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I swear, me heart was pounding as the video was loading and I got the chills.

 

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GHScorpiosRule you are not alone in your love of Sam H.  It is amazing how he embodies the soul of JAMMF.  It freaks me out every time he does that "smolder" thing he does with his eyes and I get a little lightheaded :-)

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GHScorpiosRule you are not alone in your love of Sam H.  It is amazing how he embodies the soul of JAMMF.  It freaks me out every time he does that "smolder" thing he does with his eyes and I get a little lightheaded :-)

 

He totally does! And adds extra, which comes from him. And his voice! His VOICE!!!!!

 

*We Totally need emojis on this site, y'all!

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TVLine received a question and provided a spoiler which would be a spoiler for both book and non-book readers:

 

http://tvline.com/2015/04/29/greys-anatomy-cristina-returning-season-11-sandra-oh/

 

Question: Outlander — anything about the finale will be devoured and appreciated. –Erin
Ausiello: I can tell you what likely won’t be in the finale: Any mention of Jack Randall’s brother, a minor point in Diana Gabaldon’s first book but a major one in the second (and therefore likely important in the second season of the Starz drama). “I don’t think that made it into the edit,” series creator Ron Moore tells TVLine, and Tobias Menzies — whose character would have uttered the mysterious line (familiar to fans of the book) during a harrowing scene in the finale — says he can’t recall the mention, either.

 

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A bit about the next episode and beyond 

 

Gregory: Outlander please!
Still finding it hard to speak about the last two episodes. Tobias Menzies deserves an Emmy, as does Sam Heughan, and beyond that, I physically canna make any words about it because...I'm suffering sympathy PTSD. This week, though, is a lovely and rather funny episode. We get to see Caitriona Balfe sing!

 

http://www.eonline.com/news/653161/spoiler-chat-scoop-on-vampire-diaries-game-of-thrones-scandal-the-flash-outlander-and-more

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Two things: 

 

1. Why the left hand? (except that it faces the camera)

2. It definitely looks different than snowy weather as a background. 

 

2.5. Damn, this is going to be hard viewing. I should start drinking whisky now.

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Two things: 

 

1. Why the left hand? (except that it faces the camera)

2. It definitely looks different than snowy weather as a background. 

 

2.5. Damn, this is going to be hard viewing. I should start drinking whisky now.

 

Is it Jamie's right hand that's injured in the book? Probably so that it's not Jamie's good hand, and since in the show Jamie is right handed, they had the left one injured. 

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It was the right hand in the book. Sam had noted (can't remember if it was Facebook or Twitter) that in the scene where he has Claire sign the letter denouncing BJR that he momentarily held the quill in his left hand, as a nod to Jame's natural left-handedness. But, yeah, throughout the show, Jamie has been operating mostly right-handed. So I wasn't sure which way they were going to go with the injury. 

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I think I also remember Ron saying that they had to make Jamie right handed because of Sam and it wasn't safe to train him sword fighting using his opposite hand. I have no idea where I saw that though? Did I imagine that?

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As for no snow, they started filming in fall when the book started in spring. Ron decided to change the timing by 6 months since the trees were already changing color. Thus Dec in book = summer in series.

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Latest sad little clip from the upcoming episode:

 

Watch Claire Receive Jamie’s Personal Effects in Exclusive Clip From This Saturday’s ‘Outlander’

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/05/12/watch-claire-receive-jamies-personal-effects-in-exclusive-clip-from-this-saturdays-outlander/

 

 

Oh man. Watching Cait's expression and how Claire was trying to hold everything in just gave me chills all over my body.

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OMG. I haven't been worried about the next two episodes because I don't usually react much to TV or movies, but this might actually be as rough as everyone's been expecting.

 

Can we please give Cait all the awards? Pretty please? Love her.

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Someone posted the following link on another message board and it's from a Spanish(?) web site where a question about the Wentworth part of the story/episode is answered by Gabaldon. Someone on that board made the astute comment that it references the breaking down of Jamie by Black Jack and may mirror -- in an ugly way -- the Wedding episode. Scroll past all the spanish -- unless you can read it ;-) -- until you reach the little bit of English in the middle of the page.

 

http://forastera-outlander.blogspot.ca/2015/05/spoiler-la-prision-de-wentworth-spoiler.html

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Umm, that might be the most disturbing thing I've ever read. WTF? I understand we haven't seen the episode yet but for that statement to be true there would have to be some major changes to the way I've interpreted the Wentworth scenes. If it is gentle and tender it doesn't mean it's not rape. Am I reading her quote wrong?

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I think this is most likely another case of Gabaldon being really bad at saying things without phrasing it in the most offensive way possible.  It's book canon that Jack makes Jamie feel pleasure as well as pain, and that he says he loves him, etc.  It's supposed to be disturbing and still rape, not romantic, but there are some less overtly physically torturous parts, things that are psychologically fucked up, and I assume that's what the show is going to portray,.  But Gabaldon has foot in mouth disease.  Which is why I try to avoid anything she says in real life.  But I'm really bad at resisting things like the above link.  

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Maybe she's talking about something different.  Like perhaps some of Jamie's recollections of Wentworth is tied in with Claire making love to him later.  Or maybe one of the changes is that Claire makes love to him before she leaves the prison, when she's still unsure if she'll be able to save him and just wants to leave him with something he can hold on to while he's raped.  

 

I don't know much about DG's foot in mouth disease, but it seems impossible to believe she'd say that something is merely sex rather than rape if it's not rough and painful.  If it turns out that she's saying that something isn't rape if an orgasm occurs or that if it's gentle it's not rape, she needs to be called out loudly for that.  

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Today on Twitter @RobertFruin18 a writer for SpoilerTV remarked that he had just seen episode 15 and said "One word:Horrifying". I asked how the acting was and said "Nothing short of Outstanding. Sam and Tobias nailed every scene. Cait was always really impressive."

 

He answers a few more questions, obviously not in great detail. I am having trouble linking on my Kindle. The biggest thing I took away is that this episode is going to be what we think less this: "The worst part of it wasn't shown, I expect that will be in the finale, shown in flashbacks".

 

Sounds like it will follow the way the book goes...

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The lack of nudity in the Wentworth episode mentioned in this warning/article suggests to me that, indeed, most of the torture and rape scenes will be flashbacks in the finale: http://www.threeifbyspace.net/2015/05/outlander-episode-15-your-wentworth-worry-warning-preview/

 

When I read these articles, "haunting" is the word that comes to me. It's what we don't see but can imagine is happening. We'll actually see it in the finale.

 

The article says to have your "most comforting comfort item". For me, I'll have a garbage pail on hand for anxiety nausea.

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This is worded poorly but I admit that I'm somewhat relieved that most will be told in flashbacks.  It makes me believe that TPTB 'get it', that while what happened to Jamie is horrible, the truly horrifying part is how it's changed him as a person.  I had feared that some of this would be almost akin to torture porn, and I'm not judging kinks here or anything like that.  It's just that this isn't torture porn.  This fundamentally changes Jamie and the only way to really convey that is to see who Jamie is when he's telling what happened to him.  

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LOL! This reviewer gives the actual time stamps from the episode when the most difficult parts of tomorrow night's episode happen ... for those who need to be *that* prepared.

 

Outlander: Episode 15, Your Wentworth Worry Warning Preview

http://www.threeifbyspace.net/2015/05/outlander-episode-15-your-wentworth-worry-warning-preview/

 

 

I'm SO proud of myself. I didn't click on the link.  I know it's going to be difficult to watch it, knowing what the last two episodes are going to be about. But I don't want to be so spoiled and prepared that it doesn't affect me. Know what I mean?

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These items/articles are vaguely spoilery, so I thought I'd link to them here rather then put them in the news thread where people who want to remain completely unspoiled might read.

 

This is a follow-up to the E Online article by Kristin Dos Santos where she includes comments by Ron Moore:

Outlander's Ron Moore on the Intensely Shocking Scenes Ahead: "It's Certainly Going to Be Controversial"

http://www.eonline.com/news/657022/outlander-s-ron-moore-on-the-intensely-shocking-scenes-ahead-it-s-certainly-going-to-be-controversial

 

This is a facebook post by Gabaldon after she heard that some fans plan to skip ep. 15, to avoid the "unpleasantness." She makes it clear that ep. 16 is not free of what they hope to avoid:

https://www.facebook.com/AuthorDianaGabaldon/posts/900207000022137?notif_t=notify_me

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That was my first thought, Claire being pregnant with Faith.  But that results in stillbirth, will it really affect his life forever?  Not that stillbirth isn't traumatizing.  It's just difficult to considering a pregnancy reveal being something Sam claims will affect Jamie's life forever.  Unless it's a bit of misdirect in that he's combining this pregnancy reveal with the later pregnancy with Brianna?  It might depend how they are filming it, and what sort of things have been included in the scripts so far.  If Season 2 starts with the knowledge of a baby having been born, then there is some misdirection there because the audience won't know that Claire's current pregnancy results in a stillbirth buried in France until it happens.  

 

So yeah, probably Faith.  

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This quote cracked me up and made me roll my eyes at such laziness:

 

The actor noted that as the first few episodes of the TV series help establish the relationship between the Jamie and Claire,

 

THE Jaime and Claire?

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That was my first thought, Claire being pregnant with Faith. But that results in stillbirth, will it really affect his life forever?

I don't think so but he could be just exaggerating. Or like you said he doesn't realize Claire miscarries yet. Unless they add something in though I think that's probably whatever he's talking about.

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Maybe he means that Jamie believes he will never father a child with Claire, so when he learns of the pregnancy it changes his life because now he knows he can.  IDK, I'm just grasping at straws here because the quote is kinda cryptic.  Also, what do you suppose he means by Claire & Jamie ending up in "a strange place" at the end of season 1?

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Maybe he means that Jamie believes he will never father a child with Claire, so when he learns of the pregnancy it changes his life because now he knows he can. IDK, I'm just grasping at straws here because the quote is kinda cryptic. Also, what do you suppose he means by Claire & Jamie ending up in "a strange place" at the end of season 1?

Well, an underground grotto is literally kind of an usual place to be, so maybe he's just teasing that way. Not that they're in a strange place emotionally but physically

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I think the sun is setting on the theory they'll do a flash forward with Claire in the future, unless the critics are just being extra good about not hinting at that. But that E writer said explicitly the last 5 minutes were a beautiful moment, so I have to assume that's grotto stuff. 

 

But also: don't we know that the abbey is not in France, but in Scotland? Or was that merely hinted? And we know they filmed a scene on a boat, presumably on its way to France. So there might be some wacky framing device happening, but even then, a framing device on a boat would mean flashbacks within flashbacks for Jamie to recount his ordeal. This finale seems very hard to pin down!

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I think I've read somewhere that they placed the abbey in Scotland because Jamie wouldn't have survived the trip to France given his condition and actual  length of the travel time . 

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But also: don't we know that the abbey is not in France, but in Scotland? Or was that merely hinted? And we know they filmed a scene on a boat, presumably on its way to France. So there might be some wacky framing device happening, but even then, a framing device on a boat would mean flashbacks within flashbacks for Jamie to recount his ordeal. This finale seems very hard to pin down!

 

As someone who recently finished re-reading Outlander, no, the abbey was in France; Gabaldon spent pages and pages telling us how bad Jamie's seasickness was, which exacerbated his condition.

 

I think I've read somewhere that they placed the abbey in Scotland because Jamie wouldn't have survived the trip to France given his condition and actual  length of the travel time . 

 

Huh. That's weird. And since this isn't a true story and Gabaldon wrote it that Jamie did survive, I don't see why they need to change it. Just have a 10 second voice over of the trip to France, where his uncle is at the abbey.

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I kind of love the stink-eye that Cait is giving the person who took those photos.  I also love that I think we finally get a look at Sam's poor, long-suffering, hardly-ever-used stunt double.

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