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I know, enjoyed that. Similar to when they met an old employee who worked with Frank during his old accounting days who saw Frank as a mentor and a great man because he told him to get off his ass and work. Which made everyone including Marie go: "Really?"

This episode was actually pretty good. Something that is a lost art as they say is: "Men not knowing how to take care of the house." Sad to say, while a life troupe, it used to be that when something broke, a guy or a woman could fix it no problem. However, as many of us know the act of a person fixing something themselves has started to become a lost art. The problem is, Ryan is once again shown to be more like Sara Lee than having the ability to use a screwdriver or pair of pliers. I have no problems with the message that men can cook (it's even a fundraising event) or even Kyle learning how cook (which has been shown many times). However, saying that it isn't "man enough" was too much. The problem is, they want to depict that Ryan is so "girlish and hippyish" and then have him complain when he can't do something, which Mike even offers to help him. He has to turn it into a problem. Not to mention, Mike has to go into asshole mode when this happens. They have turned it where Mike has problems with both his son-in-law's but he is always talking about how much of a complaining girl that Ryan is and that Kyle needs to find out where his brain has been all these years. His idea of pitting them against each other was a little too much and how Vanessa just stands there and let's Mike do it is too much. As for Eve's plot, was very real and so in character for Eve, but of course if this wasn't her boyfriend's "second" appearance I could have believed him saying he loved Eve and her not knowing how to react. However, when Kristin brought up Ryan's reaction I was: "No, you said you were pregnant and he left the country." I'm sorry, but if one of my old girlfriends who I said I loved them left the country, I think when they got back there would have been a note saying: "Been fun, bye." Not: "You are back, let's have sex, oppps baby." However, something that really gets me is the entire homeschooling of Boyd, they never, ever show him anymore and they mentioned a couple of episodes ago he was at a retreat with Ryan. However, it isn't like Ryan isn't getting some money for homeschooling Ryan, he still has to teach him, he is certified to teach his son K-8 education. So, it isn't like he isn't making money, just not enough and since it was pretty much Mike's idea to either put Boyd is private school or homeschool him, now he is going to complain about it? I know LMS cut on budget this year and that's why we haven't seen Chuck's wife at all, just mentioned, same with Mike's dad and brother and why Eve's boyfriend has been talked about but only shown twice and the actor who plays Ryan has been working on projects on the side for pay, he isn't in many episodes. Plus the fact that the audience hates the character and Boyd. Too bad they can't just move the two of them and Kristin off to Outdoor Man in Texas and we be rid of them. Of course then they have think of someone else besides Chuck for Mike to fight with and we don't want need a replacement for these characters, just better writers.

The problem also was when the officer found Debra in the car the way she was. I don't know about taking them off to jail, but I think my next question would have been: "Can I call someone like your husband or sister?" Least then it would have made more sense, because the scene in the courtroom, especially with the judge asking why she didn't let Marie drive her home and then see why. It was just too much.

Well, everyone said that right away and i think after that the producers also saw it was too much. I also like to know where Fuller thought it was an attractive hair style. I know many women and family members who do it, but they don't pull their hair the way they did her's and with her face, it doesn't look good on her. Of course, her outfits aren't the best either, but I blame that on wardrobe. They make Mandy and Eve look like regular women their age, same with Vanessa, but with Kristin, I feel like they just grab a pile of clothes from the closet and then put them on her.

That's what I mean. Eve also did some good music singing by herself and had some pretty good talent playing. Now, she is a "hack" who is delusional? Yet, Kristin has been trying to spare her feelings? Neither Mike or Vanessa said that Eve was horrible or even lacking with talent. They both felt she wasn't going to get anywhere and she was taking things way, way too seriously thinking her life was over. Hell, even Ryan in his own ass backwards talk, pretty much told Eve she wasn't heading down a good path, but she would figure it out. Mandy just didn't care. I feel like now they are just going to try to put this all on: "Eve was just being depressed" and sweep everything under the rug. Like they have done with all the characters the last few years after they did large stories. I mean, pretty much Vanessa being out of work, talked into stupid things by tunnel vision views from her daughter's "friends" and her son-in-law is just now: She's a private tutor at Outdoor Man for students. Best of both worlds. Kyle never asked for promotions, no problem, Ed and Mike will just give him a pay raise, when they SHOULD HAVE OFFERED IT TO HIM YEARS AGO! Boyd didn't get vaccinations or calls his teacher stupid, no problem, home school and then Ryan and him can't be shown much since no one likes the characters. Kristin wanted to be a doctor? Remember? Nah, she thinks vaccinations bring autism and now she is managing a restaurant that her dad gave her and being a chain manager for other locations. Doctor? It's season 6, we don't care about that story anymore. Back to topic, I'm sure Eve will suddenly want to go to college and be a music teacher to keep others from being like her. Then Mike will smile and know he is THE LAST MAN STANDING.

That's exactly it! She knows she is bad, even plays a bad harmonica and yet she wanted $1k for recording equipment? Once again, like the last three seasons. The writers painted themselves in a corner. They don't know how to logically end Eve's "gap year" since she decided to ditch college or the military all together because: "She didn't get into Westpoint!" "Life is over!" "I'm a failure!" Now, they don't know what to do with Eve's character and they don't want her to actually find success. So, she must now magically be bad and even she knows it. Just like all of a sudden Mike and Vanessa can't keep their hands off each other because Kyle and Mandy say they can't and they are trying to be like them. In what episode? In what year? On what planet was that ever a thing? Once again, plot drives character, not the other way around and it goes against everything they have done the entire season. Seriously? Time for the show to end.

I guess everyone on the show agreed that Amanda Fuller's shaved hair was not looking good. She was in a wig this episode and apparently next episode as her hair had magically grown back after the last few episodes. Eve freezing in the cold for money, ok, that was too much. Eve has lost major brain cells now. That was too much and of course she was horrible in the episode, when she was actually singing a good song there, but hey, she had to be bad, even she knew it. Well, if you know you are so bad Eve, then maybe it's time to end the "gap year" and go back to school. Everything with Mike and Vanessa and Kyle and Mandy was too over the top. Mike and Vanessa have not been shown affectionate or anything for years. Then magically everyone brings it up and then they act like horny teens again? Umm... wow, out of ideas here show. So, Kyle and Mandy never had a honeymoon or were going to have one later on like a lot of couples do these days. Sure, yeah sure they didn't. Wow, what happened to this show?

That's what also put this episode in prospective is everything Thrawn has been doing is coming together. He let them escaped because in the long run he wants all sections or at least the main base of where they are all at. Easy to do one big wipe out and then just getting rid of a few ship and a few jedi. What the Emperor always wanted, the entire Alliance wiped out. Even after the events of Rogue One now, we see that the Empire wasn't really aware of how powerful the Rebellion was until the plans were stolen. Even in season 2 of Rebels, both Vader and the Emperor kind of tossed the Ghost crew and Captain Tano as more of an annoyance than just a force to be reckon with. Which is what of course lead to their fall in the long run.

Yes and same with Gould who plays Luke. In fact, he graduated high school two years early. I do know in one interview, he said Modern Family is a hobby that pays for school. They basically just do it for a paycheck now, but not the first child actors to do that. I remember that Mayim Bialik took her money from Blossom and went on to finish her PhD from the money, but went back to acting because she missed it. Same with Avery Brooks who after getting money from Spencer for Hire and A man Named Hawk went back to school and completed his Masters.

I do wonder that, but I said since now they have a season 3, we need to see her. They have a gold mine of stories there with how the girls react to their stepmother and how the kids review the only other grandmother they have known. Same goes for Tommy Sr.'s parents, have been mentioned many times since season 1. Yet, we have never seen them or how they are dealing with the lost of their apparently only son. Since season 3 is going to be 18 episodes. They have a lot of room for this.

I completely agree. Also, when Paul Rubens originally played Amy's brother. His set up and everything was a concerned brother who hated how Robert saw everything with Amy. When they recasted him with Chris Elliot, they turned him into this man child who didn't know how to act or be a grown up. Not to mention run a business. Ray and Debra came out looking like idiots because any parents who did this would have had the door slammed on their faces or the police called. Taking a personal experience, I was a regular player of YuGiOh in the day and I got a super rare card, and was worth money. But they banned the card from US play and it went from $2,500 to be barely worth $10. So I traded the card during a tournament and the guy didn't know it was banned. He got it for free, but was upset later he could only play it at home and not main game tournaments. I got a good card from him, but he had it extra and the limit was only so many of that card. Yet, did he come tracking me down and wanting it back? No, we were adults and acted like it.

I agree, the writers want to write them to make the plot work, when it can be a really bad, bad plot point. I mean Junior's thoughts on what was the truth behind Pops, Ruby and their great aunt was so off the wall, even for Junior. As for Dre's boss, yes, sometimes he makes sense and other times you go: "How does this guy run anything or function in life?" Similar to Charlie, there is being oblivious but there are times when I'm surprised that Charlie can function as a person and I love Charlie.

The problem has been with all the kids on the show when college has been an obstacle for the show is they choose some very poor ways to keep them on the show. Problem with Hailey is she seriously got kicked out of college for very, and I do mean very stupid reasons. You could tell she fell out of the window and the cop just happened to be there. Also, nothing stopped Phil and Claire from saying: "Go to a community college, otherwise find your own place." Things with Alex has been: "College, is so big and I'm so small, I can't do this, Sanjai doesn't love me, I can't fit in here either... waha!" Um... this is Alex who couldn't wait to break out of home, get into a place where she could grow or know she wouldn't be the odd one out. Now, she couldn't handle the pressure, mono is the excuse and now works at a local coffee bar? Ummm... who is this? Now, with Luke him basically telling Phil to stop being his cheerleader, he knows he isn't smart and Phil realizing that he maybe needs to scale back and let his kids realize they aren't perfect. Yet, them trying to have it now that Manny is going to hate going to college because it might be "too fun"? Ummm... this is too much.

I was going into this wondering, and I have to say it pulled things off very well. I did love things between Pops and Junior, that was just well acted and written. Something that was interesting was all the POVs at work. Even with the whole: "With Hilary, it was more of the same." which is the main argument why Trump won. He went so crazy that everyone was like: "YEAH!" "CHANGE IT!" I even had a friend who went so crazy saying Trump was going to reverse all of Obama's stuff immediately. Of course, I think being the main parties have had that out, even the successful stuff. Answers to what Obama did right people go: "Well, he didn't do it right enough on them." Even the talk of: "My dad is still out of work, ect." Yes, but maybe people who are unemployed will get a job when Trump is president and maybe, they might still be without a job because sad to say companies still age discriminate and yes, blacklist employees for you know "reasons". As I've said, it's going to be an interesting 4 years.

Something that is a big hole between Maul's last appearance on Clone Wars and his reappearance in Rebels. What the hell happened to him? Palapatine killed Savage Opress and then said he had plans for Maul. Then when he shows up in the season 2 finale. 8th Brother was saying he was hunting a shadow. Then 7th Sister even admitted: "The rumors are true, Darth Maul lives." So, the Inquisitors knew he was alive at some point, but thought he had been dead for years. Why they called him a shadow, because they knew he was some Force user who was in hiding or on the run, but couldn't find him directly. So, where did Maul go in that time span from just before Revenge of the Sith where Clone Wars ended to before Rebels started? I get he was looking for the old Sith temple and holocron, but the rest... doesn't really work. Now, they reveal what happened after the battle with Palapatine in Clone Wars and that he went on the run. Then ok. Otherwise, I think the story needs to end with his reunion with Kenobi and a final battle.

Something that really called a lot of DAR set ups that I still love Emily calling everyone out on in Fall. When they were going on about passing around the prenub or how they leave people guessing as a way of saying they didn't make it just were all kinds of wrong and illegal. First of all, a prenub can't just be handed out to whoever. There is a copy that is kept with the lawyer/firm that set it up and a copy for the parties involve. You can't just "ask" for it and then passing it around like a note in class. Another thing was there context of swearing and other things. I mean really? These people have never swore or called things out at times? Maybe not in the middle of an interview, but they were: "Emily... language." Followed by Annie Potts going: "If you say bullshit one more time." Something Gilmore Girls has constantly gotten wrong over the years is how the DAR functions and how high society acts. I mean, really you think these people don't swear. Call people on behavior when they have done it themselves, and don't immediately go: "We are not interviewing this person" instead of doing just for the sake of appearance? Health Care has a more straight interview process.

The tone down of Ken and having it where the daughter actually cares about her life and the wife wants better. Really was what the show needed, dumping the ditz doctor and having the CEO actually appear competent at times helped too. I think TPTB saw what worked and what didn't work and decided to ditch what didn't. Least they weren't the opposite where the show clicked and worked and then decided to change things because they thought it be better.

Maul is one of those characters that is more love by the writers than by the fans. I saw the use of Maul ended a long time ago with Clone Wars. They had a perfect way to complete that arc. Yet, they brought him back here in Rebels and now it's just dragging. I hope this possible concentration with Obi Wan they have teased at is the final time we see him.

Still trying to figure out how Fernando got lost and his excuse was: "I'm use to driving in circles." Wasn't like he didn't take Romana to rehearsal or anything. How about the fact that Romana would have told him out to get there herself? Then again, my sister once worked with a person who used his GPS every single day to get to work for almost 4 years. His car's alternator went out so he got a rental and then had to call the company on how to get to work. All those 4 years, he never paid attention to how to get to work, he always relied on the car GPS. So, if Fernando is like that, then I can buy it.

Who wrote this episode because they didn't know the characters at all. It has been long established that Eve is the favorite, yet it's Mandy now? Who is at least trying to finish school, running her own business and Kyle and her are saving for their own place so they don't have 4 roommates. Plus, Kristin acting like she didn't get her job because of her dad and Eve wants nothing to do with the military in any shape or form now, because "she didn't get into Westpoint." Kyle and Ed's B-plot made even little sense. Especially, so Ed who has dozens of employees and people coming to see him for sign offs and contracts strips naked and oh... he doesn't wear underwear. Because basketball, right? Then have Kristin and Mandy both give up money for Eve. Hey guess what Eve, go back and get a job again and buy it. You were working part time, but wanted to stop working all together so you could just do Habitat For Humanity. Because "I believe in that more." Up until last year, we never knew Eve even played any type of musical instrainstrument. They pounded it into everyone's head that she was a tomboy, who loved sports, wanted to be a boy and hated anything girlish. Now, she wants to have a musical career, likes actually dating and having sex, wants to live on her own, but Kristin is now doing everything for her. Ryan is giving her half ass advice, which he never did himself. Seriously, I think it's time the show ended because no one is in character or makes sense anymore. They seemed to be ashamed of their upper middle class lives. Kristin got pregnant and lived at home for several years. Let a diner manager walk all over her until a former friend gave her a manager job because he knew she was good and actually wanted her to get her life together. Mandy was flakey, but had a drive for fashion and good at customer service. Now, she barely knows how to add 2 and 2 together. Eve is so: "Fuck my life, but give me everything." Vanessa is a dear in the headlights and Mike is just angry at everything. Who are these people?

that's the thing too. I mean, it was the easy out for the writers/producers to get a "cute kid" on the show again. Plus, they thought it was clever to show how Gloria parents a kid before the teen years, how Jay now in his 60s having a kid again and giving Manny a sibling. Yet, it backfired completely. Manny comes off so hateful towards Joe at times, it was right up there with Eve and Boyd during season 2-3 of Last Man Standing. Where she came off as the jealous big sister who did some horrible stuff to her nephew. Gloria comes off like a twit and poor Jay is trying to handle everything. WHat did Claire do? She talked about how fat Gloria was going to get or how having baby now would destroy Gloria's pretty image. Does Mitchell act with his little half brother much? No. Yet, he was thought of possible guardian when you look at Lily? Story line that was trying to get the "new young kid" and it backfired big time. Last show that did that right was Nicky and Alex on Full House, because their arrival made sense. Joe was forced on us after Cam and Mitch's adoption went out the door and just doesn't work for any of the characters.

I'm agreeing on all that, I think the writers with Manny have shown how much he hates having a little brother. It's been beaten over the head how Joe screws up things for Manny from girls to his projects. Then when he tries to a brother, he doesn't know what to do. Having him say he would take care of Joe was a bad attempto have Manny say: "He annoys me, but I love him." It was badly delivered and came out of nowhere. I have to agree, Cam is always and I do mean 98% of the time having Mitch do things for him. Not that Mitchell doesn't do very stupid things or makes bad decisions. But really, when was the last time Cam did something for Mitchell? Sorry, letting the Fizbo costume finally be accidentally donated doesn't work. Since Cam blew all of their Hawaii money on the weird Thanksgiving party. Plus, the fact he thought Mitchell would never know the money was gone. Which made zero sense. Same goes for the girls missing car and bus situation. I mean, it is up there with the doctor who had his car told and needed Phil to lend him money. He then just goes back to the same park and is asking for money from another guy? In the same place? After he got his car back? He was a OBGYN, I can see him not having cash on him, but he didn't after getting his car back, go grab some money from the ATM or go someplace else when he was at the park for a quick stop? Contrived oh yes.

The twins needing a bath in the afternoon, no one aware that Michael called his teacher "mommy" or how a set of 4 year olds magically found a cookie container at the bottom of a trash can and then decided to kick it around like a toy. I mean there were so many times when the twins were part of a main story plot, they made it ridiculous. I mean I can get the teacher situation, but how no one knew what was going on or how Michael all of a sudden didn't want to go to school one day to the point he is grasping at his bed. It was like they wanted to paint both Debrah, Ray and Marie's parenting skills like they were drug addicts on government aide looping the system.

Really enjoyed this episode. I remember I was 11 when we did shirts and skins during soccer practice. First time I was exposed to the concept was in the moving: "Just One of the Guys". Asked my mom and grandparents what was the point and explaining about knowing your teammates, I wondered why they didn't use another shirt. When I got to high school in the early 90s that's when they put it towards reversal shirts for yellow and dark blue. I felt weird in middle school when it was still a thing, I didn't look the greatest, so I felt Adam's pain. Loved Emmy and Erica's relationship, I hope we get more of that in the future.

That was a nice twist and that the other woman watched it every Saturday. Great to have a fan of the series too.