sharky June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 BitOfFluff, I believe you're thinking of Rule 34: "If it exists, there is porn of it." And yes, I'm sure a quick FF search would find some Captain Charming smut for you. And at least those fans aren't bitter about their ship not being canon. Link to comment
OnceUponAJen June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 I'm starting to wish I actually got my Master's in Digital Communications, because this would make a juicy thesis. I've been able to find "psychology of fandom" on the web, but it's mostly about sports fandom. Link to comment
Mari June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 What amazes me is how consistently cheerful and gracious she was in her timeline, without backing down. Just a blunt-but not nasty--"Oops. Now you're blocked." That would be a long, hard few hours if you actually read them all. 4 Link to comment
ABitOFluff June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 BitOfFluff, I believe you're thinking of Rule 34: "If it exists, there is porn of it." And yes, I'm sure a quick FF search would find some Captain Charming smut for you. And at least those fans aren't bitter about their ship not being canon. I searched, and there is! Not a lot, but..yay! I've been able to find "psychology of fandom" on the web, but it's mostly about sports fandom. That's funny, because I didn't get my Master's at University College London, because a) I ran out of funding and b) I didn't like the thesis topic I was assigned, which was about online sports communities. Maybe I need to go back. What amazes me is how consistently cheerful and gracious she was in her timeline, without backing down. Just a blunt-but not nasty--"Oops. Now you're blocked." That would be a long, hard few hours if you actually read them all. Exactly, I'm a fan of YNB because of Community and the fact that she's a huge OUAT fangirl, but she's completely in the right about this. And from some of the responses I saw, SQ fans were insulted by the hashtag, so their replies came off to me is as "whaaa, you hurt my feelings". Maybe it's because I'm a grown-ass woman, but if a stranger on Twitter hurts your poor widdle feelings, you're lucky that's your biggest problem in life. I really think some of the more rational SwanQueen shippers need to police the bad apples. Every time things blow up, I see the same Twitter accounts spotlighted. IMO, that Kyle guy is the worst. To refer back to an old meme, Stop helping! You're making our side look bad! 1 Link to comment
OnceUponAJen June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 What amazes me is how consistently cheerful and gracious she was in her timeline, without backing down. Just a blunt-but not nasty--"Oops. Now you're blocked." That would be a long, hard few hours if you actually read them all. That sounds like the best course of action really. Emotional responses just feed into it and make it worse. Link to comment
HoodlumSheep June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 YNB is awesome. And that tweet was totally aimed at the BA's who harass everyone because their ship isn't canon. She just wants everyone to ship and let ship. 2 Link to comment
Faemonic June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 For real. Especially the rather loathsome exchange among SQers who were insisting that Lana's marriage is a sham and her husband is just her "beard." I mean, seriously? It's stuff like that that gives the gay community a bad name! Like I keep saying, there are no Movement Rights that dismiss or violate individual rights. Calling somebody's marriage a sham, demanding that person out themselves, presuming to out that person for them, it's just as oppressive as heteronormativity. Wherever these so-called activists stand, they are shooting themselves in the foot. 2 Link to comment
Writing Wrongs June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 This particular set of "fans" baffles me. You like SwanQueen, fine. But why are they trying to make Lana and Jennifer out to be something they're not? They really can't separate reality from fantasy? Are they all teenagers or something? Are these actual adults acting this way? I've never followed a show where it's gotten this bad. I miss the old Buffy/Angel vs. Buffy/Spike days. 2 Link to comment
mjgchick June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 She's not backing down at all. This fascinating to me. Why can't Adam ever defend his cast, former cast or guest stars? 6 Link to comment
Faemonic June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 (edited) This particular set of "fans" baffles me. You like SwanQueen, fine. But why are they trying to make Lana and Jennifer out to be something they're not? They really can't separate reality from fantasy? Are they all teenagers or something? Are these actual adults acting this way? I've never followed a show where it's gotten this bad. I miss the old Buffy/Angel vs. Buffy/Spike days. It might not be a matter of age. De Clerambault's syndrome (obsession with a celebrity, especially a strong delusional narrative where the admirer and the object of admiration are already in a close relationship) doesn't depend on age as far as I know, and I would suspect that this sort of gossip column proxy is related. I think the Lord of the Rings movie had some "Gay hobbits mean gay actors" vitriol that Sean Astin and Elijah Wood decided to turn the tables and troll with, or maybe Dominic Monaghan and that other guy. And the musical version of Wicked seems to have had some fans insisting that Kirsten Chenowith and Idina Menzel were totally doing it with each other behind their husbands' backs, which, you know...stay classy, theater patrons. And, unfortunately, I can't say that the Captain Swan subsect that bleeds into Coliffer have never put a toe out of line. But I didn't get too deep in the LoTR or Wicked fandoms, so I don't know if it's much worse than the bad apples in the Swan Queen ship. I do have this suspicion that Joss Whedon wrote Tara in as Willow's next love interest to test if orientation diversity could help him dodge fannon fire from shippers. Whedon had said in a DVD commentary that fans were very angry and upset that Willow and Xander weren't happening because of Oz, despite what a cool character Oz was, so Whedon was no stranger to the volatile creator-audience relationship when it comes to shipping. Since it was the 1990s, homophobia was coming to be frowned upon (but not so frowned upon that we in 2015 can have Ruby and Lily hook up without some parent complaining about having to explain to their kid that gay people exist), so...Tara! Essentially, the female Riley! But Riley went down like a granite balloon because basically Home Office anti-magic tech grunt...but mostly because he's Not Angel. And equally pretty, equally sweet, equally boring Tara gets to stay because any fans heaping the same vitriol on her for not being Xander or not being Oz just look bad. Fortunately it also meant the vitriol could continue indiscriminately after Tara, with Kennedy being condemned for Not Being Tara. Breaking the Buffy-Angel-Spike triangle by having Spike and Angel make out? Only in the official comic series continuation. Because network politics, probably. Fan politics would have loved it. But if A&E thought they could shut Swan Queen up by defaulting to Disney Heteronormativity, they need lessons from Joss Whedon. Robin Hood is like OUAT's Riley! Edited June 25, 2015 by Faemonic 1 Link to comment
maryle June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 That really interesting to read. Thank to sharin Well, evren if I‘m careful to stay in the CS tag I cannot escape the warzone!! Now the SQ bad apple have other cible Yvette who will be moderator at C.com. I guess she catering not enough to their fanon ship and like the canon story too much!! It become just a big joke at this stade. Link to comment
sharky June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 I think YNB took a wrong move by started out in the first few tweets about the Comic Con panel by tagging her tweet #YourShipIsNotCanon. I know many people don't remember the hate thrown at her last year so they found it to be instigating, which I actually agree with. She shouldn't have started out on the defensive, but the reaction from Swan Queen was over the top. As usual. Look, if you ship a fanon, there are certain things you have to accept, and not being treated as well as a canon pairing is one of them. We've all had our fanon ships that have required us to get a thick skin, which is something I think Swan Queen fans lack. 1 Link to comment
Rumsy4 June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 (edited) I agree sharky. That speaks to her experiences from the BAs of that ship faction, and it is unfair to have to tiptoe around the sensibilities of fans to make sure nothing one says offends anyone. However, YNB quite was pointed in her tweets, even if she did not tag SQ, and she could have avoided that. The whole situation is messed up. Edited June 25, 2015 by Rumsy4 3 Link to comment
Dani-Ellie June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 (edited) Foul language warning! Honestly, I'm getting so very tired of this whole thing. The SQ fans doing this are big giant fucking babies who have no concept that the world doesn't revolve around them. This is a TV show about mashed-up fractured fairy tales, for fuck's sake. It's not the Great American TV show, it's not going to be studied in history books a hundred years from now. It doesn't (and shouldn't) have to walk on eggshells to include some imagined character pairing that no one outside a small subset of online fans even knows exists. It's enterainment; it's supposed to be fun. If it's no longer fun for them, they're well within their rights to move on with their lives. They are not within their rights to bully, harass, and insult their fellow fans, the actors, the writers, the network, and anyone who dares posts a Captain Swan tweet or fanfic by telling them they're homophobic/supporting rape culture/"creepy as fuck." All that does is dehumanize everyone else, turn everyone else into an Other. If the show really makes them that angry, they should turn off their TV sets and computers and go outside or something, because again, this is a silly television show about mashed-up fractured fairy tales. If it doesn't really make them that angry, they should go read their fics and make their art and leave everyone else the hell alone. Basically, I just wish they would grow the fuck up, for Christ's sake. (Whew. I guess I needed that.) Edited June 25, 2015 by Dani-Ellie 16 Link to comment
october June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 They are not within their rights to bully, harass, and insult their fellow fans, the actors, the writers, the network, and anyone who dares posts a Captain Swan tweet or fanfic by telling them they're homophobic/supporting rape culture/"creepy as fuck." The strength of their projection is pretty damn impressive though (I mean impressive like a particularly deadly virus is impressive for its potency but is otherwise as scary and disgusting as hell). Between their flauting of stereotypes about lesbians wearing flannel and their insistence that JMO and LP are gay and just need 'gently' nudging out of the closet they've got the homophobia down pat. Their precious cinammon roll Regina raped a man for 30 years and killed him but cares so little about it that she may as well stand on top of the clock tower belting out 'Non, je ne regrette rien'. And one of the most common rationales for SwanQueen that I've come across says that Regina ending up with Snow's daughter would make up for Daniel's death and young Snow 'destroying Regina's happy ending'; a truly disturbing frame of mind which erases Regina's victimisation of a ten year old and treats Emma like she's the prize at the bottom of a cereal box. 6 Link to comment
Curio June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 Maybe we need to start a #CaptainCharming uprising. If the "official" Once Upon a Time Twitter feed posts pictures of Emma and Regina with a little ♥ next to it, then damn it I want some Hook and Charming pictures with a little ♥ next to it, too. Even though they're not canon, they deserve to be treated the same as all the other canon couples on the show, because you're homophobic if you don't agree with me. 10 Link to comment
Mari June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 Maybe we need to start a #CaptainCharming uprising. If the "official" Once Upon a Time Twitter feed posts pictures of Emma and Regina with a little ♥ next to it, then damn it I want some Hook and Charming pictures with a little ♥ next to it, too. Even though they're not canon, they deserve to be treated the same as all the other canon couples on the show, because you're homophobic if you don't agree with me. Well, they are both very good looking, and have had an up and down, often antagonistic relationship. Plus, one is blond and one is brunet. That totally justifies a heart and an obsessive ship, right? Oh. Wait. Not necessarily. :) Link to comment
YaddaYadda June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 Maybe we need to start a #CaptainCharming uprising. If the "official" Once Upon a Time Twitter feed posts pictures of Emma and Regina with a little ♥ next to it, then damn it I want some Hook and Charming pictures with a little ♥ next to it, too. Even though they're not canon, they deserve to be treated the same as all the other canon couples on the show, because you're homophobic if you don't agree with me. OMG! Do it! Do it! Their precious cinammon roll Regina raped a man for 30 years and killed him but cares so little about it that she may as well stand on top of the clock tower belting out 'Non, je ne regrette rien' You've ruined this song for me, forever! And one of the most common rationales for SwanQueen that I've come across says that Regina ending up with Snow's daughter would make up for Daniel's death and young Snow 'destroying Regina's happy ending'; a truly disturbing frame of mind which erases Regina's victimisation of a ten year old and treats Emma like she's the prize at the bottom of a cereal box. This is very disturbing. So Emma is just the price of Daniel's death? I think Emma suffered enough because of what Regina did, but what's one more abusive relationship for Emma? Episode 4x05...never forget! 1 Link to comment
Featherhat June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 (edited) They are not within their rights to bully, harass, and insult their fellow fans, the actors, the writers, the network, and anyone who dares posts a Captain Swan tweet or fanfic by telling them they're homophobic/supporting rape culture/"creepy as fuck." I can't stand it when people hide behind real life social issues to justify their shipping wars. I used to do it myself until I accepted that why I wanted X and Y to be canon on so many shows had nothing to do with representation on TV in general. OUAT does have an issue with lack of gay couples/characters on the show when they've been perfectly happy to mix up gender and race, not to mention putting random pairings together, not based in the same mythology even. They should address this but it doesn't mean fans can call the writers/actors/other fans homophobic because they don't accept your fandom ship as canon. It means they should work in actual gay characters. In that respect ABC tweeting pics of SwanQueen with hearts is at best misguided and just stoking the flames. It gives the rabid SQers fuel to carry on and could be seen as a bit queerbaiting. (apologies for over used word) in that they aren't going to go there on screen with them and this isn't the 90s where acknowledging the supposed "subtext" with a playful winknudge was all showrunners could get away with and it was better than nothing. They can actually have had Sleeping Beauty and Mulan ending up together if they had wanted but they're still acting as though fandom games are all they can get away with. And calling people who love Hook and CS "rape culture supporters" is just inexplicable when half (more like 7/8ths) of their preferred couple is an actual on screen rapist. Or at the very least doesn't give a shit about informed consent or anyone else's feelings/boundaries. ON SCREEN. Or does it not count because Regina is a woman? And now who's supporting traditional gendered thinking. And Lana should just back off. I get that it must be nice to have people who seem to worship you and think your other big female co star should be grateful if you deigned to insult her even, but that's definite flame fanning supporting people who seem hell bent on trashing everyone on the cast who isn't you. As for attacks on SM what do they expect. "Yeah I thought I had a pretty sweet deal going with a regular role on a popular TV show with regular checks and TV/media exposure, but now all your vitriol at me has convinced me that SQ is the true way. I will now become a public SQ shipper convert and constantly badger the writers and TV pundits to unite in making SQ canon, even though it would leave me with no job or drastically reduced screen time and I'd be a laughing stock or it was assumed I was trying to burn my bridges and get fired. Or possibly trying to perv on [insert names of actresses' characters most likely to get paired up with Robin after OQ]. None of that practical stuff matters, these fictional characters deserve to be together. You've Stockholmed me into that." Edited June 25, 2015 by Featherhat 6 Link to comment
myril June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 I'm starting to wish I actually got my Master's in Digital Communications, because this would make a juicy thesis. I've been able to find "psychology of fandom" on the web, but it's mostly about sports fandom. If you are seriously interested in doing research and study about fandom, including tv show fandoms, there is a network: http://fanstudies.org/ 1 Link to comment
Serena June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 I just looked at that link and I saw this. It should be interesting, based on wheter or not they mention SQ, and what they say about it. Link to comment
OnceUponAJen June 25, 2015 Share June 25, 2015 Ah, thanks for the link! I also love the movie "Almost Famous" because it does present some elements of fandom that I've seen myself. I can really see some people I've known in the characters, and it's just a good movie besides. Link to comment
Faemonic June 26, 2015 Share June 26, 2015 Maybe we need to start a #CaptainCharming uprising. If the "official" Once Upon a Time Twitter feed posts pictures of Emma and Regina with a little ♥ next to it, then damn it I want some Hook and Charming pictures with a little ♥ next to it, too. Even though they're not canon, they deserve to be treated the same as all the other canon couples on the show, because you're homophobic if you don't agree with me. Captain Adultery? But they killed my non-incestuous OT3 with Neal (Baelfire Rumple Hook), so I'm hesitant about reviving it with Emma's Angels (Captain Charming Hood. If that's a movement, though, I am so there. Link to comment
mjgchick July 4, 2015 Share July 4, 2015 (edited) People in this fandom should just ignore Natalie Abraham's opinions. Edited July 4, 2015 by mjgchick 1 Link to comment
Serena July 4, 2015 Share July 4, 2015 Yes. I'm tired of people wanking up a storm every time she writes something. Yes, her predictions never come true (how about that Hook/Emma/August love triangle, lady?), but we know that, so why are people still giving her attention? 1 Link to comment
RadioGirl27 July 4, 2015 Share July 4, 2015 (edited) What is happening now? I'm in a bubble with a very limited internet access and I can't go to Tumblr. Edited July 4, 2015 by RadioGirl27 Link to comment
OnceUponAJen July 4, 2015 Share July 4, 2015 I only pay attention to interviews of people connected to the show. Otherwise, I take it with a grain of salt. Link to comment
Serena July 4, 2015 Share July 4, 2015 Nothing much. Natalie speculated in a new article that Regina was gonna become the new savior, taking Emma's place. People freaked out. Adam has been reassuring people that it's just speculation. 1 Link to comment
Camera One July 4, 2015 Share July 4, 2015 I'm sure A&E and the Writing team have gone back to carefully weigh the scales, so that the Regina fans and the Captain Swan fans have equal fan service to the nearest centigram, plus or minus a nanogram or two for Henry and Snowing. Link to comment
sharky July 4, 2015 Share July 4, 2015 Seriously, why does Natalie write this stuff? Her articles seem to always interject speculation with no basis. If you want baseless speculation parading as news, read Natalie. I would much prefer to stick with writers like Matt Mitovich or Michael Ausiello who know how to report without the drama. 1 Link to comment
Stuffy July 9, 2015 Share July 9, 2015 (edited) I will never get the obsession about where people sit during an interview or panel. I feel like it's a big deal in this fandom every comic con season. They're just chairs at a table. They don't dictate storylines. Edited July 9, 2015 by Stuffy 1 Link to comment
Curio July 9, 2015 Share July 9, 2015 I will never get the obsession about where people sit in chairs at a table. I feel like it's a big deal in this fandom every comic con season. They're just chairs. They don't dictate storylines. It's a bit silly, but I can kind of see where some of those fans are coming from. I haven't read up on any recent drama, but if some fans are looking for their favorite pairing to have fun interactions together on stage (kind of like Jen and Colin at Comic-Con last year, or that one convention where Josh hugged Jen and pretended to play the protective father), it's fun to see the actors playfully interact on stage with each other. But yeah, it's otherwise a fairly unimportant thing to worry about. 1 Link to comment
pezgirl7 July 9, 2015 Share July 9, 2015 The chairs don't dictate the story, but many times they follow them. In 2013, Jen and Colin weren't sitting next to each other, but last year they were. And like Curio said, if they hadn't of been, we wouldn't have gotten this: 2 Link to comment
OnceUponAJen July 10, 2015 Share July 10, 2015 I'm watching a documentary called "Fanarchy" on EPXDR (Epix). Link to comment
Selina K July 10, 2015 Share July 10, 2015 Did a seating chart for SDCC come out? Or was that just a general statement? Link to comment
Souris July 10, 2015 Share July 10, 2015 People keep asking Adam on Twitter. I think maybe they should just play Musical Chairs throughout the panel. 4 Link to comment
Stuffy July 10, 2015 Share July 10, 2015 (edited) Did a seating chart for SDCC come out? Or was that just a general statement? Just a general statement. Saw people talking about possible seating arrangements on Twitter. Edited July 10, 2015 by Stuffy Link to comment
sharky July 10, 2015 Share July 10, 2015 Wait, people are asking Adam on Twitter what exactly the seating chart is going to be? That's just nutty but expected I guess. Link to comment
Serena July 10, 2015 Share July 10, 2015 It's not the first year people are concerned with this. CS fans want a repeat of last year, and SQ fans want confirmation that Lana and Jen are never allowed to stand less than 10 feet away from each other at all times because of ABC's homophobia. 2 Link to comment
mjgchick July 10, 2015 Share July 10, 2015 ABCs homophobia where 3 of their highest rated series has gay couples having sex on screen? That ABC? 1 Link to comment
sharky July 11, 2015 Share July 11, 2015 (edited) Well, it's been confirmed that Jen and Colin will be sitting next to each other. Let the crazy commence! ETA: It looks like Jen is sandwiched between Colin and Lana. Geez, the show is run by trolls. ;) Edited July 11, 2015 by sharky 4 Link to comment
Serena July 11, 2015 Share July 11, 2015 Perfect occasion for wank if Jen looks at/talks to/acknowledges one and not the other ;) She better bring a timer to do it 50/50! Link to comment
OnceUponAJen July 11, 2015 Share July 11, 2015 Perfect occasion for wank if Jen looks at/talks to/acknowledges one and not the other ;) She better bring a timer to do it 50/50! Prepare for the bile to flow! Link to comment
Curio July 11, 2015 Share July 11, 2015 (edited) Perfect occasion for wank if Jen looks at/talks to/acknowledges one and not the other ;) She better bring a timer to do it 50/50! "Omg, did you see the way Jennifer and Lana briefly stared intensely for 2 seconds when they mentioned Emma's sacrifice?! They're totally going to be canon finally! But ugh, I can't believe Jen patted Colin on the shoulder and not Lana. It's a conspiracy!" I expect to see this somewhere on Tumblr today. Edited July 11, 2015 by Curio 4 Link to comment
Souris July 11, 2015 Share July 11, 2015 ETA: It looks like Jen is sandwiched between Colin and Lana. Geez, the show is run by trolls. ;) Indeed. 1 Link to comment
Curio July 11, 2015 Share July 11, 2015 (edited) I watched a stream of the Comic-Con panel, and I had to laugh when Eddy or Adam mentioned something about the show "bringing hope" to the fandom, and this show was their attempt to make us less cynical. The ironic thing is that I have never watched a TV show that has made me so incredibly cynical about the plots, characterization, and writing. Edited July 11, 2015 by Curio 12 Link to comment
mjgchick July 11, 2015 Share July 11, 2015 The trolling is strong. Colin and Lana don't even have to do anything. It's Jen who will get hated on if she does or says something others don't agree with. 4 Link to comment
Serena July 12, 2015 Share July 12, 2015 (edited) Have you missed OUAT wank? Did you think the fandom had been too quiet lately? So... Apparently "StarryMag" has been writing unflattering, SQ-related articles about Jen? I vaguely remember their name, I don't want to go to their site because I don't want to give them hits, I assume the usual "Jen is homophobic/a closeted lesbian" articles. So they got access to the press room... see their tweets. They were part of the round tables with the actors, but did not ask for questions from fans beforehand (like most other sites did) and they didn't even tell ANYONE they were gonna be there because they were afraid other fans were gonna send their articles to ABC and get them banned from the press room. Sidebar: how incompetent are ABC's publicists that they'd give a press pass to a site without even checking if they've been writing attack articles on their leading lady? Anyway, should we assume this was the person who asked Jen the "Emma chose Regina over Hook" question? I can't say for sure, but I would bet some money on it. Edited July 12, 2015 by Serena Link to comment
Souris July 12, 2015 Share July 12, 2015 (edited) I'm pretty sure the person who asked the SQ question that irritated Jen was the StarryMag writer. The editor of StarryMag (whose Tweets you linked to) also writes for Huffington Post's blog section and has written several "articles" for them blasting Jen, Once and the entire fandom for being homophobes who bully SQ fans. In one of the pieces, she screencapped a tweet of Jen's and basically called her homophobic. She is VERY agenda-driven and, frankly, not too bright, because I'm not sure how deliberately asking loaded SQ questions and making Jen angry is supposed to help the SQ cause. IMO, she did way more harm than good to SQ with that stunt. I hope that StarryMag is not allowed anywhere near the Once pressroom next year. Jen's Twitter mentions were filled all day yesterday with seemingly every SQer begging for a selfie with her and Lana. It was not forthcoming. In case anybody doesn't realize that the online hate affects the actors, Sean referenced at SDCC the fact that he was doubtless gonna get more death threats on Twitter, and a girl who was at a M&G with Sean & Lana at the Brazil con Tweeted: Lana and sean talked about how there are ppl who hate them or want them dead which is why they don't share as much. They were + both a little teary eyed and comforted each other and Lana said sean gets it a lot and I was BEYOND PISSED Edited July 12, 2015 by Souris 1 Link to comment
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