELF BROUGHT IT UP!!!

[geekburger]

Sunny is in her glam era. She has leaned into the glamour of it all and living her best life.

[flummoxd]

Haven’t seen today’s (4/18) show, but yesterday Asunción did look especially (suspiciously 😉) beautiful (facially, anyway, don’t recall her dress.). Go get ‘em, gurl!

[GiveMeSpace]

If it weren't bad enough that 23 minutes into the show, they drag out another tired advice column topic, they then continue that mess when they come back from commercial by asking Patty Lupone to weigh in. This show, like all other morning shows, has become unwatchable. There are so many important things going on and they insult their viewers with this dumb shit. 

[Bethany]

1 hour ago, GiveMeSpace said:

There are so many important things going on and they insult their viewers with this dumb shit. 

I started watching back in the Meredith days when Barbara would come on (I think) once a week.  Anyway they had such a good balance back then.  Not the panel being balanced so much as what they discussed being balanced.  Current events, yes, but usually from the perspective of how if affects women.  Which was the original intent of the show.  That seems to have gotten lost along the way.

[KittyQ]

Did Sara actually say that one of the restrictions to gun ownership should be "racism" or did I mishear that? If she actually said that, I'd like to know how that would be determined, and who would get to make that decision. I understand that sometimes in the midst of a lively discussion people say things that are unrealistic, but that's a huge jump into totalitarian territory.

[sugarbaker design]

1 hour ago, GiveMeSpace said:

There are so many important things going on and they insult their viewers with this dumb shit.

You know when they really insult their viewership?  When the panel takes on important, complex topics and totally ****s it up!

[geekburger]

As an OG Viewer from the jump, I think we are forgetting the daily, countless segments spent discussing plot points on the latest episode of Desperate Housewives & Sex and the City. Even back then I remember being frustrated because it felt like a waste of time, much like the stuff they do now. Only now it’s online.

It makes sense though…there has to be balance. Unserious topics like this allows for the panelists to show their personality and have actual disagreements on things. It also gives some variety and injects some humor into the show. And while the presentation may seem silly, there is potential to discuss real life hot topics wedged in there, even if Whoopi doth protest too much.

[flummoxd]

The panel was dismissive of the age issue in the very distressing Yarr shooting, unconvinced that an armed 84 year old man, apparently awakened at 10 pm, could be truly terrified on encountering a strange, 6 foot tall male at his door. That his visitor was in fact, a teen, may not, unfortunately, have been reassuring even if realized. As a senior recognizing new age-related frailties on the regular, I do think the homeowner’s advanced age is a mitigating factor.  Firing twice through his own locked door could indicate some type of mental deficit imo.  However, home invasions do occur, and self-preservation is the first law of nature.While I definitely believe racism had much to do with the homeowner’s trigger-happy reaction, and I pray for Yarr’s complete, rapid recovery, and hope he gets HUGE financial compensation, I think the racial element in this case is equaled by the need for restrictions on gun ownership. 

[bluegirl147]

I'm going to disagree with the cohosts.  Does not any of them realize if that elderly man had called the police and said there was a black man trying to get in his house they most likely would have arrived with their guns drawn and who knows what would have happened?

[jalady]

I don’t think they were dismissive of his age.  Their points were: intruders don’t usually knock and he had options other than shooting the teenager.  Ask “who is it?”, ignore the door if you’re not expecting anyone (I do it all the time if I don’t recognize a car in the parking lot), or call the police.  But I do get bluegirl147’s point that option #3 may have come with its own danger for the young man.

[KittyQ]

5 minutes ago, jalady said:

I don’t think they were dismissive of his age.  Their points were: intruders don’t usually knock and he had options other than shooting the teenager.  Ask “who is it?”, ignore the door if you’re not expecting anyone (I do it all the time if I don’t recognize a car in the parking lot), or call the police.  But I do get bluegirl147’s point that option #3 may have come with its own danger for the young man.

I think they were. Ana listed a bunch of celebrity octo- and nona-gerians who presumably wouldn't have shot someone at the door this way. Aside from the fact that those celebrities probably would never be in this situation because they have some level of security, not all people of a particular age group are the same; there's no information about this man's background or medical or mental status. The panelists seemed very quick to brush past the question of the homeowner's age. One thing seems strange about it - the homeowner had a gun at the ready to shoot someone at the door. Unless you feel threatened (or are possibly paranoid), why would a normal person be prepared to do that on what must have been short notice?

It's also unclear how far off the young man was from the house where his siblings were. If they were in one of the neighboring houses surely they would have become aware of the incident (maybe even being in one of the houses he went to for help). 

[Rainyhawk]

6 hours ago, geekburger said:

As an OG Viewer from the jump, I think we are forgetting the daily, countless segments spent discussing plot points on the latest episode of Desperate Housewives & Sex and the City. Even back then I remember being frustrated because it felt like a waste of time, much like the stuff they do now. Only now it’s online.

It makes sense though…there has to be balance. Unserious topics like this allows for the panelists to show their personality and have actual disagreements on things. It also gives some variety and injects some humor into the show. And while the presentation may seem silly, there is potential to discuss real life hot topics wedged in there, even if Whoopi doth protest too much.

Agree.  I don’t watch this show for my news discussions.  It always had the lighter tone on some topics. It wasn’t designed as a news show and still shouldn’t be.  There are plenty of those shows if I want that…with better informed panelists frankly.  I like a balance.  

[Rainyhawk]

5 hours ago, flummoxd said:

The panel was dismissive of the age issue in the very distressing Yarr shooting, unconvinced that an armed 84 year old man, apparently awakened at 10 pm, could be truly terrified on encountering a strange, 6 foot tall male at his door. That his visitor was in fact, a teen, may not, unfortunately, have been reassuring even if realized. As a senior recognizing new age-related frailties on the regular, I do think the homeowner’s advanced age is a mitigating factor.  Firing twice through his own locked door could indicate some type of mental deficit imo.  However, home invasions do occur, and self-preservation is the first law of nature.While I definitely believe racism had much to do with the homeowner’s trigger-happy reaction, and I pray for Yarr’s complete, rapid recovery, and hope he gets HUGE financial compensation, I think the racial element in this case is equaled by the need for restrictions on gun ownership. 

As I understood it, he didn’t fire twice through the door.  He fired a head shot through the screen door and then, as the kid was in the ground, shot him again.  There was no attempt to break in…the guy could have just called 911 and stayed hidden somewhere. Or asked who it was first.  This didn’t have to end this way.

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

I'm going to disagree with the cohosts.  Does not any of them realize if that elderly man had called the police and said there was a black man trying to get in his house they most likely would have arrived with their guns drawn and who knows what would have happened?

Probably a similar result. 

[flummoxd]

5 hours ago, KittyQ said:

I think they were. Ana listed a bunch of celebrity octo- and nona-gerians who presumably wouldn't have shot someone at the door this way. Aside from the fact that those celebrities probably would never be in this situation because they have some level of security, not all people of a particular age group are the same; there's no information about this man's background or medical or mental status. The panelists seemed very quick to brush past the question of the homeowner's age. One thing seems strange about it - the homeowner had a gun at the ready to shoot someone at the door. Unless you feel threatened (or are possibly paranoid), why would a normal person be prepared to do that on what must have been short notice?

It's also unclear how far off the young man was from the house where his siblings were. If they were in one of the neighboring houses surely they would have become aware of the incident (maybe even being in one of the houses he went to for help). 

That the homeowner was armed & ready to shoot is sadly, not really uncommon in the glorious USA, where guns outnumber citizens.  The panel briefly mentioned the Caucasian 20 year old female (NOT a "child," of course) shot dead in upstate NY yesterday, when her girlfriends pulled into the wrong driveway at night. The 65 yr old white homeowner shot into their car as they drove away, apparently not having gotten out of the vehicle at all. Maybe American senior men are outa control & should have to prove their mental fitness annually, in order to have a gun.

[Welshman in Ca]

12 hours ago, KittyQ said:

 

It's also unclear how far off the young man was from the house where his siblings were. If they were in one of the neighboring houses surely they would have become aware of the incident (maybe even being in one of the houses he went to for help). 

He went to 115th Street instead of 115th Terrace, pretty easy mistake to make in the dark if the signs are not that clear, so his friends were on a different street not a different house on the same street. So certainly not unclear as to how far off, actually very clear.

[KittyQ]

1 hour ago, Welshman in Ca said:

He went to 115th Street instead of 115th Terrace, pretty easy mistake to make in the dark if the signs are not that clear, so his friends were on a different street not a different house on the same street. So certainly not unclear as to how far off, actually very clear.

Thanks. At the time I posted, this information wasn't available. Similarly named roads can be confusing even in the best case. 

[KittyQ]

8 hours ago, flummoxd said:

That the homeowner was armed & ready to shoot is sadly, not really uncommon in the glorious USA, where guns outnumber citizens.  The panel briefly mentioned the Caucasian 20 year old female (NOT a "child," of course) shot dead in upstate NY yesterday, when her girlfriends pulled into the wrong driveway at night. The 65 yr old white homeowner shot into their car as they drove away, apparently not having gotten out of the vehicle at all. Maybe American senior men are outa control & should have to prove their mental fitness annually, in order to have a gun.

I can imagine being ready to defend yourself if you live in a remote location or in an area with a lot of home break-ins, but even then, being ready to shoot first before identifying your "threat" seems extreme. Although, many years ago, our house was broken into and for days afterward, we worried that the thieves would return, which kept us on edge, especially at night. Didn't have a gun at the ready, though. 

The NY case seems strange, too. It made me wonder what that guy was "protecting" - was he an upstanding citizen or someone with something he thought people might come for? Maybe I've read too many thrillers. 

[bluegirl147]

18 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

The NY case seems strange, too. It made me wonder what that guy was "protecting" - was he an upstanding citizen or someone with something he thought people might come for? Maybe I've read too many thrillers. 

That might actually be a possibility.  The company I work for is an industry where my coworkers perform their jobs in customer's homes.  Years ago my former manager went to do an estimate and the home was very run down.  It did however have a very expensive perimeter surveillance system with cameras set up.  My boss and I thought OK what is it they don't want people to get too close to.

[Welshman in Ca]

34 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

The NY case seems strange, too. It made me wonder what that guy was "protecting" - was he an upstanding citizen or someone with something he thought people might come for? Maybe I've read too many thrillers. 

The guy refused to open the door to the police as well which makes it doubly worrying along with the fact that the girls knew they had the wrong driveway & were in the process of turning around when he fired at them does make you wonder what he's hiding.

I was glad they mentioned this shooting on the show as well even if there wasn't as much known at the time.

[Welshman in Ca]

Hate to say it but I agree with Sunny that the settlement wasn't enough & there needed to be a punishment besides money because Fox news can just go on lying with impunity. They should have not agreed to a settlement without Fox news having to agree to put a constant ticker or whatever its called on the bottom of the screen saying that they lied and that they are an entertainment channel & not a news channel otherwise Fox news won't even mention the settlement and their viewers will continue to believe everything they say no matter how ridiculous.

Edited April 19, 2023 by Welshman in Ca
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[flummoxd]

I’m with Welshman and most of the View panel that an on-air apology should have been a requirement to settle with Faux.  However, can’t really expect a small company like Dominion to step in where our government has failed to act.  Dominion needed the money asap - going to trial was not a slam dunk, and endless delays and appeals would be a given.

It seemed kinda awkward for Sara that Questlove kissed the other 2 panelists, and left her out in the cold.

[Haleth]

Yeah, it wasn’t the job of the Dominion lawyers to provide satisfaction to View viewers.  Their job was to wring the most money they could from Fox for their client. But I agree with Sunny and others that it is frustrating that there is nothing stopping Fox from continuing to spew misinformation. 

[geekburger]

Thought I was living in a parallel world with all of them defending the viral tweet of someone’s children making a mess on the plane and then expecting the flight attendants to clean it up. Only Sunny made any kind of sense. Dustbusters? Really Whoopi? FAs have enough to worry about than cleaning up after peoples children.

Also, thought it was funny that Sunny told QuestLove (who was an insightful guest), he would win the Oscar, because a guest was on last week and Sunny allegedly also told her she would win too. Awkward blue card moment though when she told QL his book is great for readers beyond Junior High, only to immediately then read the blue card saying the book is recommended for those in Junior High. 😂

And Sara was very passionate about AI/art.

[Welshman in Ca]

13 minutes ago, Haleth said:

Yeah, it wasn’t the job of the Dominion lawyers to provide satisfaction to View viewers.  Their job was to wring the most money they could from Fox for their client. But I agree with Sunny and others that it is frustrating that there is nothing stopping Fox from continuing to spew misinformation. 

The disappointing thing to me has been the response of the Dominion chairman when asked this morning about an apology from Fox & his response has been  "they apologized to the tune of millions of $s". That's not an apology or an admittance of any guilt by Fox no matter how he spins it & their viewers will just keep spouting the lie because Fox didn't have to actually admit any wrongdoing.

I get that they need the money but maybe their lawyers could have pushed for an apology as well after it was obvious that Murdoch & his minions didn't want to actually testify.

[TheGreenKnight]

21 hours ago, Rainyhawk said:

Agree.  I don’t watch this show for my news discussions.  It always had the lighter tone on some topics. It wasn’t designed as a news show and still shouldn’t be.  There are plenty of those shows if I want that…with better informed panelists frankly.  I like a balance.  

I agree. The View has always been an entertainment show. It was only "technically" filed under the news division because they also talk about big headlines and politics. I think there's always been a half-and-half balance between the heavy stuff and the fluff topics?

I haven't had the chance to skim the show today yet--was Joy back yet?

[Blissfool]

7 hours ago, Welshman in Ca said:

The guy refused to open the door to the police as well which makes it doubly worrying along with the fact that the girls knew they had the wrong driveway & were in the process of turning around when he fired at them does make you wonder what he's hiding.

I was glad they mentioned this shooting on the show as well even if there wasn't as much known at the time.

I'm not victim-blaming, just very surprised at the coincidences this week. Might be a sign-of-the-times, too (young people being distracted and not very focused on day-to-day tasks). The young black man at the wrong house, the young girls turning into the wrong driveway, and just yesterday two young cheerleaders in Texas got shot when they got into the wrong car in a parking lot. I don't know if that last story is getting nationwide attention, but I'm in Texas so....

I get that some people are too trigger-happy, but just surprised at all the "mistakes" happening this week.

[Medicine Crow]

1 hour ago, TheGreenKnight said:

I agree. The View has always been an entertainment show. It was only "technically" filed under the news division because they also talk about big headlines and politics. I think there's always been a half-and-half balance between the heavy stuff and the fluff topics?

I haven't had the chance to skim the show today yet--was Joy back yet?

 

Yes, with gifts from Italy for her colleagues ... LOL.

[BuckeyeLou]

1 hour ago, Medicine Crow said:

 

Yes, with gifts from Italy for her colleagues ... LOL.

Yes, it was good to see Joy back, it was funny she brought statues of "David" with stickers over his private parts 

[Glitches]

9 hours ago, Welshman in Ca said:

They should have not agreed to a settlement without Fox news having to agree to put a constant ticker or whatever its called on the bottom of the screen saying that they lied and that they are an entertainment channel & not a news channel otherwise Fox news won't even mention the settlement and their viewers will continue to believe everything they say no matter how ridiculous.

This is precisely what I wanted of the Fox verdict or settlement. I read Fox News on-line and its public comment section. The parroting of old misinformation is rampant. Rather fun to hear the other side but it’s like talking to thousands of brick walls. 

[sugarbaker design]

13 hours ago, Blissfool said:

I get that some people are too trigger-happy, but just surprised at all the "mistakes" happening this week.

Why is the word mistakes in quotes?  Each of the three incidents involved actual mistakes.  People make mistakes, nothing surprising about it.  We're talking about knocking on a door, driving into a driveway and opening a car door.  I opened the wrong door of a car last week.  Thankfully I wasn't murdered because of my mistake.

[Welshman in Ca]

The problem isn't people making a mistake that many of us have made, it's people who think it's okay to shoot first & ask questions later. I've gone to the wrong car & got in more than once but that was in the days when people had to use a key & any Ford/Honda/Toyota etc key would open numerous car doors but my go to was always a file cabinet key for helping when people would lock their keys in their car in our parking lot. I've knocked on the wrong door looking for friends houses as well & in both cases nobody ever shot me, why? Oh yeah because I lived in the UK where guns are illegal that's why. We still had mentally challenged individuals but unlike parts of the US they couldn't walk into a store & buy a gun with no background check.

[geekburger]

Hot Topics was a mess today. Whoopi and to a lesser extent Joy (which I don’t mind) ate up most of the airtime.

[GiveMeSpace]

16 hours ago, Blissfool said:

I'm not victim-blaming, just very surprised at the coincidences this week. Might be a sign-of-the-times, too (young people being distracted and not very focused on day-to-day tasks). The young black man at the wrong house, the young girls turning into the wrong driveway, and just yesterday two young cheerleaders in Texas got shot when they got into the wrong car in a parking lot. I don't know if that last story is getting nationwide attention, but I'm in Texas so....

I get that some people are too trigger-happy, but just surprised at all the "mistakes" happening this week.

This sounds pretty victim blamey to me and it definitely is a "take".

[KittyQ]

16 hours ago, Blissfool said:

I'm not victim-blaming, just very surprised at the coincidences this week. Might be a sign-of-the-times, too (young people being distracted and not very focused on day-to-day tasks). The young black man at the wrong house, the young girls turning into the wrong driveway, and just yesterday two young cheerleaders in Texas got shot when they got into the wrong car in a parking lot. I don't know if that last story is getting nationwide attention, but I'm in Texas so....

I get that some people are too trigger-happy, but just surprised at all the "mistakes" happening this week.

I don't think that it is sign-of-the-times. I'm no longer a "young person", and I've done each of those things within the past 5-10 years. A couple of years ago, I left a grocery store in NM and opened the passenger door of what I thought was my rental car, only to startle a kid sitting there playing with her phone. My husband honked from our actual car a few rows away and I hastily apologized and got into the right car. Thank goodness no one was ready to shoot me for that!

[bluegirl147]

4 hours ago, sugarbaker design said:

Why is the word mistakes in quotes?  Each of the three incidents involved actual mistakes.  People make mistakes, nothing surprising about it.  We're talking about knocking on a door, driving into a driveway and opening a car door.  I opened the wrong door of a car last week.  Thankfully I wasn't murdered because of my mistake.

I remember a while back and that person was shot in a movie theater and people were saying well he shouldn't have been talking.  I will never understand why being the victim of a violent crime is judged by some people as it being their fault.  

2 hours ago, Welshman in Ca said:

The problem isn't people making a mistake that many of us have made, it's people who think it's okay to shoot first & ask questions later

That is it in a nutshell.  People in this country have shot people and gotten away with it so more people think I can shoot someone and get away with it. 

[njbchlover]

Sara doesn't usually annoy me, but today, she did!  She was fan-girling so hard on Ray Romano - even Whoopi seemed to be annoyed with Sara's constant interruptions and talking over the other hosts.  Whoopi touched Sara's arm several times, giving her a "slow your roll" kind of look.

The movie "Somewhere in Queens" looks incredible with a great cast, but Sara was raving on and on and on like it was the BEST film ever written in history.

It was a shame she kept interrupting because I really like Ray Romano and wanted to see/hear him talk.  He was so gracious about it, though - he's really a great guy and an excellent guest! 

Edited April 20, 2023 by njbchlover

[Snapdragon]

18 hours ago, Blissfool said:

I'm not victim-blaming, just very surprised at the coincidences this week. Might be a sign-of-the-times, too (young people being distracted and not very focused on day-to-day tasks). The young black man at the wrong house, the young girls turning into the wrong driveway, and just yesterday two young cheerleaders in Texas got shot when they got into the wrong car in a parking lot. I don't know if that last story is getting nationwide attention, but I'm in Texas so....

I get that some people are too trigger-happy, but just surprised at all the "mistakes" happening this week.

Whenever a story gets a lot of attention, news outlets will keep a lookout for similar stories to get more views/ratings.  It's viral trends: news edition.  So a month ago, the story of the woman being shot in the driveway or the cheerleader being shot in the parking lot might not have been reported on at all but because the news outlets want to capitalize on all the interest in the teenage boy who was shot after ringing the doorbell, those stories are now also getting a lot of coverage, making it seem as if these types of incidents are on the rise when really, they're probably just being covered more.