S41 Previews and Speculations

[Whimsy]

This is the thread to discuss the previews shown at the end of each episode and the speculations based on those previews. NO SPOILERS, only speculations based on the (often very) misleading previews. 

[LadyChatts]

So now Survivor has advanced so much we don't even get to hear Probst say "Next Time on Survivor"?  And that seemed like a poor attempt at a making the preview look like a movie trailer.

So I assume Brad is looking for the idol (or hiding in the bushes to hear what the others are saying about him).

[TVFan1]

1 hour ago, LadyChatts said:

So now Survivor has advanced so much we don't even get to hear Probst say "Next Time on Survivor"?  And that seemed like a poor attempt at a making the preview look like a movie trailer.

So I assume Brad is looking for the idol (or hiding in the bushes to hear what the others are saying about him).

Yeah, I totally agree with you. The preview didn't feel right to me. 

What was the blue team talking about saying who they wanted to vote off?

[LadyChatts]

6 minutes ago, TVFan1 said:

Yeah, I totally agree with you. The preview didn't feel right to me. 

What was the blue team talking about saying who they wanted to vote off?

It looked like someone was talking about Naseer, because that's who they cut to when that girl said that.  Could just be misleading editing.  I do think Naseer put himself out there tonight by calling out his two tribe mates for looking for the idol, and then having that girl go back and tell them about it.

[TVFan1]

12 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

It looked like someone was talking about Naseer, because that's who they cut to when that girl said that.  Could just be misleading editing.  I do think Naseer put himself out there tonight by calling out his two tribe mates for looking for the idol, and then having that girl go back and tell them about it.

It probably is misleading. I don't think he would go first in that tribe. 

[LadyChatts]

Here's a sneak peek for tonight.  Nothing crazy, just how the Blue tribe sucks at making fire, and Naseer saves the day.  I'm guessing this might be tied into what we saw in the preview, the girl saying that Naseer can teach them everything he knows before they vote him off.  

https://youtu.be/wyJiE9yusU4

 

[LadyChatts]

So next week we see Liana crying and saying she was "right there and wasn't paying attention" and maybe that's her "million dollar mistake".  I'm intrigued.  Maybe Xander found an active idol or advantage or something that Liana could have grabbed, and yellow tribe loses again, so she's worried?  And Brad and Shantal seem super excited.  And Sydney's really scared  because of what a different type of season this is.

I really hope they show the TC aftermath next week.  I'm sure Evvie won't worry because she has the numbers, but I'll be curious if she has any type of regret.

Edited September 30, 2021 by LadyChatts

[TVFan1]

I'm curious what Liana thinks is her "million dollar mistake". She seemed really upset in that preview.

I hope Sydney's comment about being scared doesn't mean her team loses next week and she's scared of being voted off. I actually like her and Levu in general.

[LadyChatts]

6 minutes ago, TVFan1 said:

I'm curious what Liana thinks is her "million dollar mistake". She seemed really upset in that preview.

I hope Sydney's comment about being scared doesn't mean her team loses next week and she's scared of being voted off. I actually like her and Levu in general.

Brad and Shantal seemed really excited, which made me think that maybe one of them found the other part of the three way idol.  We see J.D. mention the idol in the preview as well, so I feel like at least one of the other tribes will find their half.  So I'm leaning towards Xander's idol going active, yellow tribe losing, and with Xander having both an idol and his vote back, she's worried about going home.  It does sound like whatever it is, she missed something obvious or made a dumb mistake that may cost her.  I'm just not sure if the "it was right there and I wasn't paying attention" is her metaphorically referring to something or if she did in fact miss something big. 

Sydney's comment may mean nothing, but I also thought that could be a post-challenge TH and her tribe did finally lose.

[TVFan1]

10 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

Brad and Shantal seemed really excited, which made me think that maybe one of them found the other part of the three way idol.  We see J.D. mention the idol in the preview as well, so I feel like at least one of the other tribes will find their half.  So I'm leaning towards Xander's idol going active, yellow tribe losing, and with Xander having both an idol and his vote back, she's worried about going home.  It does sound like whatever it is, she missed something obvious or made a dumb mistake that may cost her.  I'm just not sure if the "it was right there and I wasn't paying attention" is her metaphorically referring to something or if she did in fact miss something big. 

Sydney's comment may mean nothing, but I also thought that could be a post-challenge TH and her tribe did finally lose.

If Levu does lose, I hope Sydney is safe. The previews are usually misleading, but there are rare instances when they match up.

[ProfCrash]

9 hours ago, TVFan1 said:

I'm curious what Liana thinks is her "million dollar mistake". She seemed really upset in that preview.

I hope Sydney's comment about being scared doesn't mean her team loses next week and she's scared of being voted off. I actually like her and Levu in general.

Even if Xander doesn't have an active idol, she should be upset about keeping Tiffany because they are likely to lose again and Tiffany is one of those wild players who you have no chance of controlling. Last nights vote was just plain stupid. Tiffany should have been sent home just for her crazy plan to vote of Voce because it is a clear signal that she is too paranoid to play with. And she doesn't trust her alliance mate, the very person who told her about Xander's not active idol. 

If there is not a swap, and I hope that there isn't, and Yellow loses again, Liana is going to have to choose between Xander, Tiffany and Evvie. Voting out Xander pretty much destroys any chance of winning a challenge. But Liana is very invested in the women's alliance. And if Tiffany's paranoia turns a target on Lianna, well, Xander will vote for whoever to keep himself in the game. Evvie was willing to go along with Tiffany's crazy last time, Lianna has no reason to feel safe. 

[LadyChatts]

Quote

“My Million Dollar Mistake” – Castaways stumble upon a sneaky advantage that comes at a great risk. Also, truth is tested amongst castaways as mistakes are made, on SURVIVOR, Wednesday, Oct. 6 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network, and available to stream live and on demand on Paramount+.

Here's the episode title and description for next week.  So I'm guessing that, based on the preview, Brad or Shantal finds the other advantage at their camp, and probably know Xander has another half if they remember what he said when they read the paper.  I just don't know what else they would be so excited about, unless their tribe loses and they are celebrating someone going home (that probably will end up be safe).  

The thing about truth probably refers to Liana and whatever she was crying about in the preview.  Maybe Evvie gets caught lying if Xander was truly blindsided by the vote, or finds out she told the other girls about his idol.  

[LadyChatts]

So next week: looks like there might be interesting fall out at Green tribe.  J.D. is mad about something, and it looks like it's aimed at Shan.  Is she questioning his loyalty too much?  Maybe Genie reveals all that Shan also had an alliance with Brad, and knew about his idol and advantage but didn't tell Ricard or J.D.  

Blue tribe, Sydney is getting one someone's nerves.  I didn't even recognize the girl in the preview, and there's still a blonde girl on the blue tribe that I forget about until they show up to a challenge or are sitting in a group.  If Naseer stays safe I almost hope they lose next week so we can see more of what's going on over there.  Did Danny say Deshawn wants to throw the challenge?  

I'm guessing not much happens at Yellow tribe.  That preview is probably misleading and much ado about nothing.

Edited October 7, 2021 by LadyChatts

[TVFan1]

If Luvu does throw the challenge next week, I guess it would be down to either Sydney or Nasser going. I'm guessing it might be a misdirect, but I would like to see a tribe go into the merge with all players intact for a change. 

Did anybody catch who said they want everyone to see something? Was that Tiffany at Yase?

[LadyChatts]

42 minutes ago, TVFan1 said:

If Luvu does throw the challenge next week, I guess it would be down to either Sydney or Nasser going. I'm guessing it might be a misdirect, but I would like to see a tribe go into the merge with all players intact for a change. 

Did anybody catch who said they want everyone to see something? Was that Tiffany at Yase?

I believe that was Tiffany. 

People who've wanted to throw a challenge in the past and succeed in doing so sometimes have it come back to bite them, and wind up being voted out.  So maybe Deshawn regrets that decision.  I hope it isn't Naseer.  I don't feel like I know enough about anyone else at the Luvu tribe yet but I'd be good losing anyone else.  Sydney would be my first choice.

[Lantern7]

Hypothetical . . . lets say that Brad's advantage resets. Also, lets say that his former mates find it and decide not to open it up, on the assumption that whatever it was doomed Brad. And lets imagine that no one else find it.

Question: does that mean Xander can never vote again? The three idols can't be awarded/activated until the stupid phrases are said out loud, and apparently they all have to be said at the same challenge.

I'm sure that there's probably a fail-safe, but Xander is probably going to mostly die when he sees Brad got voted off.

[TVFan1]

7 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

I believe that was Tiffany. 

People who've wanted to throw a challenge in the past and succeed in doing so sometimes have it come back to bite them, and wind up being voted out.  So maybe Deshawn regrets that decision.  I hope it isn't Naseer.  I don't feel like I know enough about anyone else at the Luvu tribe yet but I'd be good losing anyone else.  Sydney would be my first choice.

It will be interesting seeing them at tribal if they do indeed go. Sydney seems to be the most in danger of being voted out based on the preview. 

[kassandra8286]

22 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

Hypothetical . . . lets say that Brad's advantage resets. Also, lets say that his former mates find it and decide not to open it up, on the assumption that whatever it was doomed Brad. And lets imagine that no one else find it.

Question: does that mean Xander can never vote again? The three idols can't be awarded/activated until the stupid phrases are said out loud, and apparently they all have to be said at the same challenge.

I'm sure that there's probably a fail-safe, but Xander is probably going to mostly die when he sees Brad got voted off.

Supposedly there's small print at the bottom of the advantage that says if the idol isn't used by merge it's dead and they get their votes back. 

[SVNBob]

6 hours ago, kassandra8286 said:

Supposedly there's small print at the bottom of the advantage that says if the idol isn't used by merge it's dead and they get their votes back. 

It's not that small.  It's the same size as practically all the rest of the text on the note (everything but the "Congratulations" at the top.

[Lantern7]

Okay, so the “You guys gotta see this!” bit from the teaser probably isn’t vital to the game itself. It is a cute minute, though.

 

[ProfCrash]

54 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

Okay, so the “You guys gotta see this!” bit from the teaser probably isn’t vital to the game itself. It is a cute minute, though.

 

Awwww that is awesome.

[Giesela]

So no tribe swap?  Merge at how many people left?

[Lamb18]

So I wonder if Genie found Brad's rehidden immunity idol?

[LadyChatts]

9 minutes ago, Lamb18 said:

So I wonder if Genie found Brad's rehidden immunity idol?

It looked like the packaging.  I noticed they didn't show Xander say his butterfly line tonight.  I'm sure he said it, so I'm sorry they didn't show us everyone's reactions to him saying it for the third time.  Considering Tiffany wants to go through Xander's bag, I wonder if he does get the idol next week, or they realize he doesn't have it and want to make a move.  Sounds like he could be on the chopping block, so that might be the "he's done" line from Tiffany.  

[TVFan1]

Over on Luvu, was that Danny that was scared that the girls could have the numbers over the guys?

Could Xander be in trouble if Yase loses the next immunity challenge or is it a red herring?

[LadyChatts]

23 minutes ago, TVFan1 said:

Over on Luvu, was that Danny that was scared that the girls could have the numbers over the guys?

Could Xander be in trouble if Yase loses the next immunity challenge or is it a red herring?

I feel like it's probably a red herring.  Tiffany was super paranoid about him having the idol the last time they went to TC, so maybe she's still not convinced he doesn't have it.  My feeling is it's probably playing up a scenario if they lose, that he's gone.  

So far, only one woman has been voted out.  The other 4 boots have been men.  I wonder if that's what Danny is thinking about-merge time and that the girls might team up.  

[Nashville]

8 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

It looked like the packaging.  I noticed they didn't show Xander say his butterfly line tonight.  I'm sure he said it, so I'm sorry they didn't show us everyone's reactions to him saying it for the third time.  

According to the idol parchment, Xander doesn’t have to say his line again unless/until he hears at least one of the corresponding idol lines from a member of the other tribe(s).

[LanceM]

Sneak peek of next episode.

(Wow, Actually showing someone catching fish and lol that it is Sydney)

 

and another one.

(oh joy, more time spent on advantages and lol at immediately running back to tell Shan and Ricard)

 

[LadyChatts]

I’m never getting rid of Shan and Ricard, am I?  Seriously, what is Genie thinking?!  

[kstar821]

21 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

I’m never getting rid of Shan and Ricard, am I?  Seriously, what is Genie thinking?!  

Nope.  Pure speculation here but as soon as Shan hummed her goofy little tune episode 1 I decided she was getting final tribal edit.  Then, a week or so ago, she showed up on my for you page on TikTok and now I'm convinced she actually wins.  😑

[LadyChatts]

5 hours ago, kstar821 said:

Nope.  Pure speculation here but as soon as Shan hummed her goofy little tune episode 1 I decided she was getting final tribal edit.  Then, a week or so ago, she showed up on my for you page on TikTok and now I'm convinced she actually wins.  😑

As much as I hate admitting it, Shan isn’t playing a terrible game.  She had Brad thinking she was on his side, enough so that he confided in her things he didn’t tell Genie.  She had J.D. on her side to where he gave her his advantage twice, and promptly went home without it.  And I don’t think he realized the extent of her relationship with Ricard.  I think one of two things happens going forward-either she continues getting an edit of winning people over while backstabbing them, or she has a spectacular downfall and gets played herself.

At least I don’t think Ricard has gotten any type of winners edit yet.  He’s sitting around camp like a sack of potatoes while Shan’s doing all the scheming and deal making and getting people in her back pocket.  I just think we’re getting a lot of focus on them because their tribe has become the new Yase.  
 

I really hope it is clever editing with Genie and she has some trick up her sleeve.  I was rooting for you Genie!

[Nashville]

1 hour ago, LadyChatts said:

As much as I hate admitting it, Shan isn’t playing a terrible game.

I’ve never thought Shan was playing a terrible game; I simply think she is a terrible person.
The two have nothing to do with each other, really.

[Hera]

14 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

As much as I hate admitting it, Shan isn’t playing a terrible game.  She had Brad thinking she was on his side, enough so that he confided in her things he didn’t tell Genie.  She had J.D. on her side to where he gave her his advantage twice, and promptly went home without it.  And I don’t think he realized the extent of her relationship with Ricard.  I think one of two things happens going forward-either she continues getting an edit of winning people over while backstabbing them, or she has a spectacular downfall and gets played herself.

Yeah, I'm really curious how she navigates any reshuffles and/or the merge. On Ua, she has betrayed individuals who thought they were allied with her, and because the tribe is small, there isn't a lot of room for someone like Genie, who has been left out of multiple votes, to maneuver to try to get Shan out. However, in a merge, you generally aren't betraying a single individual, but an entire alliance, so burning one person generally means that you've burned bridges with other people still left in the game. I think like most players, she's going to have to pick an alliance at the merge and stick with them.

However, if she does get to the end as a serial backstabber, it'll be interesting to see what argument she makes for herself. She'll need to walk a fine line between owning her game and not rubbing it into the jurors that they should never have trusted her. Of course, it also depends on who's there with her.

[LadyChatts]

18 hours ago, Nashville said:

I’ve never thought Shan was playing a terrible game; I simply think she is a terrible person.
The two have nothing to do with each other, really.

I don’t disagree, I just hate that I have to admit she’s playing a good game since I don’t like her.  It’s easier when you don’t like a person and can also say they aren’t playing a good game (like Ricard). 

[LadyChatts]

So no merge but a tribe swap next week?  Maybe?  Well, whatever it is hopefully it will make things interesting.  

Edited October 21, 2021 by LadyChatts

[CraftyHazel]

I don’t think Shan is winning this.  I think there was some foreshadowing tonight of Liana being her downfall.

1) She spoke of the need to trust someone, even though she doesn’t trust anyone.  But she spilled a lot to Liana…a sign of trust.

2) She told Liana that she has an idol, and shortly thereafter, we see Liana’s advantage is the opportunity to steal an idol.

Brad, JD, and Genie all trusted Shan with their secrets and she knifed them all in the back with that information.   I just believe that we are meant to enjoy her getting her “just desserts” when someone she decided to finally trust betrays her.

[TVFan1]

2 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

So no merge but a tribe swap next week?  Maybe?  Well, whatever it is hopefully it will make things interesting.  

Don't know what to make of the whole is there a merge or not next week. Maybe a thing where if tribe members would like to leave their tribe to go to another? I don't know.

[SVNBob]

7 minutes ago, TVFan1 said:

Don't know what to make of the whole is there a merge or not next week.

Given Peachy's "Well..." reaction, my guess is it's most likely a shuffle into two tribes.  So a merge, in that we end with fewer tribes than we started with, but not The Merge, in that it's not yet time for the individual game.

[peachmangosteen]

11 hours ago, CraftyHazel said:

I don’t think Shan is winning this.  I think there was some foreshadowing tonight of Liana being her downfall.

1) She spoke of the need to trust someone, even though she doesn’t trust anyone.  But she spilled a lot to Liana…a sign of trust.

2) She told Liana that she has an idol, and shortly thereafter, we see Liana’s advantage is the opportunity to steal an idol.

Brad, JD, and Genie all trusted Shan with their secrets and she knifed them all in the back with that information.   I just believe that we are meant to enjoy her getting her “just desserts” when someone she decided to finally trust betrays her.

I love this idea. I hope you're right!

9 hours ago, SVNBob said:

Given Peachy's "Well..." reaction, my guess is it's most likely a shuffle into two tribes.  So a merge, in that we end with fewer tribes than we started with, but not The Merge, in that it's not yet time for the individual game.

This doesn't seem like something that's 'never been done before' like they were all crowing about though. But you're probably right and they're just being hyperbolic.

[peachmangosteen]

There was a new promo during the football game yesterday that was really hyping up the 'never done before' twist with the merge.

[LadyChatts]

6 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

There was a new promo during the football game yesterday that was really hyping up the 'never done before' twist with the merge.

Whatever it is it's probably going to fail for the viewers spectacularly ;)  

[LadyChatts]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVgL_mHvvPg/?utm_medium=copy_link
 

Here are pics from tomorrow night’s episode.  It shows everyone picking something out of a bag, and then what looks like the merge feast.  Maybe some of the contestants pick something out of the bag where they get an advantage heading into the merge, but they have to make a sacrifice?  Or they can determine someone else’s fate but again, it comes with a price?  I’m trying to think what hasn’t been done before that would be a Survivor first and so shocking.

On a more humorous note, here's another sneak peek with Shan and Ricard still arguing about J.D.'s extra vote.  Looks like Ricard still hadn't given it back to Shan. 

 

 

Edited October 27, 2021 by LadyChatts

[LadyChatts]

So I guess the only exciting thing to happen next week is what Erika does (or doesn't) do in regards to the game.  So basically we'll still have half the group immune at TC, but if she changes history, it's the other group?

[TVFan1]

Didn't show much in the preview for next week. There is the question of will Erika turn back time or not. If she does, is there another challenge or does the winning side now lose?

[LadyChatts]

47 minutes ago, TVFan1 said:

Didn't show much in the preview for next week. There is the question of will Erika turn back time or not. If she does, is there another challenge or does the winning side now lose?

I was kind of confused because it looked like they were at a challenge when Erika was talking about her advantage.  Maybe it was the RC.  If I'm understanding this correctly, because it was a two-parter episode, the group who won tonight's challenge was supposed to be immune from the vote (Deshawn, Danny, Sydney, Ricard, Evvie, and Naseer) and someone from NuYase (Xander, Liana, Shan, Tiffany, and Heather) would go home.  If Erika changes history, then NuYase would be immune, and the other tribe would be up for the vote.  I assume Erika is also immune in all of this.  I don't think there will be another immunity challenge, unless there's strings attached to Erika's advantage that they didn't bother showing tonight.

I did laugh that everyone back at camp was worried about some major advantage Erika would get, and that's why they were throwing her name out, but this will be it.  

Edited October 28, 2021 by LadyChatts

[TVFan1]

1 minute ago, LadyChatts said:

I was kind of confused because it looked like they were at a challenge when Erika was talking about her advantage.  Maybe it was the RC.  If I'm understanding this correctly, because it was a two-parter episode, the group who won tonight's challenge was supposed to be immune from the vote (Deshawn, Danny, Sydney, Ricard, Evvie, and Naseer) and someone from NuYase (Xander, Liana, Shan, Tiffany, and Heather) would go home.  If Erika changes history, then NuYase would be immune, and the other tribe would be up for the vote.  I assume Erika is also immune in all of this.  

That's what I was thinking about how it would work out. I hope Erika smashes the hourglass.

[Nashville]

Erika is faced with two choices:

1. Don’t smash the hourglass - which means the RC winners remain immune, the losers go to TC, and Erika (as a member of the losing group) has no personal immunity.
2. Smash the hourglass - which means the RC winners lose immunity and go to TC, the losers gain immunity,, and Erika has immunity as well.

When word of Erika’s Choice gets out (and you know it will) she’s going to be relatively good with whichever half of the remaining players gain immunity through her choice, and on the shit list of the other half - so resultant player support from the choice is pretty much a wash either way.  
The only real difference between the two choices is the opportunity for personal immunity - and given that Erika has to know her extended absence from the post-merge tribe makes her an easy out for the first post-merge TC, she’d be foolish to reject personal immunity.

[ProfCrash]

5 hours ago, Nashville said:

Erika is faced with two choices:

1. Don’t smash the hourglass - which means the RC winners remain immune, the losers go to TC, and Erika (as a member of the losing group) has no personal immunity.
2. Smash the hourglass - which means the RC winners lose immunity and go to TC, the losers gain immunity,, and Erika has immunity as well.

When word of Erika’s Choice gets out (and you know it will) she’s going to be relatively good with whichever half of the remaining players gain immunity through her choice, and on the shit list of the other half - so resultant player support from the choice is pretty much a wash either way.  
The only real difference between the two choices is the opportunity for personal immunity - and given that Erika has to know her extended absence from the post-merge tribe makes her an easy out for the first post-merge TC, she’d be foolish to reject personal immunity.

She has enough time to figure out how to sell her decision to her blue tribe friends.

"Hey all, not guys because guys would be bad, I smashed it because I knew there were 4 members of our lovely, united blue tribe. this way, there is a 25% chance of winning individual by a blue team member and we can vote out a yellow or green tribe member. So we will have a 6 - 5 person advantage over the other tribes. It is all strategy. Go Blue!"

 

[peachmangosteen]

Wait, isn't there going to be an IC for the losers?

[Apocalypso]

If Erika simply explained, "it was the only way I could guarantee my own safety from being voted out", they should all certainly understand - her name was mentioned by virtually everybody.  But I suppose they will still hold it against her if she overturns the challenge.