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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. bosses on those shocking LMD twists NATALIE ABRAMS FEBRUARY 21, 2017 AT 11:00PM EST http://ew.com/tv/2017/02/21/agents-shield-hydra-ward-return/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

Moved to Spoilers thread.

This guy has been anti-Olicity (and also anti-Felicity, I believe), so it's interesting to read his opinion on the New BC, although some of his comments are just laughably wrong (imo)... Dear Arrow, Stop Trying To Make Black Canary Happen BY CONNER SCHWERDTFEGER Feb. 21, 2017 http://www.cinemablend.com/television/1627350/dear-arrow-stop-trying-to-make-black-canary-happen

Arrow Round Table: Best Flashbacks Yet? Paul Dailly at February 21, 2017 3:00 pm. https://www.tvfanatic.com/2017/02/arrow-round-table-best-flashbacks-yet/

Arrow Review: “Spectre of the Gun” Nora Dominick Feb. 21, 2017 http://emertainmentmonthly.com/index.php/arrow-review-spectre-of-the-gun/

SUMMARY OF 514 SPOILERS: S5, Episode 14: The Sin-Eater -- Production code: 514. Shoot Dates: December 9, 2016 - January 5, 2017. Director: Mary Lambert. Writers: Barbara Bloom & Jenny Lynn. Airdate: February 22, 2017. (Dec. 12, 2016 MG tweet, page 50 of Spoilers thread) -- 514 synopsis: "CHINA WHITE, CUPID AND LIZA WARNER BREAK OUT OF PRISON — China White (guest star Kelly Hu), Cupid (guest star Amy Gumenick) and Liza Warner (guest star Rutina Wesley) break out of Iron Heights and head to Star City for revenge. Oliver (Stephen Amell) tries to bring in the newly formed girl gang but the ACU intervenes mid-fight. To his surprise, they are there to arrest the Green Arrow for the murder of Detective Malone. Meanwhile, Lance (Paul Blackthorne) feels responsible for the prison break after Warner tells him she heard about him working with Damien Darhk. Mary Lambert directed the episode written by Barbara Bloom & Jenny Lynn (#514). Original airdate 2/22/2017." (Feb. 3, 2017 SpoilerTV article, page 52 of Spoilers thread) -- 514 promo video posted. (514 promo video, page 53 of Spoilers thread) -- 514 producer's preview posted. (514 producer's preview video in CW_Arrow tweet, page 53 of Spoilers thread) -- 514 sneak peek posted, featuring Amanda Westfield. (514 sneak peek video in AccessHollywood article, page 53 of Spoilers thread) -- Another 514 sneak peek posted, featuring prison bus break. (514 sneak peek video in CW_Arrow tweet, page 53 of Spoilers thread) -- 514 promo pics posted. (TVLine article, page 53 of Spoilers thread) -- 514 dialogue tease: “A lot of firepower in this room. What’s going on?” (Arrowwriters tweet, page 53 of Spoilers thread) -- On how much longer before we get back to Prometheus' story, MG: "How’s next episode sound? ... You know, it’s funny. For me, 14 is this fulcrum where a lot of the little seeds that had been planted in the first half of the season start to come to fruition, and you start to realize that oh, Prometheus has been setting up a chess board and the episode ends, I think, with sort of the next key move in Prometheus’ grand plan." (Feb. 15, 2017 IGN article, page 53 of Spoilers thread) -- MG: "For me, [Episode] 14 is this fulcrum where a lot of the little seeds that have been planted in the first half of the season start to come to fruition and you start to realize, 'Oh, Prometheus has been setting up a chessboard.' And the episode ends with the next key move in Prometheus' grand plan." (Feb. 15, 2017 TVGuide article, page 53 of Spoilers thread, and Feb. 15, 2017 Entertainment Weekly article, page 1360 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- MG: "One of the things we went into Season 5 with the mindset of is Oliver's mayor, so without it turning into The West Wing, how are we going to find ways to have Oliver be active as mayor, and to everyone's surprise, be a good mayor, end up being a good mayor. And you'll start to see, actually - and this is true in next week's episode, in Episode 14 - Thea's gonna make a good case to Oliver, of all people, for all the things he's accomplished as mayor, and you start to see like, oh wait, in the first 13 episodes, he actually kind of did some stuff. And he's not done yet. Obviously, the season's not done yet. But we definitely went into the season with the goal of showing that Oliver is actually much better at this job than you might expect." (Feb. 15, 2017 TVGuide article, page 53 of Spoilers thread, and Feb. 15, 2017 Entertainment Weekly article, page 1360 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- MG: "There's some really terrific Oliver/Thea scenes in next week's episode and beyond. It's been so much fun to have her in the mayor's office and we've really been enjoying writing for them." (Feb. 15, 2017 TVGuide article, page 53 of Spoilers thread) -- MG promised “some really terrific Oliver/Thea scenes in next week’s episode [514] and beyond." (Feb. 17, 2017 TVLine article, page 53 of Spoilers thread) -- On whether we'll see the new gun control laws come into conflict with Team Arrow, MG: "Not the regulations specifically. Actually, in the very next episode [514] Team Arrow is going to come up against the police for a very different kind of reason." (Feb. 15, 2017 TVGuide and TVLine articles, page 53 of Spoilers thread) -- During 514, the police actually target the Green Arrow. On what Oliver is facing both as Green Arrow, but also as mayor, SA: "Well, it’s interesting what we have coming up. Oliver gets put into a situation where we’re effectively vilifying the Green Arrow with a lot of things that I’m not entirely sure that we can unpack, in terms of what people are accusing him of, what the mayor’s backing up and saying he did, because he doesn’t have a choice, and it’s a lot for Oliver to deal with as mayor. We actually get to focus on the task of governing Star City, and I’ve really been enjoying it. We’ve actually had multiple episodes where in one episode I’m simply not in the Arrow suit and then multiple episodes where I’m in it for a very, very short period of time, which is a departure for us. A lot of things that we’re doing this year feel like a departure for us, and I know that that has created certain elements of angst in the fan base. People like certain things, but you just have to do it. You have to constantly try new things as a television show." (Feb. 21, 2017 Entertainment Weekly article, page 53 of Spoilers thread and page 1373 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- YonkouProductions tweeted: "Impeach Mayor Queen." and ">You know you gotta get that new girl a codename. >Well, when she's ready I was considering Black Canary." (Feb. 20, 2017 YonkouProd tweets, page 53 of Spoilers thread) -- Twitter rumors: Tina/Dinah is given her costume by Felicity in 514 and they bond. Team Arrow finds out about Susan's investigation in 514, but Oliver doesn't. (Feb. 4, 2017 LeighAn and Chaser posts, page 1336 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- Fan tweeted: "5x14 Team knows about Susan. But does Oliver know the team knows since he's not there for the convo??." (Feb. 2, 2017 LuLuLemonLime83 tweet, page 1336 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- China White, Cupid and Liza Warner are essentially operating as an anti-Birds of Prey in 514. (Feb. 2, 2017 ComicBook article, page 1338 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- On Dec. 7, 2016, SA said that they're finishing up 513 and going into 514 "now." (Dec. 7, 2016 SA facebook video post, page 50 of Spoilers thread) -- On Dec. 8, 2016, papp tweeted: "Saw Kelly Hu was picked up by an #Arrow driver so looks like China White is back." (pursuit23 tweet, page 50 of Spoilers thread and page 1252 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- On Dec. 16, 2016, papp tweeted: "Emily Bett Rickards is working #Arrow today - Stephen Amell however is long gone on vacation ??." Papp also reported that EBR was also working with EK. (lemon_buzz tweet and Chaser post, page 1264 of Spoiler Discusison thread) -- On Dec. 17, 2016, fan reported that EBR just started following Josh Segarra, who plays Adrian Chase aka Vigilante, on instagram. (Chaser post, page 1264 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- On Jan. 3, 2017, Arrow Production Office tweeted that they were back at work. (ArrowProdOffice tweet, page 50 of Spoilers thread) -- On Jan. 5, 2017, Arrow Writers Room tweeted pic of snowy landscapes with comment: "Thanks to @RealSpeedWeed for sending us these behind-the-scenes shots while braving sub-zero temps tonight on location. #fakemoonlight #cold." (ArrowWritersRoom tweet, page 50 of Spoilers thread) -- On Jan. 5, 2017, Arrow Writers Room tweeted: "There are 150 people with a combined 2000 yrs of experience wrking outside 14 hrs (overnight) in sub-zero temps to make 4 min of TV." (ArrowWritersRoom tweet, page 51 of Spoilers thread) -- On Jan. 6, 2017, papp tweeted: "#Arrow is filming in studio today . Oh & for the handful of idiot KC fans (not KC fans just the idiot ones ) she's not filming #yvrshoots." Per papp, DR was filming, but not EBR or WH. He also said that EBR was not on set on Jan. 6 and that he didn't know if she was back in Vancouver yet. In response to fan who wondered when KC would be on LoT/Flash, papp tweeted: "Ya she hasnt of yet but who knows now that her movie is done." (pursuit23 tweets, page 51 of Spoilers thread) -- On Jan. 6-7, 2017, in response to fan who asked what was the last episode Carly Pope filmed for Arrow, papp tweeted: "just before Christmas break." In response to follow-up question of whether it was re-shoots or new scenes for 514, papp tweeted: "new scenes." In response to fan who asked if CP was done or not yet, papp tweeted: "she's not." (pursuit23 tweets, page 51 of Spoilers thread) -- On or about Jan. 6, 2017, Rutina Wesley, who played Lady Cop, was back in Vancouver, but it's unknown whether or not it was for Arrow. (rutina_wesley instagram post, page 51 of Spoilers thread and page 1290 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- On Jan. 7, 2016, Adrian Holmes tweeted b-t-s pics of himself with PB, SA and RG with comment: "Off to a great start with these blokes! #happynewyear #arrow @cw_arrow @officialrickg @paulblackthorne @stephenamell #nights #nospoilers." (adrianholmes tweet, page 51 of Spoilers thread) -- On Jan. 8, 2017, fan tweeted: "There are rumors about Cupid, China White and Lady Cop being part of [Felicity's] 'team.' Sort of a Dark Birds of Prey?" (oli_verdant tweet, page 1289 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- On Jan. 8, 2017, in response to question about whether China White would return to the Arrowverse, papp tweeted: "She actually just filmed an Arrow episode so that's gonna be good." (pursuit23 tweet, page 51 of Spoilers thread) -- On Jan. 8, 2017, papp tweeted: "Got #autographs earlier this week from #Arrow guest star & former #Supernatural guest Amy Gumenick who came back to finish an episode." (Canadagraphs tweet, page 51 of Spoilers thread) -- On Jan. 8, 2017, papp tweeted: "Saw Kelly Hu & Amy Gumenick wrap filming for #Arrow yesterday in Vancouver so that should be an interesting episode." (pursuit23 tweet, page 51 of Spoilers thread) -- On Jan. 9, 2017, in response to whether Rutina Wesley filmed for Arrow 'recently', papp tweeted: "She filmed with Kelly & Amy." (pursuit23 tweet, page 51 of Spoilers thread) -- On Feb. 1, 2017, when asked if EBR will have scenes with Kelly Hu or Amy Gumenick, papp tweeted: "she doesn't." (pursuit23 tweet, page 52 of Spoilers thread) -- On Feb. 20, 2017, YonkouProductions tweeted: "Impeach Mayor Queen." and ">You know you gotta get that new girl a codename. >Well, when she's ready I was considering Black Canary." (YonkouProd tweets, page 53 of Spoilers thread)

Bringing this link forward a page (this round will close on Thursday, Feb. 23 at 5 p.m. PT).

The doomsday soothsaying has already begun... 3 Reasons Season 6 Of ARROW Will Be Its Last Feb.19.17 – by Mark Cook http://lrmonline.com/news/opinion-top-3-reasons-arrow-season-6-will-be-its-last Season 6 'Arrow' Last One? The Ratings Are Down Compared to Other CW DC Shows Daniel Ketchum Feb. 19, 2017 http://www.inquisitr.com/3997092/season-6-arrow-last-one-the-ratings-are-down-compared-to-other-cw-dc-shows/ And for you Laurel fans... Arrow: How Laurel’s Mistreatment Disrespected Her Black Canary Legacy By Mae Abdulbaki on February 16, 2017 http://theyoungfolks.com/television/arrow-how-laurels-mistreatment-disrespected-her-black-canary-legacy/97350

‘Iron Fist’ is kind of reminding us of ‘Arrow’ LINDSAY MACDONALD FEBRUARY 21, 2017 http://screenertv.com/television/netflixs-iron-fist-things-in-common-with-arrow/

This is an interesting read (posting here for the Arrow mentions)... Letter to an Unknown Woman: From Lisa Berndle to Rebecca Bunch Ciara Wardlow Feb. 16, 2017 https://filmschoolrejects.com/letter-to-an-unknown-woman-from-lisa-berndle-to-rebecca-bunch-25216ba503d2#.2pwyug6dy

Arrow b-t-s music notes from composer Blake Neely...

^ ^ ^ For comparison: December 2016 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-12.html November 2016 Comic Book Sales Figures http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-11.html October 2016 Comic Book Sales Figures http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-10.html September 2016 Comic Book Sales Figures http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-09.html August 2016 Comic Book Sales Figures http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-08.html July 2016 Comic Book Sales Figures http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-07.html June 2016 Comic Book Sales Figures [REBIRTH] http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-06.html May 2016 Comic Book Sales Figures [RIGHT BEFORE REBIRTH] http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-05.html

Latest monthly sales figures posted... January 2017 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops Monday, February 20, 2017 http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2017/2017-01.html

Exhibit A has to be Billy Malone. We never learned how he and Felicity met or started dating, or anything at all about his character other than he was a good cop and a good guy (oh, we did learn that he hadn't dated anyone for awhile before Felicity). He was a plot point, period.

If you want an Arrow panel at Nerd HQ this year...

Don't know how reliable this is ... But I am starting to feel genuinely worried that TPTB are stupid enough to get rid of Felicity at the end of this season, so that next season they can have the team focused on Oliver, Tinah and Diggle, with Curtis providing tech support. The O/F chemistry so far surpasses anything else, that they almost have to remove Felicity in order for Oliver to have a believably serious romance with anyone else.

Unless JH knows something that we don't (like from future episodes shot but not yet aired) - or unless she is doing that own head canon thing that KC did. Arguably, WM lied - or at least misled - when she said: " I can definitely tell you that there's a way we're going to bring [Katie Cassidy/Laurel] back and she's going to be alive and well. And Flashpoint might have a little bit to do with that." (Oct. 2, 2016 TV Guide article, page 45 of Spoilers thread)

EEOC: Major Studios Failed To Hire Female Directors; Lawsuit Looms David Robb February 15, 2017 http://deadline.com/2017/02/hollywood-studios-female-directors-eeoc-investigation-1201912590

In future episodes, we learn that: Tinah went undercover with a criminal gang that was really into archery, so she became an expert archer. Tinah went undercover with a criminal gang that was really into flying, so she became an expert pilot. And so on. Really, it's an all-purpose device for whatever expertise the writers want her to possess.

I too think that we're stuck with Curtis, Wild Dog and Tinah through to next season. The EPs can't seem to come up with a decent storyline for Thea that doesn't involve putting her life at risk and having her brother save her. I can't imagine that WH is happy with her limited role on Arrow. She deserves a better gig. FYI: This weekend I talked about Arrow with a close friend, who I would classify as part of the 'general audience' viewership. She's watched every season but usually not live; she'll record and watch stored episodes when she gets a chance. (She now watches Lethal Weapon live.) In between episodes, she pays no attention whatsoever to Arrow and doesn't read any Arrow news or spoilers. She's also never read the comics. She doesn't ship anyone, not even Oliver & Felicity. I found her input interesting - she's actually enjoying this season of Arrow, although she didn't like the way the team split up at the end of last season and the beginning of this season. She thinks the show is better now that Diggle is back with the team. She likes Dinah because she's "so much better than Laurel" and doesn't see anything romantic in her interactions with Oliver. She liked Rory and is 'meh' on Wild Dog. Also - and this comment surprised me (since I never said it to her) - she can't see the show getting rid of Felicity because "Felicity is the heart of the team" and Curtis just "doesn't bring the same level that Felicity does." So even someone who never reads articles, fan forums or social media posts about Arrow recognizes the importance of Felicity to the show.

Arrow and the revolving door of team members this season by Leah Smith Feb. 17, 2017 http://fansided.com/2017/02/17/arrow-season-5-revolving-door-of-team-members/

Why Didn't Arrow's Felicity Take a Stand? Too Soon for Election Horror? Five-0 Mulls 4-Way? And More Qs! Vlada Gelman, Michael Ausiello, Matt Webb Mitovich, Kimberly Roots, Dave Nemetz, Andy Swift, Ryan Schwartz and Charlie Mason February 17, 2017 http://tvline.com/2017/02/17/arrow-gun-control-episode-felicity-tv-questions-answers/