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I do wonder if Bill will spill the beans. I think he kind of likes things the way they are now (despite his months ago promise to Liam to help him out with the Hope/Wyatt situation). He's never really wanted Liam with Hope. But, with Steffy gone and Liam REALLY fed up with him, he agreed to play nice. I think he wants Wyatt and Liam to get along, so throwing the Liam/Hope/Wyatt triangle into round 57 wouldn't help. I wouldn't put it past him to say "hey, things are in a good place now, why rock the boat?" while telling himself that this isn't him meddling or keeping Liam and Hope apart. This was all Quinn's doing. As for why Quinn told him. I think that the first answer is a simple "bitch crazy." But, I think that in that crazy, she thinks that she and Bill are a lot alike, and Bill's certainly pulled his own shit, so he'd understand that she would do something underhanded for her son. She likely even thinks that he'd find what she did intriguing. And since her dream is that she, Wyatt, and Bill are going to be a family, she sees telling him as the two of them being in on it together for their son.

I don't think he's tanked a damn thing. I hate Patrick now, and the writing for him has been absolute shit, but I love JT. I know some people think he tanked the Patrina stuff, but I think he played who Patrick would reasonably be at that point in his life. He'd lost his wife, but he had to soldier on for his daughter. He had this video of Robin urging him to find someone new, someone essentially just like Sabrina, and he liked her, so he thought he was supposed to move forward and marry her. But it wasn't the love he had with Robin, and a part of him had died along with her. JT did a good job trying to keep that lost, partially dead inside aspect of Patrick in play all the time.

That's basically it. Going with Sabrina's point of view lets him think it's totally fine to fuck Sam without sharing any of that silly Jason stuff with her. If he sticks with the idea that Victor might be responsible, he'll have to share what's going on there with Sam, and that will really put a crimp in his getting laid. So Sabrina's point of view makes his life easier. He can continue blaming Robin and doing whatever the hell he wants with Sam.

So when Liam first showed up, and Ivy had this whole "You needed a break, so I brought Australia to you" thing going on, I thought "yeesh! Slow down, girl!" But, of course, by the end of the episode, Liam's kissing her telling her their night isn't over yet. He really is a "love the one you're with" kind of guy. And she really looked like Steffy today. (Which I suspect is making it easier for Liam to rebound right to her. It's familiar.)

Am I the only one who thinks that Brooke wouldn't be that surprised that Hope said she wasn't like her? Given Brooke's history, she'd probably prefer that Hope not be like her in a lot of ways. And it's not like she doesn't know that Hope has disapproved of some of the stuff she's done. It might sting a little, but you'd think she'd expect and accept it at this point. Am I the only one who thinks that Brooke wouldn't be that surprised that Hope said she wasn't like her? Given Brooke's history, she'd probably prefer that Hope not be like her in a lot of ways. And it's not like she doesn't know that Hope has disapproved of some of the stuff she's done. It might sting a little, but you'd think she'd expect and accept it at this point.

Silas. I can just do a lot of "what the hell is wrong with you? Open your eyes, man!" and smacking him. I think Dr. O wouldn't let me get away with smacking her. You're stuck in a room for 2 hours and have to listen (really listen) to a character the whole time. Would you rather it be Sonny or Nina?

It would be one thing if they showed us Hope and Deacon developing a relationship now that he's in town. But to have her just jump into calling him "Dad" and acting like there is some existing relationship is just weird.

I'm in, but likely not for the reasons you are. They'd make for some damn fine FFing. Stefan would never.

It was like Steffy sent her a handbook.

And as someone who hates the whole "those damn Logans!" thing Ridge's brats (and Taylor) were constantly spouting, I loved that when Ivy played that card, Hope turned it around and said that Ivy was hired to work under Hope's name. (Of course, whether Hope should have a line is another story, but she does, so...) I had a tiny hint that one of two things is going to happen with Ridge/Caroline. Either he's going to start obsessing over her because she's the only person who can help him draw again, or Katie is going to decide that, because he can only draw with her, Caroline is a threat to her sad little ribbon ring, and she's going to go bat crap trying to thwart what she thinks is a budding relationship. Either way, it should be unintentionally hilarious. Although I am counting on LG to intentionally add some hilarity, because she's awesome that way.

I feel ashamed, but I kind of love bitchy Hope. Seriously. That is the most fun I've had watching Hope ever. Stay bitchy, Hope. Please.

Sigh... I love Billy Miller, but I wouldn't wish this regime on him for anything. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he can make whatever crap is written for him entertaining. I'm still so pissed they ruined AJ's return. BM and SK would have been amazing together.

I would so watch that show!

I think the "prize" is getting to famewhore in "paradise" through to the bitter end of the season (and whatever "relationship" you end up with).

Siobhan was the worst. What a hot mess of a character. It's like they gave a picture of her and a sample of her voice to 100 different writers, and they each wrote exactly one episode she was in, with zero input from the other writers. I liked Nadine, if only for that whole throwing shit at TumorGhostEmily scene.

I think it might have helped mix things up a bit more if, in addition to the roses handed out during the night, the members of the opposite sex collectively voted on one person to stay around (so only one person goes home). That way there would always be someone who wasn't already surgically attached to someone else.

Because then she wouldn't be on TV. That's the main goal here for at least 90 percent of them. I think Graham's taken a look around and realized he's not interested in anyone else there, so he's riding this out to hang out with some friends. He doesn't want to be the epicenter of drama, so he's not going to reject AshLee in any way (either by giving someone else a rose or turning a rose down from her). I do appreciate, at least, that he seems intent on not sleeping with her. Sarah pissed me off last night. For whatever reason, I've thought she and Robert were kind of cute. But that whole "I'm going to dump him" thing really soured me on her.

I agree. Why would you want to I don't get this.

Yep, the wedding night scene between Liz and GV's Lucky was hot. I'm not buying that the skeevy "I feel sick to my stomach for having touched him" sex she was having with Nik was a pimple on that night's ass.

Stallworth missed a season as suspension for that case. And in reading up more on it, since my memory was foggy, it sounds like the reason the court system went light on him was because it would have been damn near impossible for anyone, sober or drunk, to not hit that guy. He darted out in front of the car because he was running late to catch the bus, and the evidence showed that DS hit his brakes as soon as the guy did that, but it was too late. (Although I will say I didn't see anything about whether he was driving too fast and that contributed as well). I'd certainly rather see Vick get the banned for life designation than Stallworth. And I loathe drunk drivers, with a passion, still have nerve damage in my neck and shoulder from the drunk who hit me when I was 16, but I think that someone who decides to beat the crap out of his significant other is a far, far bigger dirtbag.

Yeah, if I get both Scott AND Helena not realizing this guy isn't Luke, I'm going to be pissed. Yeah, if I get both Scott AND Helena not realizing this guy isn't Luke, I'm going to be pissed.

When are they willing to tolerate murder?

I personally don't think the NFL should tolerate any crime. And I don't believe the NFL looks the other way on any of those issues, either. So why shouldn't they also draw a line on men assaulting the women in their lives?

Which makes no sense (not your post,but what Nik is arguing). Yes, Liz was dating AJ (and slept with him), but she wasn't sleeping with AJ while claiming she wanted to be with Nik. She may have had feelings for Nik then, but she had no intention of acting on them and did not want to be in a relationship with him at that point in time. She didn't owe it to Nik to be with him (or not be with anyone else) just because he had feelings for her and was pursuing her. I'd think it was equally shitty on Liz's part if, when she slept with AJ, she had first decided that she was going to go for a relationship with Nik, then showed up on his doorstep the next day saying "I choose you, but I threw AJ a goodbye boink last night, because I have feelings for him, too, and didn't want to turn down the chance to have sex with him before committing to you." And, hey, Nik doesn't owe it to her now to be in a relationship with her (or not sleep with Britt) just because Liz has feelings for him. But, at the same time, he has to accept that his actions have consequences. And, if he truly wanted to start a relationship with Liz, he should have turned down Britt's pathetic "hey, one for the road?" proposition. It's such a dick move on Nik's part to be like "you just want to find reasons not to be with me," like this is some tiny little annoying habit Nik has that she's nitpicking him about. But, hey, what can we expect from the guy who cheated on the "love of his life" because she didn't get over being sexually assaulted by his doppelganger fast enough for his liking? Honestly, Nik's not much better than Sonny when it comes to women. Regardless of who the two characters are in the story, in general, I would say that, if a guy can't say "no" to another woman when he's practically on his way out the door to tell you he wants to be in a relationship with you, then the odds aren't great that you're going to get a guy who remains faithful when you're in a relationship with him. What woman wouldn't be pissed off at that?

Oops! How did I skip Dante?