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as much as I want caity on arrow, I feel like a spinoff where she is a lead character with elements of grey would be interesting. Season 1 arrow but with Sara's journey. No one I know actually likes KC or cares for Laurel so no one I know would tune in for her story on the spinoff. I want to see Sara become a assassin. Haven't seen flash episodes with victor garber yet. But I can see the potential of the characters interacting. Ray, do gooder hero having to find a way to work with Sara who is as grey as they come, haunted by her life. I its oliver and Felicity reversed. VG will lend some gravitas and cap cold will be a fun Villian!

Everything about the interview canon KC has said never matched the show. I was always confused by "I have known forever. I'm your best friend" The timeline doesn't fit. Sarah wasn't old enough to meet oliver at a party. Meaning LL and OQ only met at earliest 18 yrs old. How old was OQ at gambit sinking time?

On Just Jared website, I thought I saw Felicity in 1980s clothes. They referred to her being on Flash. Any info on this anywhere? Which episode is that?

Here is a crazy thought. Any thoughts on whether Oliver is on a mental island compared to Original Team Arrow - on PURPOSE. Like the writers have a plan on this craziness. Diggle has faded into the background (presence-wise) on purpose, Felicity is trying to diversify her vigilante portfolio (because ANGST). Maybe that's his lesson. He's trying to justify two vendettas (Ra's and Merlin) and it costs him Digg and Felicity. At this point, I like the idea of my Girl Felicity going to Flash more. she is valued (screen presence wise) a lot more over there. Once the Laurel love is done, she can come back and take over.

Agree with all of you about the Olicity scene being nothing more than just "throwing the viewers" an olicity bone. In the narrative, A DEAD PERSON accessed the system. Felicity being Felicity could have dragged security up there, just being a total IT nerd. IT people put in all hours for projects so it would have made sense narratively. IT NERD DROPPING A FILE OFF ON MOIRA's DESK after hours - DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. Geez writers - can you please just try a little more? Security could have done their rounds and scoffed at Felicity and walked over to the elevators and waited for her to escort her back to IT floor. Leaving Felicity to walk to Moira's desk, consider hacking Moira's computer to check if everything was ok and deciding against it, babbling and walking to the elevators. done and done. I wanted to like the olicity scene but it didn't feel genuine at all.

Anyone have any details on flash flashback where Felicity is wearing 1980s jeans?

lol! Let's do it! solidarity in times of arrow strife!!

This April I'm going to the Calgary con. My first con ever! I'm hoping it will be fun!

Does anyone know Caity Lotz is up to these days?

Reading everyone's comments, I'm passing on this episode. Thanks to everyone who took one for the team (team "wtf is happening" arrow). Your comments are entertaining and a salve to the disappointment of this show!

Well like adding more to the Felicity role, they extended pacy as endgame. But even in the last hour of the show, Dawson was all " we are soulmates". I get reminders of that stupid soulmate shit every time Laurel says to oliver " I know you better than anyone" My reaction is always " Uhm no... Loneytunes lance, you do not know him better than anyone". The writers keep having LL saying stuff like that, just like Dawson and the soulmate schtik.

I forgot about argus and the present day son. Also doesn't Slade have a son or a daughter. Nyssa has sisters. I hated lana so I tuned out from smallville season one, came back for Jensen and tuned out. Dawson's creek soulmates is another example of writers not adjusting their original game plan after show begins. Arrow's Felicity and Veronica Mars' Logan are the only ones I can think of in recent memory that have adjusted their vision to suit what is working.

I didn't think too much of Felicity telling oliver she was disappointed for choosing to involve himself with Merlin, 60 seconds after reunion. Team arrow/lair, one can imagine is a high octane work environment. Everyone's decisions impacts lives, not just them but others, innocents, etc. The trust has already been earned amongst the three that it shouldn't matter when Felicity charged at oliver for being a disappointment. 2.5yrs ago, oliver was actively killing men like Merlin. To now become his partner ... Is a disgusting choice, knowing what he Did and why. I'm on Felicity's side. Digg always steps back before making a move. He is equally invested in Oliver's mission and soul as Felicity but Felicity is a lot more invested in olivers heart. I thought that last scene was the only scene that made real sense.

I feel like this episode wasted all the important character beats. Hey writers- don't care about Ted grant, should have used those precious seconds as a proper reunion between team arrow. It was all played so casual. Too casual for my liking. Malcolm never showed remorse about the man he became but suddenly we care he killed the wrong person. What about all the people he has killed after. Pfft. I love me some JB but this shite is cray cray. Was I supposed to feel something when oliver was giving his speech to the crowd and Laurel was hiding and looking all ... Not sure what look she was going for.. Relief, admiration, envy, want for an old lover...Pfft. Digg. He is a solider, natural born leader and strategist. I sort of understood why he was in the lair, telling arsenal And fauxnary what to do while Felicity had quit last episodes. But she was there in the lair, watching everyone's back so why wasnt he leading the charge in the fight? What a waste. Felicity was a BAMF sitting in the chair, throwing shade at Merlin. But the suspension of belief required of the audience that IT girl did not notice the camera AT EYE LEVEL and the likelihood of her sweeping for third party signals, bugs etc in the lair since everyone and their dog knows where they are is just stupid. Sara.. Oh yeah she's still dead. Pity Oliver has a habit of taking advice quite literally. He took Tatsu's advice about student and teacher literally and thought only of Merlin. NYSSA and Masau are also students and would have made for a much more compelling story. Why are the writers always so obvious? As frustrating as this episode was, I sort of enjoyed it if I stopped thinking about everything and just watched my fave characters get shit done.

Now I'm spitballing but watching season 2a made me realize that the writers could have fixed Laurel (imo) quite easily and in thirty seconds of the first S2 episode. LL losing tommy, decided to hit the streets as a cop. Every scene she had in season 2 could have been better if she was a beat cop that used excessive violence to settle scores and was also alcoholic. Sarah comes back, LL is pissed that sarah brought danger into their lives, kicks her out. On and on. Instead of Lazarus pit or some other shenanigans, Slade saved Tommy using mirakuru (which made him insane) and then it would Turn Laurel against oliver becuz of Tommy love (in my mind would have worked better, though you do make a great point about the imbalance of men coming back and not women). THEA goes with the merlins. Now season 3 could have been about sara and oliver learning to be full heros, going back to what made season2a great (great episodic crime fighting with team arrow expanded). Meanwhile merlins plus LL/man hunter are training up to fight Ra's al Ghul. Season 2b could have been about merlins putting team arrow in the cross hairs of the league and then becuz of THEA, team arrow is forced to split up. Blah blah angst. Someone needs to write this fanfic so I have something to hang on towhen arrow impodes! Lol

I broke down and watched the last three episodes and then watched season 2a. So I now have a question. Back in the day, EPs said there is a five year story arc. They have burnt thru a lot in 2.5 yrs. Malcolm Merlin/ dark archer, death stroke, if they burn thru Ra's al Ghul. Who's left? In terms of major foils for green arrow. I would expect that Tommy does come back, it makes sense. They keep coming back to that tripe of first/second generation of the green arrow, death stroke, canary (sniff. Damn you Laurel!) So that leaves Tommy as dark archer #2, NYSSA as the new demon, who else... Chiny11, I'd quit the show I think. Laurel is too insufferable. I ffwd all her scenes but I cannot stand the thought of Ll/OQ together. Yuk

I like Team Arrow so I watched upto Climb, skipping all Laurel episodes. I subscribed to ITunes so no way, was I going to give Apple or Arrow my $$ for shite plotlines. My personal rebellion against killing Sara to make LL relevant. lol. I'm bitter because if they had kept Sara, Nyssa would be in the show more. I would see flashbacks of Sara and Ollie surviving in their personal hells - all tied into present day Malcolm Merlyn/Thea villain storyline. Team Arrow, plus Roy would be in direct conflict with Nyssa/Sara over how to handle the Merlyns. I'm bitter because if they had kept Sara, and LL wanted to be a hero just like her superfriends, then we could have finally had a hero who didn't come from a negative place. As much as I dislike LL, I would not have minded that. LL having to work her ass off to prove herself worthy (because she was not a genius hacker, solider, spy, assassin or a survivor of five years of hell). This season could have been about what defines a hero. What made you strong originally or what inspires you to fight? Oliver (Felicity) Sara (Sin), etc etc. lol - I think I may need to start writing fan fic..

HAhahaha! Sakura. this just made my day. I haven't watched any eps since the Climb because everything I'm reading is making me nervous. But wow! how did the writers think we (the audience) would be interested in watching a bumbling, buffoonish heroette when we had a kick ass HERO. so pathetic! and so delusional! How is that a compelling story that I want to watch. Arrow does have a blind spot with Laurel. And so do the writers.

Loving this conversation too! Yes, Kymmi - I would agree with you. Felicity saw through him and his fakeness. He had to be true otherwise she wouldn't trust him. With Diggle, He convinced the solider to accept a mission for good. For Felicity, he had to convince her that he was a good person over and over again before she believed in his heroism. I think that's why this relationship has so much support. It started from innocence and friendship and was never tainted by anything. Oliver is the obstacle this season and last season because the one thing he knows he cannot save her from is himself. He very clearly sees that now.

I'm hanging onto this show with a threadbare grip. the ultimate dealbreaker would be LL worming her way back into Oliver's personal life. man, it's all very single-white-femaleish.

Oh man, everything I disliked about her costume is all her. hilarious! It's comforting that the EPs did not like it at first. at least that's something.

So I tried to stay away from all things arrow over the winter holiday because it can't be any worse. And i was gettin tired of being bitter. But I couldn't stay away. I'm back with some bitterness. "Killing" the main hero of the show as mid season cliffhanger when he has already come back from the dead is just lazy. What the hell kind of story are these writers telling? Can someone please tell me? I'll be thankful if I can understand it. Never have I loved a show not because of what I see onscreen but because of the potential greatness of what could be (exception season 2a and 1b for its team arrow beginnings). But I honestly have no idea what kind of show I'm watching. It's not episodic, monster of the week because there is too much long arching themes. It's not a series arc because it's too jumpy, threads dropped and no followthru. I cannot understand what the point of S3 is supposed to be. Is it about identites this season? Felicity balancing both lives. Diggle becoming a father while balancing his night activities. Roy finding his heroic nature, moving away from being just a student, oliver choosing his alter ego and struggling to define oliver Queen, Laurel apparently choosing to live in the shadow of a dead sister and become her alter ego instead of actually being anything herself. I'm fine with the story not going where I think it should because I'm the audience but is it too much to ask for it to make sense?!

Yeah agree with the list. that is not a flattering dress. Kinda surprised. Isn't she a huge Blake lively wannabe fashionista type?

Ok! I liked it and HATED it! Psst writers! What the hell are you smoking! I called Thea as the killer because angst and common link among multiple characters. What a waste because we did not see Roy suddenly overcome with regret that he managed to protect Thea from nothing despite all his lies and Oliver too on that point! Laurel .. Who was all ragey and murdery. Suddenly conflicted because one pseudo sister killed her sister. Where is the line in forgiveness. There was a well of bitterness to tap and strengthen the character and making the character learn that sometimes the bad guys are not always bad guys. Whether I want to see the journey. Meh but what a waste of opportunity. R's al Ghul and Oliver's battle! What a dumb ass ending. After the greatness (ymmv) of the crossovers, they wasted it. If 'Oliver' killed Nysaa's beloved, then the league's swift and brutal justice should have been taking Oliver's beloved. That would have explained why we are suddenly seeing olicity at this level. Oliver going to the mountain and seeing Nysaa and her telling him THAT, having a brutal fight and with no winner. Going back to the lair and finding Felicity gone. That's a great cliffhanger! And what a setup! All the characters have a common goal. What a fucking waste. I love this show but what a waste. Yeah writers! Oliver is dead and is going to stay dead. Yawn!

Seriously, David does not seem very smart. I am losing faith that this guy actually knows why he was in prison. Revenge better end with a bang. Victoria publicly shamed for her "I'm the wronged woman, victimized by Conrad, blah blah" when she actively destroyed Emanda. Conrad was no part of that. what a delusional tool. I'm liking the chemistry between Daniel and Emily. I'm okay with Emily realizing that she worshipped a dad that never existed and has devoted her life to right a wrong for a fool dad. Basically learn the same lesson that Daniel is learning..parents are not always the noble good people you wish them to be. I am ok with Daniel and Emily putting the BS aside and being frenemies for all of prosperity.