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Exactly, so while giving away of the bride and main walk are gone, the rest is intact.

Exactly, and if they want to throw in that the boat was in the garage (that was my mistake). It wasn't like he couldn't have slipped it on the side to get to easily through the main door. In the basement made no sense, now if Dan would have said: "You wanted me to finish it." Then you can go with the excuse, but there just for storage. I wouldn't want to be the person who would have to carry it up, move through the house and then load it.

I completely agree. Any jeweler would have seen: "Wow! This is a great diamond, its not a fake!" Instead, he just tossed it out? That is beyond belief, even if the jeweler was shady, he would have taken that diamond and ran, not pitched it.

Oh I know it ranks up there along with Ray taping over their wedding video for a football game. Because A) VHS done then had the tabs taken off to keep from being recorded. Robert even said the company who did it went out of business, so who knew if any copies were still around or not. 2. As we saw, there was like maybe 45 seconds cut out as when they went to play the game they found Deb coming up the aisle, so, really the only thing that was lost was the wedding party entrance. I would have been mad too, but logic was big time thrown out for the story and then when it was revealed that nothing was really lost outside of 45 second, everyone acted like not seeing the game was a bigger deal. Not to mention, the Wedding Video wouldn't have been in another spot then with blank VHS?

Not to mention, even when they showed the boat that Dan was working on in the first season, there was plenty of room. So, I find it pretty bad writing and even being cheap with the use of the set pieces for the excuse was because there was soooo much drywall. So, if there was no room for anyone, then how was Dan going to get it back out?

I just call it completely stupid!

Considering when they were together, I actually liked them in that episode, but everyone other episode they were in, except for when Robert gave Peter his old apartment. That was good, but how Peter lost his comic book store and everything that was too much. Plus, one moment Peter was living on his own, then back with his parents, then not and then back again. The writers didn't know how to write Peter as pathetic or just jealous of Amy's life and it got to be too much.

Another thing was, Luke was Jess's uncle and not his father. Even if Jimmy was long out of the picture, Luke didn't want to over step on things, but of course that was thrown out the window when Luke didn't want Lorelai to know about April at first and then later not wanting her to be involved becuase she would be more fun. The problem was, Luke was pretty much Jess's father figure and despite the various rewrites of Jess's history, he was there a lot. The problem was, Jess was basically thrown on Luke, and being the devoted family guy took him in not once but twice. The problem was when Jess ran away with Jimmy, Luke realized he didn't do what he should of done and failed him as he told Lorelai in season 3. Of course, I liked Jess's apologizing to Luke in season 4 and then by season 7 Jess finally realized that Luke gave a damn about him, and it was about being "the rebel" that why his life went down hill so fast. However, so much was contrived to get Milo to the spin off that never was and it made Jess not only come off as a moron. But everyone else has to be stupid too from the school principal, to Luke finding out on his own to even the Walmart manager going: "Wait Jess!" "How can you work these many hours?" "You're still in school?" My next problem was when Liz came to Stars Hollow and told Jess about his POS car in the shed. I mean really, she thought it was such a great idea to let Jess know where it was. Instead of: "Good, he didn't want to get the picture that you were trying to help him. Plus, it's a money pit anyhow." "I say chop it up for parts." But of course, we had to see how flakey and stupid Liz was and then she goes: "I didn't think Jess would just show up and try and steal it back." Talk about eye roll there.

That's why I said: "It's just money." "Just do it!" Is how it came off. I know they weren't hurting for money and in fact, Ray had done several things where he got stuff that was a bit more expensive, but he wasn't regretting. However, I'm in the way where: "If it isn't going to pay off later or you can use it for years to come." "Why spend $250 in a one time thing." I agree, the episode could have been good if they wouldn't have done the last minute party change, because to make it work, you had to throw out the entire story to make it work and that just goes to: "What's the point?" "It wasn't funny."

I also love that episode, and even before David and Mark's dad took off with their younger siblings. Their mother was a piece of work and was both mentally and physically abusive to her kids. Then you wonder why Mark had so many problems early on and the writers even said, they were going with that. That his bad boy image was due to his mother and that their dad was just doing nothing. Then they decided to have it that he grew a pair, took the younger brother and sister and got the hell out of there. I would have liked some kind of follow up, but sadly we never got to see Mark and David's dad, and from what we understand, he was in the picture, but it was their mother who did everything.

I completely agreed. I hated that episode so much even the fact that dress would have most likely never been worn again. These were pre-teen to early teen girls. Also, Peggy's reason was so they wouldn't have a party of mid dirft and g-string dressed girls? Umm... what? Especially at the end with the party and you saw how the girls were dressed. What school was Peggy going to? I hated Peggy's character, the only good one was with her and Amy's brother almost getting together and Ray keeping it from happening. When the two had the most in common and they were some of the worst characters the series had created. Of course when Paul Rubens played Amy's brother, his character was more point, when they decided to expand on the "craziness" of Amy's family that's when it went to far. However, back to Peggy and the party, wow, I was on Ray's side the entire time and everyone was basically saying: "Spend money and get over it."

How true, it was when he was being told he wouldn't graduate, couldn't go to prom and had to repeat when reality finally hit him. I think he got even a bigger dose when he returned for his POS car and realized not only how much he had screwed up, but after Rory rejected him he realized he needed to shape up. Hence when we saw him with his book store, his book and meeting April and thank Luke. Jess finally realized he could have still gotten there, if he would have cared about what he was doing instead of just: "What makes me happy and who cares."

That was my point in my original post. The school staff and Jess seem to not know how things like this could work. Of course, just like there was no way that Luke wouldn't have been contacted about Jess skipping school or the fact that a GED was an option that would have been suggested by a principal or school advisor when something like this happens. Of course in the world of AS-P, GEDs were non existence just like Jess thinking Walmart and his POS car was his ticket to getting out of Stars Hollow.

Which really should have smacked Jess a little harder in the head of him thinking that way. I mean, did he think he was going to be a General manager by 19 and a district manager by 21? His car was shit, he skipped school to get more hours at Walmart and used his employee discount to keep the thing running most of the time and paying out more to Gypsy to keep the POS running. Jess was very limited in his views and never looked ahead to things. That's what made him human, but at the same time, how he thought living with Jimmy was going to help fix that when he had support and a way to either get his GED or finish up school during the summer was beyond stupid.

Pilot: Now, flying a helicopter is serious and hard work that isn't cut out for everyone. Barney: I have a coupon. Pilot: Right this way!

That's what really made me go "huh?" like she never cooked for kids before? That she couldn't stick to what the party wanted for the event, she had to "spruce" it up? That made no sense to me and it lead to Sookie going: "I'm not ready for this!" So, her botching the kid's party was because she didn't know how to handle little kids who weren't Rory? This also goes to how anal she was about Luke screwing up her kitchen that she had Jackson first of all tell Lorelie off. Then being on bedrest so she wouldn't go into labor early with her second kid was to have Jackson drive her in a golf cart so she could make sure Luke wasn't screwing up the kitchen. That was too much for either Sookie or Jackson and ranks up there was: "Get snipped, nurses! Haul my husband upstairs." Gets up there, Jackson: "Screw this!" "Ok, sir, we couldn't force you anyhow." Jackson: "Don't tell my wife, I'll just time things to avoid having a 3rd kid." So much hatred for them.

I completely agree, Last Man Standing is a prime example of that right now. Where the plot is constantly driving the characters and contradicting something that was not just established in a previous episode, but several. I also remember on episode where Luke made a comment about comic books during his uncle's pre burial and then a while later acted like he had never read even seen a comic book. It was always the butt of a punch line. Same goes with Sookie during the Lord of the Rings birthday party with making Mac and Cheese green and so forth. The point was to take it where someone like Sookie who was ready to get married, have babies and have a career all of a sudden acted like she never had been around kids before. Just to prove a point that no matter what you say, you are never 100% ready for what comes along when you have kids. Just like Logan and Jason's families expecting them to take over the family business, which they didn't want too, yet didn't want to give up their cushy finances to do so. That was a big no no and in doing so, they had to act like it was the worst thing in the world, and yelled about how they had their lives dictated to them. Boo Hoo! Let me wipe away your tears.

I'll pull up a seat too, that's how I've always seen L/C. They were long time friends who had benefits and were dating and if Rory wouldn't have happened then they would have move don. I do believe Lorelei would have moved on in college. Despite Straube and Francine blaming everything on Lorelei and Rory. Chris saying to them he would have dropped out anyhow just rang true. Christopher had this problem with really taking responsibility and looked for a reason for an excuse. I mean right after Rory was born Chris response: "I guess this means have to get married now." He didn't say: "We have to raise her right." or "Guess its time to grow up." He took that Richard's plan was the right thing to do. He might have gone running back to Sherry when she told Chris she was pregnant with Georgia, but he still acted like he wanted Lorelei on the side and why Rory was so mad at him. He wanted to be the "step up" dad for her future half-sibling but could never get his shit together for her. Then as we saw, Chris was not present really in Georgia's life at all to the point he didn't know how to change diapers, which was just too much. He was like the result of helicopter parenting, but in his case everyone always did everything of him or made up an excuse of him, so when the walls were down. Chris was a child lost in a sea of adult decisions he not only knew how to make, but had no idea of what to do when forced to make a decision.

See if that was the way they went with it, then I was fine with it. However, Richard and Emily acted like such a thing could not even be possible. It wasn't like they didn't know what type of person Logan was and especially after Emily gave Logan's mother the smack down on her own history and Richard telling Mitchum he crushed Rory and didn't give her needed feedback or creative criticism. Of course, the entire "angel child" was always in their heads. That's why I wanted to roll my eyes at how they didn't believe that the dinner smack down of Rory or Mitchum from what Lorelai told them. That just screamed of not only naivety, but also trying to continue to act like something in their type of society wasn't even possible. Yet, look what Richard did to Dean at dinner. Because you know, you want to say that to your "16 year old" granddaughter's boyfriend, when he is still a kid himself. But did it because he was from a "nobody family" when they turned such a blind eye to the Huntzburgers or Christopher's crap because they were from a "somebody family". Didn't make them either great or horrible people, just made Emily and Richard look like they couldn't see pass their nose. That was one thing that always got me with their characters, they never "got it!" Just like Lorelai didn't learn to stop trying to piss off her folks because she could, instead of of she she know better by now.

I agree, I know it will part of a story arc, but I'm not picking up the series to find out. Maybe in trade, but that's not enough to make me want to pick it up on a regular basis.

The backdoor pilot focused on trying to work a story where they had already made Jess so unlikable, how Jimmy show up now made little to no sense. Then you add in characters that made no sense, except for maybe Sasha's daughter, but of course I see where they got the idea for Anna the single mom who wouldn't tell the father she was pregnant like it was the 1950s. I did like the scene between Jimmy and Jess, but I found Jess getting up and leaving like that making him extremely stupid. I don't want to get into the silent phone calls to Rory all through the season finale. Completely unlike Jess and when he walked off to head back to the shack at the end of the episode I immediately said: "That show will never make it off the ground." Don't get me started on how Jess then came back to Stars Hollow for his car. I would have left that thing to rust in peace in Luke's shed. It was not worth it and made Jess look even more like a moron.

Better to hear it that way instead of a few months after Dean's last appearance on the show and Jared said: "I was not happy with how it left Dean just hanging."

How very true. Forgot about that show.

I agree, I like see that portrayed on TV a lot better than having the stereotype with Mike on The Middle. Where he high fives Axl about conquest and having Brick get into dating girls, but when Sue gets involved he is ready to bring down a hellstorm of fire. Least with Phil, it seems more natural and its rare. The last time I saw something close to a normal reaction like this was on Raising Dad the old series with Bob Saget years ago. When he thought his oldest was having sex and even asked his own dad how he handled it when he had found about him and his sister. The reactions were so normal, that it was so refreshing. I also like that Claire has had a better reaction to it too. She either approves or disapproves of the relationships, but at the same time she is: "Its part of life and I hope they are stupid about it." Better than super helicopter parent that Claire and Gloria are portrayed as.

I also don't think the story would have been on the table if Jared's previous TV shows wouldn't have crashed and burned. They would have had to try something else, and I could even seen it being Jess she slept with given Milo was free from projects at the time too. Which, I think would have set better with fans. Then having the fact that Rory had moved on with her life and Jess hadn't cause them to break up again, would have been much better and also more in character for both and would have lead to Logan a lot cleaner. I also like how the studio execs logic was, yet all other shows that were doing that had characters: getting pregnant, disappearing, in illegal relationships, being told they would burn in hell, getting insects with infection diseases in their no-no parts, or some other big drama. There was nothing on any TV show on the previous WB, NBC, Fox or ABC where a character in that age range was having the message: "Sex is bad!" "Don't do it!" So, to then have the GG team do Rory losing it this way was so out of character and just wrong. Then you go down the road a year later with Richard and Emily finding out that Rory and Logan were having sex. Acted like it something they believe would never happen, especially under their own roof. Just screamed: "What planet are you from?" to them. I have yet to see a show from drama to comedy ever treat sex as something that is just part of life and doesn't immediately destroy your life.