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Much better episode after a horrible premiere and an ok second episode. The mystery of the safe and showing Kyle in his element of having great maintenance skills and not looking like a deer in the headlights was what I like about the character. I also enjoy the use of Eve here. Sadly, once again, the writers paint Vanessa has a ditz, can I believe she doesn't want to deal with the strike and never had to worry about that in her previous profession? Oh sure, no problem there, but when we never see her working on lesson plans, grading work either digital or analogue and drinking wine every time we hear her complain about the "politics of the school system" it doesn't paint Vanessa in a good light. She comes off like a teen at a new job going: "Why is it so unfair?" If we saw more of her stressed about school and working as a teacher in a more realistic light, then her turning back to smoking would make plenty of sense. Here it comes off very forced and then hearing from Ike that Vanessa use to smoke up until Kristin was a little girl is not some big revelation. It comes out of nowhere.

Because Kristen Johnston was magically drawn to the couch because they had her in Lily's bedroom and she kept going the couch because of reasons. But I agree, where has this Den been?

It was Nick Jonas and they said after the episode aired, they wanted to get Boyd's dad back full time and of course Jonas was pretty busy when they used it for stunt casting. Another thing that influenced aging Boyd was because the twins playing him were being used regularly on Dexter at the time, and and ABC quoted that they were tired of sharing them with HBO.

The problem is, they have Mike come off as inconsiderate of everyone now and the same with Ed. They have written Ed to now be: "I'm the boss, you will do what I say no matter what." Plus you add in Chuck wants to pick a fight with Mike and vice versa when the stupidest thing is said. The real problem I have with how they treat Kyle is not that he is a yes man. That Mike and Ed say how much they respect him and actually understand him instead of Ryan constantly coming off as an idiot. Plus, they have tried to completely change the original basis of Ryan's character, there is no way I can see him running off after Kristin was pregnant with Boyd. He comes off as too much of a flakey guy that why Kris would have hooked up with him let alone eventually marry him makes no sense. Also, Vanessa is written like she doesn't have half a brain and not someone who has raised 3 daughters, dealt with Mike's crap for over 20 years and has a PhD who is suppose to be a high school teacher. They write themselves in corners with the characters and then they have them be inconsistent with any behavior where nothing counts from previous episodes or seasons. It's become very distracting.

I really enjoyed the episode, but something I have noticed, I think the writers are trying to hit the rest on Haley. The entire Andy plot no one liked and they then wrote themselves in a corner. So, they ditched him. They couldn't really do anything with the insane fashion boss that makes Haley do strange to a point, illegal things. So, they throw that out too. They want to keep Alex around because she is taken advantage of the family and are running out of excuses to have her home all the time. I just wish they pick a direction with the characters that work, keep it there and stop trying to hit the big reset button every time they can't figure out what to do.

That's what made it so bad. Even more that Kyle decided to try and go trank it when the best was to stay upstairs. Just tell Ed and wait for control. Still how the cub got that store room when the bear was in the main loading dock still made no sense. The episode was written like in 10 minutes and by 10 year olds.

I found it funny too, but it was also along the lines of: "Stupid co-workers, thinking I'm some uptight jerk."

How true and something else, having Lorelai brought up in that life style was also probably why Mia gave her promotion from maid and so forth. I highly doubt she wanted a teenage mom and her daughter living in a potting shed instead of giving them something where they could live in an apartment and from what we've seen in Stars Hollow. The apartments were pretty good.

That's what I mean. I would make sense, could lead to some very interesting writing and so forth. However, if she is and they want to ignore it and it becomes obvious, then they shoot themselves in the foot. I think it just went also too far with Kyle and feeding the cats. They treat it like he can barely tie his shoes. The idea would have been to put the cat food away from the dumpster and away from the building. Not just outside the door. Forgetting to close it, classic Kyle.

It doesn't help that the kid playing Boyd really isn't that great either, even the way he acted when Kris kept telling him not to touch anything. It came off as: "My parents are taking my money, so who cares how I say it." 7. Jill on Home Improvement originally worked as a magazine writer and later associated editor until the end of season 3 when they fired her to hire something with a better degree and had big boobs. That's when they had her go back to school, which even the writers said they did too long since Jill had her degrees, she was just working on the PhD. Which she should have had 2 years earlier, none of the writers were experienced with graduate work at that time. Problem with Vanessa is they had her work for an energy company, then the entire Ryan is an asshole, had her quit to work at a school. Yet, we never see her working on lesson plans, grading papers or online papers. Instead they have her drinking wine, complaining about school politics and telling us all what the audience knows. That Mike is an asshole who thinks he knows it all or everything has to be done his way. Yes, they should have just left this for episode 2 or 3 and aired next week's episode since it's about Kyle and Mandy's upcoming wedding. Since that was the focus the last few episodes of last season. Also, wondering why they did the ex-wife poke with Ed when he just got engaged to Wendy. That also seemed out of place, not to mention Ed not wanting the buffet because too many "fat people" would be coming in. Um... Ed you do care if you make money right? Your Outdoor Man restuarants are taking off in your stores. Don't you want more capita?

I'm also in agreement with Kristin. If she is pregnant in real life and they are trying to hide it, I have to say that is actually pretty stupid to do. First of all, it would make sense, her and Ryan have been married now for two years, so writing it in would be fine. Of course with these writers who knows. They probably want to keep it hidden and then they will all of a sudden go: "Wouldn't it be cool if they have a baby now?" Like they did on According to Jim when they decided to hide Courtney Thorn-Smith's pregnancy and then all of a sudden wanted to write it in when she was about a month from having her twins because: "They changed their minds." The problem is, things all looked off, especially with Ed. Oh no, a bear is loose, let's keep it hidden when he said he had cameras in his office too and would see everything and then says at the end, he knows and was doing it on purpose because he could. Everyone was just off in this episode, there were funny parts, but really Ryan talking about Kristin working so much, when he WON't GET A JOB! How they hell does he think they are going to pay for their mortgage. I get Kris wanting things to be a success since she decided to stop wanting to be a doctor because she thinks "vaccines are evil". I'm going to stop now.

I sadly will admit I have been in that boat too. Not wanting to make this a weird forum topic, but while my first time wasn't what it was hyped up to be. Plus, as much as TV shows, religious groups and the norm want to treat sex like it's either the best thing or the worst thing in the world. I had no problem with both Lane and Zach's first time, even the honeymoon sex being a disaster. However, I was in agreement with Lane or even Zach not thinking of consequences, birth control, ect. I have seen very few TV series where sex for teens or adults is ever handled normally. I get that for some people, it rules their relationships and others it's just part of life. I hate to say it, but the only character that ever seem to not have sex dominate their lives or others judgments was Taylor. He mentioned being married, not wanting kids, but being the fun uncle and loving his wife. Everyone else acted like it was the end all, be all or had disastrous results from it. That is such and old TV troupe and Gilmore Girls sadly wanted to make big deals about it just like any other show.

Yes one of my favorites. Especially when Q told him he gave him what so many dream of and then saved him when Picard said he rather die the man he was.

I still hate the entire subplot to this day. It made zero sense that Kirk would be the starring role, the only adult where the oldest kid in the play wa 10 YEARS OLD! I don't care if it was because Lulu was the stage manager and a teacher for the school, or the director was: "oh that Kirk, my friend loves him, I'll make him the star of the play." How he could have auditioned for the play, no parent didn't go: "What the fuck is wrong with you?" "This is a grade school play!" Or the fact that Kirk decides to act like a 10 year old like raising his hand to use the bathroom, leaving because his mom called him, ect. It didn't come off as: "See kids, be like Kirk, and always raise you hand and say: please and thank you." It came off as: "Why is this guy not ran out of the school and told to never come back?"

They pretty much stated that Jared being free since he had several failed projects before Supernatural came about was why he showed up. Same with Jess and even Marty in season 7. It came around the actor being free and even Jared said he was happy to have a paycheck, but did hate his last appearance of Dean because he said it just left nothing resolved or anyone. It was just there and he said the part was basically suppose to be him bitter at everything and nothing more.

The show runners idea that Lane never going to college, having twins after a disastrous honeymoon sex, which was also her first time. Plugged in with Lindsay thinkings she could be some stay at home 20 year old wife was just completely depressing and stupid. I never saw any growth, or "happy ending" for those characters. As I have said, I hope to see Dean in the mini movies to be someone who got his life together, knew he made mistakes, finally grew from them and moved on and I don't mean in Stars Hollow, I mean he moved on both spiritually and physically.

I agree, I mean it as part of his job and it was a hard interview to get. However, Debra had to see it as: "Your job isn't that important and I don't want to help you. So screw you!"

How true. Her bottoming out was a bit of a too much feeling to it. She basically gets told "You don't have it!" and figures: "Well, I'll just do what my boyfriend has done and that will make things be "good" again. When the logic of her thought process and so forth was too over the top. I never saw a Rory who looked at herself and went: "What was I thinking?" or even to a bigger point: "You're an asshole Mitchum and your dad and wife too." Instead it was a: "I suck and people are right, bohoo!"

Yes, and that's what made me hate Emily and where I felt the writers destroyed her character by doing that. I can't no matter how I look at it and even members of my family who are fans of GG themselves. See Emily doing anything "best for Lorelai" is crap. She still fell on: "What will others think?" crap her, Richard, Straub, Franchine and others have done for years. At that point in time, Lorelai had turn away from the "rich" life style. Opened her own inn, raised her daughter through high school gotten her to college and was in a committed relationship. Did she fall into old habits with Christopher? Yes, she did. Did Chris fall back on his stupid vision of what was a "bit happy family"? Yes, he did. However, to go and basically want to sabatoge your daughter's relationship because she might end up marrying "a diner owner". Yeah, lost me right there.

I agree and 7 years has passed on the show and it just strikes me at so odd that Lorelai and Luke are still not married. I mean if they do show up with: "Richard died, so that ruined that part of getting married, but oopps I'm pregnant at 43, let's get hitched now." I mean seriously? As many of us have said over the years and since bits and pieces emerged about the revival. AS-P has a strange sense of how relationships are suppose to work or why people should get married or have kids.

That was the other thing, a fireman just happen to be walking by the building's garbage while it was going out or even lived in the same building as Phoebe. Nothing was making sense and like I said, he didn't at one point just reset it to shut it off? I doubt he was thinking that the fire alarm making an even higher pitched sound after Phoebe smashed it was soothing or enjoyable. He would have gone: "Shut up already!" and then hit the reset button. Plus, when Phoebe was told about the button and it was so obviously present she didn't hit it earlier. Plus, if it was that loud going off as Phoebe found out when she heard it outside her door, her neighbors wouldn't have knocked on the door going: "We'll shut it off ourselves." Oh I know, but this was some super fire alarm that could keep an residual charge for hours before finally shutting off. Of course, the way Phoebe smashed it, like to know what magical wires were still connected to have the alarm even work.

Phoebe had some very weird moments that almost put Joey's stupidity to shame at times. I remember when she was trying to get tickets for a String concert and her pushing Ben to be friends with one of Sting's kids. I never got that because: 1. Why would Sting's kid be in a New York public school? 2. She said earlier that Ben was really short and when we saw him later on he is shown to be regular height as the other kids, so her thinking Ben was still 3 made even less sense. 3. She really thought pretending to be Ben's mom was going to work? Speaking of odd moments, I still hate the fire alarm episode to this day. First of all, what the hell was powering that fire alarm that it always went off? Second, the fireman saw how destroyed it was and it isn't like fire alarms don't break all the time for whatever reason and building supers have replacements. Why didn't he just get a replacement because he saw how smashed it was. Plus, you are trying to make us believe that after dropping into the garbage, that this fireman heard the muffled sound of the alarm, dug it out and then looked up the apartment name and number. Got lead back into the building to personally deliver the messed up alarm himself and didn't at one point decide to hit the reset himself to shut if off? Come on!

I agree looking back at the first season. Caretaker's motivation and what he did just didn't make sense. Even worst in season 2 when we met Sisperia and her motivation was: "You killed him and destroyed his array because I heard it from the Kazon, and we know how trustworthy they are." That was just horrible and we never even saw her again when she realized that they didn't do that and never showed up again. I know the real reason was that both Rick Bergman and Michael Piller said they tried and tried, but could not figure out how to bring her in a organic way that would lead to the crew coming home and turned to the Borg because they had built it up and figured out how to do it with some time travel thrown in because they were obsessed with time travel in the last couple years of the show. Speaking of the Kazon, that's what really was a problem, they were pretty much explained not only in the pilot but several other episodes about how they were such scum and listening to them was stupid. Yet, they had all these other races get told by the Kazon that the crew of the Voyager was not to be trusted and it happened more when they introduced the Tragg, but it made it so stupid. Why they finally left them behind in season 3 and didn't see them but in flashbacks and the time travel episodes in the final season. Because the writers said they were tired of dealing with them and they had gotten boring to write.

Season 7 is just so off and the main reason is Christopher. The entire ending of Luke and Lorelai, then getting together with Chris, the "illegal" marriage. Him not being able to handle family issues like with Richard's heart attack and then when he finally realizes it was time to let go of the stupid "perfect" family that he, Emily and Richard had for so many years. It just makes you shrug your shoulders and are happy he is gone. Then you have pod-Marty that was just thrown in because the actor was free. However, at the end, I do like the send off, but way too much still left between Lorelai and Emily when they could have ignored the entire marrying Christopher and focused on them more. Don't get me started on Kirk and Taylor, they had reached knew levels of morons.

That's exactly it. The easiest way they could have done it in the main episode where Ray's office was the focus of establishing. It could have just been: "I'll work at home on a need to basis or at least 2 times a month." I mean my father-in-law as of 2003 had to work at home every other friday or monday before he retired as it was cheaper on the company and if something happened why had to be home for. It wasn't a problem with anyone. I do the same during the summer since I'm in education and work 12 months, but I don't have to be in the building every single day. As long as my hours are logged and I have evidence of working those hours. Then there is no problem. It just was made a big deal. The followed up on sparingly when the writers needed Ray to work from home because he HAD to be at home.