2020 Auditions, Finals, and Training Camp

[rocketts]

3 hours ago, Dtowngal5280 said:

She lives with Lily - Alanna is one of my favorites too.

They don't live together anymore, Lily moved in with her boyfriend, and Alanna now lives with Dani, Ellie, and Cassie (who didn't make the team)

[blairwaldorf]

This will be unpopular but I'm not a fan of rookie Claire. She's like Maddie 2.0 to me and I am just struggling to see what it is about her that is so impressive to Kelli and Judy. 

For me, Hannah's bitter, passive aggressive attitude during the call when they cut her shed some light on a possible reason WHY she was cut. If she's pulled an attitude like that in the past, either directly to their faces or behind their backs and they found out about it, I'm not surprised that they let her go, unfortunately. Especially if there were also some dance issues in training camp. Whereas Brennan and Lily both made it clear they were upset but still came across as graceful and professional, Hannah just seemed spiteful, mean, and immature.

I also feel like if they're going to cut people for being ambassador risks because of their answers on media day, they need to make those cuts right after media day and not delay them. Or, if they don't want to cut great dancers who also happen to be inarticulate, then make media day part of show group auditions instead of part of general training camp. That way, bombing an interview won't necessarily keep you off the team, but it WILL keep you off of show group that year, where most of the high profile interviews take place.

 

Edited January 13, 2021 by blairwaldorf

[TheGenuineBeauty]

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I'd rather have Maddie over Rachel W. as point. Yes Rachel W. is a stunner but she's boring as point (from what we've seen of her as point) 

At least Maddie is somewhat fun to watch as point. Keyword....somewhat.

[blairwaldorf]

1 minute ago, TheGenuineBeauty said:

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I'd rather have Maddie over Rachel W. as point. Yes Rachel W. is a stunner but she's boring as point (from what we've seen of her as point) 

At least Maddie is somewhat fun to watch as point. Keyword....somewhat.

I wasn't as crazy about Rachel W. in her rookie year, but she has really grown on me and now she's one of my favorites to watch. 

[TheGenuineBeauty]

1 minute ago, blairwaldorf said:

I wasn't as crazy about Rachel W. in her rookie year, but she has really grown on me and now she's one of my favorites to watch. 

I remember when I first started lurking on this forum I mistook Rachel W. for VK cause everyone kept talking about how VK is Kelli's favorite and every single game day photo gallery had a picture of Rachel W. I was like "No wonder everyone hates Victoria, she's basically featured in every photo gallery" lol. 

Like I said great for photos, not great dancing wise. But that's just my opinion

[Tuxcat]

4 minutes ago, blairwaldorf said:

Whereas Brennan and Lily both made it clear they were upset but still came across as graceful and professional, Hannah just seemed spiteful, mean, and immature.

 It seems that people are mad that she didn't break down,  cry or beg.  I don't see how hers was any different? She accepted defeat and ended with a compliment. She ended by noting the group of strong women they had and said "you should be very proud of them." How is that spiteful? True, she wasn't in full makeup but she knew she was gone prior to the call,

[ByTor]

10 minutes ago, blairwaldorf said:

For me, Hannah's bitter, passive aggressive attitude during the call when they cut her shed some light on a possible reason WHY she was cut. If she's pulled an attitude like that in the past, either directly to their faces or behind their backs and they found out about it, I'm not surprised that they let her go, unfortunately. Especially if there were also some dance issues in training camp. Whereas Brennan and Lily both made it clear they were upset but still came across as graceful and professional, Hannah just seemed spiteful, mean, and immature.

I 100% agree with this. I can't speak to her attitude on the call, since I didn't see it, but IMO her IG shows what she's made of.

[Tuxcat]

Curious if they were in quarantine, why did Ashlinn leave that night right after her cut? 

[madmax84]

5 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Curious if they were in quarantine, why did Ashlinn leave that night right after her cut? 

Because their quarantine was never a true quarantine. If it was, they wouldn't have allowed her to leave unless she tested negative after like 7 days.

[blairwaldorf]

15 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

 It seems that people are mad that she didn't break down,  cry or beg.  I don't see how hers was any different? She accepted defeat and ended with a compliment. She ended by noting the group of strong women they had and said "you should be very proud of them." How is that spiteful? True, she wasn't in full makeup but she knew she was gone prior to the call,

I found her answers and her tone to be very passive aggressive, and they would have definitely rubbed me the wrong way if I were on the receiving end of them. Maybe it didn't come across that way to other people, though.

[aimeelou625]

52 minutes ago, blairwaldorf said:

This will be unpopular but I'm not a fan of rookie Claire. She's like Maddie 2.0 to me and I am just struggling to see what it is about her that is so impressive to Kelli and Judy. 

For me, Hannah's bitter, passive aggressive attitude during the call when they cut her shed some light on a possible reason WHY she was cut. If she's pulled an attitude like that in the past, either directly to their faces or behind their backs and they found out about it, I'm not surprised that they let her go, unfortunately. Especially if there were also some dance issues in training camp. Whereas Brennan and Lily both made it clear they were upset but still came across as graceful and professional, Hannah just seemed spiteful, mean, and immature.

I also feel like if they're going to cut people for being ambassador risks because of their answers on media day, they need to make those cuts right after media day and not delay them. Or, if they don't want to cut great dancers who also happen to be inarticulate, then make media day part of show group auditions instead of part of general training camp. That way, bombing an interview won't necessarily keep you off the team, but it WILL keep you off of show group that year, where most of the high profile interviews take place.

 

Claire could dance circles around most of the team in almost every style with few exceptions.

 

 

 

Edited January 13, 2021 by aimeelou625

[sugarplum]

22 minutes ago, blairwaldorf said:

I found her answers and her tone to be very passive aggressive, and they would have definitely rubbed me the wrong way if I were on the receiving end of them. Maybe it didn't come across that way to other people, though.

I completely agree with you. Hannah definitely showed an attitude on that call. I firmly believe editing can be made to whatever storyline they want, but they can’t create something out of something that isn’t there. Hannah’s facial expressions and the way she was answering them very much showed attitude to me even if she ended with a compliment. I think Brennan walked a fine line too (and I’m a huge Brennan fan). These girls knew they were being cut before the call and to me, it showed. After Lily was cut, they knew they were next. I would have kept all 3, but just based on their responses to the zoom calls, Hannah would have been the one I had said goodbye to if I only had to cut 1 of the 3. She didn’t do herself any favors in my eyes. 

[EricaShadows]

47 minutes ago, blairwaldorf said:

This will be unpopular but I'm not a fan of rookie Claire. She's like Maddie 2.0 to me and I am just struggling to see what it is about her that is so impressive to Kelli and Judy. 

For me, Hannah's bitter, passive aggressive attitude during the call when they cut her shed some light on a possible reason WHY she was cut. If she's pulled an attitude like that in the past, either directly to their faces or behind their backs and they found out about it, I'm not surprised that they let her go, unfortunately. Especially if there were also some dance issues in training camp. Whereas Brennan and Lily both made it clear they were upset but still came across as graceful and professional, Hannah just seemed spiteful, mean, and immature.

Hmmm, you call Hannah bitter and passive-aggressive when we see Kelli and Judy complimenting her to her face (and others around her) that she's a great dancer who rarely makes mistakes yet cut her without warning and claim it's due to performance issues that have never been addressed publicly?  Hannah's rebuke strikes me as someone who was blindsided by her cut and their reasoning why she was cut as they never said ANYTHING about her pom technique or any dance-related technique as far as we know.  If there was an issue with Hannah's attitude, it should have been addressed right then and there, even if it was something Kelli'd heard about second-hand.  Given the fact that Kelli has allowed girls with bad attitudes to stay on the team LONG past their expiration dates tells me that she's good with bad attitudes as long as the girl is one of her favorites.  No, given what we've seen on the show, it's getting clearer that Hannah's and Brennan's cuts were more for drama then for any other reasons.  Even Kelli's response of "It's performance related" rings so hollow it should be an echo chamber as we saw absolutely NO evidence whatsoever that there were performance-related issues.  Hannah had issues with ONE new dance and that could have been corrected easily enough given her history with the team.  If both Brennan and Hannah had so many performance-related issues, why didn't we see FAR more of them then were shown or why weren't they cut earlier?

37 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

 It seems that people are mad that she didn't break down,  cry or beg.  I don't see how hers was any different? She accepted defeat and ended with a compliment. She ended by noting the group of strong women they had and said "you should be very proud of them." How is that spiteful? True, she wasn't in full makeup but she knew she was gone prior to the call,

I'm not mad that she didn't break down, cry or beg.  At best, she was trying not to show how hurt, mad and upset she was that she was cut.  At worst, she was trying not to say something that could come back to haunt her in so many ways.  The fact that she was polite and neutral was to her benefit.

35 minutes ago, ByTor said:

I 100% agree with this. I can't speak to her attitude on the call, since I didn't see it, but IMO her IG shows what she's made of.

I don't think she had attitude on the call and I think her Instagram calls out Kelli's hypocrisy and other issues without really pointing a finger or doing it in a way that she could legally get in trouble for.  Social media is FULL of people calling out their former employers for far worse things and the fact that Kelli STILL has issues with proving that Hannah's cut wasn't BS is rather funny.

13 minutes ago, blairwaldorf said:

I found her answers and her tone to be very passive aggressive, and they would have definitely rubbed me the wrong way if I were on the receiving end of them. Maybe it didn't come across that way to other people, though.

Didn't come across passive-aggressive to me, but see above as to why.

1 minute ago, sugarplum said:

I completely agree with you. Hannah definitely showed an attitude on that call. I firmly believe editing can be made to whatever storyline they want, but they can’t create something out of something that isn’t there. Hannah’s facial expressions and the way she was answering them very much showed attitude to me even if she ended with a compliment. I think Brennan walked a fine line too (and I’m a huge Brennan fan). These girls knew they were being cut before the call and to me, it showed. After Lily was cut, they knew they were next. I would have kept all 3, but just based on their responses to the zoom calls, Hannah would have been the one I had said goodbye to if I only had to cut 1 of the 3. She didn’t do herself any favors in my eyes. 

Hannah could have said far worse things then she did and could have done something along the lines of Megan Flaherty but she didn't.  She was polite and pointed which rubs people the right way. 

[ByTor]

2 minutes ago, EricaShadows said:

Social media is FULL of people calling out their former employers for far worse things and the fact that Kelli STILL has issues with proving that Hannah's cut wasn't BS is rather funny.

Lots of people doing something doesn't make it right or classy, though. I don't think she should have been cut (I don't think any of the vets should have been cut, I think they should have gone with a vet only squad from the get-go), but I also think her attitude sucks (tm Cassie).

[Tuxcat]

4 minutes ago, EricaShadows said:

Hmmm, you call Hannah bitter and passive-aggressive when we see Kelli and Judy complimenting her to her face (and others around her) that she's a great dancer who rarely makes mistakes yet cut her without warning and claim it's due to performance issues that have never been addressed publicly?  Hannah's rebuke strikes me as someone who was blindsided by her cut and their reasoning why she was cut as they never said ANYTHING about her pom technique or any dance-related technique as far as we know.  If there was an issue with Hannah's attitude, it should have been addressed right then and there, even if it was something Kelli'd heard about second-hand.  Given the fact that Kelli has allowed girls with bad attitudes to stay on the team LONG past their expiration dates tells me that she's good with bad attitudes as long as the girl is one of her favorites.  No, given what we've seen on the show, it's getting clearer that Hannah's and Brennan's cuts were more for drama then for any other reasons.  Even Kelli's response of "It's performance related" rings so hollow it should be an echo chamber as we saw absolutely NO evidence whatsoever that there were performance-related issues.  Hannah had issues with ONE new dance and that could have been corrected easily enough given her history with the team.  If both Brennan and Hannah had so many performance-related issues, why didn't we see FAR more of them then were shown or why weren't they cut earlier?

I'm not mad that she didn't break down, cry or beg.  At best, she was trying not to show how hurt, mad and upset she was that she was cut.  At worst, she was trying not to say something that could come back to haunt her in so many ways.  The fact that she was polite and neutral was to her benefit.

I don't think she had attitude on the call and I think her Instagram calls out Kelli's hypocrisy and other issues without really pointing a finger or doing it in a way that she could legally get in trouble for.  Social media is FULL of people calling out their former employers for far worse things and the fact that Kelli STILL has issues with proving that Hannah's cut wasn't BS is rather funny.

Didn't come across passive-aggressive to me, but see above as to why.

Thank you agree.

Why are there differences between Hannah's perceived passive aggressive attitude and Brennan's outright words which literally called K/J out on the spot? 

Both were trying to preserve dignity by not losing it on national television. Both were determined to not allow this emotional experience to be exploited for the sake of ratings. I don't see that as attitude. 

I also see both as being upset less about their personal cuts and more about the realization that the organization is not all fairies and rainbows. If they had certain opinions about why DCC chose to prioritize ratings over the  mental and physical well being of the girls, then kudos to them for voicing their opinions.

 

[Pksbena1]

3 minutes ago, EricaShadows said:

Hmmm, you call Hannah bitter and passive-aggressive when we see Kelli and Judy complimenting her to her face (and others around her) that she's a great dancer who rarely makes mistakes yet cut her without warning and claim it's due to performance issues that have never been addressed publicly?  Hannah's rebuke strikes me as someone who was blindsided by her cut and their reasoning why she was cut as they never said ANYTHING about her pom technique or any dance-related technique as far as we know.  If there was an issue with Hannah's attitude, it should have been addressed right then and there, even if it was something Kelli'd heard about second-hand.  Given the fact that Kelli has allowed girls with bad attitudes to stay on the team LONG past their expiration dates tells me that she's good with bad attitudes as long as the girl is one of her favorites.  No, given what we've seen on the show, it's getting clearer that Hannah's and Brennan's cuts were more for drama then for any other reasons.  Even Kelli's response of "It's performance related" rings so hollow it should be an echo chamber as we saw absolutely NO evidence whatsoever that there were performance-related issues.  Hannah had issues with ONE new dance and that could have been corrected easily enough given her history with the team.  If both Brennan and Hannah had so many performance-related issues, why didn't we see FAR more of them then were shown or why weren't they cut earlier?

I'm not mad that she didn't break down, cry or beg.  At best, she was trying not to show how hurt, mad and upset she was that she was cut.  At worst, she was trying not to say something that could come back to haunt her in so many ways.  The fact that she was polite and neutral was to her benefit.

I don't think she had attitude on the call and I think her Instagram calls out Kelli's hypocrisy and other issues without really pointing a finger or doing it in a way that she could legally get in trouble for.  Social media is FULL of people calling out their former employers for far worse things and the fact that Kelli STILL has issues with proving that Hannah's cut wasn't BS is rather funny.

Didn't come across passive-aggressive to me, but see above as to why.

I agree with you 100%.  If Hannah voiced her opinion to K/J, regarding the lack of protection in their ‘bubble,’ and they just brushed her off....maybe, even gave her a hard time about how stressed she was, then maybe I’d have an attitude too. Who knows what went on behind closed doors? Maybe they targeted Hannah and Brennan and called them out on things while others, who also made mistakes, were never even mentioned. Her attitude might be because she was just done. But, unless we were there, it’s really hard to say if her attitude was justified or not. Remember, we are only seeing what they want us to see.  All I know is that Hannah is a very strong and talented dancer. You don’t make show group each year if you aren’t talented. 

[EricaShadows]

8 minutes ago, ByTor said:

Lots of people doing something doesn't make it right or classy, though. I don't think she should have been cut (I don't think any of the vets should have been cut, I think they should have gone with a vet only squad from the get-go), but I also think her attitude sucks (tm Cassie).

Agree that lots of people doing something doesn't make it right or classy, but neither does staying quiet and letting people say things about you that may or may not be true because it suits them.  Speaking out and speaking up has also led to others realizing that their treatment at the hands of certain people or businesses (not just Kelli, Judy, Charlotte or the DCC) aren't right and that could lead to change actually occurring.  Speaking up has risks but so does staying silent and whichever one a person chooses, they have to deal with the repercussions.

[Jennv]

3 minutes ago, Pksbena1 said:

I agree with you 100%.  If Hannah voiced her opinion to K/J, regarding the lack of protection in their ‘bubble,’ and they just brushed her off....maybe, even gave her a hard time about how stressed she was, then maybe I’d have an attitude too. Who knows what went on behind closed doors? Maybe they targeted Hannah and Brennan and called them out on things while others, who also made mistakes, were never even mentioned. Her attitude might be because she was just done. But, unless we were there, it’s really hard to say if her attitude was justified or not. Remember, we are only seeing what they want us to see.  All I know is that Hannah is a very strong and talented dancer. You don’t make show group each year if you aren’t talented. 

Exactly, we only see what thwy show us. We have heard rumors that VK was nasty and rude to everyone in camp, that both a rookie and one of the weakest vets are sleeping with players. I know if 2 of my coworkers were breaking a major rule and the boss chose to ignore it, then cut me, when i followed all the rules and went above and beyond for them, then I would have a major attitude. 

[Tuxcat]

It's also worth noting that normally vets are cut at finals. We see their shocked faces but then they are  swallowed up by their supportive teammates and shuffled off camera.

These vet cuts were literally zoomed in. Its honestly unrealistic to expect veterans to react with deference for K/J in that moment. I am impressed to be honest, that they remained so composed.