Current Plots Discussion II: Discussing Today's Episode and Current Storylines

[DaphneCat]

14 minutes ago, Artsda said:

Yay it's over. 

Joy needs to go. She has no relationships, no family and no friends in Salem. She has no reason to stay.

 

I don't like the way they're setting Joy up.  She seems like she's starting to get obsessed or stalkerish.  She and Alex only dated for about 5 minutes so I'm not seeing why she should care that much about him.

[DisneyBoy]

I actually like the actress. She looks "right" as Chloe's sister. And Craig was brought back semi-recently. Maybe he could pop up again?

5 hours ago, BuckeyeLou said:

Abe & Kate were getting hit with Lawsuits(altho I only knew of one from Bonnie), and were afraid of what that would mean for the show, so the Network bought it from them(and Kate & Abe now have Money), and offered members of the cast to move to Los Angeles as they were moving filming the show from Salem, but only Hattie (and Seth Burns) were interested in moving, everybody else has Family in Salem, yada yada.  Even Leo was tempted to move, but he likes living in Salem & he does not want to leave Javi, but then Leo was told he was fired & the Network was hiring a new Head Writer(sound familiar?)

Thanks for the recap! Sounds awfully abrupt and tidy. Did Abe get a showdown with Nurse Crazy? Did they even get into how this show she tortured him with became his new pet project?

[Rodney]

29 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

Did Abe get a showdown with Nurse Crazy? Did they even get into how this show she tortured him with became his new pet project?

Yes and yes.  Abe confronted Whitley in her room at Bayview.  Whitley said that she was sabotaging the show because of how much she feels like Abe and Kate ruined it with Leo's writing.  She was going to kill Abe over it with a lethal injection, but Paulina came in and stopped her just in the nick of time.

[SanDiegoInExile]

6 hours ago, Artsda said:

Joy needs to go. She has no relationships, no family and no friends in Salem. She has no reason to stay.

 

That's exactly why she should stay.  It's so infuriating when newcomers instantly get attached to a romantic interest. And we spend weeks of only seeing them in scenes with that person. That's not how life is.  It's not how DOOL used to be. 

She is also a fresh gene-pool, as the Wesleys are not biologically attached to any existing Salem family.  

Put her to work at the Brady Pub.  Brady Black was her brother-in-law, so hire her to work at BasicBlack/Titan/DiMera. Or maybe a clerical job at the hospital.  Let her interact with half of Salem. And I guarantee there will be one scene with someone where the sparks fly.  Then the writers can pair her up.

 

[DisneyBoy]

Or just force her to compliment, drool over and suck face with RSW, who has such incredible chemistry with everyone.

[brisbydog]

Joy was MVP today for me. I loved her just telling Alex to cut the bull and tell her the truth. He looked like a weak idiot. I especially enjoyed her pointing out that he was having sex with her as recently as the day before. I still feel nothing for Stephanie and Alex, they have slept with just too many other people for me to think they have any sort of commitment to one person.

Hmmm Sophia needs to unload a baby and Johnny and Chanel want to have one. What COULD Ron be not so subtly projecting here? Also Holly wanting to have sex with a dude who just impregnated another teen girl is just not realistic to me. I was a teen girl and I would have bailed. I like her better with Doug3. New Sophia was good, a little more strident but not a bit adjustment

Leo wailing about his super handsome leading man was just Ron talking about Rob. Shut up.

Hopefully Abe and Kate sink all their profits into saving the hospital, since their stupid show put it in this situation.

[CanaryFan98]

14 hours ago, SanDiegoInExile said:

That's exactly why she should stay.  It's so infuriating when newcomers instantly get attached to a romantic interest. And we spend weeks of only seeing them in scenes with that person. That's not how life is.  It's not how DOOL used to be. 

She is also a fresh gene-pool, as the Wesleys are not biologically attached to any existing Salem family.  

Put her to work at the Brady Pub.  Brady Black was her brother-in-law, so hire her to work at BasicBlack/Titan/DiMera. Or maybe a clerical job at the hospital.  Let her interact with half of Salem. And I guarantee there will be one scene with someone where the sparks fly.  Then the writers can pair her up.

 

I would go for a JJ/Joy pairing or bring back Joe Johnson and pair him off with Joy. 

I mean as you said she's not related to most of Salem she has a lot of options.

[DisneyBoy]

Hmmm, Joy could be a lively choice for Tripp. 

This...whatever he's got going with...with....

Well shit, I totally forgot her name.

I almost called her Hayley!

[Giuseppe]

17 hours ago, SanDiegoInExile said:

That's exactly why she should stay.  It's so infuriating when newcomers instantly get attached to a romantic interest. And we spend weeks of only seeing them in scenes with that person.

Agreed completely. Whenever someone new starts long term on this show, the first question asked is always "who will they be paired with??" Who cares? Unless they're specifically brought on as a romantic interest for someone, let them adjust and adapt and see who they might spark with, if at all. If the character's interesting enough, a romantic partner may not even be needed for a while.

NuSophia...seems way less...posh? confident? mature? sophistacted? than the previous actress. I don't yet buy this new girl as someone Tate would want to hook up with. Hopefully she'll grow into the role.

Edited February 13 by Giuseppe

[CanaryFan98]

1 hour ago, DisneyBoy said:

Hmmm, Joy could be a lively choice for Tripp. 

This...whatever he's got going with...with....

Well shit, I totally forgot her name.

I almost called her Hayley!

Wendy but they live in Seattle I mean I guess they could return but not sure why. 

[Rodney]

4 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Hmmm, Joy could be a lively choice for Tripp. 

This...whatever he's got going with...with....

Well shit, I totally forgot her name.

I almost called her Hayley!

He was briefly with Haley, too, but no, he's engaged to Wendy now.

But yeah, Tripp could've been good with Joy had they brought her on sooner.  I'm just worried that Lucas Adams's anti-chemistry with virtually all of his love interests would bring down a pairing between them.

[Badger]

I think Sophia's plan was always to get pregnant and to keep the baby and eventually to get back with Tate.   This is more IMHO because she' s young and we often do dumb things then and not because she's evil.

[DisneyBoy]

4 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

Wendy

Yes, thank you, Wendy, right. I for real forgot! 

[brisbydog]

Interesting episode with a lot of reflection on characters, unusual for Ron. I like when the show stops to breathe a bit.

 

Jada comparing Rafe's total change of personality to Bobby's DID was really good and exactly where her mind should be going given she has no idea he has a double. 

 

Belle and Brady both acknowledging that they are addicted to the thrill of the dark side was very good writing. Over the years it's been clear they get bored with a bland partner.

 

Kristen noting that Sarah is becoming more like Xander to adapt is exactly what we have seen since last fall. Sarah refuses to give up Xander so she has to become darker. 

 

Philip and Xander are bonding and work well together. I liked a few weeks ago when they mused about how they might have been close if they'd known they were brothers all along. Philip seems to want that relationship now. Xander who had nobody now has a family. I get why Sarah wants this for him. Pity we know it can't possibly last.

 

Ava is so over this. With you girl!

[CanaryFan98]

4 hours ago, brisbydog said:

Interesting episode with a lot of reflection on characters, unusual for Ron. I like when the show stops to breathe a bit.

 

Jada comparing Rafe's total change of personality to Bobby's DID was really good and exactly where her mind should be going given she has no idea he has a double. 

 

Belle and Brady both acknowledging that they are addicted to the thrill of the dark side was very good writing. Over the years it's been clear they get bored with a bland partner.

 

Kristen noting that Sarah is becoming more like Xander to adapt is exactly what we have seen since last fall. Sarah refuses to give up Xander so she has to become darker. 

 

Philip and Xander are bonding and work well together. I liked a few weeks ago when they mused about how they might have been close if they'd known they were brothers all along. Philip seems to want that relationship now. Xander who had nobody now has a family. I get why Sarah wants this for him. Pity we know it can't possibly last.

 

Ava is so over this. With you girl!

I don't think Belle/Brady are the same there. I agree about Belle preferring a more exciting person which is why she always cheats on Shawn.

Brady has an addictive personality, but he's never cheated on any of the women he's been with(as far as I can recall). He's always been all in with every woman even the not so crazy ones. 

[ASpring1900]

On 2/12/2025 at 12:15 PM, brisbydog said:

Also Holly wanting to have sex with a dude who just impregnated another teen girl is just not realistic to me. I was a teen girl and I would have bailed. I like her better with Doug3. New Sophia was good, a little more strident but not a bit adjustment

Totally agree. Impregnating another girl would be a huge turnoff. I think Doug3 is too old for Holly, though.

It took me a scene or two to confirm this is NuSophia. I thought the hair was just different at first. I usually watch the show with no sound and captions on (a habit I started when I had a sleeping baby on/near me every afternoon 17 years ago- a habit I apparently can't break!), so I couldn't hear if the voice was different. 

[Badger]

Sorry but I find the idea that Sophia found the perfect couple to adopt the baby only to have them change their minds seconds later nonsense.  Like I said, Sophia has no intention of giving up that baby.  

[DisneyBoy]

I know you guys are used to my venting here sometimes, but I still want to take a second to thank you all for providing me a safe space to do so when I say

THIS! IS! NOT! RACHEL! BLAKE!

😡

Rachel was gentle and respected others. She would never act like Stefano. This is BULLSHIT.

...I think I'm tired of Ron digging up DAYS history like it should earn him brownie points only to then shit all over it and twist it to suit whatever his latest flashy cliche story of the moment is.

Too many characters have been ruined for nothing.

....moving on....

10 hours ago, brisbydog said:

I like when the show stops to breathe a bit.

I do too.

10 hours ago, brisbydog said:

Belle and Brady both acknowledging that they are addicted to the thrill of the dark side was very good writing. Over the years it's been clear they get bored with a bland partner.

Yup! Really liked their relationship. The Sarah/Kristen conversation was much more contrived. It was like Sarah wanted to express real concern only to then fight with her. She could have just walked away at any point. It was weird.

10 hours ago, brisbydog said:

Philip and Xander are bonding and work well together. I liked a few weeks ago when they mused about how they might have been close if they'd known they were brothers all along. Philip seems to want that relationship now. Xander who had nobody now has a family. I get why Sarah wants this for him. Pity we know it can't possibly last.

Yeah, for real. Why don't the writers just let the lie stay a secret indefinitely? I think that could allow for better opportunities.

14 minutes ago, Badger said:

Sophia has no intention of giving up that baby. 

Ugh. It makes no sense at all. Tate is not a Prince. He doesn't even want her. She's clearly smart enough to enter college. Realistically, she should want the world right now.  A degree. A hot college man. Freedom from her annoying mother. This wouldn't give her any of that. The pieces don't add up.

I figured Peter would get dragged into this, but I did not want Ron reintroducing him after all this time. He'll show up cackling on Day One.

...think he'll go after Jenny again? 👀

[Badger]

If she wanted to have the baby adopted, she would have signed up with any number of adoption agencies and had it adopted.  The fact that she keeps referring to it as "our baby" is another big tell. 

 

[BuckeyeLou]

I enjoyed today's show, the sweet moments with Julie bonding with Dougie3, telling him stories about Doug & we got to see flashbacks of young Doug&Julie.  And then the sweet moments of Maggie being a supportive Grandmother to Holly, being concerned about what she was planning to do, but not "preachy" about it, but was realistic.  And then Steve & Kayla,(a favorite couple of mine), just loved Steve's surprise & him telling Stephanie about his early days with Kayla, and what a grreat flashback!  Young Steve & Kayla were such a romantic couple.  I always love the Family moments on this show, when things are brought back to reality.  And the "New" Sophia seems much younger & more "soft" than the other Sophia, who had an edge to her which I liked.  This Sophia is more like a very young Teen.

[oftentimes]

Yes, I'm sure Sophia's mother will have no objections to having her grandchild raised in the DiMera mansion.  🙄

[CanaryFan98]

55 minutes ago, oftentimes said:

Yes, I'm sure Sophia's mother will have no objections to having her grandchild raised in the DiMera mansion.  🙄

Mama Choi being a Tiger mom doesn't really bother me. She at least brings a level of realism here no grandmother should want their grandchild around the Dimeras.

[boes]

17 hours ago, oftentimes said:

Yes, I'm sure Sophia's mother will have no objections to having her grandchild raised in the DiMera mansion.  🙄

Expecially since they're such a devoutly religious family.

And who wouldn't rejoice at knowing Sami would be the child's grandmother?

[Badger]

Don't forget that even if Sophia is serious about adoption, she can change her mind up to a year after the adoption process begins.   

[CanaryFan98]

2 hours ago, Badger said:

Don't forget that even if Sophia is serious about adoption, she can change her mind up to a year after the adoption process begins.   

Yeah I do recall this being brought up when Allie considered putting Henry up for adoption and Sami tried talking her out of it. 

 

I never understood the point of having Henry exist in retrospect 

[boes]

29 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

Yeah I do recall this being brought up when Allie considered putting Henry up for adoption and Sami tried talking her out of it. 

 

I never understood the point of having Henry exist in retrospect 

I started to feel the exact same way about Allie during that storyline.

[DisneyBoy]

2 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

I never understood the point of having Henry exist in retrospect

It's all lazy soap writers know to do with a young female character. Rape her/have her rape some guy, get pregnant, keep it (a must!) then leave town. Rinse and repeat with the newest girl.

Sami is fortunate to have enjoyed more life beyond that formula, but then, in spite of the tropes, soaps tried harder back in the day.

Allie was so badly handled, as was Ciara. I'm just glad Claire didn't get raped or forced to carry a baby.

Honestly, its pretty sick. Name me one young female character whose college graduation we actually saw...

[CanaryFan98]

15 hours ago, boes said:

I started to feel the exact same way about Allie during that storyline.

Like Ciara I didn't mind her as a child and thought she would have great potential as an adult character. I was clearly wrong about both of them.

[nilyank]

13 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Honestly, its pretty sick. Name me one young female character whose college graduation we actually saw...

Although both Allie and Chanel graduated from a fancy British college, we don't know what their degrees were in because they ended up opening a bakery.

[CanaryFan98]

13 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

It's all lazy soap writers know to do with a young female character. Rape her/have her rape some guy, get pregnant, keep it (a must!) then leave town. Rinse and repeat with the newest girl.

Sami is fortunate to have enjoyed more life beyond that formula, but then, in spite of the tropes, soaps tried harder back in the day.

Allie was so badly handled, as was Ciara. I'm just glad Claire didn't get raped or forced to carry a baby.

Honestly, its pretty sick. Name me one young female character whose college graduation we actually saw...

Carrie or Jennifer perhaps? Jennifer got a job at The Spectator right out of college I think. Carrie got into the corporate world herself shortly after. 

I guess there's Belle but I don't remember if we saw The Last Blast crew go to college.

[nilyank]

53 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

I guess there's Belle but I don't remember if we saw The Last Blast crew go to college.

She was in nursing school before she and Shawn and Claire left town and many years later came back as a lawyer.

 

[DisneyBoy]

59 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Although both Allie and Chanel graduated from a fancy British college, we don't know what their degrees were in because they ended up opening a bakery.

Which neither actively seemed to work at. Chanel never even mentions it anymore.

I really would like this soap to show young people doing the work and graduating, like the rest of us do.

Did Sami ever get a degree? Did Carrie?

[nilyank]

1 minute ago, DisneyBoy said:

Did Sami ever get a degree? Did Carrie?

Sami got pregnant with Will and may/may not have graduated HS. She eventually was given a job at Titan Publishing and as part of the job  she discovered a waitress to be a model for the company.

Sadly that person turned out to be Nicole.

[tribeca]

Wendy was very intelligent strong young woman viewers didn’t seem to care for her. 
Paige graduated high school found out her boyfriend slept with her mom shoved a cake in his face.  Went to college and her life was not revolving around a man.  She was brutally murdered and many fans said she deserved it because she was a boring character.  

[CanaryFan98]

30 minutes ago, tribeca said:

Wendy was very intelligent strong young woman viewers didn’t seem to care for her. 
Paige graduated high school found out her boyfriend slept with her mom shoved a cake in his face.  Went to college and her life was not revolving around a man.  She was brutally murdered and many fans said she deserved it because she was a boring character.  

You kind of have a point here that while we want these type of characters they don't translate onscreen as interesting either.

Paige's murder was disturbing to me(and I say this as someone that didn't really care for the character that much either) probably because of how graphic it was however I did like what she (and Wendy represented for young girls on this show) especially since we ended up with Ciara and Allie later (and I disliked both of them as adults).

[DisneyBoy]

8 hours ago, tribeca said:

Wendy was very intelligent strong young woman viewers didn’t seem to care for her. 

I think initially Wendy had something going for her and was distinct - a computer tech if I recall? - but over time her relationship with Tripp was so meh and they did so little with her and Li and with their father, so...there wasn't much to get excited about. The actress was...fine. But I don't miss her or their romantic relationship.

I mean, they got married while passing out in a barrel, FFS! 😆

I really find it bizarre how practically none of the characters are given the chance to earn degrees before they're paired up and procreate. Tripp becoming a doctor was rushed but at least they gave it a bit of development. And JJ became a first responder, which was ok. Theresa started  fashion company. There have been some professional arcs.

But school, the writers have no use for.

Edited Monday at 07:17 AM by DisneyBoy

[DisneyBoy]

8 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

Paige's murder was disturbing to me(and I say this as someone that didn't really care for the character that much either) probably because of how graphic it was however I did like what she (and Wendy represented for young girls on this show) especially since we ended up with Ciara and Allie later (and I disliked both of them as adults).

I am nodding while reading all of this. Paige was often sulking and disappointed in people from what I remember. Namely JJ and her Mom, and Rory, and also Jennifer, who knew about the affair, so...a lot of people!

But it was nice that she was so academics-oriented and yes, it was 100% disturbing how she was murdered. Eve wanting to destroy Ben for that, I totally understand. Same for JJ. But I liked her being determined and hardworking.

Ciara and Allie were so strongly defined by their sexual relationships that we never got to love them as people.

[Rodney]

Loved Steve and Kayla's vintage flashbacks.  Does anyone know when it was?  And whether or not they were together by then?

[brisbydog]

5 hours ago, Rodney said:

Loved Steve and Kayla's vintage flashbacks.  Does anyone know when it was?  And whether or not they were together by then?

It was February 1987. They were pretty much just dating. They had their first kiss in early December 1986 and were going to make love New Year’s Eve for the first time but Victor blew up their relationship as a favour to Bo (he revealed that Steve was Kayla's stalker who scared her out of her apartment). They were working that out slowly in January. Then Adrienne insinuated her way into Kayla's apartment and was living there and had revealed she was his sister and that she needed his help saving Jo from Duke. That's around this time. Kayla got super drunk at the pub and passed out making out with Steve.

It was their last fun stuff before Duke raped Adrienne, Steve covered her shooting him by confessing, and months of that before Adrienne remembered. Steve was angry at Kayla throughout for interfering. 

By April Jack was in town and Steve was set up for shooting Harper. That was a fun summer story though that did lead to them finally getting together for two minutes before he dumped her so she could marry Jack and cure his cancer.

[DisneyBoy]

I had to laugh as Chanel and Johnny tried to spontaneously adopt Tate's unborn baby as if he had spare concert tickets they could make use of.

Stephanie and Alex's chemistry and conversation really got me thinking because zzzzzzzzzzz.

Does Julie know about the missing necklace? I can't recall.

[Rodney]

7 hours ago, brisbydog said:

It was February 1987. They were pretty much just dating. They had their first kiss in early December 1986 and were going to make love New Year’s Eve for the first time but Victor blew up their relationship as a favour to Bo (he revealed that Steve was Kayla's stalker who scared her out of her apartment). They were working that out slowly in January. Then Adrienne insinuated her way into Kayla's apartment and was living there and had revealed she was his sister and that she needed his help saving Jo from Duke. That's around this time. Kayla got super drunk at the pub and passed out making out with Steve.

It was their last fun stuff before Duke raped Adrienne, Steve covered her shooting him by confessing, and months of that before Adrienne remembered. Steve was angry at Kayla throughout for interfering. 

By April Jack was in town and Steve was set up for shooting Harper. That was a fun summer story though that did lead to them finally getting together for two minutes before he dumped her so she could marry Jack and cure his cancer.

Holy shit.  I had no idea how much drama Steve and Kayla even had on their road to the altar.

[brisbydog]

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

Holy shit.  I had no idea how much drama Steve and Kayla even had on their road to the altar.

It was two full years, but the first six months were pretty exciting. After he was done terrorizing her (Emma hired him as she was working for the doctor who had helped her kidnap Andrew), he became Bo's boss at the warehouse in July. They were in each other's orbit for summer of 1986 looking after runaways Frankie and Max. Then Britta returned that fall and Victor had her shot and Steve was accused of the murder.

October and November brought the fabulous Three Knives plot (tattoos on Britta, Bo and Steve) that led the whole gang to Stockholm to rescue Marlena. While there Stayla grew very close and Kayla learned a lot about his past.

December they started kissing and exchanged gifts but Steve wouldn't let it go any further 

January brought Adrienne and later Jo. Duke showed up and was still beating Jo. We found out Steve had set him on fire as a 5 year old and that's why Jo put him and Billy in an orphanage, to protect them.

Duke raped Adrienne in late February and she shot and killed him. Steve confessed to the murder. Kayla was determined to prove he didn't do it. With therapy from Kim Adrienne remembered just in time.

Jack came to town in April and was hell bent on getting Kayla but by then Steve was letting her in. Alice's old boyfriend hired Steve to fake shoot Harper but the bullets were real. He was on the run the entire summer and they consummated their relationship on the roof.

Jo figured out Jack was Billy. Steve eventually did too. Jack was dying and supposedly needed Kayla to give him the will to live. Steve cruelly dumped her and she married Jack in September.

Melissa found the adoption papers but Harper thought it was Kayla and started poisoning her. Steve rescued her when she was minutes from death and he finally confessed the truth about Billy Jack. They made love and started an affair.

Now Steve thought Jack winning the election for congress would give him the will to live. On the night of the election Jack was given photos of Steve and Kayla kissing. He went nuts and raped Kayla. This is January 1988

Steve found out and threw Jack off the loft roof, damaging his kidneys. Steve wanted to give him one. Kayla was furious and felt Steve was picking Billy over her. Jo was pushing Steve to do it. When Jack found out who the donor was he flipped out and wanted to reject it. A speech from Steve convinced him to accept it. March 1988ish

Kayla pressed charges for rape once Jack recovered. He pled guilty to assault. Harper tried to blow up the loft and deafened Kayla. Jack decided to track down Billy cause he sounded like a loser who would embarrass Steve. Melissa tried to burn the adoption papers and Jack found them and learned the truth. He and Adrienne were devastated to learn this. He gave Kayla the divorce once it was revealed Harper was the riverfront knifer. And then Steve and Kayla were married! July 1988.

Post wedding we had Benji Hawk stuff, Nick Corelli adventure, Marina Toscano which split them up briefly, Stephanie being born and kidnapped, then the Bible camp story which led into the Civil War flashbacks.

Then it was Bo as the riverfront rampager which eventually got Steve blown up and presumed dead in October 1990.

But those first two years were brilliant. The acting from all 3 in that triangle was next level.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 09:56 PM by brisbydog

[Rodney]

5 minutes ago, brisbydog said:

It was two full years, but the first six months were pretty exciting. After he was done terrorizing her (Emma hired him as she was working for the doctor who had helped her kidnap Andrew), he became Bo's boss at the warehouse in July. They were in each other's orbit for summer of 1986 looking after runaways Frankie and Max. Then Britta returned that fall and Victor had her shot and Steve was accused of the murder.

October and November brought the fabulous Three Knives plot (tattoos on Britta, Bo and Steve) that led the whole gang to Stockholm to rescue Marlena. While there Stayla grew very close and Kayla learned a lot about his past.

December they started kissing and exchanged gifts but Steve wouldn't let it go any further 

January brought Adrienne and later Jo. Duke showed up and was still beating Jo. We found out Steve had set him on fire as a 5 year old and that's why Jo put him and Billy in an orphanage, to protect them.

Duke raped Adrienne in late February and she shot and killed him. Steve confessed to the murder. Kayla was determined to prove he didn't do it. With therapy from Kim Adrienne remembered just in time.

Jack came to town in April and was hell bent on getting Kayla but by then Steve was letting her in. Alice's old boyfriend hired Steve to fake shoot Harper but the bullets were real. He was on the run the entire summer and they consummated their relationship on the roof.

Jo figured out Jack was Billy. Steve eventually did too. Jack was dying and supposedly needed Kayla to give him the will to live. Steve cruelly dumped her and she married Jack in September.

Melissa found the adoption papers but Harper thought it was Kayla and started poisoning her. Steve rescued her when she was minutes from death and he finally confessed the truth about Billy Jack. They made love and started an affair.

Now Steve thought Jack winning the election for congress would give him the will to live. On the night of the election Jack was given photos of Steve and Kayla kissing. He went nuts and raped Kayla. This is January 1988

Steve found out and threw Jack off the loft roof, damaging his kidneys. Steve wanted to give him one. Kayla was furious and felt Steve was picking Billy over her. Jo was pushing Steve to do it. When Jack found out who the donor was he flipped out and wanted to reject it. A speech from Steve convinced him to accept it. March 1988ish

Kayla pressed charges for rape once Jack recovered. He pled guilty to assault. Harper tried to blow up the loft and deafened Kayla. Jack decided to track down Billy cause he sounded like a loser who would embarrass Steve. Melissa tried to burn the adoption papers and Jack found them and learned the truth. He and Adrienne were devastated to learn this. He gave Kayla the divorce once it was revealed Harper was the riverfront knifer. And then Steve and Kayla were married! July 1988.

Post wedding we had Benji Hawk stuff, Nick Corelli adventure, Marina Toscano which split them up briefly, Stephanie being born and kidnapped, then the Bible camp story which led into the Civil War flashbacks.

Then it was Bo as the riverfront rampager which eventually got Steve blown up and presumed dead in October 1990.

But those first two years were brilliant. The acting from all 3 in that triangle was next level.

Wow.  Reading all that really makes me wonder.

What the hell kind of stories are we getting now?!  All of that sounded brilliant!  But today . . .

[norcalgal]

9 minutes ago, brisbydog said:

which led into the Civil War flashbacks

Omg, I forgot about the Civil War stuff. Were SN and MBE merely portraying Civil War era characters in the flashback, or were Steve and Kayla also supposed to be reincarnations of those Civil War characters?  I can’t recall…

[CanaryFan98]

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

Wow.  Reading all that really makes me wonder.

What the hell kind of stories are we getting now?!  All of that sounded brilliant!  But today . . .

Not good ones because that recap is way more interesting than what I've watched on this show in ages. A lot of this I forgot because I was but a mere tot when I was watching Days with my mom(who probably would remember this but has since passed on she gave up being a FT Days watcher around the time of the Devil Possession/Buried alive era the show became different and too depressing for her to watch).

 

As for current Days speaking of the Johnsons it seems they are trying to erase the fact that Alex was raised by Adrienne(because it would acknowledge the obvious that Alex and Stephanie are cousins by marriage)

Edited Monday at 11:09 PM by CanaryFan98

[brisbydog]

1 hour ago, norcalgal said:

Omg, I forgot about the Civil War stuff. Were SN and MBE merely portraying Civil War era characters in the flashback, or were Steve and Kayla also supposed to be reincarnations of those Civil War characters?  I can’t recall…

They were reading Emily's diary and Kayla was imagining herself and Steve as Emily and Gedeon. The costumes were amazing and the story was beautiful 

8 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

Not good ones because that recap is way more interesting than what I've watched on this show in ages. A lot of this I forgot because I was but a mere tot when I was watching Days with my mom(who probably would remember this but has since passed on she gave up being a FT Days watcher around the time of the Devil Possession/Buried alive era the show became different and too depressing for her to watch).

 

As for current Days speaking of the Johnsons it seems they are trying to erase the fact that Alex was raised by Adrienne(because it would acknowledge the obvious that Alex and Stephanie are cousins by marriage)

When they first met they bonded over their mutual dislike of their mutual Granny Jo's green casserole.

It was cute cause Jack hated it too.

[brisbydog]

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

Wow.  Reading all that really makes me wonder.

What the hell kind of stories are we getting now?!  All of that sounded brilliant!  But today . . .

It was so well written and while it felt painful at the time every part was well paced. I loathed Jack throughout 1988 but by the end of 1989 his genuine remorse and self loathing made you feel for him despite yourself. And he worked so hard during the Marina plot to get her away from Steve and Kayla and protect them. Like he said to Kayla, what was any of this for if you let her destroy it? Everything the three of them went through had to mean something. His redemption story was everything in 1990, and the eventual brother relationship before Steve died felt earned and plausible 

[Artsda]

Johnny thinks adopting his uncle's grandson would be a great idea? He lives with Rachel who would be the biological aunt of the baby.  That would be messy disaster all around not meant to be. 

Tate  think making the baby a Dimera would be ok with Sophia's mother? That Johnny (child of EJ and Sami)  and Chanel (sister a murderer, married Xander) have good religious values?  

[norcalgal]

11 hours ago, Artsda said:

Johnny thinks adopting his uncle's grandson would be a great idea? He lives with Rachel who would be the biological aunt of the baby.

I’m battling a slight illness so my brain doesn’t want to do the work.  Please elaborate on how Johnny and Rachel are related to the baby.  Thanks!

[boes]

2 hours ago, norcalgal said:

I’m battling a slight illness so my brain doesn’t want to do the work.  Please elaborate on how Johnny and Rachel are related to the baby.  Thanks!

Tate and Rachel are brother and sister through Brady, so that would make Tate's child a nephew or niece to Rachel.

Johnny's mother Sami and Tate's mother Theresa are first cousins since Sami's father Roman and Theresa's mother Kim are brother and sister.  

There's also Sami's stepbrother relationship to Brady.

Now my head hurts.

Edited Tuesday at 03:42 PM by boes