Predator and Prey: Assault, harassment, and other aggressions in the entertainment industry

[Dimity]

4 hours ago, Shrek said:

I was always told the exact opposite because you don't need to try remember what you said last time but even then there would be small inconsistencies after such a long time

I think it's certainly true that a liar needs to have a good memory in order to keep their lies straight.  Someone not remembering things in exact detail shouldn't be a red flag.  On the other hand someone accusing another person of something that may land them in jail does need, IMO, to be, at the very least, telling a story that hangs together.

[Makai]

13 hours ago, Shrek said:

I was always told the exact opposite because you don't need to try remember what you said last time but even then there would be small inconsistencies after such a long time. 

It’s not really an either/or thing. There are multiple red flags for lying. A extremely consistent story with no variation is a sign of a potential lie because spontaneous memory recall isn’t uniform when repeated. In other cases the inability to repeat details or to quickly fill in new information can also be a red flag.

One thing I haven’t seen mentioned in this case, is that alcohol (potentially spiked based on her account) was involved which can explain many inconsistencies. 

Edited December 23, 2024 by Makai

[Kel Varnsen]

 

That reminds me of the one season and done Kings. The Crown Prince's Secret Service equivalent  would film the checking of ID and look for signs of intoxication before women could join the royal party group. Does the rockstar class depend upon venue security to do the initial screening, it seems so. The other possibilities that the star is targeting the underage specifically to treat his party guest with is the next level.

That is what I keep thinking of. This isn't the 70's anymore where a rock star can have an ongoing relationship with a 14 year old and no one will care. If a famous person wants to hook up with people at parties or after shows who cares. But it seems like having an insane level of due diligence to make sure your partner is a legal adult and that they are giving their consent seems like a no brainer.

[Ohiopirate02]

13 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

That is what I keep thinking of. This isn't the 70's anymore where a rock star can have an ongoing relationship with a 14 year old and no one will care. If a famous person wants to hook up with people at parties or after shows who cares. But it seems like having an insane level of due diligence to make sure your partner is a legal adult and that they are giving their consent seems like a no brainer.

It's because they want inexperienced sexual partners which means young. The term I have seen bamdied about online is "low body count" to refer to the kind of female sexual partner they want. As opposed to a "high body count" woman. 

[Raja]

3 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

It's because they want inexperienced sexual partners which means young. The term I have seen bamdied about online is "low body count" to refer to the kind of female sexual partner they want. As opposed to a "high body count" woman. 

I wouldn't think that would be true of the backstage groupies. Now at the Diddy parties it may be part of the scene 

[Bastet]

1 hour ago, Raja said:

I wouldn't think that would be true of the backstage groupies.

Why?  If men don't require anything close to an equally experienced partner in order to get their rocks off, and benefit from a partner's lack of experience in failing to help her get her own rocks off, what's the disincentive for this specific type of purely physical sex?

(To be clear, I'm talking even about situations where the sex is truly consensual, not where "low body count" comes via a girl, and none of this sexist shit even applies.)

As for Blake Lively's allegations, I don't know how much longer this will be valid, as I came across it elsewhere, but here's a gift link to the NY Times article (by Meghan Twohey and others of the Weinstein reportage) detailing the misconduct and subsequent smear campaign for reporting it.  This is one of the industry's more blatant cases, yet there's still the usual shit being thrown at her for defending herself.

[Raja]

1 minute ago, Bastet said:

Why?  If men don't require anything close to an equally experienced partner in order to get their rocks off, and benefit from a partner's lack of experience in failing to help her get her own rocks off, what's the disincentive for this specific type of purely physical sex?

(To be clear, I'm talking even about situations where the sex is truly consensual, not where "low body count" comes via a girl, and none of this sexist shit even applies.)

As for Blake Lively's allegations, I don't know how much longer this will be valid, as I came across it elsewhere, but here's a gift link to the NY Times article (by Meghan Twohey and others of the Weinstein reportage) detailing the misconduct and subsequent smear campaign for reporting it.  This is one of the industry's more blatant cases, yet there's still the usual shit being thrown at her for defending herself.

The assumption being that those trying to get backstage know the deal and hopefully inexperienced girls aren't seeing a one and done with the star as their first.

[Dimity]

You Fell For an Alleged Smear Campaign Against Blake Lively. Now What?

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As she watched the tide turn online against Blake Lively in the It Ends With Us drama last summer, Justin Baldoni’s newly-hired publicist mused to a colleague their team had a reliable weapon on their side: misogyny.

“Socials are really, really ramping up in his favour,” Melissa Nathan said of Baldoni, according to emails obtained by Lively in a lawsuit and shared with The New York Times. “[Lively] must be furious. It’s actually sad because it just shows you have people [who] really want to hate on women.”

 

Edited December 24, 2024 by Dimity

[andromeda331]

21 hours ago, Raja said:

The assumption being that those trying to get backstage know the deal and hopefully inexperienced girls aren't seeing a one and done with the star as their first.

Do they really think under age girls know the "deal"? 

[Raja]

1 hour ago, andromeda331 said:

Do they really think under age girls know the "deal"? 

Yes stories of the back stage shenanigans and groupie memoirs needing to first satisfy the entourage are not new and they are not hidden. 

[Blergh]

1 hour ago, Raja said:

Yes stories of the back stage shenanigans and groupie memoirs needing to first satisfy the entourage are not new and they are not hidden. 

And the laws stating that knowingly having sexual encounters with someone underage who cannot legally give consent due to not being considered an adult in the eyes of the law are also 'not hidden'- and it's entirely the responsibility of the technical adults to protect any minors discovered in their vicinity from anything criminal from happening until the minors can transported to a safe place!

 

[Danielg342]

On 12/23/2024 at 8:35 AM, Kel Varnsen said:

This isn't the 70's anymore where a rock star can have an ongoing relationship with a 14 year old and no one will care. If a famous person wants to hook up with people at parties or after shows who cares. But it seems like having an insane level of due diligence to make sure your partner is a legal adult and that they are giving their consent seems like a no brainer.

I'm not sure that, in the '70s, "no one cared"- it was more like underage relationships were easier to hide and that people were less sensitive towards them because we didn't yet understand the true impacts those relationships would have on those involved.

Heck, I'm sure even today people like Diddy, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Jeff Epstein, et all believed they were "above the law" because they wielded so much power and influence. They weren't the first and, sadly, they won't be the last.

The only real difference between today and the '60s and '70s (and before) is that today we have better avenues for survivors to come forward (with social media) and we have a better understanding of the physiological and psychological damages that these kinds of relationships bring.

As far as Diddy was concerned, running unregulated parties meant he had a lot of leeway. I'm sure many girls got in who were under 18 but looked older, or Diddy and/or others running the party thought they were too good looking to care that they were not 18.

"You say you're 18? Come on in, then!"

There probably were controls- or there were supposed to be controls- that would nominally prevent underage people from getting into Diddy's parties, but I'm sure a well-placed bribe, a real convincing act or just simply Diddy making a decision meant there likely were plenty of exceptions.

2 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Do they really think under age girls know the "deal"? 

Yeah...not that it excuses anything that happens to them, but I could see a lot of underage girls as being very naïve. I knew a girl in high school who really, honestly, believed she was going to marry Nick Carter (I still think she does). I'm sure there are other 14-year-old and 15-year-old girls that dream of falling in love or merely having sex with Harry Styles or Ed Sheeran. The girl at the centre of the Jay-Z allegations likely thought, "wouldn't it be so cool to get into one of Puffy's parties?" and she talked the doorman into letting her in.

What happens in these situations is that, once they're actually experiencing their "dream" situation, they either realize the situation wasn't the dream they thought it would be or they get so caught up in the moment that they may not realize until years later that they've been taken advantage of. There may be a tiny few that really do have a great experience, but they're probably not going to make allegations years later.

[Browncoat]

I would bet there are more 13-year-olds who don't "know the deal" than there are who do.  Being invited backstage at a concert or to a celebrity party wouldn't have meant "sex" to me when I was 13, or to any of my fellow 13-year-olds.  (One of my friends at the time was so uninformed that she did not believe/understand that rape could result in pregnancy.  I'm not sure what she thought rape was, tbh.)  We would have just been excited to meet our favorite celebrities!  

6 hours ago, Raja said:

Yes stories of the back stage shenanigans and groupie memoirs needing to first satisfy the entourage are not new and they are not hidden. 

They are not necessarily hidden, but may not be widely read among the pre-teen set, either.  How many memoirs did you (general you) read when you were 12 or 13?  

However, regardless of whether or not the 13-year-old "knew the deal," the so-called adults in the room should know better. They are responsible for any assault.

[merylinkid]

2 hours ago, Browncoat said:

the so-called adults in the room should know better. They are responsible for any assault.

This.   A thousand times THIS.

The 13 year old should "know the deal" is victim blaming.   Right up there with " what was she wearing."   Hey you try to get into one of Diddy's parties, well you shouldn't be surprised at what happened to you.   Yes, yes,   you should.   Because no one of ANY age should be forced to have sex without their knowing consent.

[Dimity]

2 hours ago, Browncoat said:

Being invited backstage at a concert or to a celebrity party wouldn't have meant "sex" to me when I was 13, or to any of my fellow 13-year-olds.

When I was 13 I was still in the getting crushes on celebrities stage where I had pin ups on my wall and dreamed of meeting one of them.  Meeting.  Not having sex.  I know this isn't true for every 13 year old but I am going to say it's more true for most than these 'men' would like to believe. 

On 12/23/2024 at 8:35 AM, Kel Varnsen said:

This isn't the 70's anymore where a rock star can have an ongoing relationship with a 14 year old and no one will care.

Not the 70s but I don't know how many people even really batted an eye at the way Elvis courted (for lack of a better word) teenage Priscilla.  I do know people were shocked when Jerry Lee Lewis married a 13 yr old but it didn't exactly ruin his career.

[Danielg342]

12 hours ago, Dimity said:

Not having sex.

Maybe it's just me (in more ways than one), but I did dream of having sex with my favourite celebrities when I was 13 (I still do...). I think the difference between then and now is that, at 13, I would dream of an idealized version of love and sex and not really understand the realities. It's the perfect opportunity for a predator because a predator would be able to talk a naive youngster out of their insecurities and into having sex they don't want because the youngster is dealing with feelings and emotions in the moment they still don't yet understand or grasp and likely won't until they're older.

[SVNBob]

On 12/25/2024 at 10:54 AM, Dimity said:

I do know people were shocked when Jerry Lee Lewis married a 13 yr old but it didn't exactly ruin his career.

Was the shock at the time more about her age, or the fact that she was his cousin (first cousin once removed)?  Or a combination of both?

(Another complication is that he lied to the press about her age; claiming she was 15.)

 

[Zella]

37 minutes ago, SVNBob said:

Was the shock at the time more about her age, or the fact that she was his cousin (first cousin once removed)?  Or a combination of both?

(Another complication is that he lied to the press about her age; claiming she was 15.)

 

From what I have read, it was outrage at both.* Also he married her months before his divorce for his previous marriage was finalized, and the whole bigamy thing on top of marrying his much younger cousin was also not well-received. 

This talks a little more about how the story broke. 

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/jerry-lee-lewis-drops-a-bombshell-in-london 

*Anecdotally, when my older relatives who were alive when the scandal broke randomly come across any mention of Jerry Lee Lewis, they still to this day scornfully mention "He married his thirteen-year-old cousin!" 

Edited December 27, 2024 by Zella

[tearknee]

Jerry Lewis wasn't much better.

[Makai]

On 12/24/2024 at 9:44 AM, Dimity said:

You Fell For an Alleged Smear Campaign Against Blake Lively. Now What?

 

So, the guy who decided to adapt a book repeatedly criticized for glorifying abuse ends up being an abusive asshole.

 

And of course it’s another guy who framed himself as an ally to women.

[Spartan Girl]

30 minutes ago, Makai said:

So, the guy who decided to adapt a book repeatedly criticized for glorifying abuse ends up being an abusive asshole.

 

And of course it’s another guy who framed himself as an ally to women.

[Dimity]

Zachery Ty Bryan Arrested For Domestic Violence - Again

[Bastet]

2 hours ago, Dimity said:

Zachery Ty Bryan Arrested For Domestic Violence - Again

His third.  He got a whopping seven days time served sentence for the last one. 

[Jaded]

Should have posted these here first and forgot.

Armie Hammer likens scandal to kink-shaming, talks deluge of bad press and living in a 'tiny-ass apartment'

Armie Hammer Says His Acting Career Has Picked Up So Much He’s ‘Turning Jobs Down’

Edited January 4 by Jaded

[andromeda331]

2 hours ago, Bastet said:

His third.  He got a whopping seven days time served sentence for the last one. 

Maybe the courts should sentence him longer? Instead of continuing to let him off the hook. Somehow all he's learning is he can hit someone and not go to jail for it. Who would have thought.

[Bastet]

On 1/3/2025 at 8:05 PM, andromeda331 said:

Maybe the courts should sentence him longer? Instead of continuing to let him off the hook. Somehow all he's learning is he can hit someone and not go to jail for it. Who would have thought.

He's scattered some DUI arrests amidst the DV arrests, too, so hopefully he's still on probation from the last DUI because, sadly, a probation violation will get more attention from the DA than his repeated attacks on his partner do alone.