GirlWednesday

Not justifying what Adalind did, because that was very old school soapy. If she gets pregnant again, I'm out. Thanks show but no thanks. Honestly I found the baby snatch from a newborn mother in bad taste. No one thought about the mother and made this decision for her. Heros make difficult decisions but no one even acknowledged that what they did was ethically wrong. It was "it's Adalind so we are surprised she cares". In that moment, I questioned whether Grimms had the right to make these decisions, what gave them the right and the arrogance of it all. Sean should have known better. Didn't his mother protect him from the royals when he was a child? Please correct me if I'm wrong in it. I liked the character of Adalind and the side story of Sean/Adalind. Guess we'll see what happens next year.

The first character I first fell in love with: Felicity. Because Oliver was a cray-cray (though those ABS were very nice). The character I never expected to love as much as I do now: Sarah. When Sarah got introduced, I saw it as a threat to importance of felicity. But I'm happy with the balance of relationships the writers have tried to maintain. Though season 2.5 needed more team arrow and less LL. Nothing against Sarah. I heart her now. The character everyone else loves that I don’t: Shado. She was nice but not fleshed out enough for me. Take her, leave her, meh. The character I love that everyone else hates: sally.. Just kidding. The character I used to love but don’t any longer: Slade. He became a little cartoonish for me in the end. He could have been a great anti-hero like spike. Oh the tragedy of it all. The character I would totally smooch: Oliver because hello ABS The character I’d want to be like: Diggle .. He is a super sensei and not only does he get his man, he gets his girl too. The character I’d slap: Laurel A pairing that I love: Oliver/Diggle/Felicity. I'd watch anything with any combo of these three. A pairing that I despise: Laurel and pretty much anyone.

Yeah that last scene was weird and probably added to add some urgency/agency to laurel's story. I do feel like all the KC interviews was a big test. She did all the press for the finale and she was barely in it. Funny when you compare Barry's introduction press run, EBR/SA went on and on about Barry/ Felicity, chemistry, etc. honestly if the network wanted me to buy into Laurel as black canary, then team arrow should have done the press (EBR,SA,DR,CL). If it was a united front, I'd be more supportive of the shows direction. Call it psychology or whatever. No one but producers/KC and then at the end SA did press. At least those were the ones I saw.

I liked how he kept the jacket from that episode and wore it in future episodes. Daniel was always my favourite character because I as the audience could relate to his nerdy enthusiasm. Sam was awkward at best in the beginning, very hardcore in her push/pull with O'neil. Daniel was never perfect though ironically he was probably the character people could argue had Mary Sue qualities.

One of my favourite moments is heroes part 1. SG13 are exploring a random planet and Adam Baldwin's character goes into an epic rant. And then there was this nugget Balinsky: (after SG-13 discovers Ancient built ruins) This place was built by the Ancients. Dixon: You sure? Balinsky: Yes. These markings and this stone architecture... Dr Jackson is going to die when he sees this. Dixon: What, again? Balinsky: Funny.

Yeah he still has shares. The stock price did go up. But for him to get cash that's substantial and be worth anything to Oliver personally, he'd have to sell all of it. Lol... I'm getting flashbacks of an old Eric stolz movie with Christopher Plummer.'

You are welcome. The dialogue on this part of the narrative was pretty succinct. I had to rewatch the scenes with the accountant three times before I got it. From the storytelling perspective, writers have actually done something very smart. They kept it vague enough so the future is a blank slate. - If they chose to keep QC/Queen scion story alive and going, they laid the basics down. Oliver has QC shares, but is not on the board and does not have control. Qc has his family's assets from the trust. His personal finance situation is a grey area enough, that it is an uphill battle to get the company back. From a character development perspective, I'd like to see him step up and learn to appreciate what he took for granted as CEO. And if Stellmoor is evil. - on the other hand, if the writers wAnted to move away from Qc, they could have Stellmoor run the company just fine and keep team arrow out of it completely. They could say that Stellmoor liquidated the family trust assets to help rebuild applied sciences. And we would never hear about getting queens money back because it's all gone. Yeah Thea is going to need some therapy after all this. Lol

League of assassins that don't assassinate. Lol, suddenly they don't sound as badass.

You are probably thinking of trust funds. Season 2 ep 1, Isabel tells Oliver his trust fund doesn't have enough money to buy the remaining 5%. Implying his personal trust fund had limited funds. I'm sure that both Oliver and Thea's personal accounts are fine as long as they didn't sign any personal guarantees. Thea could have signed a personal guarantee for verdant (the club land and building could have been held in the family trust) but to operate the business and get loans to start up operations oliver/tommy had to borrow startup funds. Something else that could have happened is that the bank could have frozen everything including personal accounts if they had a stake in this. That's the thing with being business owners/ executives/directors, you typically have to get personal liability insurance because you do have to provide guarantees to banks, etc. Successful businessman rarely invest personal funds into a venture. They provide small startup cash, provide personal guarantees secured by personal assets and then get banks to provide the rest. Now that tommy is gone and Meryln is dead, technically Thea is still very rich if everything related to the Meryln estate was in limbo due to lack of heir apparent. This might be a good reason for Meryln to seek Thea out initially. Oh ... The trust I'm referring to above is a family trust. High net worth families typically move their assets (shares in investments, shares of company family owns, land building, etc) into the trust for tax planning, blah blah. Trust fund is basically a really big bank account that is protected in the name of someone else, kids of rich parents.

If Isabel bought all of QC shares through Stellmoor, then Stellmoor/bank/queens own the shares. I wrote earlier about what possibly happened to make the Queens poor. Death stroke episode - Oliver had to attend the annual board of directors. By this time, he had missed a month of being at QC. Isabel has been acting As defacto CEO. After Thea was kidnapped, Isabel says that board had to nominate new officers (SEC thing) At the annual meeting that took place earlier that day. The board vote to finalize the officers of the company had to be done by CEO within 24 hours. Oliver appoints CEO temporarily to Isabel to take care of it. Directors made Isabel CEO permanent and unseated Oliver as CEO. Isabel retasks applied sciences to make mirakuru. Man under the hood - team arrow blow up applied sciences. New appreciation for team arrow all in leather. Didn't appreciate it enough the first time. :o) Meeting with the accountant. He says Isabel laid the groundwork for months and even though queens are majority shareholders, Isabel diluted the value of the shares. That could imply that Isabel convince the board to issue new shares, diluting the value of the old shares so the shares individually are worthless and "on paper" queens are virtually broke. Implying that majority of queens net worth was from QC shares. Accountant says Queens have assets still and they have to move the assets into a NEW trust that Isabel cannot touch. All beneficiaries from the current trust have to sign off and then lawyers/accountants can move into the new trust. I think Isabel could only go after trust if it provided guarantees for shareholder loans from QC. That's probably how Queens had everyday cash. Once the trust assets were seized because Thea didn't sign the move into a new trust, Everything was frozen and titles were transferred to QC. Where the narrative should go is Stellmoor comes into play next season. Honestly I would love it if Merlyn helps Thea get everything back. It will give her something to do besides focus on team arrow.

Looking back at the last two episodes, maybe it explains Sarah being down and those "she's a hero" bits in that the second last episode. Sarah seemed dejected like she had no hope. She couldn't very well tell everyone that she went to Nyssa/LOA and got turned down. Sarah felt like a failure and then she had her "sister chat" and had her baby saving moment and realized, I'm a hero and I can do this. In the finale, she seemed more at peace with all of it rather than angst about LOA. They came to her when she needed them the most. They seemed okay with Sarah not killing even if they still killed. My conclusion, Sarah trusts Nyssa to let her be a hero and not make her kill. Nyssa knows it almost destroyed her soul. And Nyssa does love her. She's not happy but is at peace with what is becoming. That's my take on this. Jacket thing ... Whateves.

How QC has always been described on the show has been little confusing. My guess is that start of season two and the company crisis with Isabel, the writers were trying to go for what happened in batman begins. Up to that point, it made perfect sense. Then QC basically has three shareholders in season two. I think it's a SEC requirement to have independent directors on the board of public company. What the writers went for and I found confusing is that Oliver signed over and made her temporary CEO, Isabel called the board meeting, she ousted Oliver as CEO. So I guess he was never a board director. You would think One Queen would have been. But hand wave ... Maybe it had to do with bad press of the undertaking, who knows. I'll have to go back and rematch those episodes to see if I can gleen any more sense out of it. Quarks, I think that's what the scene with the accountant was for. But that beat was too fast.

Hmmm been playing on the private side of the public/private side of things too long. I was trying to think of a mechanism that devalues the company quickly. What would accomplish that is if Isabel took the value (say QC is worth 1billion) and somehow decreased its value to the stockholders. There was a brief beat where a character said shares are devalued.. Don't remember the details. So she Either made bad investments that lost money ( but not enough time had passed) or did something that directly decreased the equity in the company... That's why I went with stock split but maybe that's not the right vehicle. Anyone here a CPA in the states? Please share a theory. I'm sure the writers did some research on this. Or talked to their in house accountants. But based on my experience, only way for Isabel as QC CEO to go after Queens personal assets is if Queens had a loan from QC and secured it with their personal assets. This happens in companies started by/controlled by families. When family members need money, they take out "shareholder loans" at low interest/zero interest. As shareholders/directors, they would have provided personal asset security guarantees for banks in order to borrow money to grow, etc. To protect family members from legal complications from the growing company. Part of the ownership and personal assets are transferred into a trust. All family members are members of the trust. This protects them to a certain degree. I don't know American legal system and how it works there but the way Queens accountant described the need to move assets, it's sounds like they were exposed at whatever level their other personal assets are held together in one entity. Trusts are normally a good thing because it's supposed to protect the value of your assets, etc. but if Queens borrowed money from Qc (say Moira to salvage Queens gambit, pay for assassins to kill Meryln) and secured those loans by their assets. It exposed them all to potential seizure. If Oliver took back control, he should be able to get it all back QC. Another option .. Maybe a more likely scenario is that QC is a consolidated group of companies and one of those companies held Queens personal assets in trust. When Isabel took over, she went after that company as CEO of the parent company. There was a small window where Queens could have moved it out of the trust company controlled by QC and they missed the window because Thea didn't sign the papers. This theory doesn't make sense to me because QC is publicly traded. No way RObert Queen took QC public and left his personal assets In a company controlled by a board. The dust covers made me think of bankruptcy/insolvency cases where courts /banks seize assets and close down the house, kick people out of them and then things get hung up in court.

Joey and Dawson had chemistry I guess but it wasn't interesting. What's interesting about a story of two kids who know everything about each other. Dawson was perfect and everyone treated him as special. Pacey and Joey were interesting and hooked me and others because he didn't feel like he deserved Joey. Joey was too special and he was not good enough for her. OMG!!! Berlanti is rewriting Dawson's creek. Pacey is felicity, Laurel is Dawson and Joey is Oliver. Damn. My heart just broke a little. Lol. Damn Dawson, 15years later, Dawson is still getting on my nerves! Haha

Ok! Since I'm getting my hair done and am stuck in this chair for a while. I'm going to take a Stab at this. Here it is. How GirlWednesday would take over a company and destroy the original majority shareholders. QC was traded publicly, 55% of total shares. Queen family holds 45% of the shares. After the undertaking, 55% shareholders panicked and sold onto the market. Isabel through Stellmoor bought 50%. The last 5% shareholder sold out and Walter/Bank bought in. The board of directors have shareholders and independent members. Isabel convinced them to vote non-confidence in Oliver/CEO and usurped his position. Next I would convince the board of directors to approve a stock split. This achieves two things. One - it removes Oliver as a future threat because it erodes Oliver's 45% stock holdings in QC. Two - it will devalue company on the market (earnings per share just got halved), scaring away potential angel investors, etc. Stellmoor buys up the new shares. At the same time, to destroy Queens financially, I/Isabel would call the shareholder loans that Robert/Moira and then Oliver would have had and it would have been secured by personal guarantees or guaranteed by the family trust . The only way to protect the personal assets would have been to move them from being held personally/by the trust. Guarantees must have been provided by the trust. Only explanation as to why Thea's signature was SO important. They couldn't move the assets out of the trust without her approval. Thea doesn't sign. Isabel as CEO calls the shareholder loans and QC seizes the trust assets. If family trust had provided any other guarantees for other investments, bank would have panicked and gotten a court order to freeze all other assets held by Queen family to limit the bank's exposure on the guarantees. Instant poor. I handwaved some details, because I'm evil and don't care about the law. you finance experts can correct me. How does Oliver get out of this? Get Walter/Stellmoor to vote non confidence in the board that voted Isabel as CEO and approved the stock split. Oliver gets a board of his dad's friends that will side with him against Stellmoor. Oliver still has 45% of the shares prestocksplit so he is still the second largest stockholder. Even if it is not worth as much $$$ as it used to be. He needs figure out if Stellmoor is friend or foe and act accordingly. Only reason for this poor plot is if Stellmoor is a player next season. Otherwise why bother..

Now that you mentioned it, a good plot for next year could be that Felicity has been robin hooding for glade victims and the criminals come after her and try to force her to get the money back by pulling a heist. I'd like that to see that.

In my SG1 starved mind looking for a replacement, Diggle IS Teal'c! Felicity is a Daniel because she does worry about people's souls. Barry would have been a straight up Sam. The baby plot for Diggle has potential. Oliver just lost his family. Like Angel, if the narrative turns from being partners to being a family, I would not be opposed.

Ah man! Somewhere in this arrow forum, I wrote that I was scarred by the sickening forced soulmate thing on Dawson's creek. People on TWOP are saying that Berlanti was one of the writers that supported that concept. This is troubling. ;o(

The death match between Slade and Oliver in the present. So well done but one thing took me out of the show. The two suddenly ended up on a roof and there was no transition to that location. Who chased who to the roof. It was an odd choice to make. Something similar to what happened in heir to the demon. One sec Sarah is dying and the two (Oliver and Nysaa) are fighting indoors, then suddenly they are on the docks and Sarah is there and collapses again. Both transitions were jarring for me. I cannot recall if there were others like these two.

That's why I think they should pull a heist on a criminal. What a way to start a new season. Solving the cash poor issue without having to deal with the horrendous financial plot of season 2. Laurel DA can be at odds with them over it and that will keep her out of the arrow lair.

I like the two separate bromance that Digg has with felicity and Oliver. It's nice and NORMAL and without angst. His friendship with those two. Maybe I miss SG1

Yeah Caitlin and Barry worked for me too. Not too interested in that Iris. Hopefully they avoid the weight of canon on that show.

That's one thing I liked about Gwen in Merlin. She always was part of the story in a useful way even if she wasn't part of the main plot narrative... Or so I remember. I gave up on Merlin before it finished.

Some of you are scarred by Smallville, I'm scarred by Dawson's Creek and their soulmates shtick. I hated it with a rage of thousand burning suns. If the show goes back to storytelling and character development with substance and not rush through the anthology of DC comic book characters, I'll appreciate it, regardless of who Oliver ends up with.

She has definitely come very far in 1.5 seasons. I think I'll have to go back and rewatch season 2. In the last few episodes, she definitely has gone from partner/collaborator to quiet inspirational leader.