Show Spoilers and Book Talk

[chocolatetruffle]

I swear, me heart was pounding as the video was loading and I got the chills.

 

Wot???

GHScorpiosRule you are not alone in your love of Sam H.  It is amazing how he embodies the soul of JAMMF.  It freaks me out every time he does that "smolder" thing he does with his eyes and I get a little lightheaded :-)

[GHScorpiosRule]

GHScorpiosRule you are not alone in your love of Sam H.  It is amazing how he embodies the soul of JAMMF.  It freaks me out every time he does that "smolder" thing he does with his eyes and I get a little lightheaded :-)

 

He totally does! And adds extra, which comes from him. And his voice! His VOICE!!!!!

 

*We Totally need emojis on this site, y'all!

[Nidratime]

TVLine received a question and provided a spoiler which would be a spoiler for both book and non-book readers:

 

http://tvline.com/2015/04/29/greys-anatomy-cristina-returning-season-11-sandra-oh/

 

Question: Outlander — anything about the finale will be devoured and appreciated. –Erin
Ausiello: I can tell you what likely won’t be in the finale: Any mention of Jack Randall’s brother, a minor point in Diana Gabaldon’s first book but a major one in the second (and therefore likely important in the second season of the Starz drama). “I don’t think that made it into the edit,” series creator Ron Moore tells TVLine, and Tobias Menzies — whose character would have uttered the mysterious line (familiar to fans of the book) during a harrowing scene in the finale — says he can’t recall the mention, either.

 

[GHScorpiosRule]

Well, that's just bullshit. That line should be there.

[lianau]

A bit about the next episode and beyond 

 

Gregory: Outlander please!
Still finding it hard to speak about the last two episodes. Tobias Menzies deserves an Emmy, as does Sam Heughan, and beyond that, I physically canna make any words about it because...I'm suffering sympathy PTSD. This week, though, is a lovely and rather funny episode. We get to see Caitriona Balfe sing!

 

http://www.eonline.com/news/653161/spoiler-chat-scoop-on-vampire-diaries-game-of-thrones-scandal-the-flash-outlander-and-more

[Nidratime]

There were also some pics on twitter presumably of Jamie and Claire after Jamie's rescued. Look at that hand. :-(

 

https://twitter.com/OutlanderItaly/status/595699945681879040

 

https://twitter.com/OutlanderItaly/status/595699721831903233

[GHScorpiosRule]

There were also some pics on twitter presumably of Jamie and Claire after Jamie's rescued. Look at that hand. :-(

 

https://twitter.com/OutlanderItaly/status/595699945681879040

 

https://twitter.com/OutlanderItaly/status/595699721831903233

 

I shouldn'ta done it! I shouldn'ta done it! I shouldn't have clicked on that first link! It's going to be STUCK in my head for a long time now.

[Dust Bunny]

Two things: 

 

1. Why the left hand? (except that it faces the camera)

2. It definitely looks different than snowy weather as a background. 

 

2.5. Damn, this is going to be hard viewing. I should start drinking whisky now.

[ulkis]

Two things: 

 

1. Why the left hand? (except that it faces the camera)

2. It definitely looks different than snowy weather as a background. 

 

2.5. Damn, this is going to be hard viewing. I should start drinking whisky now.

 

Is it Jamie's right hand that's injured in the book? Probably so that it's not Jamie's good hand, and since in the show Jamie is right handed, they had the left one injured. 

Edited May 6, 2015 by ulkis

[Dust Bunny]

It was the right hand in the book. Sam had noted (can't remember if it was Facebook or Twitter) that in the scene where he has Claire sign the letter denouncing BJR that he momentarily held the quill in his left hand, as a nod to Jame's natural left-handedness. But, yeah, throughout the show, Jamie has been operating mostly right-handed. So I wasn't sure which way they were going to go with the injury. 

Edited May 5, 2015 by Dust Bunny

[AheadofStraight]

I think I also remember Ron saying that they had to make Jamie right handed because of Sam and it wasn't safe to train him sword fighting using his opposite hand. I have no idea where I saw that though? Did I imagine that?

[Hybiscus]

As for no snow, they started filming in fall when the book started in spring. Ron decided to change the timing by 6 months since the trees were already changing color. Thus Dec in book = summer in series.

[Nidratime]

Promo for the next episode from Australia. Putting it in the spoiler thread since it's not quite the same as the one they've shown in the U.S.

 

http://linkis.com/www.youtube.com/Kf28u

[Hybiscus]

Promo for the next episode from Australia. Putting it in the spoiler thread since it's not quite the same as the one they've shown in the U.S.

 

http://linkis.com/www.youtube.com/Kf28u

I saw that earlier today.  I think Starz purposely didn't include the initial scene, of

Jamie saying "I'll not surrender... to you... or any man."

for fear of looking homophobic,

[GHScorpiosRule]

Promo for the next episode from Australia. Putting it in the spoiler thread since it's not quite the same as the one they've shown in the U.S.

http://linkis.com/www.youtube.com/Kf28u

Great. Now all of that will be in my head until Saturday. smacks self. Edited May 10, 2015 by GHScorpiosRule

[Nidratime]

Latest sad little clip from the upcoming episode:

 

Watch Claire Receive Jamie’s Personal Effects in Exclusive Clip From This Saturday’s ‘Outlander’

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/05/12/watch-claire-receive-jamies-personal-effects-in-exclusive-clip-from-this-saturdays-outlander/

[GHScorpiosRule]

Latest sad little clip from the upcoming episode:

 

Watch Claire Receive Jamie’s Personal Effects in Exclusive Clip From This Saturday’s ‘Outlander’

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/05/12/watch-claire-receive-jamies-personal-effects-in-exclusive-clip-from-this-saturdays-outlander/

 

 

Oh man. Watching Cait's expression and how Claire was trying to hold everything in just gave me chills all over my body.

[Petunia846]

OMG. I haven't been worried about the next two episodes because I don't usually react much to TV or movies, but this might actually be as rough as everyone's been expecting.

 

Can we please give Cait all the awards? Pretty please? Love her.

[lianau]

The season finale is coming and we get a "lovely" PSA 

 

http://www.eonline.com/news/656014/warning-to-outlander-fans-you-have-no-idea-what-you-are-in-for

[AheadofStraight]

Sounds like the last episode will be amazing. Can't believe we'll have to wait 2 weeks for it. 

[Nidratime]

Someone posted the following link on another message board and it's from a Spanish(?) web site where a question about the Wentworth part of the story/episode is answered by Gabaldon. Someone on that board made the astute comment that it references the breaking down of Jamie by Black Jack and may mirror -- in an ugly way -- the Wedding episode. Scroll past all the spanish -- unless you can read it ;-) -- until you reach the little bit of English in the middle of the page.

 

http://forastera-outlander.blogspot.ca/2015/05/spoiler-la-prision-de-wentworth-spoiler.html

[peacefrog]

Umm, that might be the most disturbing thing I've ever read. WTF? I understand we haven't seen the episode yet but for that statement to be true there would have to be some major changes to the way I've interpreted the Wentworth scenes. If it is gentle and tender it doesn't mean it's not rape. Am I reading her quote wrong?

[CatMack]

I think this is most likely another case of Gabaldon being really bad at saying things without phrasing it in the most offensive way possible.  It's book canon that Jack makes Jamie feel pleasure as well as pain, and that he says he loves him, etc.  It's supposed to be disturbing and still rape, not romantic, but there are some less overtly physically torturous parts, things that are psychologically fucked up, and I assume that's what the show is going to portray,.  But Gabaldon has foot in mouth disease.  Which is why I try to avoid anything she says in real life.  But I'm really bad at resisting things like the above link.  

Edited May 13, 2015 by CatMack

[Nidratime]

I think the point is that Black Jack breaks Jamie down to the point that he actually feels something which he cannot control. We know that from the book.

[peacefrog]

It's still not a sex scene DG! She needs a mouth editor as well as a book one.

[AheadofStraight]

What the actual fuck?! 

[bluebonnet]

Maybe she's talking about something different.  Like perhaps some of Jamie's recollections of Wentworth is tied in with Claire making love to him later.  Or maybe one of the changes is that Claire makes love to him before she leaves the prison, when she's still unsure if she'll be able to save him and just wants to leave him with something he can hold on to while he's raped.  

 

I don't know much about DG's foot in mouth disease, but it seems impossible to believe she'd say that something is merely sex rather than rape if it's not rough and painful.  If it turns out that she's saying that something isn't rape if an orgasm occurs or that if it's gentle it's not rape, she needs to be called out loudly for that.  

[peacefrog]

Today on Twitter @RobertFruin18 a writer for SpoilerTV remarked that he had just seen episode 15 and said "One word:Horrifying". I asked how the acting was and said "Nothing short of Outstanding. Sam and Tobias nailed every scene. Cait was always really impressive."

 

He answers a few more questions, obviously not in great detail. I am having trouble linking on my Kindle. The biggest thing I took away is that this episode is going to be what we think less this: "The worst part of it wasn't shown, I expect that will be in the finale, shown in flashbacks".

 

Sounds like it will follow the way the book goes...

[Dust Bunny]

The lack of nudity in the Wentworth episode mentioned in this warning/article suggests to me that, indeed, most of the torture and rape scenes will be flashbacks in the finale: http://www.threeifbyspace.net/2015/05/outlander-episode-15-your-wentworth-worry-warning-preview/

 

When I read these articles, "haunting" is the word that comes to me. It's what we don't see but can imagine is happening. We'll actually see it in the finale.

 

The article says to have your "most comforting comfort item". For me, I'll have a garbage pail on hand for anxiety nausea.

[bluebonnet]

This is worded poorly but I admit that I'm somewhat relieved that most will be told in flashbacks.  It makes me believe that TPTB 'get it', that while what happened to Jamie is horrible, the truly horrifying part is how it's changed him as a person.  I had feared that some of this would be almost akin to torture porn, and I'm not judging kinks here or anything like that.  It's just that this isn't torture porn.  This fundamentally changes Jamie and the only way to really convey that is to see who Jamie is when he's telling what happened to him.  

[Nidratime]

LOL! This reviewer gives the actual time stamps from the episode when the most difficult parts of tomorrow night's episode happen ... for those who need to be *that* prepared.

 

Outlander: Episode 15, Your Wentworth Worry Warning Preview

http://www.threeifbyspace.net/2015/05/outlander-episode-15-your-wentworth-worry-warning-preview/

[GHScorpiosRule]

LOL! This reviewer gives the actual time stamps from the episode when the most difficult parts of tomorrow night's episode happen ... for those who need to be *that* prepared.

 

Outlander: Episode 15, Your Wentworth Worry Warning Preview

http://www.threeifbyspace.net/2015/05/outlander-episode-15-your-wentworth-worry-warning-preview/

 

 

I'm SO proud of myself. I didn't click on the link.  I know it's going to be difficult to watch it, knowing what the last two episodes are going to be about. But I don't want to be so spoiled and prepared that it doesn't affect me. Know what I mean?

[Nidratime]

These items/articles are vaguely spoilery, so I thought I'd link to them here rather then put them in the news thread where people who want to remain completely unspoiled might read.

 

This is a follow-up to the E Online article by Kristin Dos Santos where she includes comments by Ron Moore:

Outlander's Ron Moore on the Intensely Shocking Scenes Ahead: "It's Certainly Going to Be Controversial"

http://www.eonline.com/news/657022/outlander-s-ron-moore-on-the-intensely-shocking-scenes-ahead-it-s-certainly-going-to-be-controversial

 

This is a facebook post by Gabaldon after she heard that some fans plan to skip ep. 15, to avoid the "unpleasantness." She makes it clear that ep. 16 is not free of what they hope to avoid:

https://www.facebook.com/AuthorDianaGabaldon/posts/900207000022137?notif_t=notify_me

[Nidratime]

In case people want to focus only on the previews for the episode 16, slicing and dicing it. Here it is on Youtube:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZhbjrQqu5s

[Dust Bunny]

Here are screencaps of the preview. I feel sick.

 

https://imgur.com/a/VtKeX

[Nidratime]

Okay, what might be the "big reveal" from the Season 1 finale that will "affect his life forever"? (See the last line of this article.)

 

'Outlander' Season 2: The Story Continues In France; Sam Heughan Teases What's To Come

http://www.ibtimes.com/outlander-season-2-story-continues-france-sam-heughan-teases-whats-come-1926394

Edited May 18, 2015 by Nidratime

[ulkis]

The pregnancy, probably

[bluebonnet]

That was my first thought, Claire being pregnant with Faith.  But that results in stillbirth, will it really affect his life forever?  Not that stillbirth isn't traumatizing.  It's just difficult to considering a pregnancy reveal being something Sam claims will affect Jamie's life forever.  Unless it's a bit of misdirect in that he's combining this pregnancy reveal with the later pregnancy with Brianna?  It might depend how they are filming it, and what sort of things have been included in the scripts so far.  If Season 2 starts with the knowledge of a baby having been born, then there is some misdirection there because the audience won't know that Claire's current pregnancy results in a stillbirth buried in France until it happens.  

 

So yeah, probably Faith.  

[GHScorpiosRule]

This quote cracked me up and made me roll my eyes at such laziness:

 

The actor noted that as the first few episodes of the TV series help establish the relationship between the Jamie and Claire,

 

THE Jaime and Claire?

[ulkis]

That was my first thought, Claire being pregnant with Faith. But that results in stillbirth, will it really affect his life forever?

I don't think so but he could be just exaggerating. Or like you said he doesn't realize Claire miscarries yet. Unless they add something in though I think that's probably whatever he's talking about.

[chocolatetruffle]

Maybe he means that Jamie believes he will never father a child with Claire, so when he learns of the pregnancy it changes his life because now he knows he can.  IDK, I'm just grasping at straws here because the quote is kinda cryptic.  Also, what do you suppose he means by Claire & Jamie ending up in "a strange place" at the end of season 1?

[GHScorpiosRule]

I don't know about any of y'all, but I would much rather listen to any interviews Sam gives, so I can hear his voice and brogue...

 

Wot?

[ulkis]

Maybe he means that Jamie believes he will never father a child with Claire, so when he learns of the pregnancy it changes his life because now he knows he can. IDK, I'm just grasping at straws here because the quote is kinda cryptic. Also, what do you suppose he means by Claire & Jamie ending up in "a strange place" at the end of season 1?

Well, an underground grotto is literally kind of an usual place to be, so maybe he's just teasing that way. Not that they're in a strange place emotionally but physically

[tcay]

I think the sun is setting on the theory they'll do a flash forward with Claire in the future, unless the critics are just being extra good about not hinting at that. But that E writer said explicitly the last 5 minutes were a beautiful moment, so I have to assume that's grotto stuff. 

 

But also: don't we know that the abbey is not in France, but in Scotland? Or was that merely hinted? And we know they filmed a scene on a boat, presumably on its way to France. So there might be some wacky framing device happening, but even then, a framing device on a boat would mean flashbacks within flashbacks for Jamie to recount his ordeal. This finale seems very hard to pin down!

[lianau]

I think I've read somewhere that they placed the abbey in Scotland because Jamie wouldn't have survived the trip to France given his condition and actual  length of the travel time . 

[GHScorpiosRule]

But also: don't we know that the abbey is not in France, but in Scotland? Or was that merely hinted? And we know they filmed a scene on a boat, presumably on its way to France. So there might be some wacky framing device happening, but even then, a framing device on a boat would mean flashbacks within flashbacks for Jamie to recount his ordeal. This finale seems very hard to pin down!

 

As someone who recently finished re-reading Outlander, no, the abbey was in France; Gabaldon spent pages and pages telling us how bad Jamie's seasickness was, which exacerbated his condition.

 

I think I've read somewhere that they placed the abbey in Scotland because Jamie wouldn't have survived the trip to France given his condition and actual  length of the travel time . 

 

Huh. That's weird. And since this isn't a true story and Gabaldon wrote it that Jamie did survive, I don't see why they need to change it. Just have a 10 second voice over of the trip to France, where his uncle is at the abbey.

[chocolatetruffle]

Perhaps the abbey is on the Isle of Skye or another of the off-shore islands.  This would explain the boat scene that was brought up at PaleyFest.  If so, then we could still have the grotto as the last 5 minutes.  

[tcay]

One of the Scottish newspapers published photos of them on a boat last year. Jamie was dressed and not looking sickly--but his hand had makeup on it. 

 

http://www.outlandertvnews.com/2014/08/behind-the-scenes-photos-of-sam-caitriona-and-duncan-filming-in-troon/

 

The only reason I think this isn't on the way to the abbey is they have Jamie in pants. He's wearing his tartan in the prison.

Edited May 19, 2015 by tcay

[WatchrTina]

I kind of love the stink-eye that Cait is giving the person who took those photos.  I also love that I think we finally get a look at Sam's poor, long-suffering, hardly-ever-used stunt double.

[GHScorpiosRule]

I'm really loving the longer hair on Sam. Like really loving it.