S17.E14: Which Wife is Next?

[Ms.Lulu]

While Christine settles into her new life in Utah, the remaining wives and Kody have another tense conversation at Robyn's; Janelle feels Kody is making her choose between him and her kids, and they reach a breaking point.

December 11, 2022

 

[mythoughtis]

Thank you for starting this. 
Janelle just really laid the whole deal out there for the group. Where has Robyn been and why doesn’t she know the deal with Janelle’s kids and Kody?  Because Janelle  was right - Kody has no secrets. 

[Art Of Noiz]

Hello! I still hate Robyn. I loath and despise Kody more. 

Love Janelle's way of shutting Goitergal down. 

[altopower]

And Kody says that Robyn is the great communicator?  Kody clearly is NOT

[Twopper]

I cannot watch because we only have one tv and our son is visiting and is watching a movie with his dad. At least I can see it later from the dvr. 
 

[Cancun]

If I were Janelle, I would turn to Robyn and say, “My boys’ relationship with their father is none of your business. I don’t need you to be a facilitator or mediator, so shut up and stay in your lane.”

[Ms.Lulu]

There is a lot of weight to this episode. We can all see that Janelle sees the writing on the wall. Robyn and Kody want her out. 

The 'unplanned' conversation about whether Janelle was still committed was clearly planned by Kody and Robyn.

I still believe that Robyn and Kody think they will be able to act their way to swaying popular opinion that Kody is the wronged person in the family.

[altopower]

Yeah, if I were Christine, I wouldn't want to come back to Kodyville either. 

[Ms.Lulu]

One thing that's interesting is that Robyn hasn't called out that besides the boys not being welcomed until they apologize, that Kody forgot Gabe's birthday. 

Where is Gabe's apology? Why isn't Robyn crying over the way that Kody mistreated his sons?

There seems to be a planned and systematic attack on Janelle.

Edited December 12, 2022 by Ms.Lulu

[altopower]

Robyn would only cry over insults to her own children, which Kody wouldn't give them because they are THEIR children and therefore perfect. I doubt Kody ever apologized to Gabe. Janelle will never choose Kody/Robyn/Meri over her own children, which they should have known before this. Unless their goal is just to prod her more to leave, which is entirely possible.

[Adeejay]

I can't believe Kody told his sons they wouldn't be welcome for Christmas unless they apologized.  Apologize for what?  Stating that Robyn was most likely behind the covid protocols?  For wanting a relationship with him?

[altopower]

Gabe and Garrison don't want to see Kody at this point. Why would they want him to talk to them?  And here is Kody criticizing Janelle for him not knowing what her kids are doing for Christmas. He doesn't know squat.

[Twopper]

1 minute ago, Adeejay said:

I can't believe Kody told his sons they wouldn't be welcome for Christmas unless they apologized.  Apologize for what?  Stating that Robyn was most likely behind the covid protocols?  For wanting a relationship with him?

where did Janelle’s family end up last Christmas?  I am so confused by the timeline 

[mythoughtis]

Kody can’t remember what he says 5 minutes after he says it. He denies ever saying things that are filmed 

[Art Of Noiz]

5 minutes ago, Ms.Lulu said:

One thing that's interesting is that Robyn hasn't called out that besides the boys not being welcomed until they apologize, that Kody forgot Gabe's birthday. 

Where is Gabe's apology? Why isn't Robyn crying over the way that Kody mistreated his sons?

There seems to be a planned and systematic attack on Janelle.

I have wondered  if they are trying to bully her into submission so she'll get the land paid off. 

[Ms.Lulu]

Discussing holiday plans a week before Thanksgiving means you aren't planning on spending them together.

Kody, "I never said...no,no,no, I completely reversed that."  Well that means you said it Kody.

I feel like Kody should be calling his kids to find out what his kids are doing for the holidays. 

Edited December 12, 2022 by Ms.Lulu

[altopower]

Janelle isn't putting up with his shit anymore.  And Meri and Robyn sit there like stone statues, saying nothing.

[toodywoody]

Just now, altopower said:

Janelle isn't putting up with his shit anymore.  And Meri and Robyn sit there like stone statues, saying nothing.

Because they know if they say anything to question his Kidneyship that he will turn on them and say how they betrayed him.

[altopower]

Kody doesn't communicate with his children at all. How the hell are they going to find out what he wants if he doesn't pick up the phone and call?  Yes, they could contact him, but it works both ways.

[Cancun]

I just don’t get Meri. She hears her “spiritual” husband - the one who already divorced her - say on camera to zillions of strangers that he has no interest in having a relationship with her. Yet she stays. I can’t decide if she is stubborn, pathetic, stupid, or a genius with a long game that I don’t see.

[Ms.Lulu]

It is interesting that Kody doesn't like that Christine is bringing kids to Flagstaff so that they can see the family.

It is shocking that he doesn't like the idea that they would stay in a neutral place. He wants them at his house (meaning Robyn's house). I'm guessing it is because he wants Christine to feel the loneliness of being excluded.

But at least Meri acknowledges that she would do the same thing that Janelle is doing--spending the holidays with her children.

Edited December 12, 2022 by Ms.Lulu

[altopower]

Oh god, Kody and his death-like experience with Co-vid (as he pronounces it). And his melodramatic moaning and pointing and yelling.

[Adeejay]

What a drama queen!  Janelle should have told him to eff off.  

[meligator]

4 minutes ago, altopower said:

Oh god, Kody and his death-like experience with Co-vid (as he pronounces it). And his melodramatic moaning and pointing and yelling.

Janelle probably had it worse than either of them - she just isn't one to go on about near death experiences.

[Ms.Lulu]

The rules come up again. We all saw the they got the rules right before the holidays the previous year. Kody seems to forget that it is all caught on video.

Kody has to talk respect and persecution yet again. 

And how he doesn't have support from Janelle. HE has had to deal with Covid protocols, HE has had to deal with being away from the part of the family he doesn't like. HE was left by a wife that he mistreated. HE and his family (not Janelle and their kids--his wife Robyn and their kids) got Covid.

At least Kody is making it easy for me to walk away after this season. HE is an asshat.

Edited December 12, 2022 by Ms.Lulu

[KateHearts]

Have we ever seen a more consistent deflector and picture ("pitcher") of pure self-centeredness as that of Kody Brown? It's ALL ABOUT HIM, ladies! Do you KNOW what he just went through? A divorce that was a COMPLETE BLINDSIDE? A WIFE who TALKS BEHIND HIS BACK and TURNS HIS KIDS AGAINST HIM?? The awful, agonizing near-death experience of COVID-19??!  I couldn't believe he started with his hair-flipping, Shakespearian-like emoting with Janelle, who took a page from Christine's book and very calmly told him, over and over, that he had indeed demanded apologies from his sons before he would deign to associate with them. And what was the reference to "alcoholic families" he used twice? What was the "donkey turning the wheel" analogy, which, apparently is a "compliment to Robyn" because it means she is helping the family to get to the root of their issues? My head was spinning. But what I so, so wished for Janelle to say, she didn't: "Kody, if you are saying you want to start communicating with your sons, then you, as their FATHER, should reach out and make arrangements to talk things out." He loves to put the wives in the middle and make them do his dirty work. Then, of course, it's their fault when things don't go his way (i.e., when he isn't held up as the paragon of fatherly virtue). 

Meri is getting closer and closer every episode to being about as useful as a cardboard cutout of herself, just sittin' there sayin' nothing and contributing less. And once again, Kody just comes out and says he's trying to get that barnacle of a wife out of his life. Yet, she "keeps trying." Oh, Meri- have thee no dignity?

[toodywoody]

But where were the kids supposed to stay, especially if they brought their girlfriends or spouses? On the floor at Robyn's. It makes no sense how he's acting.

[Art Of Noiz]

6 minutes ago, Ms.Lulu said:

It is interesting that Kody doesn't like that Christine is bringing kids to Flagstaff so that they can see the family.

It is shocking that he doesn't like the idea that they would stay in a neutral place. He wants them at his house (meaning Robyn's house).

But at least Meri acknowledges that she would do the same thing that Janelle is doing--spending the holidays with her children.

But not to Kody's face. Just in TH.

[altopower]

"Can we keep talking please?"  All these people do is sit in a circle and talk. 

[Ms.Lulu]

Just now, toodywoody said:

But where were the kids supposed to stay, especially if they brought their girlfriends or spouses? On the floor at Robyn's. It makes no sense how he's acting.

It only makes sense if you need to be in control of everyone and be unconditionally adored.

[altopower]

But Kody and Robyn don't want other people at their McMansion, really.  And I am so sick of hearing about Kody's pain.

[Ms.Lulu]

Robyn wants the apology, she doesn't like the fact that Kody is demanding it on the show.

I'm sure she has been in his ear playing that she is the scapegoat.

Edited December 12, 2022 by Ms.Lulu

[KateHearts]

14 minutes ago, Twopper said:

where did Janelle’s family end up last Christmas?  I am so confused by the timeline 

This was filmed before the 2021 holidays. In 2020 (first year of COVID), Robyn and Meri and Kody spent Christmas together; remember Robyn crying that they couldn't be together since Janelle and Christine didn't follow the rules.

[altopower]

Hey Kody - you are supposed to be the adult in these relationships. Garrison and Gabe are your KIDS. You have a responsibility to initiate conversation and discussion if you think it's needed. 

[VioletNevermind]

This is absolutely not a family anymore in any way whatsoever.  It’s Kody, Robyn, their children, and (to quote the Gilligan’s Island theme song) The Rest.  Kody needs to cut to the fucking chase and just admit that Robyn is his favorite -and only- wife.  Honestly, I would probably be able to drum up a shred of respect for him if he did that.  The real victims here are the older kids.  I thought that Janelle’s daughter was quite gracious when discussing her pathetic father and the fact that he hardly ever sees his other wives’ kids.  She knows she can’t do anything about it, so she just tries to make peace with it as best she can.  There’s a real maturity to that . . . that she shouldn’t have had to develop.

Janelle should have just left.  There is no way on earth I would sit there and watch him put on that performance, complete with beating his fists on his legs like a child.  The moment he stood up over me and yelled at me would have been the last straw.  And Robyn putting up her hands and trying to pretend as if she’s just the innocent bystander is laughable at best.  She is so utterly manipulative; it’s really something to behold.  She knows precisely what she’s doing.  

[altopower]

Kody, your kids know that you picked and chose Robyn and her kids. They ALL know that. 

[Ms.Lulu]

Why does Kody think he is making huge sacrifices for his kids? Didn't he tell Janelle that they had to move out or he wouldn't spend time with Janelle?

Also, why does Kody keep bringing up Christine? It seems like he is blaming Christine for everything. The failure of Kody polygamy, the failure of Kody's relationships with his kids, the failure of holidays are all Christine's fault.

[toodywoody]

2 minutes ago, Ms.Lulu said:

It only makes sense if you need to be in control of everyone and be unconditionally adored.

You're right.

Kidney needs to realize his grown ass kids are grown. They can decide who and where they want to spend the holidays with. Grown kids often go see both parents, but he's making it to where they don't want to see him AT ALL. It is not the mother's job to make sure they spend time with him and Robyn. These are all his kids and he needs to make the effort, but that would involve him, making an effort and he's too busy with his head up Robyn's ass. You would think since he is constantly throwing himself around about how the 2 mothers have turned their kids against him, you would think he would try to reach out, but he can't even do that. So it's on you douchecanoe.

[Ms.Lulu]

Not sure why Kody thinks he doesn't get to pick who he hangs out with. He chose Robyn. We have heard Kody and Meri say that relationship is over and they don't spend time together. Kody is picking NOT to spend time with Meri. We've heard Christine's kids say he is never around. We have heard Janelle's kids say the same. He is not picking them as hang out buddies.

Kody is picking to hang out with Robyn and her spawn only.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Ms.Lulu

[EtheltoTillie]

29 minutes ago, Ms.Lulu said:

There is a lot of weight to this episode. We can all see that Janelle sees the writing on the wall. Robyn and Kody want her out. 

The 'unplanned' conversation about whether Janelle was still committed was clearly planned by Kody and Robyn.

I still believe that Robyn and Kody think they will be able to act their way to swaying popular opinion that Kody is the wronged person in the family.

Not after his mad screaming fest. He was unhinged!  

[altopower]

2 minutes ago, Ms.Lulu said:

Also, why does Kody keep bringing up Christine? It seems like he is blaming Christine for everything. The failure of Kody polygamy, the failure of Kody's relationships with his kids, the failure of holidays are all Christine's fault.

Because she's not there so she's an easy target.

[whydoievencare]

Kody's sad little boy voice "it's funny that they get to pick and choose who they want to spend time with, but I can't".  But in fact Kody did pick and choose who he spent his time with and that was Robyn and her children.  Kody made it very clear for the past two years.  But it's all Janelle's fault their children aren't happy with him.  Sure Jan.  

[Art Of Noiz]

10 minutes ago, Ms.Lulu said:

The rules come up again. We all saw the they got the rules right before the holidays the previous year. Kody seems to forget that it is all caught on video.

Kody has to talk respect and persecution yet again. 

And how he doesn't have support from Janelle. HE has had to deal with Covid protocols, HE has had to deal with being away from the part of the family he doesn't like. HE was left by a wife that he mistreated. HE and his family (not Janelle and their kids--his wife Robyn and their kids) got Covid.

At least Kody is making it easy for me to walk away after this season. He is an asshat.

He has to do EVERYTHING. "To SAVE you!"

[Adeejay]

As the favored wife, Robyn never felt the injustice that the OG wives did, so, she needs to put a sock in it.  She is extremely selfish.  She expects Meri and Janelle to stay in a relationship with Kody, when he treats them like crap, while worshiping her.  "Ironically, Meri’s trying to support me, and I don't want to be in a relationship with her anymore." In the meantime, Robyn is telling Meri to hang in there. 

[eskimo]

Janelle is pulling the curtain back a little this episode, in her TH's.  Nothing we didn't already figure on, but it's nice to finally hear it said out loud. I also would like to hear this said to Robyn and Kody's faces, but this way she gets to say it, know they will hear it, and they don't get much of a rebuttal.  If she said this stuff in their meetings it would just devolve into the Kody Drama HOUR, which might be a little fun too, but then Janelle wouldn't get another word in. So this is OK, too.

Janelle, we also feel like Robyn's 'I'm so confused' act has always been a huge load of bullshit. 

[EtheltoTillie]

31 minutes ago, Ms.Lulu said:

There is a lot of weight to this episode. We can all see that Janelle sees the writing on the wall. Robyn and Kody want her out. 

The 'unplanned' conversation about whether Janelle was still committed was clearly planned by Kody and Robyn.

I still believe that Robyn and Kody think they will be able to act their way to swaying popular opinion that Kody is the wronged person in the family.

Not after his mad screaming fest. He was unhinged!  

There was a lot of rilly rilly dilling with fillings tonight. 

[mythoughtis]

I really wish Janelle would tell Robyn to stop trying to be the third wheel in Janelle and Kody’s marriage. They don’t need Robyn trying to be the chairman in the meeting 

[goofygirl]

So, it looks like we're at the end of the season!  Thank you Jeebus!!  This last little diatribe of Douchie's was one real giant piece of crap.  It's like he's forgotten that a bunch of this stuff has been memorialized on film.  And I BET there are DATES on there that he can reflect back on and see "Yes, I DID say that those boys of Janelle's (Certainly not OUR boys) would not be welcome UNTIL they apologize to ME and to SOBBYN".  Yes, you douchecanoe, you SAID THAT!

I'm so tired of his narcissism!  He's just a complete and total bullshitter.  

It looks like the "one-on-one" is just gonna be more bull.  I'm about done with the whole thing.

[juicyfruit]

At the end of this episode, I totally envisioned a balloon flying around as it deflated, landing in pile of poop. What an unsatisfactory ending to this crapfest.

I didn't have the ability to rewind and rewatch anything, so please jump in and correct me if I missed something. But did Meri not say that she was about to address the fact that Kodi has been treating her the same way that he is accusing Christine of treating him? Cut to commercial. Back to the show. And then... *insert balloon deflating* Nothing?

Janelle all riled up and leaving the conversation after Kody yells at her as per the thousands of commercials leading up to this episode. And then... *insert balloon deflating* she turns around and sits back down. (And then SHE tells Kody "it's ok").

But I do love Janelle gettin' rilly rill about Robyn doing the fake confused face.

P.s. We did see a great glimpse of Sobyn, The KoDouche Whisperer when SHE explains to HIM how his strained relationship with the kids is magnified by the divorce.

Edited December 12, 2022 by juicyfruit
Forgot to give props to Janelle for calling out Robyn.

[Art Of Noiz]

42 minutes ago, KateHearts said:

Have we ever seen a more consistent deflector and picture ("pitcher") of pure self-centeredness as that of Kody Brown? It's ALL ABOUT HIM, ladies! Do you KNOW what he just went through? A divorce that was a COMPLETE BLINDSIDE? A WIFE who TALKS BEHIND HIS BACK and TURNS HIS KIDS AGAINST HIM?? The awful, agonizing near-death experience of COVID-19??!  I couldn't believe he started with his hair-flipping, Shakespearian-like emoting with Janelle, who took a page from Christine's book and very calmly told him, over and over, that he had indeed demanded apologies from his sons before he would deign to associate with them. And what was the reference to "alcoholic families" he used twice? What was the "donkey turning the wheel" analogy, which, apparently is a "compliment to Robyn" because it means she is helping the family to get to the root of their issues? My head was spinning. But what I so, so wished for Janelle to say, she didn't: "Kody, if you are saying you want to start communicating with your sons, then you, as their FATHER, should reach out and make arrangements to talk things out." He loves to put the wives in the middle and make them do his dirty work. Then, of course, it's their fault when things don't go his way (i.e., when he isn't held up as the paragon of fatherly virtue). 

Meri is getting closer and closer every episode to being about as useful as a cardboard cutout of herself, just sittin' there sayin' nothing and contributing less. And once again, Kody just comes out and says he's trying to get that barnacle of a wife out of his life. Yet, she "keeps trying." Oh, Meri- have thee no dignity?

Cardboard cutout!! I laughed hard. Ty!