Trials and Tribulations of Juicy and Tre...

[LotusFlower]

I completely agree with this.  But sadly there is always VH1 and that couples therapy show.  And if that doesn't workout and even VH1 has ethics, there is WE, the noble and classy network that gives you Marriage Bootcamp, that David Tutera show which seems to cast washed up reality show cast members five minutes after the local jail lets them go for their dui or breaking the restraining order cool down.  Not to mention that trash that is the upcoming Kendra Wilkinson contrived crap.  The slide is a downward one and steep and spiraling.  But even looking at what TLC and Lifetime will air in the reality show field, I fear even if BRAVO has the sense to let criminal Theresa go, someone will see short term payouts in her and she'll grab on to anything that lets her fall into a loving daze at the reflection of herself in a camera's lens.  And writes her out a check.

Right. But like I mentioned a bit ago, I'm pretty sure she can't do another show on another network for at least a year (non-compete clause in all HW contracts). By then, other networks might see her as yesterday's news. And then there's that pesky possibility of a prison sentence...

[heebiejeebie]

Is there an exemption though for related networks?  and is WE a related network to BRAVO?  Because I saw on The Soup that Alexis Bellino filmed an episode of that David Tutero show and she was on just a year ago depending on how filming played out from reunion to the filming of the WE wee crapfest.  Okay I'm waiting for a car to take me to the airport and am desperate to waste time that isn't very involving.  And I get it doesn't matter.  But I think it is very possible for this woman to skulk back in front of camera a lot quicker than it seems logically or decently possible. Sarah Palin, Donald Trump and Tori Spelling have paved a really nice way for the rest to follow.  Heck, since it is the Federal Gov't if she was smart she would claim it was all Eric Holder and Barack Obama out to get decent hard working millionaires and the scandalous corrupt IRS and she could find a home on Fox News if anything else.  She could be the Orly Taitz of 2014.

[motorcitymom65]

I have no doubt that Teresa will end up on TV again. It might not be on Bravo, but it will be somewhere.  What else does she have? Of course she will never take full responsibility, but she will stand in front of the judge and admit to something. It will be half-assed for sure. She will say she is sorry for the mistakes that she made, for her lapse in judgement. Of this I am certain. There will be interest in her story and how the girls are doing in the aftermath. The audience has watched her girls for most of their lives. There will be tremendous interest in how they are all coping after sentencing. Caroline said it in S3 and she was so right. She will turn this into a story of how she found a way to come out of all this and carry on. As others have said, Teresa is the ultimate victim. She played the victim completely in S3 and S4, never ever taking one bit of responsibility for the mess that was her family and the role she played in it. She was able to make this work and a lot of people were rooting for her, despite the fact that she was clearly delusional much of the time. This new story will be the ultimate in playing the victim. Done wrong by the system, blindly trusting her husband out of sheer love and devotion, having people she didn't know judge her, having to leave her girls behind. It won't have to be about her crimes or what she did, just how she turns it all around. 

[LotusFlower]

But she still thinks she's a victim, but we knows she's not. We meaning the public, the viewers, the network, and any corporate entities behind any such show. She is now a convicted felon, and her whole road to fame was based on a big lie. She is no Martha Stewart, who became wealthy and successful on merit, then committed a crime, served her time, got out and recovered. In other words, how is Teresa's story - all based on fraud - so compelling that a network would assume the risk to tell it? Think of the NFL/Ray Rice/Adrian Peterson saga. The Vikings only suspended Peterson after their corporate sponsors like Radisson Hotels expressed disappointment and withdrew sponsorship. Money talks. People are angry. I think the hair care and food and drink companies are going to drop her. Bravo, too. It's a risk/reward situation. I think she's too risky. What's the reward?

[LotusFlower]

P.S. I agree that Caroline had a lot of foresight when she predicted that Joe would "go away" and Teresa would capitalize on it by acting strong for her girls, maybe write a book, etc... But I don't think Caroline had any idea that Teresa was a co-conspirator in all the dirty schemes, so her theory or predictions made sense. Now that the truth is out - these "stand by my husband" or "I need to be a strong role model for my daughters" theories don't hold any water. It could be, if Teresa told the truth, because people love a redemption story, but we all know Teresa will never go this route. So I don't see the story. At least not one that the public will buy.

[jinjer]

Andy wants ratings, then he is going to have to pay for them.  Andy re-signs and pays Nene Leakes and Vicki for their gay slurs, yet holds Joe to a double standard.  The man has bills to pay and creditors to pay off.  Those Manzos were always doing talking heads. That whole family was on the payroll. Little Jim does his talking heads - I wonder if he got a paycheck this season.  Joe never did them.  He is a big draw for the show as people really want to see them go down this year.  He did the reunions in the past and Andy always went after him.  I don't blame him for asking for money now - he has nothing to lose.

 

People may not like them for being crooks, but it doesn't mean that Joe is suddenly going to roll over and die.  He knows he is going to jail.  He knows Bravo wants ratings.  He is going to capitalize on it and try to make a few bucks before he hits the slammer. It's smart.  Whether it goes to creditors, the government or his daughters, he'd be a fool not to ask for it. He doesn't care what people think.  Would you if you were in his position?

[Higgins]

Right. But like I mentioned a bit ago, I'm pretty sure she can't do another show on another network for at least a year (non-compete clause in all HW contracts). By then, other networks might see her as yesterday's news. And then there's that pesky possibility of a prison sentence...

Gretchen and Slade did the Bridezilla thing less than a year after they were on housewives. Maybe they got special permission or something.

[LotusFlower]

Gretchen and Slade did the Bridezilla thing less than a year after they were on housewives. Maybe they got special permission or something.

Yea, I'm really not sure about this clause, but I've heard it enough to think it's true. And I think the "permission" part is key. It simply gives Bravo (or any network) the power to prevent a "star" from one of their shows to boot over to another (more lucrative) network. I don't believe that applies to Gretchen and Slade, if you know what I mean. Bravo could care less, so they grant permission. Teresa's different.

[zoeysmom]

The HWs work under three year option contracts. Bravo retains the right to annually renew. They have a contract to perform and if Bravo drops them they are free to pursue other 'like' candid reality shows.  If they quit to pursue a better offer on a candid reality show there is a one year tail.  Obviously Dina, Lisa Vanderpump, Teresa, Nene, Brandi,  the Richards sisters, Bethenny all were allowed to participate in other shows while under contract.

 

So if WE for example, approached Teresa with a multi-million contract, Bravo would be able to keep her from accepting until the one year option ran out or WE could buy out Teresa's option.

[leisawoo]

Maybe, they could make a dual reality show following the Geeyoodices and Apollo JuvialStripperKing Nida behind bars. I'd freaking watch, lol. What would we call that? Dumbest Criminals is already taken. Criminal Whines? Behind Bars in Denial!? I Almost Got Away with it on Tv!

[Rahul]

But she still thinks she's a victim, but we knows she's not. We meaning the public, the viewers, the network, and any corporate entities behind any such show. She is now a convicted felon, and her whole road to fame was based on a big lie. She is no Martha Stewart, who became wealthy and successful on merit, then committed a crime, served her time, got out and recovered. In other words, how is Teresa's story - all based on fraud - so compelling that a network would assume the risk to tell it?

 

Networks really only care about generating revenue in the coveted 18-49 demographic. If another cable network thinks a show about Teresa Giudice, a former RH and reality TV entity could drum up enough viewers in the demo, they'd actively pursue developing a show around her. Besides, the premise of a single mother fallen on hard times has worked successfully to some degree with Kate Goselin's post-divorce show, didn't it? I'd imagine Teresa's new project would be hyped as an Kate + 8 (or that Nadiya Suleman show) meets Mob Wives.

 

Even though Teresa's lost many fans, the appeal of the show may be to (hate) watch this vile woman and derive satifsaction from seeing her karmically bite it, so to speak. As prideful as Teresa is, she may actually sign on the dotted line now that her brand has taken a massive hit and no company wants to market her goods. It may be her only lucrative option.

[Rahul]

Joe Giudice wants $30K to film Reunion.  What is he going to add? http://www.celebeat.com/articles/13745/20140923/joe-giudice-court-date-rhonj-star-demands-pay-raise-for-reunion-video.htm

 

Extortion much? Even if he is contractually obligated, Bravo has little to gain from his appearance since its evident from Teresa's interviews post pleading that their lawyers and PR team have coached them to spout canned replies.

[zoeysmom]

Networks really only care about generating revenue in the coveted 18-49 demographic. If another cable network thinks a show about Teresa Giudice, a former RH and reality TV entity could drum up enough viewers in the demo, they'd actively pursue developing a show around her. Besides, the premise of a single mother fallen on hard times has worked successfully to some degree with Kate Goselin's post-divorce show, didn't it? I'd imagine Teresa's new project would be hyped as an Kate + 8 (or that Nadiya Suleman show) meets Mob Wives.

 

Even though Teresa's lost many fans, the appeal of the show may be to (hate) watch this vile woman and derive satifsaction from seeing her karmically bite it, so to speak. As prideful as Teresa is, she may actually sign on the dotted line now that her brand has taken a massive hit and no company wants to market her goods. It may be her only lucrative option.

I think with Teresa's massive debt it would be such a long, long road to see her climb out from under the mountain of debt that the audience may lose interest.  Regardless if she goes to prison or gets probation she has a two year term under scrutiny by the Feds.

 

Many years ago a blogger wrote that she thought the Teresa primary reason for getting on the show was to promote Gia as an actress, model whatever.  When Gia kept getting the turn downs, Teresa took matters into her hands and did the big table flip.  Seeing the attention she garnered she followed up with the Season 2 antics. Teresa knew that she had primarily been cast as Dina's wacky friend so she needed to capitalize on the table flip.

 

Teresa could never be a one woman show and her kids will not carry her.  When Teresa achieved greatest popularity is when she alienated the entire cast by exploiting them to further her solo career.  Human nature being what it is -there is a portion of the population that does not like to see someone soloed out and being held accountable for their actions.  Teresa got rich off people thinking she was being picked on by family and friends alike.  It wasn't until the Feds "picked on her" that the tides turned and people began to hold Teresa accountable instead of blaming the others for Teresa's bad behavior.  Teresa needed the cast's rancor to garner support and fans.  Now there is this bizarre kiss the Godfather's ring attitude among the cast towards Teresa and the ratings are failing and Teresa's fans are jumping ship.   

[leisawoo]

Yanno, positive points can be made about this and so can negative ones. I think the timing is off for Gia with the shitstorm swirling around her. It just makes her more vulnerable IMO. As for her parents part, it's hard not to look at you sideways. This just screams we need more money. On her parents' part, the timing is not off but suspicious. I don't know what to think.

ETA: the link I forgot to post :) http://www.realitytea.com/2014/09/24/gia-giudice-forms-girl-group-3kt-filming-music-video/

Edited September 24, 2014 by leisawoo

[jinjer]

 

Bravo has little to gain from his appearance

IF Bravo wants him on the reunion, then Bravo thinks they have something to gain. I don't think Joe is under contract.  He probably signs releases for filming, but I don't think he is under contract, so they can't compel him to come.  (And Adrienne on BH was under contract, and even then they couldn't make her come.) But those bankruptcy filings probably would have shown whether he receives a salary from Bravo.  Frankly, Joe has usually been one of the more entertaining people on the reunions with his, "Go Scratch!" comments.  But ITA that the two of them are likely to be "no commenting" all over the place if the sentencing still hasn't taken place by the time they film it.  Question is, will Bravo hold off filming until after sentencing.  But if they do, will Joe just be too drunk to show up?

[zoeysmom]

Yanno, positive points can be made about this and so can negative ones. I think the timing is off for Gia with the shitstorm swirling around her. It just makes her more vulnerable IMO. As for her parents part, it's hard not to look at you sideways. This just screams we need more money. On her parents' part, the timing is not off but suspicious. I don't know what to think.

ETA: the link I forgot to post :) http://www.realitytea.com/2014/09/24/gia-giudice-forms-girl-group-3kt-filming-music-video/

I know she is just 13 years old but I it is not as if she is asking to be paid in Monopoly money she wants real adult green tender for her appearance.  Teresa should be ashamed of herself letting Gia go on tape dressed like that.  Are fishnet stockings and bright red lipstick and satin hot pants the norm for 13 year olds now?  Is it a Jersey thing?  How ridiculous of the site to censor comments.  She is putting it out there.  Why do these parents want to sexualize their babies like this?  Seems just so very wrong.

[TheFinalRose]

I can see Tre signing on for a wacky-post prison lifestyle show where she and her four beautiful daughters live the simple life: you know, become avid coupon clippers, go to Costco for their pants and winter coats and Xmas gift shopping, throw a birthday party in their backyard with nothing but a Duncan Hines cake in a 11 x 13 pan, drive a FORD, live in a used unclensy house, etc.  She is going to need money from somewhere. Then they take the cameras to go visit Juicy in prison--and on this point Bravo will not negotiate.

 

 I would watch that. In fact, I am only watching RHONJ this year because I want to see the Guidice's last hurrah. I gave up on the past few seasons basically because of 1) Jackie and Ashley -- I hated that story line 2) The Manzos -- cannot stand Albie The Great or Caroline or her daughter.

 

But Teresa's brand of stupid I find highly entertaining.  

 

On an aside I can barely stomach the 30 second commercial for Caroline's new show that Bravo has been running. Who is going to watch it in its entirety?

 

And wasn't today originally supposed to be the sentencing? Sigh. Oh well. Oct. 2 is a week from tomorrow and it hasn't been pushed back yet. Cross yer fingers!

[leisawoo]

But nooooooo. Teresa's sooooo proud. Gag.

[zenme]

Well, her makeup looks good for a TWENTY year old going out for a night at the club, but what would possess Teresa to think it's okay to allow a kid Gia's age to wear that outfit?  And Juicy? I guess I'm not surprised that Teresa allowed that outfit, but I'm shocked Juicy did.

[Rahul]

Well, her makeup looks good for a TWENTY year old going out for a night at the club, but what would possess Teresa to think it's okay to allow a kid Gia's age to wear that outfit?

 

Maybe she thinks Gia's girl group will be an overnight success and her ticket out of her blackhole of debt? Doubtful, but if Teressa does really any stock in Gia being her new cash cow she's even stupider than I originally thought.

[LotusFlower]

f another cable network thinks a show about Teresa Giudice, a former RH and reality TV entity could drum up enough viewers in the demo, they'd actively pursue developing a show around her. Besides, the premise of a single mother fallen on hard times has worked successfully to some degree with Kate Goselin's post-divorce show, didn't it? [/i].

  

What would the show be about? She's not a "single mother fallen on hard times." I agree that there's an interest in that kind is story. (Although I think Kate Gosselin only got another show because of the kids). But Teresa's "success" on RHONJ was based on fraud. And now she's a criminal. Not a wife of a criminal. A criminal. Now that would be an interesting story. But of course Teresa will never tell it. So the audience would be left with nothing but boring, nothing scenes, with Teresa continuing to front. And the network would face criticism for rewarding and glorifying someone who stole millions to front her fake, opulent lifestyle.

Teresa could never be a one woman show and her kids will not carry her. 

Agreed. That's what I'm saying.

[Rahul]

Well, she could always join this hot mess: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/09/24/new-lifetime-series-prison-wives-club-to-debut-tuesday-october-28-at-10pm/306809/

[Lablover27]

Jeez, I'm so confused by all the fucking property this family is able to have.  Sounds like laundering to me.  Zoeysmom, your thoughts:

 

http://stoopidhousewives.com/2014/09/24/another-giudice-house-for-sale-rhonj-teresa_giudice/comment-page-1/#comment-566435

[Jennifersdc]

Mission to procure Fabellini isn't proceeding as well as planned. It appears to be sold in about 10 stores, but all in the NY/NJ area. Three offer it online. Found it as low for $10.99, but then they wanted $10 to ship. Fuck that.

[Lablover27]

So, is this why Gia is now in a girls band?  While the parents are away Gia can play and make the family some money?  The most ridiculous thing I've heard.

 

http://stoopidhousewives.com/2014/09/24/lil-gias-girl-group-rhonj-teresa_giudice/comment-page-1/#comment-566445

[zoeysmom]

Lablover- I posted the Gia story and her getup over on the Teresa thread.  Just what the Court needed to send Teresa to prison-what a mom Teresa.

 

With all the Giudice real estate rolling out on the market we will need a separate thread.

 

My guess is the senior Giudices probably engaged in a little mortgage fraud over the years.   I am wondering if some of these properties were used as bond for Teresa and Joe.

Mission to procure Fabellini isn't proceeding as well as planned. It appears to be sold in about 10 stores, but all in the NY/NJ area. Three offer it online. Found it as low for $10.99, but then they wanted $10 to ship. Fuck that.

Costco canceled the Fabellini product-select Costco stores I am sure.   I guess they got a lot of complaints about felons pitching in their stores. Napa Costco would not want that swill.  It essentially cheap sparkling wine with Crystal Light in it.

[gretchenfetchen]

I read somewhere that Ma and Pa Giudice had 600,000 dollars worth of mortgages on the house and paid $350k for it. So there' s that.

Noticed that Teresa is getting brown spots on her chest from all the tanning booth time. She has skin tags, spots possibly skin cancer to look forward to. She will really see the damage she has done to her skin when she no longer has access to the tanning booth. Very very bad for the skin. Brown spots all over the face. It takes time for all this stuff to show up. years after the tanning is over.

Also, whatever money Joe and T were able to make off the sale of their property would be from the fraud they committed and would go right back to the IRS. Right to the Judgment - any profit of any property obtained thru fraudulent mortgage loans is forfeited according to the plea agreement. Jeez, Tre downsizing to a million dollar home, 8 or 9 thousand sq. ft. Does anyone really believe she can afford to live like this?I wanna see her fall hard.

[Jennifersdc]

I forgot to add (maybe on another thread) about Teresa's Valentino bag. I noticed it awhile back. That's from a pretty recent line. I saw it in Nordstrom's last Christmas. I've been looking for a "special" bag for awhile and gave it brief consideration. My husband hated it on sight (obviously has better taste). It was about $2K.

So apparently now that it was noticed, according to Radar, Bravo lent it to her to keep up appearances? Doesn't Milania hide LV clutches in her closet that her mother didn't realize were missing? Loved the ridiculousness of the staged scene, but shouldn't Teresa know better?

Edited September 25, 2014 by Jennifersdc

[motorcitymom65]

I forgot to add (maybe on another thread) about Teresa's Valentino bag. I noticed it awhile back. That's from a pretty recent line. I saw it in Nordstrom's last Christmas. I've been looking for a "special" bag for awhile and gave it brief consideration. My husband hated it on sight (obviously has better taste). It was about $2K.

So apparently now that it was noticed, according to Radar, Bravo lent it to her to keep up appearances? Doesn't Milania hide LV clutches in her closet that her mother didn't realize were missing? Loved the ridiculousness of the staged scene, but shouldn't Teresa know better?

It just makes no sense to me that they would try to prop her up and make her look like she was living life per usual. How could this be anything but bad for public perception, unless that was the plan. And is Teresa really so dumb to have gone along with this? I cannot believe I just asked that.

On the NY show there is a deal that is wildly similar while at the same time different going on with Sonja. She has also been accused of fraud, is broke, and is often criticized for living large. This season when she went to the Hamptons, Bravo always captioned "Sonja's Borrowed House" whenever they showed her entertaining with the girls. Lots of folks were bitterly upset by this and thought Bravo was trying to humiliate her. I always assumed Sonja, or someone representing Sonja, wanted Bravo to make it clear that she wasn't out renting expensive vacation homes while bankrupt. I would've thought Teresa would have done the same. The world is scary when I think that Sonja might be smarter than anyone.

[Jennifersdc]

Don't know about Sonja (apparently smarter than Teresa). I really think Teresa bought that Valentino bag and not Bravo. Why would Bravo lend her something like that when she has more/at least expensive bags in her closet? Smart (dumb) enough to try to keep any Hermes/like hidden?

Then I remember Juicy being so understanding about her not being able to wear the same outfit twice on the show. It was only my second sighting of the Valentino.

[LotusFlower]

It just makes no sense to me that they would try to prop her up and make her look like she was living life per usual. How could this be anything but bad for public perception, unless that was the plan. And is Teresa really so dumb to have gone along with this? I cannot believe I just asked that.

LOL. I would have agreed with you, but then I remembered the realtor, who was obviously a plant and given a script. How many times did he show them a room and then compare it unfavorably to their current home? It was ridiculous. They weren't seriously looking at that house - the whole scene was staged to fit the storyline, which has been clear and consistent since day one of this season - chronicling the Giudice legal case with as much drama as possible. Showing Kathy "upsizing" during the same episode as Teresa "downsizing" was no coincidence. Same with the bag - I can see the producers pulling this stunt to show, as with the realtor's comments, an up/down or before/after take on Teresa's woes. They don't care about humiliating Teresa, or getting her in trouble. They care about the show. But unlike Sonja (or her advisors), yes - Teresa is that dumb to notice what they were doing.

[happykitteh]

Looks like Caro was right - Tre is planning on writing a book about her legal troubles "for her fans" to explain what happened.

 

http://www.inquisitr.com/1494849/joe-giudice-and-teresa-stay-focused-prior-to-sentencing-issues-statement/

[LotusFlower]

Looks like Caro was right - Tre is planning on writing a book about her legal troubles "for her fans" to explain what happened.

 

http://www.inquisitr.com/1494849/joe-giudice-and-teresa-stay-focused-prior-to-sentencing-issues-statement/

The mention of a possible book didn't seem real to me. And it didn't come from any source, either. (No quote from Teresa, no blog, no tweet...).

[happykitteh]

The last sentence said, "Teresa, on the other hand, has promised to explain everything. She even said she would write a book about it all for her Real Housewives of New Jersey fans". I took it at face value. I do think she'll try and market a book about this if she is legally allowed. She never miss an opportunity to market something.

[Lablover27]

Pssht.  

 

Instead of saying what I always say "stupid bitch" I am now changing it to "stupid felon."   To me, that is worse. 

 

I wonder what Tre can make with Ramon noodles, ketchup and hot sauce?  Will she squeal in the cell?  I guess she won't be taking her sausage slicer with her.  Just having her in prison issued underwear makes me smile.  Jim Carey in Liar Liar "Stop breaking the law, asshole!" 

Edited September 25, 2014 by Lablover27

[LotusFlower]

The last sentence said, "Teresa, on the other hand, has promised to explain everything. She even said she would write a book about it all for her Real Housewives of New Jersey fans". I took it at face value. I do think she'll try and market a book about this if she is legally allowed. She never miss an opportunity to market something.

I'm just saying it was kind of a nothing article. (No offense to you! All offense to the author.). I found it odd, or bad writing, that she wrote things citing Teresa's blogs, or speculation from others about the sentences and divorce rumors, but then at the end wrote the line you cited about a book. When did Teresa ever say that? Was she referring to Teresa's statement (which was really just her latest blog entry) where she said she'd "share all" with her fans? Is the author just assuming Teresa will write a book? (I don't mean to be so argumentative -- I just hate bad writing!).

Edited September 25, 2014 by LotusFlower

[zenme]

I wonder what Tre can make with Ramon noodles, ketchup and hot sauce?

 

Maybe she'll come out with a new cookbook marketed JUST TO other prisoners.  That could be interesting. 

[Lablover27]

Maybe she'll come out with a new cookbook marketed JUST TO other prisoners.  That could be interesting. 

Must be folded.  No staples allowed ;)  Written with one of those mini golf pencils.  Learned that from the Jodi Arias trial.  She tried to hide pens in her shampoo.  Giggling.

Edited September 25, 2014 by Lablover27

[zenme]

Must be folded.  No staples allowed ;)  Written with one of those mini golf pencils.  Learned that from the Jodi Arias trial.  She tried to hide pens in her shampoo.  Giggling.

 

Ha! Love to see her "keister" that!

[happykitteh]

 

I'm just saying it was kind of a nothing article. (No offense to you! All offense to the author.). I found it odd, or bad writing, that she wrote things citing Teresa's blogs, or speculation from others about the sentences and divorce rumors, but then at the end wrote the line you cited about a book. When did Teresa ever say that? Was she referring to Teresa's statement (which was really just her latest blog entry) where she said she'd "share all" with her fans? Is the author just assuming Teresa will write a book? (I don't mean to be so argumentative -- I just hate bad writing!).

 

No offense taken and I don't think you're being argumentative, just stating your views. I posted it because I thought it was interesting about the book since Caro said she thought Tre would do just that. I myself am assuming she will write a book if allowed. Isn't there a law that one cannot profit by writing a book about their crimes? Is that law only for violent crime?

[LotusFlower]

No offense taken and I don't think you're being argumentative, just stating your views. I posted it because I thought it was interesting about the book since Caro said she thought Tre would do just that. I myself am assuming she will write a book if allowed. Isn't there a law that one cannot profit by writing a book about their crimes? Is that law only for violent crime?

I asked the same question earlier in the thread (profiting off your crimes), but I don't think anyone answered. (I think that's a sign of frustration at all the sentencing delays - we're all starting to repeat topics!). And I like the book reference - I think Caroline's been pretty prescient about things involving Teresa. I just thought that particular mention was a little fuzzy. The big debate is whether Teresa will ever acknowledge her criminal behavior. She will in Court, of course, but what about everywhere else? If she continues her tour of denial, what kind of book is that? A sentence or two of how victimized she was at the hands of the Big, Bad Government, followed by pages of Milania's meatball recipes? Hair tips from prison? 100 Easy and Fast Recipes for Ketchup Packets? (If you look at the titles of books from the various HW's over the years, I'm only half-kidding!). But that's why I don't think the book info. Is credible.

[SFoster21]

When you plead guilty, you acknowledge your crimes, so T has done that where it counts, in front of the judge. At that time, she was asked a series of questions that elicited her freedom from chemical substances or duress and her denial that any promises were made to her in order to induce the plea.

She acknowledged that she knew the maximum punishment for the crimes and that she understood the crimes.

Pleading guilty in federal court is a lengthy process where the judge inquires to all these matters.

She doesn't care to discuss details with her friends, but she has acknowledged crimes before the court.

[Lablover27]

When you plead guilty, you acknowledge your crimes, so T has done that where it counts, in front of the judge. At that time, she was asked a series of questions that elicited her freedom from chemical substances or duress and her denial that any promises were made to her in order to induce the plea.

She acknowledged that she knew the maximum punishment for the crimes and that she understood the crimes.

Pleading guilty in federal court is a lengthy process where the judge inquires to all these matters.

She doesn't care to discuss details with her friends, but she has acknowledged crimes before the court.

That is what plea deals are all about.  Otherwise, she'd probably do more time.  It's about time.  Should have never filed the phony parachuting out BK filing, but eh.  That's what got them in trouble. 

 

Bet she hated every single second of that hearing.  However, you are right on. 

 

I wonder if she will put her hand on her hip and tilt her head in her prison I.D. picture.   Prison issued underwear.  I can hear her now "Oh my gawd, gross!"  Wait until she sees her mattress and flat pillow.

 

I hope they get at least 45 days to surrender.  That way they can make their vats of sauce to freeze, Juicy can finish off the wine in the cellar, and Tre can tan herself away and love love love everybody except who they owe money to.   The IRS is a beast.  It's not pretty as her hair, make up, beautiful coats and purses she takes into court to plead guilty. 

 

T doesn't owe me any explanation.  T doesn't have to discuss details of her CRIMES with me or her friends.  She just needs to focus on the next 7 days.  Take care of her 4 beautiful daughters and make arrangements.  And make sausages to freeze.

[LotusFlower]

She doesn't care to discuss details with her friends, but she has acknowledged crimes before the court.

Well she hasn't faced the judge yet, but of course she will at sentencing. (And she's admitted her guilt in the plea deal, as well as in the pre-sentencing probation report, right?). Do you know if there are any legal repercussions if she contradicts her admissions of guilt outside of the legal arena?

[happykitteh]

 

Do you know if there are any legal repercussions if she contradicts her admissions of guilt outside of the legal arena?

 

You're right about us all repeating topics ,lol! I asked this awhile back and no one answered. I assume she will make excuses about why she "needed" to plead guilty but maintain her innocence to the public.

Edited September 25, 2014 by happykitteh

[SFoster21]

She has faced the judge. The "plea deal" only refers to her pleading only to some specific crimes. The original indictment had many counts; the agreement is that she pleads only to some of those counts and the rest are dismissed.

She hasn't contradicted any of her plea; she seems to pretend that it didn't happen.

She has been advised, I'm sure, that her felony conviction has the possibility of expungement in the future, but presently, she is a convicted felon. This will mean many restrictions on her future. Even a probated sentence will be a burden.

I posted before that the delays don't serve her; Martha Stewart had the right idea to get it over with. This is where T's denial is hurting her. The sooner she serves, the sooner she can hope for expungement. The sooner it's over.

Whether her extra judicial remarks will carry any weight is an issue; however, this is why, IMHO, she shuts down conversations about her case. She isn' t wearing haircloth and self-flagellating, but who does? She's attempting to behave as normally as possible. Anyway, this stuff was taped months ago.

Presently, she is hopefully arranging things in anticipation of the worst case scenario.

Edited September 25, 2014 by SFoster21

[LotusFlower]

She hasn't contradicted any of her plea; she seems to pretend that it didn't happen.

I realize she hasn't contradicted anything yet; I'm wondering if anyone knows if there are any legal consequences to disputing - in the future - what she is expected to say to the judge at sentencing (admitting guilt to the 4 charges, accepting responsibility, and showing remorse).

[LotusFlower]

I asked this awhile back and no one answered. I assume she will make excuses about why she "needed" to plead guilty but maintain her innocence to the public.

We do seem to be asking the same questions! I'm guessing she'll take this route as well. With vague suggestions of "mistakes" she made (not crimes), and talk of "everyone else was doing it," and, of course, "it was all for (my) family."

[Rhetorica]

With a week to go, presumably, here's the latest pool predictions. They range from going Scot free to the death penalty...

Teresa:

probation

home sentence 

> 4 months 

4-5 months, then house arrest 

9 months

12 months

12 months, 6 months supervised release at home

2 years 

21 to 27 months

Joe 

<18 months

24 months 18 months served at home

36 months with no deportation

37 to 46 months 

5 years 

5 years time off for good behavior, home in 18 months.  

They will get a movie of the week/book deal and all debts will be forgiven.

[SFoster21]

I realize she hasn't contradicted anything yet; I'm wondering if anyone knows if there are any legal consequences to disputing - in the future - what she is expected to say to the judge at sentencing (admitting guilt to the 4 charges, accepting responsibility, and showing remorse).

She's admitted guilt already; what legal consequences do you propose if she later spins her plea? Once she's sentenced, any later remarks are moot. It's unknown if the judge will take into consideration her extra-judicial behavior. If brought to her attention by a party, it might weigh.

But, since we're assuming, I choose to assume that extra judicial remarks will not come into play.