S07.E04: You Don't Forget Your Past

[MajorNelson]

7 hours ago, John M said:

Because I know what Uber drivers make and at best it is a barely living pay for a household of one, so unless there is a trust fund that hasn't been mentioned and he just chooses to have a cheap bedspread with a giant stain on it and very little home decor he isn't doing well.

In our area, maybe a year ago, Uber advertised quite a bit on the radio that a driver could make 50k.  Would you think that is for an extreme few perhaps?  🙂  What is reasonable income for a person willing to drive 40 hours/wk?

Edited November 28, 2019 by MajorNelson

[MajorNelson]

Ok, got some deets on porn Granny.  The dude with her with the beard is her husband and they've been married over 20 years.  Her backstory is laid out in the link below.  Age, 46.

I looked up her details, like a listing of her production companies, and whether she attends conventions, as it might indicate she is doing well.  I would say...possibly yes.  Oh, saw 391 titles at one listing 'database' site, which is 26/year average.

Spoiler

The link also says she got into the biz so she could finance real estate.  Assuming she did do that, perhaps she's got some dough.

Also, this is not her first reality tv show.

https://www.distractify.com/p/diamond-foxxx-90-day-fiance-husband

[Callaphera]

2 minutes ago, MajorNelson said:

Ok, got some deets on porn Granny.  The dude with her with the beard is her husband and they've been married over 20 years.  Her backstory is laid out in the link below.  Age, 46.

I looked up her details, like a listing of her production companies, and whether she attends conventions, as it might indicate she is doing well.  I would say...possibly yes.  Oh, saw 391 titles at one listing 'database' site, which is 26/year average.

  Reveal spoiler

The link also says she got into the biz so she could finance real estate.  Assuming she did do that, perhaps she's got some dough.

Also, this is not her first reality tv show.

https://www.distractify.com/p/diamond-foxxx-90-day-fiance-husband

I respect the hustle. 

[RealReality]

4 hours ago, Jel said:

I agree she appeared well groomed, and that grooming costs $$ as do nice teeth. 

So she seems to have enough money to spend it on that stuff, let's accept that as evidence she's doing okay financially, but how do we know she's spending any money on Bryson? There was some speculation upthread that she was providing for him monitarily. Maybe she is, I'm certainly open to the idea that she is, I just, at this point, don't see a reason to think she is or isn't, based on what we have seen on the show.  I'd be as puzzled by a comment like, "Cheapo Grandma doesn't even buy Bryson a birthday present!" for the same reason -- lack of evidence presented.

I'm open to the idea that she's a really great grandma, I just, so far, have not seen any reason to make that assumption.

That makes sense.   I could see both sides of the coin.  I don't envision her fully supporting Bryson, but stepping in to "help" financially when Robert has had a tough month.  

Uber/Lyft don't really have health insurance or sick days or vacation days and you're at the mercy of a number of factors.  If he drives his own car that means he may have unexpected maintenance costs, etc etc.  

This is only to say that if Uber is your sole source of income, it's not always super steady and it's tough if you can't work or if the work isn't there.  So I think it's likely that Robert has some very lean months.  

Since porn granny seems to love Bryson or is at least fond of him (she chooses to spend time with him in a regular basis) I don't think she'd want to see Bryson suffer and so I think she may step in financially when things are tight.  

This is speculative, and so if it's a bridge too far for people, I think that's reasonable too. 

Edited November 28, 2019 by RealReality

[RealReality]

1 hour ago, MakingBacon said:

Maybe Tania’s master plan is to leave for a month because Syngin will have forgotten how awful she is while she is gone. This is probably a Tania test and she will leave him with a Syngin-Do list that he must finish to prove his love. 

Betcha she comes home mad that the shed isnt finished. 

[mamadrama]

I have zero problems with strippers, porn stars, or hookers. I don't dream of my daughter being the next Jenna Jameson, but I wouldn't love her or respect her less if she did. Granny sexing it up andgetting her kicks for cash doesn't offend me; Granny demanding to know private crap about a person's birth control did. She was rude and nosey, but NAny was a bitch before they even met so it kind of evened out for me.

[mamadrama]

1 hour ago, MajorNelson said:

In our area, maybe a year ago, Uber advertised quite a bit on the radio that a driver could make 50k.  Would you think that is for an extreme few perhaps?  🙂  What is reasonable income for a person willing to drive 40 hours/wk?

We don't have rideshairs or taxis where I live but on a recent trip to Nashville I did a poll on all my Uber drivers. Out of 14, only 6 are making more than $30,000 a year-and they work at least 9 hours a day. They all said that gas, car maitenance, cleaning, etc eat into profits. There is a ton of competition in Nashville, too, so that doesn't help.

[Spike]

3 hours ago, MakingBacon said:

I also don’t understand how Robert has five children as he seems so low energy I cannot imagine him having sex with anyone. 

Reverse cowgirl.

[Gobi]

7 hours ago, MajorNelson said:

Ok, got some deets on porn Granny.  The dude with her with the beard is her husband and they've been married over 20 years.  Her backstory is laid out in the link below.  

  Hide contents

I see what you did there.

[blubld43]

On 11/26/2019 at 2:39 PM, essexjan said:

Tania is the worst, and Syngin must be wondering what happened to the woman he met in South Africa now he's confronted with this entitled, demanding harridan

Anny and Robert are both as awful as one another. I loved the grandma, and I don't criticise her at all for doing sex work. It's just work, it doesn't define her as a person or mean that she has no morals. She appears to have a very strong moral compass and clearly loves Bryson. I totally understand why she's so concerned about the appearance of this surly green-card tourist 

Mike and Natalie are adorable and genuinely appear to love one another. Her mum is so sweet and it's clear she loves Mike too. But I think Natalie will be in for such a shock when she gets to the USA. A farm in the middle of nowhere, with only Bojangles for company, is probably not what she will be expecting. It looked like a pretty rundown farm too.

I love Bojangles. He's like a little gnome who lives in the barn. He's probably related to Mose Shrute.

Harridan is the perfect word for Tania!

I am waiting for DJ Doug to pop up on that farm, he and Bojangles should start a satellite wedding venue on Mike's property. Plenty of room for goats.

[blubld43]

18 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

GIRL!!!!  I was ready to slice open a bottle of Aleve the other day.  I had a raging headache at the time and failure to get that thing open was not helping......

I had to literally slice open a bottle of salad dressing the other day, I could NOT get it open. So now I just pour it out of the sliced hole.

18 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

indly ask my hubby to loosen a few jars before he leaves for a weekend.  The man tightens jars with the hand of God, I swear!!!  I once asked a male cashier to loosen a jar of spaghetti sauce before leaving a store.  Yes I am a wimp.  Luckily I don't care for pickles, lol!!!

I never thought of this, but I certainly will next time I am checking out!

I must have missed Tania leaving for a month, I did fall asleep before the end. I wish they'd break this up into one hour each on Sunday/Monday.

[RealReality]

5 hours ago, blubld43 said:

I must have missed Tania leaving for a month, I did fall asleep before the end. I wish they'd break this up into one hour each on Sunday/Monday.

It was in the previews for the upcoming show.  

I'm interested in what reason she will cook up for taking off for 1/3 of their 90 days together.  

Maybe she is going to Costa Rica to recruit new cult members. Maybe she just wants a free trip to Costa Rica from TLC.  But this is 90 day fiance.....unless she is meeting another fiance, I'm not sure I want to see what she is up to. 

[Mu Shu]

17 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

Porn star granny is  young. She look old because of all her work on her face, but she's only a few years older than Robert. The fact that she brought up right away that she was a porn star is a red flag that she wants attention, IMO. She wants all the conversation to be about her. And she got it. Not many 46 year old women have settled on porn as a career. The porn industry is not a good place to be working in, so it's odd that someone would be able to subject themselves to the abuse for so long. She can't be mentally okay. Not because she has sex for money, but because the sex for money industry treats women terribly, and it's getting worse as people want more violence in their porn. If she is working for people that create porn that people pay for, it's probably shockingly degrading.

I think Porn Granny looks the same age roughly as nanny. She has gorgeous skin, hair, eyes, and bone structure. I don’t see any surgery on her face. Botox and fillers aren’t surgery, and hers are fairly well done. 

The actual adult film industry, the companies who have awards shows just like straight films, does not degrade its talent. It’s just like making a regular movie, but with sex. The lesser known studios and amateur films aren’t to the same standard, and usually make the gonzo porn. In many ways, the adult industry treats its workers better than big corporations do. Any woman who works in porn at 46 and looks that good is treating herself well, and is being treated well. I have to admire her for being strong enough for staying in the game so long and for being what appears emotionally healthy. 

Bryson is a young kid who is distracted by the camera and crew. I don’t think there is anything wrong or different about him. 

[MajorNelson]

14 hours ago, mamadrama said:

We don't have rideshairs or taxis where I live but on a recent trip to Nashville I did a poll on all my Uber drivers. Out of 14, only 6 are making more than $30,000 a year-and they work at least 9 hours a day. They all said that gas, car maitenance, cleaning, etc eat into profits. There is a ton of competition in Nashville, too, so that doesn't help.

Hmm, I was in Nashville in October, maybe we crossed paths.

30k or less is a far cry from 50k.  

[MajorNelson]

1 hour ago, RealReality said:

I'm interested in what reason she will cook up for taking off for 1/3 of their 90 days together.  

I'm interested in if they will show Syringe on his own for 30 days, and communicating with his friends back home or her friends there, and deciding she IS a controlling bayitch. 

optional: Then she comes home to a perfectly cleaned up shed, but he has already left for SA.

[RealReality]

44 minutes ago, MajorNelson said:

Hmm, I was in Nashville in October, maybe we crossed paths.

30k or less is a far cry from 50k.  

In an effort to avoid awkward silence and forced conversation, I talk to my uber drivers about their business since it's something they are familiar with. 

I think Uber drivers fall into two categories ....part time and full time.

Quite a few still only do it as a part time side hustle.....which I think was the initial idea.  Or driving for Uber is part of a string of "gigs" they do.  In these cases they are using their own car and the money is "so/so". Its just a way to pick up a few bucks and they aren't putting serious wear and tear on their car. 

One recent driver was in real estate, so he could write off mileage anyways and he had retired from a government job.  So he really just did it to earn some extra money.  

The people who do it full time seem most successful when they have a defined strategy for success.  

One driver would research where big events were being held and would try to determine which one he could make the most money at.  

For example, i went to see a speaker at Oracle arena.  Parking was $40. Flat rate, period.  A lot of people will just park a couple miles away and take an Uber to and from the event instead of having to deal with the hassle.

So, that guy would go to that area knowing he can make a lot of money ferrying people back and forth AND he gets a bonus for hitting a quota of rides.  

Other people will start in one location and take rides that move them closer and closer to a major airport because that's where they will get a lot of business.  

So, there may be a disparity in how much someone makes based on being strategic and working the system. 

[OrchidThief]

On 11/27/2019 at 11:36 AM, BallisticNikki said:

On 11/27/2019 at 10:12 AM, Mrs. Hanson said:

I kindly ask my hubby to loosen a few jars before he leaves for a weekend.  The man tightens jars with the hand of God, I swear!!!  I once asked a male cashier to loosen a jar of spaghetti sauce before leaving a store.  Yes I am a wimp.  Luckily I don't care for pickles, lol!!!

Are we still actually talking about literal glass jars here...or something more?

I got this item for my very elderly mother after my dad died. Electric jar opener. Works great. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/black-decker-lids-off-automatic-jar-opener-black/7326832.p?skuId=7326832&ref=212&loc=BM01&gclsrc=aw.ds&ds_rl=1260672&ds_rl=1266837&ds_rl=1260441&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3OPPqfWN5gIVkLfsCh13EwdbEAAYAiAAEgJhyvD_BwE

Edited November 28, 2019 by OrchidThief

[Lily247]

On 11/27/2019 at 12:47 PM, Spike said:

This may have been the case 50 or 60 years ago, but I don’t think it reflects contemporary attitudes.

In places like Ukraine/Russia, it still does unfortunately. Women over there go for men who seem secure. Thats why there are often beautiful Russian women with shlubby men. I think Natalie loves Mike, but it is very very obvious that she is with him because she desires a husband and family and needs a man to fill in the spot. In Eastern Europe, a 35 year old woman (not to mention divorcee) stands little chance to get married to a quality man. 

[Pixilicious]

Am i the only one who thinks Granny Porn brought up her career for publicity? In an industry with so many young women who are certainly more beautiful than her, i'm sure getting the TV attention was just a try to boost what is probably a sagging career...at 46 years old it might not be all that's sagging.

Her story about wanting to get the truth out there right away is ridiculous...this should've been just a casual meeting between all these people since it was the first time...there is time later for the serious questions and confessions...no reason in the world why it couldn't be a friendly meeting just to basically be introduced and converse like normal people do when meeting someone new.

[Mrs. Hanson]

@BallisticNikki, I really was taking about loosening actual jars, lol!!!  Looking back on the post, I can see thr racy meaning.

[RealReality]

55 minutes ago, Pixilicious said:

Am i the only one who thinks Granny Porn brought up her career for publicity? In an industry with so many young women who are certainly more beautiful than her, i'm sure getting the TV attention was just a try to boost what is probably a sagging career...at 46 years old it might not be all that's sagging.

Her story about wanting to get the truth out there right away is ridiculous...this should've been just a casual meeting between all these people since it was the first time...there is time later for the serious questions and confessions...no reason in the world why it couldn't be a friendly meeting just to basically be introduced and converse like normal people do when meeting someone new.

Its possible, but apparently she has been in like 400 "adult films" and owns property so she may not be someone desperate for publicity.  

The 90DF franchise has a number of sleuths who would have likely looked her up and found out she was a porn star.....so I could see her wanting to put it out there before people painted her as trying to conceal her profession out of shame. 

I think an exchange of careers comes up pretty quickly, or at least that been my experience.  It seems like a basic, general, non offensive question and conversation starter.  

But my career isn't likely to raise many, if any eyebrows 😂🤣😂🤣

[BallisticNikki]

On 11/27/2019 at 5:42 PM, RealReality said:

If someone cannot differentiate what was on the show and what wasn't that shouldn't stop everyone elses conversation (s), IMO.  

Any speculative comments I've read have been prefaced with qualifiers to let the reader know that it is based on the posters presumption or inference based on what they have seen, or their knowledge or experience. 

I think the discussion about the show can go far and wide because the show touches on a lot of issues.  I think if you don't want to discuss a topic or someone's opinion/speculation then the poster has the right to do that. 

But IMO, it's a forum about the show, which can encompass a number of opinions and speculative theories.  When people are confused, they ask for clarification, so I don't see the problem.  

Or we can stick to discussing what was actually on the show.

On 11/27/2019 at 10:45 PM, MajorNelson said:

Ok, got some deets on porn Granny.  The dude with her with the beard is her husband and they've been married over 20 years.  Her backstory is laid out in the link below.  Age, 46.

I can't believe she's only 46! Rough life 😮

And that's pretty close to Robert's age. 🤨

On 11/27/2019 at 11:40 PM, RealReality said:

Uber/Lyft don't really have health insurance or sick days or vacation days and you're at the mercy of a number of factors.  If he drives his own car that means he may have unexpected maintenance costs, etc etc.  

Lyft offers full health insurance. Uber doesn't.

Who else's car could he be driving? He would have to own the car and carry insurance in his name.

Edited November 29, 2019 by BallisticNikki

[Pixilicious]

I definitely understand what you mean, but simply saying you work in the film industry would suffice...if asked for more details, then go for it...i think knowing she did another reality show may sway my opinion...i think she likes telling people, and cameras on her is free publicity...God knows that even the Kardashians with all their money, never miss the opportunity to plug themselves or their family.

Edited November 29, 2019 by Pixilicious
Comment meant for RealReality...not sure why quoting her post didn't work...pretty sure it was my own error lol

[RealReality]

10 minutes ago, BallisticNikki said:

Or we can stick to discussing what was actually on the show.

I can't believe she's only 46! 😮

And that's pretty close to Robert's age. 🤨

Lyft offers full health insurance. Uber doesn't.

Who else's car could he be driving? He would have to own the car and carry insurance in his name.

We could stick to following the guidelines and rules of the forum, which, as far as I understand, do not forbid speculation.  

I'm sure that if the moderator of the forum can weigh in as to the acceptable topics of discussion.  As far as I know there is one moderator for this forum and he seems to limit discussion in accordance with the rules and guidelines.  

Uber and Lyft have programs with various rental car agencies to allow their drivers to rent cars to drive.  

Drivers can get insurance on themselves and not connected to a vehicle.  This is done quite often when there a high risk driver in a household who is excluded from a vehicle policy.  

Edited November 29, 2019 by RealReality

[Spike]

23 minutes ago, BallisticNikki said:

I can't believe she's only 46! Rough life

I live in a major city and see many women in their 40s every day and she certainly looks better than average for her age.  

[BallisticNikki]

19 minutes ago, RealReality said:

I'm sure that if the moderator of the forum can weigh in as to the acceptable topics of discussion.  As far as I know there is one moderator for this forum and he seems to limit discussion in accordance with the rules and guidelines.  

Lemme guess...you messaged one? 🙄

[Pixilicious]

😮

[BallisticNikki]

16 minutes ago, Spike said:

I live in a major city and see many women in their 40s every day and she certainly looks better than average for her age.  

Where do you live? Pan's Labyrinth?😆

OMG she looks terrifying to me. 

[sasha206]

On 11/27/2019 at 5:50 PM, RealReality said:

There are posters in here who know more about hair....,but porn granny seemed well dressed, her hair and makeup looked nice. 

Her hair at least looked like it had been professionally cared for, because it was healthy and long and the color looked nice and even. 

I thought her teeth looked well cared for.  

I think a lot of these things take money,  and stuff can go downhill if you don't invest money in them as you age.

So I don't think it's unreasonable to assume she is doing....okay financially.  

I wouldn't assume that botox, fillers, nice teeth = financially okay either.  Lots of women spend a lot of money on hair every month and don't have a pot to piss in.  People drive expensive cars  without a pot to piss in.  She could be paying the minimum credit card payment every month and have tons of debt. 

Again, we have zero idea what her finances are, even if she got into porn to fund her real estate.   Also, having real estate does not necessarily mean you are rolling in dough either.  You could flip houses and not do well.   Real estate is known to bubble. You could buy a house for $500K and the market flops and suddenly you can only dump that property for a massive loss.  

Now, if she financially supports Bryson, I think she has every right to ask the questions of Anny.  But she should have prefaced it as such.  "I'm asking you these questions because I am currently financial support for Bryson.  He simply cannot afford another kid and wife."

Edited November 29, 2019 by sasha206

[RealReality]

23 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

I wouldn't assume that botox, fillers, nice teeth = financially okay either.  Lots of women spend a lot of money on hair and don't have a pot to piss in.  People drive Mercedes Benz without a pot to piss in.  She could be paying the minimum credit card payment every month and have tons of debt. 

Again, we have zero idea what her finances are, even if she got into porn to fund her real estate.   Also, having real estate does not necessarily mean you are rolling in dough either.  You could flip houses and not do well.   Real estate is known to bubble. You could buy a house for $500K and the market flops and suddenly you can only dump that property for a massive loss.  

Now, if she financially supports Bryson, I think she has every right to ask the questions of Anny.  But she should have prefaced it as such.  "I'm asking you these questions because I am currently financial support for Bryson.  He simply cannot afford another kid and wife."

Id call it a rebuttable presumption.  

I think it's reasonable to see signs of financial stability of wealth and assume that they are signs of the person's financial situation in the absence of evidence to the contrary.  

Yes, there are people who front and live an expensive lifestyle on 29% interest credit cards and minimum payments.  But while I think you can make a reasonable presumption based on what you see ...I'm not so sure it's reasonable to make an assumption based on what you don't see. 

As far as the real estate, can't know if those investments turned out good or bad ....but most of the times, outside of the timeline of the most recent housing crisis, banks performed a level of income verification before loaning out money....so she would have had to have had some evidence of a reasonable and stable income to qualify for a loan.  

She has been in the "business" like 20+ years IIRC, so it's likely that she started investing before the crash.

I don't think Granny's right to ask the question hinges on her financial involvement.  I think it's a fair question because she cares about Bryson and doesn't want to see him hurt or pushed aside and that level of care ...to me, is mutually exclusive of how much she contributes to Bryson's care.  

I contribute zero dollars to my nephews' care and upkeep, but if I saw a situation that could hurt them id like to think I'd ask a question or say something. 

Edited November 29, 2019 by RealReality

[RealReality]

43 minutes ago, BallisticNikki said:

Lemme guess...you messaged one? 🙄

Nope, but your comment is a great example of speculation about something that wasn't on the show. 

[Spike]

32 minutes ago, BallisticNikki said:

Where do you live? Pan's Labyrinth?😆

OMG she looks terrifying to me. 

I’m not looking to trade insults so I will bow out at this point.

[Pixilicious]

According to the link someone posted here,  she started in the "business" at 31...kind of a late start, but she seems to have put a lot of film time in during those 15 years...work it while you've got it...i think she looks average for her age...i see lots of prettier women her age, but also ones who look a lot rougher...i'm guessing she looks younger in the right lighting and with a dick in her mouth.

Edited November 29, 2019 by Pixilicious
Fix typo

[sasha206]

32 minutes ago, RealReality said:

Id call it a rebuttable presumption.  

I think it's reasonable to see signs of financial stability of wealth and assume that they are signs of the person's financial situation in the absence of evidence to the contrary.  

Yes, there are people who front and live an expensive lifestyle on 29% interest credit cards and minimum payments.  But while I think you can make a reasonable presumption based on what you see ...I'm not so sure it's reasonable to make an assumption based on what you don't see. 

As far as the real estate, can't know if those investments turned out good or bad ....but most of the times, outside of the timeline of the most recent housing crisis, banks performed a level of income verification before loaning out money....so she would have had to have had some evidence of a reasonable and stable income to qualify for a loan.  

She has been in the "business" like 20+ years IIRC, so it's likely that she started investing before the crash.

I don't think Granny's right to ask the question hinges on her financial involvement.  I think it's a fair question because she cares about Bryson and doesn't want to see him hurt or pushed aside and that level of care ...to me, is mutually exclusive of how much she contributes to Bryson's care.  

I contribute zero dollars to my nephews' care and upkeep, but if I saw a situation that could hurt them id like to think I'd ask a question or say something. 

Wait, you are telling me because she's been in an industry for 20+ years supposedly to fund her real estate ventures and because she has kept herself nice that we all must assume she is well off until proven otherwise?  Porn isn't that lucrative for the actresses, by the way.   I know plenty of people with vacation houses and rental properties that aren't wealthy either.  They are investments that *likely* will pay off eventually but having real estate can also mean you have a lot of debt as well.  

Her profession requires the upkeep to keep her youthful looking; it doesn't mean you are wealthy or that you are some financial genius.  I get botox every six months at my dentist for $250 (yes, dentist; dentists are highly trained in facial anatomy).  Injections to the face do not cost a fortune.  (P.S., Her hair didn't scream "I'm wealthy from porn and real estate!")  

She may not be swimming in debt, but I also doubt that she's sitting on a wad of cash from her real estate funded by porn.  If she was some financial wizard, I would think Bryson's living conditions would be slightly better.  Or she would quit the biz at this point because real estate has made her wealthy if this is the reason she got into porn.

Obviously, these are my opinions, my speculations -- just like many on this thread think she's wealthy b/c her face looks pretty and injected, she's had a lengthy career, and she's in real estate.

Edited November 29, 2019 by sasha206

[RealReality]

17 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Wait, you are telling me because she's been in an industry for 20+ years supposedly to fund her real estate ventures and because she has kept herself nice that we all must assume she is well off until proven otherwise?  Porn isn't that lucrative for the actresses, by the way.   I know plenty of people with vacation houses and rental properties that aren't wealthy either.  They are investments that *likely* will pay off eventually but having real estate can also mean you have a lot of debt as well.  

Her profession requires the upkeep to keep her youthful looking; it doesn't mean you are wealthy or that you are some financial genius.  I get botox every six months at my dentist for $250.  Injections to the face do not cost a fortune.  (P.S., Her hair didn't scream "I'm wealthy from porn and real estate!")  

She may not be swimming in debt, but I also doubt that she's sitting on a wad of cash from her real estate funded by porn.  If she was some financial wizard, I would think Bryson's living conditions would be slightly better.  Or she would quit the biz at this point because real estate has made her wealthy if this is the reason she got into porn.

Obviously, these are my opinions, my speculations -- just like many on this thread think she's wealthy b/c her face looks pretty and injected, she's had a lengthy career, and she's in real estate.

I never, ever said that we must all assume anything.  

I also never said that my presumption was that she was sitting on a pile of cash. 

A lot every wealthy people have debt, so I dont necessarily consider debt a hallmark of poverty or lack of debt a hallmark of being financially sound.  There are certainly billionaires who carry debt.  

In my experience wealthy people don't aim for an appearance that "screams" anything.  Nice hair, nice clothing, nice figure, nice teeth...well maintained, but not ostentatious.  Though, I've never posited that I think Gran is wealthy, just relatively well off based on the information that I have. 

If what you see leads you to draw a different conclusion....well, to each their own. 

Edited November 29, 2019 by RealReality

[sasha206]

13 minutes ago, RealReality said:

I never, ever said that we must all assume anything.  

I also never said that my presumption was that she was sitting on a pile of cash. 

A lot every wealthy people have debt, so I dont necessarily consider debt a hallmark of poverty or lack of debt a hallmark of being financially sound.  There are certainly billionaires who carry debt.  

In my experience wealthy people don't aim for an appearance that "screams" anything.  Nice hair, nice clothing, nice figure, nice teeth...well maintained, but not ostentatious.  Though, I've never posited that I think Gran is wealthy, just relatively well off based on the information that I have. 

If what you see leads you to draw a different conclusion....well, to each their own. 

I took your "Id call it a rebuttable presumption" as that I must assume she is well off financially until proven otherwise.   And your response indicates she must be "relatively well off" based on information that you have.  Information you have is that she has a lengthy porn career, says she is in real estate, and looks maintained.  I am simply positing that none of that suggests she's "relatively well off."   

Edited November 29, 2019 by sasha206

[sasha206]

For those that think porn pays well, this is an interesting article from 2016.  

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/20/porns-dirtiest-secret-what-everyone-gets-paid.html

Being in 400 films does not mean she's got a lucrative job.  Maybe she dances for extra income.  And only the top porn stars make 6 figures and Diamond Foxx is not one of the top porn stars.  

For such an "empowering" profession, it's not one that pays well until you are top tier and performing lap dances on the side.   

Edited November 29, 2019 by sasha206

[sasha206]

On 11/28/2019 at 1:31 PM, Mu Shu said:

I think Porn Granny looks the same age roughly as nanny. She has gorgeous skin, hair, eyes, and bone structure. I don’t see any surgery on her face. Botox and fillers aren’t surgery, and hers are fairly well done. 

The actual adult film industry, the companies who have awards shows just like straight films, does not degrade its talent. It’s just like making a regular movie, but with sex. The lesser known studios and amateur films aren’t to the same standard, and usually make the gonzo porn. In many ways, the adult industry treats its workers better than big corporations do. Any woman who works in porn at 46 and looks that good is treating herself well, and is being treated well. I have to admire her for being strong enough for staying in the game so long and for being what appears emotionally healthy. 

Bryson is a young kid who is distracted by the camera and crew. I don’t think there is anything wrong or different about him. 

I agree that she's a beautiful woman; see my first post.

Now, I have to ask the question:  If the porn industry treats their women so well and better than most corporations, why are you admiring her for "being strong enough for staying in the game so long and for being what appears emotionally healthy. " Your comment suggests that it is rare, next to impossible to be emotionally healthy and strong in the industry you said treats their actors better than most corporations treat their employees.  Seemingly, someone that works in such an empowering industry would be strong and emotionally healthy and this would not be a rarity.  Can you explain this disconnect?

Edited November 29, 2019 by sasha206

[sasha206]

Also, based on this interview, Porn Granny isn't really in real estate.  She did porn to get $8K to buy her first house.  According to the interview, that's the most involved she's been in real estate.

https://interviews.adultdvdtalk.com/diamond-foxxx/"

CJ: What would you be doing if you weren’t in the adult industry?

Diamond: I’d probably be doing real estate but I don’t know. That’s a good question. When I’m not working, I stay home and take care of the family and that’s probably what I would prefer to be doing if I weren’t shooting porn.

Now that I've researched Porn Granny, I must now reevaluate my life for why I just spend time researching Porn Granny.

[RealReality]

54 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

I took your "Id call it a rebuttable presumption" as that I must assume she is well off financially until proven otherwise.   And your response indicates she must be "relatively well off" based on information that you have.  Information you have is that she has a lengthy porn career, says she is in real estate, and looks maintained.  I am simply positing that none of that suggests she's "relatively well off."   

"I would call it a rebuttable presumption".  To me saying that I would call something a rebuttable presumption is pretty clearly not setting forth a strict requirement that everyone has to feel the same way or assume the same things.  

I think all of the things I've mentioned suggests that she is relatively well off for all the reasons I've stated above.

But of course youre free to make your own assumptions and presumptions based on your set of facts, which include knowing real estate investors who are in debt, the price of botox injections from your dentist, and that her hair doesn't scream anything. 

[RealReality]

51 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Also, based on this interview, Porn Granny isn't really in real estate.  She did porn to get $8K to buy her first house.  According to the interview, that's the most involved she's been in real estate.

https://interviews.adultdvdtalk.com/diamond-foxxx/"

CJ: What would you be doing if you weren’t in the adult industry?

Diamond: I’d probably be doing real estate but I don’t know. That’s a good question. When I’m not working, I stay home and take care of the family and that’s probably what I would prefer to be doing if I weren’t shooting porn.

Now that I've researched Porn Granny, I must now reevaluate my life for why I just spend time researching Porn Granny.

She specifically says that she wanted to invest in real estate and needed $8k for a first house.  

Diamond: moved to Florida and I was about 31 when I entered porn. We got into the business because I needed money to invest in real estate. The real estate market was booming. I needing about $8,000 to put down on a house and it might as well have been $8 million because I didn’t have it. I didn’t even have $800; I had nothing. I went out to LA to shoot porn for a couple of weeks. I figured I could make the money I needed for my real estate and call it a day. I was out there for two weeks and shot and when I came back to West Palm Beach, Florida, where we were living

So, the way I read that is she needed $8k to buy a first investment property.  She didn't say she needed $8k to buy her house, she needed it to invest in a first property. 

She never said she stopped with one house, but rather explained why she did her first porn.  She did her first porn to fund her first investment house. 

She wasn't asked "so how many investment homes do you have in your portfolio?"  She was talking about why she ever started doing porn.

So really, that interview lets us know that she at least has one investment home.  It's unclear where said investment home is located or if it is her only one.    

Edited November 29, 2019 by RealReality

[sasha206]

9 minutes ago, RealReality said:

"I would call it a rebuttable presumption".  To me saying that I would call something a rebuttable presumption is pretty clearly not setting forth a strict requirement that everyone has to feel the same way or assume the same things.  

I think all of the things I've mentioned suggests that she is relatively well off for all the reasons I've stated above.

But of course youre free to make your own assumptions and presumptions based on your set of facts, which include knowing real estate investors who are in debt, the price of botox injections from your dentist, and that her hair doesn't scream anything. 

I guess I took rebuttable presumption as the literal definition of the term -- that we must accept she does "relatively well" as fact until proven otherwise. Perhaps I took your use of that term too literally.

As I've stated before -- we are ALL speculating on her financial wealth and none of us have any insight into her financial health.  I'm simply pointing out that having botox and fillers, and being "in real estate" does not mean that you make a great living and/or are financially stable.   She may be rich AF off that empowering porn career and real estate, but I'm guessing if her grandson she sees every other week doesn't have a bed, she probably isn't rich AF.

[RealReality]

2 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

I guess I took rebuttable presumption as the literal definition of the term -- that we must accept she does "relatively well" as fact until proven otherwise. Perhaps I took your use of that term too literally.

As I've stated before -- we are ALL speculating on her financial wealth and none of us have any insight into her financial health.  I'm simply pointing out that having botox and fillers, and being "in real estate" does not mean that you make a great living and/or are financially stable.   She may be rich AF off that empowering porn career and real estate, but I'm guessing if her grandson she sees every other week doesn't have a bed, she probably isn't rich AF.

That's why I consider it a rebuttable presumption.  Its rebuttable with evidence to the contrary.  

I think that an assumption she isn't well off because Bryson doesn't have a bed seems like a tenuous nexus.  As someone else pointed out, she may not know if Bryson visits her every other weekend.  Or she may not want to give Robert the money for a bed.  Or Robert may have another reason for he and Bryson sleeping in the same bed. 

Edited November 29, 2019 by RealReality

[sasha206]

5 minutes ago, RealReality said:

She specifically says that she wanted to invest in real estate and needed $8k for a first house.  

Diamond: moved to Florida and I was about 31 when I entered porn. We got into the business because I needed money to invest in real estate. The real estate market was booming. I needing about $8,000 to put down on a house and it might as well have been $8 million because I didn’t have it. I didn’t even have $800; I had nothing. I went out to LA to shoot porn for a couple of weeks. I figured I could make the money I needed for my real estate and call it a day. I was out there for two weeks and shot and when I came back to West Palm Beach, Florida, where we were living

So, the way I read that is she needed $8k to buy a first investment property.  She didn't say she needed $8k to buy her house, she needed it to invest in a first property. 

She never said she stopped with one house, but rather explained why she did her first porn.  She did her first porn to fund her first investment house. 

She wasn't asked "so how many investment homes do you have in your portfolio?"  She was talking about why she ever started doing porn. So really, that interview lets us know that she at least has one investment home.  It's unclear where said investment home is located.  

6 minutes ago, RealReality said:

She specifically says that she wanted to invest in real estate and needed $8k for a first house.  

Diamond: moved to Florida and I was about 31 when I entered porn. We got into the business because I needed money to invest in real estate. The real estate market was booming. I needing about $8,000 to put down on a house and it might as well have been $8 million because I didn’t have it. I didn’t even have $800; I had nothing. I went out to LA to shoot porn for a couple of weeks. I figured I could make the money I needed for my real estate and call it a day. I was out there for two weeks and shot and when I came back to West Palm Beach, Florida, where we were living

So, the way I read that is she needed $8k to buy a first investment property.  She didn't say she needed $8k to buy her house, she needed it to invest in a first property. 

She never said she stopped with one house, but rather explained why she did her first porn.  She did her first porn to fund her first investment house. 

She wasn't asked "so how many investment homes do you have in your portfolio?"  She was talking about why she ever started doing porn. So really, that interview lets us know that she at least has one investment home.  It's unclear where said investment home is located.  

True.  I read "Needless to say, I made my $8,000 and bought my first house" as buying her first house to live in, not the first in a series of real estate holdings. She also didn't say she continued to make a living investing off real estate. 

And she also said that if she weren't in porn, she would "’probably be doing real estate but I don’t know. That’s a good question. When I’m not working, I stay home and take care of the family and that’s probably what I would prefer to be doing if I weren’t shooting porn."  To me that reads she's not currently "doing real estate."  I guess that would not be your read of that.

[sasha206]

1 minute ago, RealReality said:

That's why I consider it a rebuttable presumption.  Its rebuttable with evidence to the contrary.  

I'm not being obtuse.  The way I read your "rebuttable presumption" comment was porn career longevity, real estate holdings, and a face full of injectables = fact that she is "relatively well off" unless we can prove otherwise; that our speculation is just that whereas you have some basis in fact.  But maybe I'm just being a total dick here! 

I hope that she's financially successful and that porn has paid off well for her and she was able to parlay that money into some great real estate investments.  I'm just doubtful.  

[RealReality]

2 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

True.  I read "Needless to say, I made my $8,000 and bought my first house" as buying her first house to live in, not the first in a series of real estate holdings. She also didn't say she continued to make a living investing off real estate. 

And she also said that if she weren't in porn, she would "’probably be doing real estate but I don’t know. That’s a good question. When I’m not working, I stay home and take care of the family and that’s probably what I would prefer to be doing if I weren’t shooting porn."  To me that reads she's not currently "doing real estate."  I guess that would not be your read of that.

"Doing real estate" is something completely different than having investment properties IMO. 

My mom is a real estate agent and broker....that, to me, is "doing real estate."

To me, my sister, who has a property with a paying tenant is not "doing real estate" nor is any investor who pays a property management company to manage their properties ...or anyone invested in a real estate investment trust. 

So, no, I think she could invest in real estate, in multiple properties and not be "doing real estate.". I don't think the statement is dispositive. 

Just now, sasha206 said:

I'm not being obtuse.  The way I read your "rebuttable presumption" comment was porn career longevity, real estate holdings, and a face full of injectables = fact that she is "relatively well off" unless we can prove otherwise; that our speculation is just that whereas you have some basis in fact.  But maybe I'm just being a total dick here! 

I hope that she's financially successful and that porn has paid off well for her and she was able to parlay that money into some great real estate investments.  I'm just doubtful.  

I think all of the above are factors supporting a conclusion that she is financially well off.  

I wouldn't say that everyone has to accept my logic and reasoning and they are free to come to their own conclusions.  

For me, until I see evidence to the contrary, what I've seen leads to my rebuttable presumption that she is financially well off. 

[sasha206]

8 minutes ago, RealReality said:

"Doing real estate" is something completely different than having investment properties IMO. 

My mom is a real estate agent and broker....that, to me, is "doing real estate."

To me, my sister, who has a property with a paying tenant is not "doing real estate" nor is any investor who pays a property management company to manage their properties ...or anyone invested in a real estate investment trust. 

So, no, I think she could invest in real estate, in multiple properties and not be "doing real estate.". I don't think the statement is dispositive. 

Yes, I thought the "doing real estate" was an odd phrase.  The vagueness of that phrase leads me to believe it is more  likely that she really has never done anything in real estate more than sink $8K into her first home, and that "funding real estate" is the "I'm paying off school debt" type of bullshit excuse to give to people about why they got into porn. 

Again, this is just my speculation.

I know there are many here that think porn is an empowering industry for women, but I don't think it's an industry you stay in if you have made a ton of money off real estate and are now financially secure.  By her own account, she was not some highly sexual being who got into because she just LOOOOOOVED sex.  

Edited November 29, 2019 by sasha206

[sasha206]

15 minutes ago, RealReality said:

"Doing real estate" is something completely different than having investment properties IMO. 

My mom is a real estate agent and broker....that, to me, is "doing real estate."

To me, my sister, who has a property with a paying tenant is not "doing real estate" nor is any investor who pays a property management company to manage their properties ...or anyone invested in a real estate investment trust. 

So, no, I think she could invest in real estate, in multiple properties and not be "doing real estate.". I don't think the statement is dispositive. 

I think all of the above are factors supporting a conclusion that she is financially well off.  

I wouldn't say that everyone has to accept my logic and reasoning and they are free to come to their own conclusions.  

For me, until I see evidence to the contrary, what I've seen leads to my rebuttable presumption that she is financially well off. 

So you really think she'd continue to do porn if she were financially well off?  If she were able to sink her porn earnings into a lucrative real estate portfolio, I would think she's be an ex-porn star.  Based on her comments in the interview, I got the feeling it was literally a transaction and once all the porn was out there, she might as well stay in the industry.  The interview didn't strike me as someone who loves being in porn so much she'd stay in it after becoming financially well off.

And holy fuck, I should do something more productive than argue about this!  

Edited November 29, 2019 by sasha206

[sasha206]

30 minutes ago, RealReality said:

"Doing real estate" is something completely different than having investment properties IMO. 

My mom is a real estate agent and broker....that, to me, is "doing real estate."

To me, my sister, who has a property with a paying tenant is not "doing real estate" nor is any investor who pays a property management company to manage their properties ...or anyone invested in a real estate investment trust. 

So, no, I think she could invest in real estate, in multiple properties and not be "doing real estate.". I don't think the statement is dispositive. 

I think all of the above are factors supporting a conclusion that she is financially well off.  

I wouldn't say that everyone has to accept my logic and reasoning and they are free to come to their own conclusions.  

For me, until I see evidence to the contrary, what I've seen leads to my rebuttable presumption that she is financially well off. 

BTW, sorry that I am sounding like a dick!  Will shut up on my speculations now!  

[Pixilicious]

Well what she does for a living and how much she makes doesn't really matter...i'm glad that she wants to be a part of her grandson's life, and that Robert seems to want that too...it's the best for the child...if Anny is sincere about wanting to be a part of Robert and Bryson's lives then she should have been a bit nicer...she certainly acted like a woman who only wants a green card and has no interest in being a part of this family down the road.