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[druzy]

Assistant Rexburg Police Chief Gary Hagen told reporters that Daybell was being questioned after a search warrant was served on his home. He said that detectives had recovered unidentified human remains in their investigation of the missing children.

 

Edited June 9, 2020 by druzy

[Annber03]

About fucking time. 

I'm bracing myself for what they'll find on that property :(. 

[Court]

I just read this and came straight here. The article I read didn't mention where. I do wonder how much her niece knew or what role she played. It was clear to me she knew so much more than she was letting on during that interview. 

The police searched his home before. Do you think Lori or someone gave them information? 

 

I hope they both rot in prison and I hope her sister and mom stop defending herm 

[Melina22]

I just can't look at the photo they keep showing of those poor children. It's so terrible they were killed by people they trusted. 😢

[druzy]

1 minute ago, Court said:

The police searched his home before. Do you think Lori or someone gave them information? 

I think Lori cooperated for a lesser sentence. 

[druzy]

 

[Lsk02]

Someone definitely spilled, it looks like they knew exactly where to search. I hope her idiot mother and sister keep their mouths shut with their defenses of her now. 

[Ohmo]

3 hours ago, Court said:

I just read this and came straight here

+1 I made a beeline for here, and I hope Keith is crafting his update...via Zoom if necessary.

I hope those two fry, and her sister and her husband are investigated.

I know this can't happen, but if I were the prosecutor, I would TELL Lori I'd give her a lighter sentence, but then I'd throw the book at her.  She deserves no leniency.

[Melina22]

I'm normally a huge softie, but what sticks in my mind is the image of the two of them going to the beach, all happy and honeymoony, her with cute clothes and expensive hair, knowing that a few weeks earlier they (allegedly) murdered his wife and her two children. They seem like monsters. For once, I don't think their punishment is going to make me feel sorry for them. 

But I guarantee they'll be angry and defiant, and feel really, really sorry for themselves. 

 

[Ellee]

My guess at this time is that they will find that that is poor JJ.  Tylee is probably somewhere in the park.  

The only way Vallow would give information about the kids’ whereabouts is if she is pissed that Daybill was still free.   No conscience there at all and certainly no love for her babies. 

Wonder if July 23rd (or whatever date) has ‘new meaning’.   Might I suggest that ‘they’ be given the right to a speedy trial in order to carry out the sentence on that date?
 

Yes, I’ve already convicted them.  And decided what the sentence should be.   And may they suffer the entire day until completion.

I hate starting the day in a negative mode but what about this could be positive.

 

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Ellee

[Ellee]

Went looking for any new information. That might be out there. Saw where Daybill worked as a grave digger.

Can I add that to their sentence?  

Have them dig their own graves.  I’m sure someone knows of a hell hole that would be appropriate.   It just seems right for them to see where they will lay for eternity. 
 

Those poor babies. 
 

Again, sorry for the negativity. 

[CrazyInAlabama]

8 hours ago, Ohmo said:

I know this can't happen, but if I were the prosecutor, I would TELL Lori I'd give her a lighter sentence, but then I'd throw the book at her.  She deserves no leniency.

From watching too much TV, apparently even if the prosecutors cut a deal with the defendant, the judge can refuse to honor that.      

[JudyObscure]

6 hours ago, Ellee said:

My guess at this time is that they will find that that is poor JJ.  Tylee is probably somewhere in the park.  

My thoughts exactly.  Tylee  seemed to have entered the park but never exited, so I fear the poor girl is over a hidden cliff or in some off the path grave.

I also think they should dig up  all of Daybell's  property because he and Lori seemed to have  met a shocking number of demon possessed folk in need of blood atonement.

6 hours ago, Ellee said:

Went looking for any new information. That might be out there. Saw where Daybill worked as a grave digger.

Can I add that to their sentence?

Yes, please, and I'd like to add a few years  to Chad's sentence for that perpetual self-satisfied smile and Lori's for every cute outfit she's worn since her children went missing.

[druzy]

 

 

[Angeltoes]

The mayor let it slip that it is the kids.  At a news conference he said, "This brings closure to the families."  A reporter said. "Are you saying the kids have been found?"  Mayor's response,"Oh" (as in, "Oh, I just stepped in it").

 

People Magazine just confirmed.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Angeltoes

[druzy]

 

[Melina22]

1 hour ago, Angeltoes said:

The mayor let it slip that it is the kids.  At a news conference he said, "This brings closure to the families."  A reporter said. "Are you saying the kids have been found?"  Mayor's response,"Oh" (as in, "Oh, I just stepped in it").

 

I knew it would be them, because remember the video from the storage unit? They were moving large boxes in and out in a very suspicious manner, right after the children disappeared. 

Yup. Monsters. 

[iMonrey]

That was fast. Not in the finding, but in confirming the identity of the bodies. It usually takes a long time for that to come out. If they had to wait for dental records or DNA tests it would have taken longer than this considering they just found the remains yesterday so I'm assuming there are some other identifying factors.

[cooksdelight]

This report states JJ’s remains have been found

https://www.crimeonline.com/2020/06/10/breaking-relative-says-remains-found-in-cult-mom-husband-chad-daybells-yard-are-missing-jj-vallow/?fbclid=IwAR36Ur6jemlGxfp7XmUQEIgqNtdmjIOiv1Wdn5vS2VEj1EVEFsHQI_Z3fEU

[Annber03]

Not at all surprising, but damn :(. Those poor children. 

[Ellee]

I just read where investigators found the concealment of at least one of the bodies “to be particularly egregious”.

What do they mean? 

[Enigma X]

I am not surprised but was hoping my worst fears were wrong.

[SunnyBeBe]

So hopefully, the truth will come out about what happened, but, maybe not. Those two monsters will likely contort facts to serve their own purpose. Likely, a story that it was an accident or the children hurt each other. Not likely to admit any wrong doing.  I put nothing past those whack-a-doodles.

[Ellee]

11 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

So hopefully, the truth will come out about what happened, but, maybe not. Those two monsters will likely contort facts to serve their own purpose. Likely, a story that it was an accident or the children hurt each other. Not likely to admit any wrong doing.  I put nothing past those whack-a-doodles.

So true. So very true. 
 

And there are those in her family that will add to the stories I’m sure. 

[druzy]

Criminal Complaint

[Court]

4 hours ago, Ellee said:

I just read where investigators found the concealment of at least one of the bodies “to be particularly egregious”.

What do they mean? 

I saw that too and wondered. It circles back to my previous question of did someone talk? If it was so terrible and obvious, perhaps the police were able to get a warrant for the yard. I can only assume the first warrant only applied to the inside of the house. I'm betting someone talked, though. 

3 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

So hopefully, the truth will come out about what happened, but, maybe not. Those two monsters will likely contort facts to serve their own purpose. Likely, a story that it was an accident or the children hurt each other. Not likely to admit any wrong doing.  I put nothing past those whack-a-doodles.

I bet the lawyers will try an insanity defense. 

[OpalNightstream]

Absolutely they will plead insanity. 

[Ellee]

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/chad-daybells-neighbor-describes-strange-behavior-after-jj-and-tylees-disappearance

 

[Ellee]

6 hours ago, OpalNightstream said:

Absolutely they will plead insanity. 

Yeah they will but they were so insane that they decided to get married, spend their last days of freedom in Hawaii and be in a position of not testifying against each other.   
 

Wonder what else they have in store.  Maybe Vallow’s brother did it all and they didn’t want to ruin his ‘good name’?  (Insert major eye roll here)

[Ohmo]

9 hours ago, Court said:

I bet the lawyers will try an insanity defense. 

I know society is required to provide Lori with a lawyer.  However, she doesn't deserve one.

I'd like to think that Chad developed a conscience and ratted her out.  He hasn't been charged with murder yet.

We all knew this is where we were headed, but I so hoped we would somehow be wrong.

[OpalNightstream]

They will prob say she was “saving” the kids by killing them as per her Messages from God (or is she a god? I lost track.) So she will try to be portrayed as a delusional, mentally ill woman who thought she was just saving her kids. And chad fell under her spell. Either way, I hope they throw them in a hole somewhere to suffer until the end

 

[Court]

10 minutes ago, OpalNightstream said:

They will prob say she was “saving” the kids by killing them as per her Messages from God (or is she a god? I lost track.) So she will try to be portrayed as a delusional, mentally ill woman who thought she was just saving her kids. And chad fell under her spell. Either way, I hope they throw them in a hole somewhere to suffer until the end

 

She believed they were zombies, I think. Absurd.

[Irlandesa]

3 hours ago, Ellee said:

Yeah they will but they were so insane that they decided to get married, spend their last days of freedom in Hawaii and be in a position of not testifying against each other.   

They can testify against one another.  I'm not a lawyer but I believe spousal privilege, as far as it exists, doesn't includes actions that were witnessed.

They won't testify against one another, though, because they're likely equally complicit.  They didn't need a marriage certificate to be put in that position.

[SunnyBeBe]

Insanity defenses aren't that reliable, so, I suspect they'll go with something like either pointing the finger at each other OR blaming the kids.  Like one pushed the other and they both fell on the knife or something just as bizarre. 

It's just so infuriating that these two adults, thought that killing two children would be the kind of thing that would work long term.  Even if authorities had not started an investigation, what would they have said to friends and family about the children's whereabouts for the rest of their lives?  OH, I forgot.  The end of the world is coming, so, they only had a few months before everyone would be gone.....so, maybe, the end of time will be their excuse. Still, insanity is a big challenge as a defense. I can't see it. 

Edited June 11, 2020 by SunnyBeBe

[SunnyBeBe]

I wonder if they are smart enough to con a psychiatrist.  They'll like be at least two involved.  I'm still curious as to why she felt it so important to wear that brightly colored lipstick to court last time.   Maybe, she thinks she has fans. lol 

[Ellee]

Question.  Does Daybill’s mug shot make him look like a zombie?

 

[Melina22]

So I can see the motive for murdering Tammy (so they could be together) but their bizarre beliefs aside, why did they murder her children? Everything they did appeared to be for their own personal benefit, so did she just want to eliminate the responsibility? She certainly looked lighthearted enough in the interviews before her arrest, at least the ones I saw on Dateline. 

I can tell from all the responses on this thread that I'm not the only one haunted by this story. 

 

[SunnyBeBe]

I really question whether either of them REALLY thought the world would end. To me, it sounds like a scheme to help you manipulate people so you can get what you want like property or money.  I hope law enforcement is able to find evidence that they were con artists and not sincere in the contentions.  The trouble is that I have not been impressed with the investigation.  I hope it's better than what it appears to have been. 

[Annber03]

29 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I really question whether either of them REALLY thought the world would end. To me, it sounds like a scheme to help you manipulate people so you can get what you want like property or money. 

Agreed. The "doomsday apocalypse" scenario is nothing more than a scare tactic to these kinds of people. It's about the worst possible outcome for the world, after all, nothing like its potential literal end to get people motivated to do something. 

And if they actually do believe that kind of nonsense, then, well...that's a whole other issue unto itself. 

[OpalNightstream]

If they truly believe the world is ending next month then none of this should really be bothering them because there’s only a few weeks left anyway!

[CrazyInAlabama]

No way they'll get an insanity defense.  It's not if you're insane, but if you didn't know the difference between right and wrong.     I'm hoping no bail company will even think about trying to bail them out.   

[TVbitch]

Given coronavirus and the global protests, I wonder if the two of them are believing these are signs that the world IS ending on schedule. Maybe that's why she's been so upbeat. 

If only the police had done something sooner, like, I don't know, maybe figured out the first or second or third murder, the kids might have been spared.  

How will her mom and sister's spin it now? 

[Ellee]

https://www.ibtimes.com/dateline-preview-lori-vallows-missing-children-spark-investigation-after-family-2922431

[SunnyBeBe]

12 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Given coronavirus and the global protests, I wonder if the two of them are believing these are signs that the world IS ending on schedule. Maybe that's why she's been so upbeat. 

If only the police had done something sooner, like, I don't know, maybe figured out the first or second or third murder, the kids might have been spared.  

How will her mom and sister's spin it now? 

Often, family members will continue to defend murderers in their family no matter what. They will believe bizarre tales no matter how incredulous.  Then, if the murderer confesses, they say it wasn't really them, but, they lost their mind and it was someone else who took over.  Like the devil made them do it.  I really can't see them holding Lori accountable.  They may pin it on her husband though.  Say that he made Lori do it and she was too scared to get away.  I put nothing past that family. 

[Court]

3 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Often, family members will continue to defend murderers in their family no matter what. They will believe bizarre tales no matter how incredulous.  Then, if the murderer confesses, they say it wasn't really them, but, they lost their mind and it was someone else who took over.  Like the devil made them do it.  I really can't see them holding Lori accountable.  They may pin it on her husband though.  Say that he made Lori do it and she was too scared to get away.  I put nothing past that family. 

Agreed. I still maintain the niece is in on it. I hope her ex keeps the kids far away from her.

[CrazyInAlabama]

I hope the courts let the niece's ex-husband keep the kids away from her, you never know what will happen in court. 

 

Remember the Susan Powell case, where the woman was murdered, never found her body.  Her father-in-law was a total perv (may he roast in hell), the husband was a total loon, and the courts let the man have supervised visitation with the boys.   He killed both boys, and burned the house down on a visitation, while the social worker tried desperately to get the 911 operators to send help.   Susan Powell's family had to sue to get the insurance money away from the Powell family, and had to go to court to keep the Powells from burying the boys next to their father.  

Edited June 13, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[druzy]

‘With heavy hearts’ police identify remains found on Daybell property

[druzy]

 

[Ellee]

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/06/cox-family-melani-pawlowski-issue-statement-about-jj-and-tylee/

 

Thanks, druzy, for posting that. Did you see the family statements below it?

I went in the above.  Look at the picture there.  Is it just me or does that woman look evil?  

Edited June 13, 2020 by Ellee

[Lsk02]

Is that the delusional sister who did the interview with Lori’s mom?