S09.E03: Slashdance

[ShadowHunter]

2 hours ago, sashayshante said:

I said the same thing in another forum. This season should have been called American Horror Story: Unemployment since the majority of the cast's entire career is dependent upon Ryan Murphy writing them into one of his shows. The more we learn about Donna Chambers, the more I'm convinced she's this season's Dinah Stevens: character with no real purpose to the plot but given a role because she's friends with Murphy. in fact, many of these characters feel like they were intended for someone else - Burke the porn Daddy even looked like Cheyenne Jackson.   Cook seems like a role meant for Kathy Bates. Age-wise, Paulson was a much closer fit to Margaret than Grossman. Trevor has Peters written all over him. Either they all hard-passed this season or Murphy didn't invite them back.

I can remember Murphy giving an interview right after he got his star on the walk of fame. He said he was going to share the theme for the upcoming AHS season with the cast at some after party they were having. He knew back in late 2018 he was going to shoot this camp season. And I was today years old when I made the connection between this season and Lourde, Grossman, Roberts and Fern appearing at this year's Met Gala with Murphy where the theme was "camp."

I don't think Ramirez will turn out to be Ramirez because of what you said: he has a real-life timeline. (But then, Murphy had no problem implying Gianni Versace has HIV and one of Cunanan's victims tried to kill himself despite there being not one shred of evidence to support either, so who knows?)

Also from the This Makes No Sense file: Jingles is there to kill Margaret. Margaret is flitting about that camp, talking to ghosts in the forest, flipping off all the lights, just generally strolling about. How is it that Jingles has encountered everybody except the one person who is not hiding or running from him?

Sarah is working on another Ryan Murphy show so I'm sure she would have done more of S9 if she could. That is another issue Ryan is doing 10 shows now. 

Evan is the one who I think just did not want to do this season.  He wanted to do something else?  Which he is.  Maybe not have to work with his ex?  

I do think some fans bolted because Evan and Sarah are both not on. 

I have no problem with a cast switch it is who he casted that is the issue. I do not get his fascination with Emma.  Billie I love because of her family but she is limited.   Some of the new people act like they walked off a production of a high school play. 

The characters are not very rootable. I understand how characters act on a slasher movie but the movie is over after 1hr and 35 minutes. 

[sashayshante]

9 minutes ago, ShadowHunter said:

I do not get his fascination with Emma. 

It takes an insane amount of hubris to repeatedly cast someone charged with battery (Roberts) in this climate and think you don't have to answer for it. I don't care if Peters dropped the charges. She gave him a bloody nose and bit his face. The stories about her being a raging bitch have swirled almost since her career started.

I'm genuinely waiting for the Ryan Murphy takedown, because it's coming.

[Simba122504]

7 hours ago, sashayshante said:

I said the same thing in another forum. This season should have been called American Horror Story: Unemployment since the majority of the cast's entire career is dependent upon Ryan Murphy writing them into one of his shows. The more we learn about Donna Chambers, the more I'm convinced she's this season's Dinah Stevens: character with no real purpose to the plot but given a role because she's friends with Murphy. in fact, many of these characters feel like they were intended for someone else - Burke the porn Daddy even looked like Cheyenne Jackson.   Cook seems like a role meant for Kathy Bates. Age-wise, Paulson was a much closer fit to Margaret than Grossman. Trevor has Peters written all over him. Either they all hard-passed this season or Murphy didn't invite them back.

I can remember Murphy giving an interview right after he got his star on the walk of fame. He said he was going to share the theme for the upcoming AHS season with the cast at some after party they were having. He knew back in late 2018 he was going to shoot this camp season. And I was today years old when I made the connection between this season and Lourde, Grossman, Roberts and Fern appearing at this year's Met Gala with Murphy where the theme was "camp."

I don't think Ramirez will turn out to be Ramirez because of what you said: he has a real-life timeline. (But then, Murphy had no problem implying Gianni Versace has HIV and one of Cunanan's victims tried to kill himself despite there being not one shred of evidence to support either, so who knows?)

Also from the This Makes No Sense file: Jingles is there to kill Margaret. Margaret is flitting about that camp, talking to ghosts in the forest, flipping off all the lights, just generally strolling about. How is it that Jingles has encountered everybody except the one person who is not hiding or running from him?

I think next year is supposed to be the final season because Murphy said he wanted 10 seasons. It will be finally put out of its misery. I’m not trying to be nasty but any series including anthologies that goes pass a certain amount of seasons becomes trash because writers run out of ideas and the series becomes a shell of its former self. So when it finally ends, it doesn’t go out on top. It just goes out. 😂

[tennisgurl]

Well we ARE certainly getting some twists now! I dont know if I am super riveted in the plot/characters but I am actually interested to see what is going on at least. Nurse Rita not actually being Nurse Rita and really being some deranged shrink who let Jingles out in the first place to observe him killing people, and Montana working with Richard Ramirez are both good twists, and I feel like everyone is going to have some crazy dark past or twist as to who they really are by the end of this! 

I suspect that Montana is connected to Brooks fiance, and thats why she wants Brooke dead. And while Ray might be dead (the asshole selfish coward that he is) I dont think he is gone forever, considering we already have the one ghost running around! Now maybe he will come back as a ghost!

RIP Real Nurse Rita, what an awful way to go. You know, I would think that maybe Mr. Jingles could be pretty easily defeated if they really went for it. I mean, yeah he is a decently big dude with a big ass knife, but he is just a guy, presumably he could be hurt or killed, he isnt some kind of supernatural entity as far as we know. He isnt even all that fast or into killing people! He just kind of ambles around and stabs people like he is thinking "well I guess I gotta kill these idiots, blah blah blah I gotta get m groceries next."  

[Mattipoo]

On 10/5/2019 at 10:22 AM, ShadowHunter said:

I said the same thing in another forum. This season should have been called American Horror Story: Unemployment since the majority of the cast's entire career is dependent upon Ryan Murphy writing them into one of his shows. The more we learn about Donna Chambers, the more I'm convinced she's this season's Dinah Stevens: character with no real purpose to the plot but given a role because she's friends with Murphy. in fact, many of these characters feel like they were intended for someone else - Burke the porn Daddy even looked like Cheyenne Jackson.   Cook seems like a role meant for Kathy Bates. Age-wise, Paulson was a much closer fit to Margaret than Grossman. Trevor has Peters written all over him. Either they all hard-passed this season or Murphy didn't invite them back.

Come to think of it, I can definitely see Sarah Paulson as Margaret, Kathy Bates as Chef Bertie, Evan Peters as Xavier, Billie Eichner as Trevor, and Adina Porter as Nurse Rita/Donna Chambers, among others. Perhaps they were all too expensive to invite back for this super low-budget season, now that Ryan Murphy is on to bigger and better things at Netflix.

[sashayshante]

I find it very curious that Cody Fern hasn't posted once about 1984 other than the cast announcement months ago. In fact, he's barely posted at all. He did the same thing with HOC and he was very public about how disappointed he was with that experience. He hasn't done an ounce of promotion for this season. Every other cast member has been posting behind the scenes stuff. Nothing from Fern. That's weird.

I'm now starting to wonder if people refused to come back.

[Bali]

On 10/5/2019 at 2:40 AM, Simba122504 said:

Many seasons have been shitty but it’s telling when many regular cast members turned this one down. There’s no plot or logical reasoning behind anything that’s happening onscreen. And wasn’t Ray in medical school? His friend falls down the stairs and he just assumes he’s dead even though his body is still doing not dead things? Didn’t check anything? I mean once he would have been admitted to the hospital and he most likely was going to make it. And the night stalker plot is still dumb and in this fictional universe he won’t actually become the infamous night stalker because his actions won’t match up with his actions in the real world. He killed a 9 year old in the spring of ‘84, another in the summer and more in ‘85 until he was captured in the summer of ‘85. He wasn’t ain’t no damn Camp Redwood that’s for sure. lol So his actual crimes won’t actually happen because none of his actions in this fictional universe will match with his actual actions in the real world. Richard Ramírez won’t become any damn body in this universe. 

I thought Ray was in college, but not med school yet. Also, "The dude's got serious issues, Man."

I am convinced that we were led to believe this is the Night Stalker. But in 1984, no one knew who this guy was, so I think he's an imposter that is there to kill Blair for a different reason. 

[Chaos Theory]

I honestly like that the AHS is built on the ability to switch it up a lot.   I hated when people said they would stop watching when Jessica Lange left.  Like the show was just her show.  For me AHS is the best kind of ensemble where it isn’t put entirely on any one actors shoulders.   Of course there are some seasons that are better then others.   Story wise Asylum,  Murder House and Cult are my favorites but I always thought Hotel was the most fun to watch and 1984 is starting to look like it is heading somewhere between.   Fun but maybe a good story somewhere in there somewhere.

[Ohiopirate02]

I might be in the minority here, but I am enjoying Angelica Ross in this.  I liked her on Pose and was sad to see her character's end on that show.  

[Lady Iris]

Any thoughts on why Mr. Jingles let the guy who had his mask on go without doing anything to him?

[iMonrey]

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 I’m not trying to be nasty but any series including anthologies that goes pass a certain amount of seasons becomes trash because writers run out of ideas and the series becomes a shell of its former self. So when it finally ends, it doesn’t go out on top. It just goes out. 

See: The Walking Dead. What's sad is when a show just doesn't know how bad it's gotten.

[sashayshante]

2 hours ago, Lady Iris said:

Any thoughts on why Mr. Jingles let the guy who had his mask on go without doing anything to him?

I think he found him too pathetic to kill.

[AnimeMania]

5 hours ago, Lady Iris said:

Any thoughts on why Mr. Jingles let the guy who had his mask on go without doing anything to him?

Maybe he can only kill people who are scared or screaming.

[qtpye]

On 10/5/2019 at 5:18 PM, tennisgurl said:

Well we ARE certainly getting some twists now! I dont know if I am super riveted in the plot/characters but I am actually interested to see what is going on at least. Nurse Rita not actually being Nurse Rita and really being some deranged shrink who let Jingles out in the first place to observe him killing people, and Montana working with Richard Ramirez are both good twists, and I feel like everyone is going to have some crazy dark past or twist as to who they really are by the end of this! 

I suspect that Montana is connected to Brooks fiance, and thats why she wants Brooke dead. And while Ray might be dead (the asshole selfish coward that he is) I dont think he is gone forever, considering we already have the one ghost running around! Now maybe he will come back as a ghost!

RIP Real Nurse Rita, what an awful way to go. You know, I would think that maybe Mr. Jingles could be pretty easily defeated if they really went for it. I mean, yeah he is a decently big dude with a big ass knife, but he is just a guy, presumably he could be hurt or killed, he isnt some kind of supernatural entity as far as we know. He isnt even all that fast or into killing people! He just kind of ambles around and stabs people like he is thinking "well I guess I gotta kill these idiots, blah blah blah I gotta get m groceries next."  

Particularly if you consider how physically fit most of them are supposed to be.

[Sile]

On 10/4/2019 at 11:20 AM, iMonrey said:

On another note . . . what kind of name is Mr. Jingles for a serial killer? That doesn't exactly strike fear in the hearts of man. Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dalmer, The Zodiac Killer, the Night Stalker and . . . Mr. Jingles? Seriously?

It's pretty much impossible for me to find him scary or creepy because all I can do is think about the mouse from The Green Mile and be amused.

[methodwriter85]

On 10/3/2019 at 2:39 PM, JakeyJokes said:

I’m a true crime junkie, so I liked the scene with Donna and Jingles at the asylum, as it did bring up prominent theories of why there were so many damn serial killers in the ‘70s (Vietnam and the way men were treated when they returned, high fructose corn syrup). Donna’s motivations are a little too Batman villain for me right now, though.

I'm also a true crime junkie and it really interesting to ponder why there seemed to be so many serial killers during the 70's and 80's.

Dreama Walker (I'd recognize those distinctive eyes anywhere) was a real hoot in that big 80's perm,

[Black Knight]

Dreama Walker! I just binge-watched all of Don't Trust the B- in Apartment 23 last month, so I love me some Dreama. Of course, this time I knew not to get excited when I saw her name come up in the credits. But then it was revealed Donna didn't kill her, and I got excited...and she died thirty seconds later.

Still, she would be great to add to the AHS stable, so, maybe fingers crossed for later.

I really don't think that the theme has anything to do with a lot of the AHS regulars not here. They did Murder House and/or Roanoke, why would they turn up their noses at this concept? I think it's as simple as that this is a season that calls for a younger cast. They got John Carroll Lynch for the one older role of real note.

Heh, here I was so suspicious of Brooke and Margaret (and I am still suspicious of them), and it's the other two women who do heel turns! I'm having a lot of fun binge-watching this, and maybe this season works better as a binge-watch.

When Ray was saying that three people could get away or whatever that was, and then he ran smack into Richard Ramirez, Rita/Donna said exactly what I was thinking at that moment. That was a great death he had later.

I've wondered if Mr. Jingles was framed for the original deaths, by Margaret, and when he mentioned to Donna that he doesn't remember doing it, that made me more suspicious. Buuuuuuuuut we've also seen him kill a bunch of people, so I can't really feel sorry for him. You certainly know what exactly what you're doing this time, dude, and you've also demonstrated that you have the ability to choose not to kill.

I loved when Trevor did the smart thing and shoved Mr. Jingles into the pit, because so often in horror, as we all know, characters don't take advantage of the opportunities they have. Of course, I had completely forgotten that there was still the fake Mr. Jingles wandering around, and of course, that turned out to be who it was.

Looking back, Montana targeted Brooke right from the start. I like the theory posted here that she has a connection to one of the people killed at Brooke's wedding. We know that she assumed that Brooke did bang the groomsman; she said as much after Brooke told her the story. And although Brooke has denied it, I doubt Montana believes it even now. I don't really believe it either. There was no one more appropriate Brooke could have asked to stay the night with her? She couldn't have stayed at her parents' place? Why did Brooke have such night terrors in the first place?

On to the next!