S04.E10: Grass on the Streets and Weeds on the Rooftops

[Raja]

47 minutes ago, zoey1996 said:

When did we see this, or when was it explained to us?

Beth's abortion and sterilization flashback was in Season 3 episode 5.

[jacourt]

They showed a flashback of going to the clinic. If they had gone to a regular clinic jamie was afraid it would get out and embarrass the family. That’s why they went there. The whole story is not based in reality. If Beth had a hysterectomy she would have gone through menopause and those tatas would not be so perky. Her skin and body shape would be different. She’d have a fantastic scar. It’s just shows how thrown together this show is. All male perspective. 

[LadyIrony]

It doesn't seem Orphan kid still wants to see Beth as his mother after she came in wearing that dress. His eyes nearly bugged out of his head! 

I found the Ep rushed. Some elements like the wedding just felt pointless. Kind of happy Jamie has been put back in his box. Didn't care about the Blonde ex soldier and his Native American trance thingy. 

Been over Beth for ages now. The character is meant to be in her mid 30's but the actress is and looks 40's, even in her 30's she still behaves more like a 16 year old than a truly tough woman. 

I'll still keep watching but the show is running out of stupidity to keep it going! They like upping the ante I have noticed. 

Edited January 13, 2022 by LadyIrony

[Bali]

On 1/12/2022 at 7:00 PM, Dowel Jones said:

Caroline Warner, I think.  Played by Jacki Weaver.  Do I have that right?

Jacki Weaver I will learn that name. I refuse to learn the characters name because I've wasted enough of my brain storage space on this show.

[LadyIrony]

On 1/10/2022 at 3:32 PM, lucindabelle said:

Speaking of hair pins, why did we hear about a weapon when that never got used?

im pretty sure you need to do more than show up and say “I’m here for a conjugal visit.” Like show ID or proof. Otherwise heck gangs would send girls to do it every day and twice on Sundays.

I don't think she had to use it given he folded pretty quickly. He was a pretty big man I doubt she would have been successful in attacking him as she would have gone at about in a full frontal assault manner. I figured she would get up close and personal first and then "Shiv" him.

It's like the writers/producers think Beth is some kind of draw card and try and think of ways of utilizing her every episode. From what I have read on various forums most people are annoyed and bored by her.

And yeah getting in to see him seemed way too quick and too easy for me. Even the prisoner himself questions it and the guards are like "Just get in there and do it". You would think as a guard you would red flag something like that.

3 hours ago, Bali said:

Jacki Weaver I will learn that name. I refuse to learn the characters name because I've wasted enough of my brain storage space on this show.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0915865/

Aussie actress who has been around quite a while. I was surprised to see her turn up in this. If you can find it I would suggest the film Animal Kingdom (2010) that the American TV show is based on.

[SunshineOnMe]

that wedding ring though.... *shivers*

[rhygirl720]

upon rewatch:

I really enjoyed the scene with Jimmy and John in the barn with not metallic cat.

The dream sequence with Kasey, that was Avery with Monica's voice. Weird

[HottyToddyVol25]

On 1/6/2022 at 11:08 AM, carissa16 said:

I always assumed the reason they went to that specific spot by the Wyoming state line to kill and dump people was because of this.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_Death_(Yellowstone)

 

[BeckyThatcher]

Jim True-Frost as the priest! So happy to see Prezbo! 

Beth asking Waller the naive prison questions was odd.

Can you imagine the havoc if she had watched Oz for her answers instead? Might have led to Beth joining Prison Break’s Gretchen in Cherry Hill!

 

Edited January 21, 2022 by BeckyThatcher
Prepositions are important

[Tatum]

On 1/12/2022 at 5:39 PM, zoey1996 said:

When did we see this, or when was it explained to us?

The viewers saw Jamie go in and explain the situation to the reservation clinic receptionist. She told him to take Beth to Planned Parenthood. Jamie showed the receptionist his driver's license as way to explain that Beth Dutton would not be able to maintain privacy going to another clinic. The vibe I got from this scene was that Beth did not want it to get out, and Jamie was doing her bidding, however, as adults Beth accuses Jamie of being too concerned with family image, which makes no sense but is the only way to explain how this was his fault.

 

Anyways, the receptionist explains that if they do this abortion for Beth, they will sterilize her. She does not use the word hysterectomy. Jamie pauses, and then nods and says it's fine. He then goes out to the car where Beth is waiting and says the clinic will do it. He does not- onscreen- tell Beth what else they will do. It is never stated when Beth found out, but I believe the viewers are supposed to assume Jamie deliberately withheld this information from her so she wouldn't change her mind on doing it.

 

 

[Ceindreadh]

On 1/14/2022 at 4:52 PM, Bali said:

Jacki Weaver I will learn that name. I refuse to learn the characters name because I've wasted enough of my brain storage space on this show.

Don't mistake her for the other Jackie Weaver

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-59745618

[grommit2]

On 1/26/2022 at 10:49 AM, Tatum said:

The viewers saw Jamie go in and explain the situation to the reservation clinic receptionist. She told him to take Beth to Planned Parenthood. Jamie showed the receptionist his driver's license as way to explain that Beth Dutton would not be able to maintain privacy going to another clinic. The vibe I got from this scene was that Beth did not want it to get out, and Jamie was doing her bidding, however, as adults Beth accuses Jamie of being too concerned with family image, which makes no sense but is the only way to explain how this was his fault.

 

Anyways, the receptionist explains that if they do this abortion for Beth, they will sterilize her. She does not use the word hysterectomy. Jamie pauses, and then nods and says it's fine. He then goes out to the car where Beth is waiting and says the clinic will do it. He does not- onscreen- tell Beth what else they will do. It is never stated when Beth found out, but I believe the viewers are supposed to assume Jamie deliberately withheld this information from her so she wouldn't change her mind on doing it.

 

 

Hi Tatum...excellent summary.  Two questions:
Was Jamie devious in not spelling out the sterilization?  Umm....yes.
Now a big question:  WHO was the father?  A young Rip? Someone from the bunk house?  

[Ceindreadh]

30 minutes ago, grommit2 said:

Hi Tatum...excellent summary.  Two questions:
Was Jamie devious in not spelling out the sterilization?  Umm....yes.
Now a big question:  WHO was the father?  A young Rip? Someone from the bunk house?  

It was young Rip - as seen in flashbacks - but IIRC, she never told him about it.

[Tatum]

18 hours ago, Ceindreadh said:

It was young Rip - as seen in flashbacks - but IIRC, she never told him about it.

No, she just told him when she got home that they were over. I don't think they were ever "together" again until the series started, although Beth still liked to crook her finger and see if he'd come running, which it's implied he pretty much always did.

 

I think Beth assumes he'd hate her if he knew, but based on what we've seen of Rip, I think he could have absolved her of that guilt a long time ago. I honestly don't think he has much interest in raising a kid now, let alone when he was 16 and a ward of John's (who likely would not have been happy to hear Rip knocked up his 15 year old daughter).

[grommit2]

5 hours ago, Tatum said:

No, she just told him when she got home that they were over. I don't think they were ever "together" again until the series started, although Beth still liked to crook her finger and see if he'd come running, which it's implied he pretty much always did.

 

I think Beth assumes he'd hate her if he knew, but based on what we've seen of Rip, I think he could have absolved her of that guilt a long time ago. I honestly don't think he has much interest in raising a kid now, let alone when he was 16 and a ward of John's (who likely would not have been happy to hear Rip knocked up his 15 year old daughter).

Can you point me to the season/episode when Rip was identified as the daddy?

[Tatum]

1 hour ago, grommit2 said:

Can you point me to the season/episode when Rip was identified as the daddy?

The flashback episode was 3.6. Beth also says when she's threatening Jamie in the S4 finale that she'll tell Rip that Jamie aided her in getting an abortion and "cut his child out of her".

[seth]

Just finished Season 4 (yep, a bit late to the binging party:-)

I'm sorry, but as addictive as this show is in terms of action, scenery, editing and fine acting, it has become so full of shit - in terms of incredulity, important untied loose ends, dysfunctional 1-gear characters who never evolve, year after year, and obvious plot devices, to make us want to gallup towards S5.

I can list all the nonsense we've noted, but I doubt anyone here cares or wants to discuss it (Since Taylor Sheridan isn't onboard and wouldn't take advice from forum posters,:-) and I don't need to shout into my own echo chamber.

So many ridiculous liberties taken:

- Was John & Rip's slinking into the diner with guns blazing really the right move? Isn't there at least a chance the scumbag robbers would have taken their booty from the patrons and left, no one shot? Procedurally, isn't that the first approach in any hostage situation? Which perhaps might have saved a dead sheriff? Why did no one investigate John & Rip's questionable vigilante choice?

- Why no time, not even a moment, to mourn for the collateral casualties of the militia murders? Where's the women and child running away from her flat-tire vehicle as the gunmen gunned down both John and the mother? What happened to Beth's 'secretary' who opened the bomb box? We know Beth got badly burned, did the secretary just get vaporized? Wouldn't it have been more dramatically gripping to connect the backstories of those poor souls caught in the crossfire of John's f'ed-up Vito Corleone stubbornness (yes, friends, it's true - Yellowstone is just "The Godfather" on saddles,) than another 10-15 minutes each episode wasted on horsies doing fancy cut moves in the corral?

- Beth to John, end of S4: "Yes Jamie's alive, but now you own him." Really?? John sent him to Harvard, then used the honor's law graduate to literally run expert defense on every snafu Dutton Ranch found itself in, then forced him to run for one political office, took another office away from him, all for John's sake. Painfully obvious John has owned Jamie since he was a pup, but some a'hole writer thinks this is a great revelation on which to end S4??

Obviously, I could go on & on with the glaring inconsistencies...but only if you're interested :-)

Edited June 19, 2022 by seth

[Dowel Jones]

To paraphrase Bob Hoskins in Chinatown, "Forget it, Seth, it's Yellowstone."🙄

[seth]

On 6/19/2022 at 4:35 PM, Dowel Jones said:

To paraphrase Bob Hoskins in Chinatown, "Forget it, Seth, it's Yellowstone."🙄

Hehe:) Well, actually it was Joe Mantell (as Mr. Walsh) who delivers that classic line. Bob Hoskins was not in this film. 

But you're prob right about "Forget it," don't try to suss it out. Of course, if we don't 'sound off' about these show's inconsistencies, what's this forum for?

[AnnA]

On 6/19/2022 at 5:58 PM, seth said:

Just finished Season 4 (yep, a bit late to the binging party:-)

..........................

Obviously, I could go on & on with the glaring inconsistencies...but only if you're interested :-)  

You're not telling us anything we didn't already know.  I can't speak for anyone else but personally, I'm not interested.  The show doesn't explore most side stories because they're not relevant to the main plot and also because most people don't care.  There are only 10 hours of Yellowstone per season.  If they took the time to go into each and everyone one (like the mother & child on the road) there wouldn't be enough time to deal with the main storyline.  

Edited June 27, 2022 by AnnA

[methodwriter85]

On 1/12/2022 at 8:30 PM, LadyIrony said:

Been over Beth for ages now. The character is meant to be in her mid 30's but the actress is and looks 40's, even in her 30's she still behaves more like a 16 year old than a truly tough woman. 

I literally just randomly watched this episode without ever seeing the show before, and when she said something about being sterile, I was just like, "But no dude expecting to have kids would have married you anyway because you're like 45." I had a similar reaction to Piper Perabo being sent off to prison and Kevin Costner wanting to make sure she gets out before she's too old to have children. I was like," Isn't she pretty much there?"

Edited July 5, 2022 by methodwriter85

[Crashcourse]

Piper Perabo did crack me up when she thought she was facing a long prison time, she told John she wouldn't be able to fuck for 30 years.  😭 🤣

[LadyIrony]

On 7/6/2022 at 5:22 AM, methodwriter85 said:

I literally just randomly watched this episode without ever seeing the show before, and when she said something about being sterile, I was just like, "But no dude expecting to have kids would have married you anyway because you're like 45." I had a similar reaction to Piper Perabo being sent off to prison and Kevin Costner wanting to make sure she gets out before she's too old to have children. I was like," Isn't she pretty much there?"

Costner is like 67 and looks it, actually looks older. I thought throughout the whole show that Costner was playing a man his age! But we find out while he is doing his thing with Perabo that the character is in his 50's! Still a bit old to be worrying about having kids unless you want them out of the house by the time you are in your 70's. 

And yes Perabo is not a well aged 45 let alone someone who is meant to be in her 30's. It's the same problem on the spin off show "1883" the characters mostly are played by actors too old for the roles but given the era, people looked older anyway. 

On 6/20/2022 at 7:58 AM, seth said:

Just finished Season 4 (yep, a bit late to the binging party:-)

I'm sorry, but as addictive as this show is in terms of action, scenery, editing and fine acting, it has become so full of shit - in terms of incredulity, important untied loose ends, dysfunctional 1-gear characters who never evolve, year after year, and obvious plot devices, to make us want to gallup towards S5.

I can list all the nonsense we've noted, but I doubt anyone here cares or wants to discuss it (Since Taylor Sheridan isn't onboard and wouldn't take advice from forum posters,:-) and I don't need to shout into my own echo chamber.

So many ridiculous liberties taken:

- Was John & Rip's slinking into the diner with guns blazing really the right move? Isn't there at least a chance the scumbag robbers would have taken their booty from the patrons and left, no one shot? Procedurally, isn't that the first approach in any hostage situation? Which perhaps might have saved a dead sheriff? Why did no one investigate John & Rip's questionable vigilante choice?

- Why no time, not even a moment, to mourn for the collateral casualties of the militia murders? Where's the women and child running away from her flat-tire vehicle as the gunmen gunned down both John and the mother? What happened to Beth's 'secretary' who opened the bomb box? We know Beth got badly burned, did the secretary just get vaporized? Wouldn't it have been more dramatically gripping to connect the backstories of those poor souls caught in the crossfire of John's f'ed-up Vito Corleone stubbornness (yes, friends, it's true - Yellowstone is just "The Godfather" on saddles,) than another 10-15 minutes each episode wasted on horsies doing fancy cut moves in the corral?

- Beth to John, end of S4: "Yes Jamie's alive, but now you own him." Really?? John sent him to Harvard, then used the honor's law graduate to literally run expert defense on every snafu Dutton Ranch found itself in, then forced him to run for one political office, took another office away from him, all for John's sake. Painfully obvious John has owned Jamie since he was a pup, but some a'hole writer thinks this is a great revelation on which to end S4??

Obviously, I could go on & on with the glaring inconsistencies...but only if you're interested :-)

It started off so promising too but I always got the sense that they never expected a second season so they just started to make it up on the fly. Therefore it just keeps getting dumber and dumber. 

Still fun but the casting is so questionable, the characters are all 10-20 years younger than the actors who play them and it gets confusing.

[Crashcourse]

8 minutes ago, LadyIrony said:

Costner is like 67 and looks it, actually looks older. I thought throughout the whole show that Costner was playing a man his age! But we find out while he is doing his thing with Perabo that the character is in his 50's! Still a bit old to be worrying about having kids unless you want them out of the house by the time you are in your 70's. 

I'll have to look for that scene, but I thought Perabo said something to him about being in his 50s and he laughed it off and said he was older than that.  

[methodwriter85]

On 7/6/2022 at 6:13 PM, LadyIrony said:

Still fun but the casting is so questionable, the characters are all 10-20 years younger than the actors who play them and it gets confusing.

Does that mean that Wes Bentley, Cole Hauser, Piper Perabo, and Kelly Reilly are playing characters that are meant to be in their early/mid-30's? Woah. I could buy that with Luke Grimes but this is a bridge too far. LOL

Edited to add: I did google it and it looks like Beth is indeed supposed to be in her mid-30's. Sure, Jan.

Edited July 13, 2022 by methodwriter85

[LadyIrony]

On 7/14/2022 at 9:54 AM, methodwriter85 said:

Does that mean that Wes Bentley, Cole Hauser, Piper Perabo, and Kelly Reilly are playing characters that are meant to be in their early/mid-30's? Woah. I could buy that with Luke Grimes but this is a bridge too far. LOL

Edited to add: I did google it and it looks like Beth is indeed supposed to be in her mid-30's. Sure, Jan.

Kelly Reilly's character is supposed to be in her early to mid 30's which must mean Beth has done some real hard living! I find the way Beth behaves to be more like a 12 year old as well. I think Kelly looks older than her actual age of 44 years. 

Yeah it is a huge stretch. Asides from Costner, I more or less buy the men's ages even if they are really older than the characters they are playing. 

It wouldn't surprise me if Piper's character is supposed to be in her 20's given the nature of this show! Another old looking woman who behaves like a child. 

[Tatum]

On 6/19/2022 at 4:58 PM, seth said:

? What happened to Beth's 'secretary' who opened the bomb box? We know Beth got badly burned, did the secretary just get vaporized?

I think Beth mentioned offhand (maybe to her assistant assigned to her from Silver Hair's company) that her previous two assistants were dead (one beaten and shot by the rival casino boys in S2, and presumably her next assistant was killed in the explosion). It wouldn't have killed them to expend a similar line on what became of the mother and kid who John was helping, but the writers probably assume no viewer cares. They were only a plot device to get John in a vulnerable spot anyways.

On 6/19/2022 at 4:58 PM, seth said:

Painfully obvious John has owned Jamie since he was a pup, but some a'hole writer thinks this is a great revelation on which to end S4??

Yeah that was dumb. Beth's leverage was useless anyways- a camera phone photo taken in the dark when Jamie has the body wrapped up? That she would probably have to send anonymously? Sure, that'll hold up in court, Beth,

[RedHawk]

On 1/3/2022 at 12:11 AM, Marley said:

I kind of wish Lee was still around.

It's like Lee's death threw the family even more out of balance and look where we are now.

On 1/3/2022 at 2:33 AM, Dowel Jones said:

Also, Jaime, you have a huge amount of land there.  Bury the guy on your property, don't drive all night to get to the train station.

Beth, when you eventually go to Daddy with your hardluck story, don't forget to tell him that Top Hand Rip was the guy who got you pregnant at 15.  And that comment about First Amendment rights to your boss?  Those don't apply to the private world.  The First protects you only against government overreach. 

Jaime was probably afraid to bury him on the property because he'd haunt him. Can't believe Jaime doesn't have nightmares about murdering the reporter. I guess he really is a cold-hearted killer, glad he took bio-dad out. 

And speaking of, what Beth doesn't know is getting convoluted and causing complications that aren't necessary. Like, she thought the prisoner was saying Jaime ordered the hit, right? She never learned that it was Jaime's dad until Jaime told her. But John knew (I think), and could have shared that with her. Also, Beth doesn't know about the murdered reporter but John does, so actually John already owned Jaime.

But -- Jaime knows where the so many bodies have been tossed. He could get an immunity deal for killing his father (the guy murdered his mother and Jaime could claim bio dad threatened his girlfriend and child) then turn over Rip and John for all the murders, and watch Beth cry about it with a smirk of satisfaction. (I keeping having this image of a crane hauling up half-decomposed bodies and skeletons.)

I did like that John wanted Jaime to still be alive, and admitted that he loved him.

I think Beth's remark to Silver Hair about the 1st Amendment referred to freedom of the press and that the reporter she contacted would not reveal her as his source.

On 1/3/2022 at 2:02 PM, Guy Incognito said:

5) Speaking of Mia in the bunkhouse, remember when the Girls all got thrown out of the Bunkhouse?  I do.  It was kind of a big deal and all with the whole Walker and Wade thing.  Like 2 episodes later they are all back in the bunkhouse at night like nothing ever happened.  I mean, I get Teeter after pleading with John Dutton, but the blond and Mia were both back in there all the time like nothing ever happened.  And why was Mia even still around after Jimmy left?  Just so we could see another scene in the finale where Jimmy shits on her again before leaving?  WTF?

I always thought the end game with this show was the merging of the Dutton land with the Tribal people in some kind of alliance through Kayce and specifically Tate as a way to preserve it from Market Equities.  Seemed like a natural way to save the Ranch forever but also get Rainwater and his people what they wanted, since the Duttons are now married into and a part of the tribe through Tate.  I didnt see anything this season that would lead the show down that path, but maybe I need a Vision Quest like Kayce to see that.  

I can't believe Rip lets the bunnies continue visiting. That's just not who he is. John said get rid of them and Rip threw them out. Teeter got her job back but there is no reason the barrel racers should be "visiting"! Stupid and pointless writing. Yes, Mia stuck with Jimmy throughout his rehab but she also goaded him into breaking his promise to John and getting hurt again! Then she gave him an ultimatum and he took her at her word. Why was she even sticking around after being told to leave! She had no idea when or if he would return. She deserved to bawl over him.

I also was looking forward to more of the Rainwater and John Dutton teamup and it basically went nowhere. The both want to control the land, and they should find a way to fight together. Kayce and Tate are the natural bridge between the cultures.

On 1/3/2022 at 2:09 PM, Cool Breeze said:

As for Beth and Jamie, I do wish Jamie would grow a pair and dare Beth to go public with that incriminating evidence.  Over the last century, the Yellowstone has deposited maybe hundreds of bodies at the train station.  Any number of them were killed by Beth's husband.  Heck, John put a guy there this season.  "So, sure, you want to "own" me with that picture, I'm going to "own" you because I have a lot more knowledge of where the (literal) bodies are buried than you do.  Mutually-assured destruction.  You take me down, I take your precious husband and daddy with me."  And Jamie should make this threat after he's documented and catalogued all the evidence so no one can make it disappear.

The one way this show can redeem itself for me is for clever Harvard lawyer Jaime to get ruthless, unleash the killer mentality within himself, and finally push Beth to the wall. I'd love to see her show fear and have no comeback.

On 1/4/2022 at 8:20 PM, Artsda said:

Beth said the priest just needed to sign the papers. What papers? Rip can file a marriage license? 

I don't feel bad for Summer's original sentence. She had a laundry list of arrests including attacking Kasey. The one thing Beth had her do was just tip of iceberg.

I agree that it's some sort of church paperwork not a legally valid marriage because Rip made it clear that he is a non-person. So yeah, how does he drive legally, which he does all the time. When he and John were the big heroes in the diner, it occurred to me that somehow his lack of legal identity would come out but nah, show won't go there.

When the judge read out that list of Summer's 47 previous counts I wanted John to get up and walk out of the courthouse. Why is he so stuck on her? Well, yeah, I know. Also, he said to Lynelle in a previous season "I'm 63", so likely 65 at least by the end of S4, not in his 70s. Beth is younger than Lee, who was said to be 38 in S1 (or maybe that as Jaime), so she's now supposed to be ~40 but yeah, heavy drinking and smoking will put The Age on you. 

On 1/4/2022 at 8:49 PM, mythoughtis said:

Beth should  have told John that Jamie didn’t order the hits, his father did.

YES! She withheld that info and made it seem like Jaime ordered the hits but from the diner meetup between Randall and John, it seemed John already knew it was Randall??? Or did he just realize Jaime had found Randall and taken up with him. Still confused about that.

On 1/15/2022 at 1:05 AM, SunshineOnMe said:

that wedding ring though.... *shivers*

Yikes. I get that Rip had only one thing to give her, and he loved his mamma, and maybe the ring symbolized when his parents loved each other but I won't buy a ring in estate jewelry sale because I feel like I don't know the backstory, whether is was happy or sad. If Rip told her he dug his mother up to retrieve it, Beth would probably laugh, toss back her drink, and say "Bravo, baby".

I can swallow a lot to keep enjoying this show, but I just can't with the hysterectomy story. The forced sterilization of Native American women really did happen, and Sheridan wanted to put it in there, but I doubt it went beyond tying their tubes. I do think Jaime was angry at Beth for getting pregnant and didn't care if she couldn't have children in the future, but she went to him to help her get an abortion. Did Beth fill out any paperwork using her real name? I have wondered if the woman at the clinic knew they were brother and sister or if she thought "Jaime Dutton of The Yellowstone" got some girl pregnant and wanted to keep it quiet. Even more reason to tell the pregnant girl what was going to happen. 

Edited July 25, 2022 by RedHawk
Corrections

[RedHawk]

On 6/19/2022 at 5:58 PM, seth said:

Just finished Season 4 (yep, a bit late to the binging party:-)

I'm sorry, but as addictive as this show is in terms of action, scenery, editing and fine acting, it has become so full of shit - in terms of incredulity, important untied loose ends, dysfunctional 1-gear characters who never evolve, year after year, and obvious plot devices, to make us want to gallup towards S5.

I can list all the nonsense we've noted, but I doubt anyone here cares or wants to discuss it (Since Taylor Sheridan isn't onboard and wouldn't take advice from forum posters,:-) and I don't need to shout into my own echo chamber.

So many ridiculous liberties taken:

- Why no time, not even a moment, to mourn for the collateral casualties of the militia murders? Where's the women and child running away from her flat-tire vehicle as the gunmen gunned down both John and the mother? 

Obviously, I could go on & on with the glaring inconsistencies...but only if you're interested :-)

"If you've got nothing good to say, come sit by me!" ;-)

I just finished Season 4. I could criticize discuss all day.

The woman in Beth's office who stupidly opened the mystery box, even when Beth was telling her to stop? When the bomb exploded we got a shot from outside of cars colliding, saw smoke and debris through the windshield of a car interior, then there was a thump and her body landed on the car hood! 

Edited July 25, 2022 by RedHawk

[Tatum]

35 minutes ago, RedHawk said:

Did Beth fill out any paperwork using her real name? I have wondered if the woman at the clinic knew they were brother and sister or if she thought "Jaime Dutton of The Yellowstone" got some girl pregnant and wanted to keep it quiet. Even more reason to tell the pregnant girl what was going to happen. 

It would have made complete and total sense for Jamie to be cavalier about the future fertility of a girl he impregnated (in that saving his own hide from angry dad would have been a fair trade to him) but it makes no sense for Jamie to be so invested in Beth going through with the abortion that he kept the facts of the procedure from her. What does he care if she's pregnant? The Duttons are known as thugs around town who get rid of people they don't like and have all local politicians and law enforcement in their back pockets, and teenage Beth is basically flaunting her promiscuity by giving out HJs in church- there is no image to preserve here.

[RedHawk]

1 hour ago, Tatum said:

It would have made complete and total sense for Jamie to be cavalier about the future fertility of a girl he impregnated (in that saving his own hide from angry dad would have been a fair trade to him) but it makes no sense for Jamie to be so invested in Beth going through with the abortion that he kept the facts of the procedure from her. What does he care if she's pregnant? The Duttons are known as thugs around town who get rid of people they don't like and have all local politicians and law enforcement in their back pockets, and teenage Beth is basically flaunting her promiscuity by giving out HJs in church- there is no image to preserve here.

I think that Beth became promiscuous after the abortion when she stopped having sex with Rip. My feeling is that back in those days (~25 years ago) the Duttons were powerful and threw their weight around, but they weren't yet known as thugs. 

Edited July 26, 2022 by RedHawk

[Nicola]

Okay, wtf with Jimmy leaving (not that there's anything wrong with that)? I thought there was this whole thing about having the brand meant you'd be defended but also you could never leave?

Also I really really really want Beth to sit Rip down and triumphantly tell him that "Jamie cut your child out of my body" (eyeroll) and Rip's reply being "... you... were pregnant with my child and didn't tell me?! You... made the decision to abort our child and didn't tell me?!" And then massive marriage crisis. 

[Raja]

1 hour ago, Nicola said:

Okay, wtf with Jimmy leaving (not that there's anything wrong with that)? I thought there was this whole thing about having the brand meant you'd be defended but also you could never leave?

It did but having your protagonist holding slaves can not be sustained so Costner released him.

[Daph2023]

I  know Im a  bit late to this talk but I need to point out something in this season.

Jamie: dont you guys miss the Jamie from the first season who gave Beth some heat back? I mean, when does his lawyer thing and is confident in his skills, he is funny and badass. Wish he could get a story line that brings that out more. I know he let the family down at times, but so did all of them, get over it.

Randall: Where the hell did that dude get the money to pay for an attack to all the Dutton members? I mean I ve never asked for a quote but I expect hiring assassins might be pricey. Also the odds that they failed to kill anyone, not that Im complaining but it makes for a weird story line.

Beth: I agree with everyone here, her tude or style is getting a bit old. That speech she gave to that inmate that Randall hired... not really a burn, could have done without it. Also the thing about becoming sterilised, I think thats just a bad turn in the plot, that would never happen in real life and I just cant pretend to buy it. It would made more sense to make Jamie go to some non institute doctor who botches the abortion and therefore makes Beth sterile. Or something.

Monica: why on earth do you drive a car in that condition? That woman gets the worst story line from the beginning of this series.

 

[KittyQ]

On 7/6/2022 at 3:13 PM, LadyIrony said:

It started off so promising too but I always got the sense that they never expected a second season so they just started to make it up on the fly. Therefore it just keeps getting dumber and dumber. 

Kind of like Lost, although with fewer entertaining supernatural / government conspiracy elements. I have to say, as flaky as that series became, it never inspired me to keep muttering how much I hate someone (Beth), or how stupid a plan was (John being the country's least qualified governor - which is saying a lot). 

[jalady]

I am way behind in watching this (obviously, lol) but I have to disagree with the comment that Beth would be going through menopause and look differently if she had a hysterectomy.  That’s only if you have a complete hysterectomy, which is rarely done unless you have problems with your ovaries.  If they leave the ovaries in, you go through menopause at the same time you would have naturally, it’s just harder to know when it’s happening bc you don’t have the lack of a menstrual cycle to give you a clue.  But a blood test will tell you.  Ask me how I know . . .