Current Plots Discussion II: Discussing Today's Episode and Current Storylines

[Artsda]

The police need motive told to them to arrest Xander and Kate knows the makes her son arrested with him for fraud.  

Xander will get out of this and now they're even. Both did something bad to the other. 

[tessaray]

3 hours ago, Artsda said:

Xander will get out of this and now they're even. Both did something bad to the other. 

That beating was brutal and savage (and hard to watch). It wasn't just a black eye, it was injuries to multiple internal organs. Phillip temporarily took half of a fortune so large neither could spend it all in a lifetime. They don't seem equal to me. 

[DisneyBoy]

Today's violence, I think, set that back at least 2 years.

I'm rather impressed with the show for allowing people to hate and distance themselves from Xander for years, given the horrible things he's done.

I really don't want Philip to forgive or overlook this in 6 months. Screw being brothers if this is where it leads. And I also hope Kate, Belle and Maggie have long-lasting anger towards Xander for this. This was nuts and way beyond the pale.

...which sucks to say because I was legitimately enjoying Xander's slow growth into a decent human being. I don't want that thrown away.

But here we are. Actions have consequences.

[boes]

I watched today's show.  Nice to think that Show might be giving Kate something to do besides stir the chowder but the less said about Stephanie's soft core porn book, the better.  The less seen of Alex, better still.

I hated seeing Xander do what he did to Philip.  All I could think of, he was beating up a man with one leg.   I don't like Philip, especially this incarnation of him but Xander's beating was brutal and it was regressing the character back to the bad old days.

So Shawn calls in sick and then sits around Horton Square, looking absolutely fine and runs into his boss?  He's not the brightest light in the socket, is he?

[methodwriter85]

56 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

Today's violence, I think, set that back at least 2 years.

I'm rather impressed with the show for allowing people to hate and distance themselves from Xander for years, given the horrible things he's done.

I really don't want Philip to forgive or overlook this in 6 months. Screw being brothers if this is where it leads. And I also hope Kate, Belle and Maggie have long-lasting anger towards Xander for this. This was nuts and way beyond the pale.

...which sucks to say because I was legitimately enjoying Xander's slow growth into a decent human being. I don't want that thrown away.

But here we are. Actions have consequences.

I could have sworn Paul Telfer kind of seemed to hint that he's not happy where the new writers took Xander, and yeah, this tracks.

I'm kind of surprised they went as far as they did with that. This show has been so campy and light touch under Ron that I was kind of shocked to see something different. I mean, Xander literally kidnapped Bonnie but this felt much more brutal in some way. 

[TimsLove25]

Oh for sure, Phillip should not forgive and forget in six months.

It should be a year before they are healed enough to *want* to be family again. Not saying they can't have moments...but Xander must work for this. No insta anything.

And even with forgiveness, it's changed forever.

Edited May 20 by TimsLove25

[DisneyBoy]

11 hours ago, boes said:

Nice to think that Show might be giving Kate something to do besides stir the chowder

Oh God. Now I'm going to forever associate that with her riding Grandpa Roman. Thanks Boes!

🤢 😅

11 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

I could have sworn Paul Telfer kind of seemed to hint that he's not happy where the new writers took Xander, and yeah, this tracks.

I'm kind of surprised they went as far as they did with that. This show has been so campy and light touch under Ron that I was kind of shocked to see something different. I mean, Xander literally kidnapped Bonnie but this felt much more brutal in some way. 

I was thinking about his comments too. He definitely knew this wouldn't go over well.

I'm reminded of the sabotage of Carl Hutchins, when AW wanted to let Charles Keating go, so they had him regress into a murdering, manipulative creep in his final weeks.

At least they set it up that he was suffering from a brain tumor, but still...it was ugly.

We know they aren't firing Paul, which is a relief, but this is so dark it's triggering the memory.

I wonder how awful he's going to be to Sarah. 😬

[CanaryFan98]

Don't remind me of Carl's trajectory I can accept Xander being reformed more than Carl or at least reformed in being paired with Rachel after Mac died. It would be the equivalent of this show pairing up Stefano/Marlena after John died. 

I was always Team Amanda when it came to hating Carl being married to her mother.

That being said I actually think Xander was better off as a thug character he originally was. However if the show wants him long term he has to be redeemable(well should be I mean this is the same show that made a serial killer a romantic lead).

Edited May 20 by CanaryFan98

[Artsda]

20 hours ago, tessaray said:

That beating was brutal and savage (and hard to watch). It wasn't just a black eye, it was injuries to multiple internal organs. Phillip temporarily took half of a fortune so large neither could spend it all in a lifetime. They don't seem equal to me. 

Philip didn't just take half a fortune temporarily. He committed multiple felonies against his own family.  He took them to court and lied to the court. 

Fraud over very large sum, forgery, perjury, stealing from inheritance, among others. He could go to jail longer than an assault case of Xander. 

They both committed crimes, Xander more brutal but both still big  crimes they both need to cover up or both go to jail to share a cell. 

Arianna liking her mother is odd writing since Gabi has been an absentee mother without custody Arianna entire life. Always focused on herself, her crimes, her husband's, her company and not really being a parent. 

[tessaray]

1 hour ago, Artsda said:

Philip didn't just take half a fortune temporarily. He committed multiple felonies against his own family.  He took them to court and lied to the court. 

Fraud over very large sum, forgery, perjury, stealing from inheritance, among others. He could go to jail longer than an assault case of Xander. 

It ended up being temporary. Phillip is so inept. Also, Phillip's current crimes are all non-violent. Sure, the time would add up but irl it could be served at a Club Fed. What Xander did was the opposite. I hope the writers don't whitewash it by some false equivalency. 

YMMV, of course.

Edited May 21 by tessaray

[DisneyBoy]

4 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

It would be the equivalent of this show pairing up Stefano/Marlena after John died. 

😅 Ehhhh...not quite but I see your point! 😆

4 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

I was always Team Amanda when it came to hating Carl being married to her mother.

Even during the Sydney Prescott fiasco?

I loved that Matt and Amanda never wanted him there - why would they? - and also loved Carl with Rachel. Both things felt right somehow. I so miss Charles Keating.

4 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

However if the show wants him long term he has to be redeemable (well should be I mean this is the same show that made a serial killer a romantic lead).

That was only because of his so-called irresistible physique.

Ok...you know what? Let's just ask the question: whose body makes it easier to overlook their crimes - BenAlex or Xander? (Since we know RSW's body is the main reason he's still here).

I vote Xander (though for his acting abilities too).

Cast your votes! 😄

[DisneyBoy]

2 hours ago, Artsda said:

Arianna liking her mother is odd writing since Gabi has been an absentee mother without custody Arianna entire life. Always focused on herself, her crimes, her husband's, her company and not really being a parent. 

Definitely agree here. For all the lip service we heard about Gabi desperately loving her kid over the years, they did the "lazy soap" thing and kept Ari off screen for most of her life. But hey - look at how they're writing Tate and Brady! You'd think he would feel uncomfortable around his absentee Dad. But nope! Brady barely saw him for decades and yet they're best buds.

Why was eveyone asking so many questions in this episode? For 5 minutes in the pub with Shawn, that's all Belle did,  practically.

So...John is due back with Paul later that night. I guess Paul will get dialogue later about the things they discussed...? Paul will transmit John's final goodbyes? Not sure I like that.

....mostly because it makes *zero* sense that after being without her husband for months and even going on a rescue mission to find him, Marlena isn't given a chance to hear his voice over the phone or maybe Facetime with him. John would absolutely talk to her himself. He'd know how stressed out she'd been. No matter his condition he would find a way.

Sigh.

Ari is...huge! So much taller than Gabi it's weird. She should have been cast a bit younger...but then, she's supposed to be older than Holly by a few years, so...I kinda get it. But it's weird.

Gabi suddenly being rude to Javi to push him towards what I assume will be a firefighter storyline is clumsy. Nice to get some character history on him but this plus Stephanie's romance novel plot screams "New Headwriters! New Ideas!" LOL

Leo motormouthing makes me leave the room.

Nice mixing of characters and stories though.

Julie got to be pissed about three different people today! Is that a record for her?

For a couple with no chemistry, Belle and Shawn are sure pretty. The talk they had about "two miracles" was a clever way of prepping the audience.

...do you think there are viewers out there unaware of Drake's passing?

Edited May 21 by DisneyBoy

[norcalgal]

2 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Definitely agree here. For all the lip service we heard about Gabi desperately loving her kid over the years, they did the "lazy soap" thing and kept Ari off screen for most of her life. But hey - look at how they're writing Tate and Brady! You'd think he would feel uncomfortable around his absentee Dad. But nope! Brady barely saw him for decades and yet they're best buds.

Yeah, I’ve posted before that it’s so unrealistic (and a nitpick I have with the show) that Days always forces a bond between people just because they’re related, even when the people rarely interacted/were in each other’s lives.

2 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

For a couple with no chemistry, Belle and Shawn are sure pretty. The talk they had about "two miracles" was a clever way of prepping the audience.

I liked the scenes of Belle and Shawn supporting each other as they did in the Brady Pub. Hopefully, they can continue to be friendly and supportive of each other, no matter if they remain exes, or are a couple again in the future.

[brisbydog]

7 hours ago, tessaray said:

It ended up being temporary. Phillip is so inept. Also, Phillip's current crimes are all non-violent. Sure, the time would add up but irl it could be served at a Club Fed. What Xander did was the opposite. I hope the writers don't whitewash it by some false equivalency. 

YMMV, of course.

It's not temporary though. He's permanently got half of Titan unless he is exposed 

6 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

😅 Ehhhh...not quite but I see your point! 😆

Even during the Sydney Prescott fiasco?

I loved that Matt and Amanda never wanted him there - why would they? - and also loved Carl with Rachel. Both things felt right somehow. I so miss Charles Keating.

That was only because of his so-called irresistible physique.

Ok...you know what? Let's just ask the question: whose body makes it easier to overlook their crimes - BenAlex or Xander? (Since we know RSW's body is the main reason he's still here).

I vote Xander (though for his acting abilities too).

Cast your votes! 😄

Alex does nothing for me. And I love Xander but prefer him clothed. It's about the acting for me

[CanaryFan98]

13 hours ago, Artsda said:

Philip didn't just take half a fortune temporarily. He committed multiple felonies against his own family.  He took them to court and lied to the court. 

Fraud over very large sum, forgery, perjury, stealing from inheritance, among others. He could go to jail longer than an assault case of Xander. 

They both committed crimes, Xander more brutal but both still big  crimes they both need to cover up or both go to jail to share a cell. 

Arianna liking her mother is odd writing since Gabi has been an absentee mother without custody Arianna entire life. Always focused on herself, her crimes, her husband's, her company and not really being a parent. 

I'm hoping it's short lived because it greatly disappoints me that Ari isn't hell on wheels and making Gabi's life a living hell for this reason. 

Honestly the only parent she should have blind adoration for is Sonny because he's the only one that hasn't been absent.

10 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

😅 Ehhhh...not quite but I see your point! 😆

Even during the Sydney Prescott fiasco?

I loved that Matt and Amanda never wanted him there - why would they? - and also loved Carl with Rachel. Both things felt right somehow. I so miss Charles Keating.

That was only because of his so-called irresistible physique.

Ok...you know what? Let's just ask the question: whose body makes it easier to overlook their crimes - BenAlex or Xander? (Since we know RSW's body is the main reason he's still here).

I vote Xander (though for his acting abilities too).

Cast your votes! 😄

I'm going to have to look up that Sydney Prescott fiasco because it's been years since I've watched AW. CK was awesome but I didn't like Carl/Rachel since she was his victim for years everything else was fine his bond with Ryan. I would've gone for Carl/Donna or even Carl/Lorna(AC's version) over that.

It would be like Xander/Nicole falling in love and that just wouldn't work for me. At least Days didn't go there with a pairing(even though they had a ONS)

[TimsLove25]

Every time Xander mocks Phillip's mental issues, I want to slap him.

[DisneyBoy]

3 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

I'm going to have to look up that Sydney Prescott fiasco because it's been years since I've watched AW.

Hoo boy. Okay, so this was with the 2nd recast Amanda - the redhead. She and Mathew decided they couldn't stand Carl anymore and needed to fracture their mother's love for him...so Amanda pretended to be a woman whom Carl was having an affair with, named Sydney Prescott. She wore a wig, adopted an accent and made business dates with Carl in such a way as to arouse Rachel's suspicions. It worked, even though Carl denied having any affair. Ultimately, Carl revealed what Amanda had done by overlaying an acetate photo of "Syndey" on top of a photo of Amanda right in front of both her and Rachel.

It wasn't Matt and Amanda's best moment, LOL.

26 minutes ago, TimsLove25 said:

Every time Xander mocks Phillip's mental issues, I want to slap him.

100%. Although, let's give credit where it is due: Xander has never played the (overused in Salem) "But I Was Just Mentally Ill!" card. He's attempted to kill many times with all his mental faculties intact. He owns his crimes! I like that. (What was Philip ill with anyway? Jealousy?)

I didn't expect today to be the showdown day. I'm slightly disappointed. Sarah had a few too many tics today, gesturing and acting sassy, like they weren't fighting about such massive stuff. I expected more intensity and stillness from her. Paul, meanwhile, didn't blow up anywhere near as much as he could have. He glared plenty but didn't really go for it. Honestly, the background music was working harder than they were! They were fine, the script was great and the end result was... just ok.

Loved Suzanne, however. She was perfect. So good with Philip and with Sarah.

The Kat Krap was dumb. I really wish they'd pull a hard pivot on this character. Just make her evil. ALM can definitely play that. This timid sweet gal stuff is fake af.

Drunk Paulina painting imaginary dongs? Sounds about right.

I hope Johnny and Chanel repaint that hideous apartment.

Edited May 21 by DisneyBoy

[brisbydog]

Well, this was a difficult one for me. I love Xander, but I definitely support Sarah too. That’s what makes a great soap couple, when you enjoy them both equally. When I first watched Days, Steve was the flashy one I first noticed, but Kayla’s quiet strength was the anchor of that pairing, and still is. I think Xarah might get there in 30 years.

I think Sarah created this nightmare scenario with her choice back in January. Had she just gone to Xander in the first place, told him calmly with Maggie as backup, and encouraged him to legally remove Philip, then this would have been over without bloodshed. But she wanted to put him on a leash. We saw her early on almost enjoying her power over Philip and telling him she owned him and he had to listen to her. And eventually, her plan worked and Xander and Philip started to love each other. If this had been exposed on Day 1 Xander would not have the level of betrayal he felt for his brother. Listen to his words as he beat him, it was anger about being tricked, at building a bond he now thinks is fake. And his fear that people are ‘laughing behind his back’ has been a theme throughout.

Sarah’s initial argument that Victor would have ‘wanted’ this was always weak. The stronger one was her fear of losing Xander to jail. She should have drawn a line last year when she stopped him killing Brady. But she enabled that behaviour and accepted it. This mess, where she dragged more and more people into her lies, was not sustainable. Maggie should have told her to fess up as soon as she learned about it.

Today Xander was leaning into anger, but every now and then that mask would slip and you would see the deep hurt. When he said he could no longer trust her that was devastating, but she knew this all along. I am glad we got those scenes with Victoria to see that he is still in there struggling to manage his emotions. This is a man who was treated like an animal by Victor, neglected by Fiona, and trained to operate on anger. He has absolutely no tools to manage it. He desperately needs therapy. Pity the only shrink in town is one he shot once upon a time.

[BuckeyeLou]

I was riveted by today's scenes between Sarah & Xander, they were So Intense!  Both Linsey & Paul were excellent, I was in tears.  Paul's face shifted from anger to hurt to bitterness. And the portrait of Victor over Xander's shoulder was like a reminder that Xander inherited the 'black" side of Victor.  The scene of Xander talking to Victoria had my heart hurting.  It will take a long time for Xander & Sarah to reconcile but I hope they give Xander a redemption arc.  The other scenes were silly,  Paulina wanting to paint a nude male at the fundraiser, Catt being her usual twitchy self, these scenes were jarring in contrast to the intensity of the Xarah scenes.  Bravo to Paul & Linsey!

[CanaryFan98]

3 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Hoo boy. Okay, so this was with the 2nd recast Amanda - the redhead. She and Mathew decided they couldn't stand Carl anymore and needed to fracture their mother's love for him...so Amanda pretended to be a woman whom Carl was having an affair with, named Sydney Prescott. She wore a wig, adopted an accent and made business dates with Carl in such a way as to arouse Rachel's suspicions. It worked, even though Carl denied having any affair. Ultimately, Carl revealed what Amanda had done by overlaying an acetate photo of "Syndey" on top of a photo of Amanda right in front of both her and Rachel.

It wasn't Matt and Amanda's best moment, LOL.

100%. Although, let's give credit where it is due: Xander has never played the (overused in Salem) "But I Was Just Mentally Ill!" card. He's attempted to kill many times with all his mental faculties intact. He owns his crimes! I like that. (What was Philip ill with anyway? Jealousy?)

I didn't expect today to be the showdown day. I'm slightly disappointed. Sarah had a few too many tics today, gesturing and acting sassy, like they weren't fighting about such massive stuff. I expected more intensity and stillness from her. Paul, meanwhile, didn't blow up anywhere near as much as he could have. He glared plenty but didn't really go for it. Honestly, the background music was working harder than they were! They were fine, the script was great and the end result was... just ok.

Loved Suzanne, however. She was perfect. So good with Philip and with Sarah.

The Kat Krap was dumb. I really wish they'd pull a hard pivot on this character. Just make her evil. ALM can definitely play that. This timid sweet gal stuff is fake af.

Drunk Paulina painting imaginary dongs? Sounds about right.

I hope Johnny and Chanel repaint that hideous apartment.

That makes sense I tend to forget the stuff with the recast Amanda tbh. Thanks for the info. 

As for Days, Stephanie warning Cat about Chad made me wonder if this is foreshadowing of what will happen to this pairing. While it's probably not any of her business I don't mind Stephanie warning her either.

[boes]

5 hours ago, brisbydog said:

Today Xander was leaning into anger, but every now and then that mask would slip and you would see the deep hurt. When he said he could no longer trust her that was devastating, but she knew this all along.

Great post, Brisbydog, all of it.  The above line I quoted perfectly encapsulates what I saw in Xander today, too.  PT, in my opinion, really captured and conveyed the layers of Xander's feelings.

3 hours ago, BuckeyeLou said:

I was riveted by today's scenes between Sarah & Xander, they were So Intense!  Both Linsey & Paul were excellent, I was in tears.  Paul's face shifted from anger to hurt to bitterness.

I was riveted by them, too, BuckeyeLou.  LG, just like PT, really brought it in their scenes today.  She stood her ground, told him why she did what she did and she delivered all of it with force.  (I think and have thought that her decision to lie to Xander was all sorts of wrong, but she expressed her fear of Xander's actions while also letting him know she believed she was doing what was best).

Two characters, both doing the wrong things for the right, or at least, understandable, reasons.  

This was good storytelling and I'm glad that, thanks to what you've all written here on this forum, I tuned in to see it.

As some of you have said, PLEASE let Johnnie and Chanel repaint their apartment!

[Artsda]

Brady at Philips bedside is a joke.  After what  Philip did to him. The chalking up everything he did as mental illness is a joke.  Was then the forging and lying to steal was mental illness too? 

Sarah justified her lies to her husband, her treatment of Alex and Stephanie all because Xander beat up Philip. So Sarah is justified lol.  She really is trying to be morally superior. 

Xander shouldn't have gave into leave, it's Victor house. Maggie has 50 percent, Xander 50, Sarah 0. 

[TimsLove25]

7 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

 

100%. Although, let's give credit where it is due: Xander has never played the (overused in Salem) "But I Was Just Mentally Ill!" card. He's attempted to kill many times with all his mental faculties intact. He owns his crimes! I like that. (What was Philip ill with anyway? Jealousy?)

I didn't expect today to be the showdown day. I'm slightly disappointed. Sarah had a few too many tics today, gesturing and acting sassy, like they weren't fighting about such massive stuff. I expected more intensity and stillness from her. Paul, meanwhile, didn't blow up anywhere near as much as he could have. He glared plenty but didn't really go for it. 

I think Phillip's breakdown was about Chloe choosing Brady over him. So dumb. The acting today was mostly in the angry stage, which it should be. Emotionally, it didn't affect me too much.

And 100% to Xander and therapy, not with Marlena.

The only way he'll do it is if it's court ordered. Which is why Phillip needs to press charges.

ETA I don't really think it matters if Phillip does, though. If the police can charge him.

 

Edited May 22 by TimsLove25

[CanaryFan98]

44 minutes ago, Artsda said:

Brady at Philips bedside is a joke.  After what  Philip did to him. The chalking up everything he did as mental illness is a joke.  Was then the forging and lying to steal was mental illness too? 

Sarah justified her lies to her husband, her treatment of Alex and Stephanie all because Xander beat up Philip. So Sarah is justified lol.  She really is trying to be morally superior. 

Xander shouldn't have gave into leave, it's Victor house. Maggie has 50 percent, Xander 50, Sarah 0. 

Brady’s reaction doesn’t surprise me he’s forgiven worse. Plus he sees Phillip as family more than Xander despite their issues. Also helps that Chloe is gone. If she were around I would feel differently 

[methodwriter85]

4 hours ago, boes said:

As some of you have said, PLEASE let Johnnie and Chanel repaint their apartment!

It's very 1987 which makes sense for someone Jackee's age but zero sense for Johnny and Chanel. 

[oftentimes]

Oh man....the ending today...got me sad and mad.  Dubbing was awful. So I'm guessing John is going to die procuring the drug. 

So, Ari - a lot like her mama.  Betting Doug3 is going to regret this.  🙄

[brisbydog]

I love Xander but even I laughed when Brady said 'he has not terrorized our family for years'. Apparently trying to cook Eric, shooting Marlena, taking a hit job on Sami, kidnapping his child for a year and oh yes, shooting Brady himself is just Xander having a few larks with the fam. God Brady is stupid.

Sad to see "John" and know it is not really happening, but I am glad the world's slowest heist is wrapping up. There has been no urgency in this story.

For those worried about Tate, the actor got married and was on his honeymoon while this was taping.

Disappointed that this is Ari's first story.

Edited May 22 by brisbydog

[brisbydog]

 

[DisneyBoy]

44 minutes ago, brisbydog said:

For those worried about Tate, the actor got married and was on his honeymoon while this was taping.

Huh? Why worried?

44 minutes ago, brisbydog said:

Disappointed that this is Ari's first story.

No kidding. I'm majorly confused. She left Will and Sonny so abruptly she didn't know they were planning a party for her? She's somewhat exactly the same age as Holly?! Huh??

I'd hoped with female headwriters we wouldn't get young girls introduced as "damaged vixens" quite as much, but...it sure looks that way now.

8 hours ago, oftentimes said:

Oh man....the ending today...got me sad and mad.  Dubbing was awful.

Actually it sounded to me like Drake saying his signature line. Did they reuse old audio, though, or record something new before he passed?

*reads above post*

Wow. Awesome that he recorded material for this ending.

But then....why no "phone call" for Marlena?

I guess we'll find out tomorrow :( Here we go, friends.

This stand-in has the unenviable task of mimicking Drake's body language. He's not doing great in that respect so far, but hopefully he'll improve.

Honestly though - John dying for Showboating Bo (Peter) to live again? Nope. Not for me. No thank you.

Edited May 22 by DisneyBoy

[nilyank]

6 hours ago, brisbydog said:

For those worried about Tate, the actor got married and was on his honeymoon while this was taping.

Well that is the risk you take when you hire a grown man to play the role of a teenager.

[Artsda]

Sad to hear John's real voice at the end. 

Gabi is stupid. She thinks Ariana the child she didn't raise suddenly wants to be with her and not graduate with her class? Marlena already knows Ariana lying. 

 

[Giuseppe]

I was co-watching something else along with today's show, so I couldn't tell if that was Drake's voice or not. Kind of cool that it was, but couldn't they have found a stand-in that looked enough like Drake from the back so that they didn't bring John  in all cloaked up looking like one of the Traitors?

[norcalgal]

Question:  when Belle was talking to Brady, why did she say Philip is Brady’s cousin?  Philip is Brady’s uncle, right?  
Victor’s daughter:  Isabella 

Victor’s son: Philip 

So Isabella’s son Brady = Philip’s nephew 

What am I missing?

[nilyank]

16 minutes ago, norcalgal said:

What am I missing?

Bad writers.

[CanaryFan98]

I sincerely hope they saved a recording for Marlena of John. That would be incredibly terrible if Marlena doesn’t get her goodbye 

[brisbydog]

53 minutes ago, norcalgal said:

Question:  when Belle was talking to Brady, why did she say Philip is Brady’s cousin?  Philip is Brady’s uncle, right?  
Victor’s daughter:  Isabella 

Victor’s son: Philip 

So Isabella’s son Brady = Philip’s nephew 

What am I missing?

Philip and Xander are Brady and Shawn’s uncles. Bad script 

[DisneyBoy]

2 hours ago, norcalgal said:

Question:  when Belle was talking to Brady, why did she say Philip is Brady’s cousin?  Philip is Brady’s uncle, right?  
Victor’s daughter:  Isabella 

Victor’s son: Philip 

So Isabella’s son Brady = Philip’s nephew 

What am I missing?

And that means Xander is John's brother-in-law. Kinda.

Glad now, in hindsight, that John heard Xander apologize for his misdeeds last year at the hospital. 

1 hour ago, CanaryFan98 said:

I sincerely hope they saved a recording for Marlena of John. That would be incredibly terrible if Marlena doesn’t get her goodbye 

I have to believe if Drake recorded that bit at the end of today's episode that he recorded more.

Must have been so hard for him. He told his costars he wasn't even feeling well on set...

[boes]

11 hours ago, brisbydog said:

For those worried about Tate, the actor got married and was on his honeymoon while this was taping.

Will his wedding be broadcast on Nickelodeon or Disney Kids?  Maybe the Muppets were in the wedding party?

 

[DisneyBoy]

Apparently, the writer was wrong and Drake didn't record anything new.

Messy.

[boes]

56 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

Apparently, the writer was wrong and Drake didn't record anything new.

Messy.

If that's true and he didn't, and they cobbled that together from old tapings, then I feel free to say how much I disliked that.  I'm more invested in honoring the man we've watched and loved onscreen for 40 years than I am in using his image in some half-assed resolution to an indifferent, at best, storyline.  Honor the person, please.

He deserves nothing less.

[Soapy Goddess]

Didn't Drake approve his "ending"??  We may not like it, but if he had any objections, I would hope TPTB would have respected his wishes.

[CanaryFan98]

5 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Didn't Drake approve his "ending"??  We may not like it, but if he had any objections, I would hope TPTB would have respected his wishes.

The man was dying I am not really sure Days was his priority as much as his actual family was.

[DisneyBoy]

If he didnt record anything, then i guess they just got a thumbs up to conclude his story, rather than input on how he wanted it done.

If the DAYS editors and sound people could have managed to make the old audio blend in seamlessly, that would have helped. But you can sadly always tell when they overlay audio in a scene.

I just hope today isn't super cringy.

[norcalgal]

I know today was a heavy episode with Bo’s “death” story and John sacrificing himself to get the drug for Bo, but there was ridiculousness interwoven between the lovely flashbacks.

• So John inhaled so much smoke as to compromise his lungs AND had burns over 30% of his body, even though he was wearing a breath mask and full body suit?!?  
• And what about Hope’s incredible teleportation to/from Salem! The logistics of how Hope could do all that nearly instantaneous travel was utter nonsense (and with a change in outfit too  🤣)!!!  

Can someone remind me of the origin of Zack’s name? Why was he named as he was?

[CanaryFan98]

11 minutes ago, norcalgal said:

I know today was a heavy episode with Bo’s “death” story and John sacrificing himself to get the drug for Bo, but there was ridiculousness interwoven between the lovely flashbacks.

• So John inhaled so much smoke as to compromise his lungs AND had burns over 30% of his body, even though he was wearing a breath mask and full body suit?!?  
• And what about Hope’s incredible teleportation to/from Salem! The logistics of how Hope could do all that nearly instantaneous travel was utter nonsense (and with a change in outfit too  🤣)!!!  

Can someone remind me of the origin of Zack’s name? Why was he named as he was?

I can't help you with Hope's teleportation lol but I can answer the rest.

I believe the whole thing with John was to provide a full circle moment of when we first saw him vs now where he dies. John was covered in bandages in a hospital room and Marlena held his hand too(Steve was also around). We didn't know who he was at the time etc now 40 years later we see John knowing who he is covered in bandages but this time with Marlena and now Steve/Kayla in his final moments on the show.

Zack's name was part of that baby switch storyline with Isaac(the child Abe/Lexie adopted which was really Bo/Hope's kid) and JT( the child of Glen/Barb) that was briefly raised by Bo/Hope where they thought he was their kid. When Bo/Hope found out about Isaac they decided to rename him Zack so he could keep part of the Isaac identity.

This episode was classic Days featuring all the popular couples John/Marlena, Steve/Kayla, Bo/Hope(and it's great they chose this day the 40th anniversary of their first wedding), and a lesser extent Doug/Julie. 

It's a shame it's not like this everyday but it was definitely an emotional one that's for sure.

 

I could've done without the Ben praise by Ciara though.

[DisneyBoy]

36 minutes ago, norcalgal said:

what about Hope’s incredible teleportation to/from Salem! The logistics of how Hope could do all that nearly instantaneous travel was utter nonsense (and with a change in outfit too

YEEEAAAAAH. 👀 I couldn't believe the utter stupidity of that. Isn't Bo dying in friggin' Greece?

 

...the "heartbeat" ending would have been appropriate if not for all the rest of it. They crammed a entire week's worth of developments into one episode! Why?

We spent 75% of the episode mourning Bo - who will obviously live - and skipping basic scenes in John's big final death storyline:

-Where was this so-called explosion? They didn't even pull out some stock footage, ffs!

-When did the firefighters show up?

-When did Kayla get the call about the explosion?

-When did John arrive at the hospital and when did Marlena see him for the first time in months?

-When was he assessed in person by Kayla?

-Why couldn't Brady and Belle have been there? They're in the same city at least!

 

^^^^ All of those scenes would have been vital to playing this storyline out, and they were skipped!

Sometimes it really feels like community college film students could put together better episodes than the folks at DOOL. Soaps are all about taking things moment by moment....but for this, you rush??

There was way too much going on, and a lot of it awkwardly sidestepped the fact that Bo has died and been mourned by his family already. Why is Ciara acting like she can't fathom life without her Dad? She already lived it! For years!

🙄

Yeesh.

If the show had been cancelled and there were 5 episodes left, I could overlook this clusterfuck approach to storytelling...but it wasn't canceled.

And Drake deserved so much better.

19 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

I believe the whole thing with John was to provide a full circle moment of when we first saw him vs now where he dies. John was covered in bandages in a hospital room and Marlena held his hand too(Steve was also around). We didn't know who he was at the time etc now 40 years later we see John knowing who he is covered in bandages but this time with Marlena and now Steve/Kayla in his final moments on the show.

I get that and kinda liked it...but it was all handled like an afterthought.

And really, who wanted to see this hero scarred in his final moments? Not me.

Edited May 23 by DisneyBoy

[mariah23]

When Ciara said that Bo’s going to love Ben when they meet, I rolled my eyes and thought “Oh yeah Bo’s gonna really love him.” 🙄

[Retired at last]

I read from Jason47 that the show confirmed that Bo's hospital room is in Salem, which makes absolutely ZERO sense. No one has visited him? Hope hasn't been around? Ciara, whatever. But, that is just stupid. 

[DisneyBoy]

There wasn't even a line of dialogue to establish him being transported to Salem. How long has he been here?

Honestly, it feels like scenes from three separate episodes were smushed together the editing room. If Hope had run off from the hospital room at the end of one episode that aired earlier this week, and then shown up at the lab to help Steve and John, we'd just assume that there had been a time jump.

Strange how she bothered to put on a completely different blazer to help her son with the extremely time-sensitive break-in. And a completley inappropriate blazer for the mission at that.

4 hours ago, mariah23 said:

When Ciara said that Bo’s going to love Ben when they meet, I rolled my eyes and thought “Oh yeah Bo’s gonna really love him.”

Since they're keeping Alex as RSW's main gig, I hope we'll be spared seeing the Necktie Killer again.

I'd be completely down for a storyline in which Bo meets him and completely hates his guts, but that's probably not allowed by TPTB.

And I definitely don't want to see Ben comforting his "best bud" Will at the memorial.

 

I think SN was really letting his emotions out for Drake there at the end today. 🥺

Edited May 23 by DisneyBoy

[norcalgal]

4 hours ago, Retired at last said:

I read from Jason47 that the show confirmed that Bo's hospital room is in Salem, which makes absolutely ZERO sense. No one has visited him? Hope hasn't been around? Ciara, whatever. But, that is just stupid. 

The emoji I chose was not aimed at you @Retired at last, but aimed at the DUMBASSERY of Bo being in Salem!  Oh yeah, since when?  Stooopid writing.