DeeDee79

It really goes to show what superior writing can do. The writers from the Kripke era wrote a truly chilling character, Gamble crammed him into Sam's lackluster "hell wall" storyline and lessened his prior impact while Dabb and Co. gave us a whiny narcissist and tried to make him sympathetic. By the show's end I was completely over Lucifer and Mark Pelligrino even though I've thoroughly enjoyed him in other projects.

And what really sucks is that Mark Pelligrino got the sweetest deal because everyone involved cared more about Lucifer than the Winchesters. And let's not forget about the Colonel Sanders knockoff, aka Crowley lite.

From what I recall after he was written out he said that he expressed his displeasure with the Crowley addicted to human blood storyline in season 9 and again with the Lucifer storyline in season 12. Both times he was shut down and I guess that they decided to double down on their treatment of the character and the actor.

I agree. Also, this thread is to air whatever grievances that fans have with characters/actors so I find it confusing that we have to keep reiterating this point.

I also remembering Mark Sheppard saying that they wanted to demote him to reoccurring instead of a regular and have him sign a contract to keep him from working on other projects while working on SPN.

After watching the trailer again I wonder if they're testing everyone's powers in the same scene. They showed MM hitting Butcher with a huge wood plank it looks like and it immediately snaps in half.

This makes a lot more sense than Becca willingly having an affair after seeing how much she obviously loved Butcher. And Homelander is far from charming so I don't see what the draw would have been with him vs her husband outside of his fame.

As a SPN fangirl I wonder if Jim Beaver who is Bob Singer on The Boys and Bobby Singer on SPN (really Kripke??) will have any interaction with Soldier Boy (Dean Winchester on SPN) at all. It will be a nice touch for SPN fans if they do. 🙂

He looked the same during the purge speech and when he told Dean that he would be the one to end Benny (paraphrasing) so I would say that it's just Jared's acting style.

And who knew how to elevate the mediocre writing that was written for him. 20-30% of what made the character so iconic was writing, the rest was all Jensen.

That's because the writing for Sam was already written to make him look better and be smarter than Dean. Even when he was hooked on demon blood and under Ruby's influence. Jared didn't have to tweak anything.

I think that it's pretty sad that fans still think that Becca willingly cheated on Butcher with Homelander even after she confirmed that she was raped. I watched a review on Youtube and the majority of the comments were that she had an affair and called it rape because she felt guilty for cheating. That makes zero sense to me.

Which is standard with anyone that Sam connects with. Rowena was just as evil as Crowley and one could argue that her cruelty towards him during his upbringing was what shaped Fergus into what he later became. Since Crowley only bonded with Dean they couldn't bear to regard him with any sentiment after he was gone even though he literally sacrificed himself for their cause.

With the exception of a few episodes this is a good thing.

One could argue that Ruby served the same purpose. Even before Sam and the demon blood he was willing to listen to a demon when she appeared in season 3 when neither brother had any reason to trust them. And let's not forget Amy Pond who was also brought out of Sam's history as a beloved friend that had never been mentioned but drove a wedge between the brothers just the same.

And Mark Sheppard said that Crowley would naturally gravitate towards Dean because he was an obvious leader. Yup! I read it on this very forum.

Agree so much. Benny was immediately mistrusted by fandom (aka Sam stans) because they didn't want him to turn out to be good and they desperately wanted Sam's (irrational) distrust to be justified. They hated that Benny died being a good bro and still blame Dean for having the audacity to cherish their friendship. Complete and utter BS; Benny deserved better.

Add Davy Perez to that, aka "I didn't watch 1 episode before I got this job!" and totally drunk Dabb's anti-Dean koolaid.

Karl & Jensen! 😊

Love this point. For all of the codependency in their relationship Dean was always shown to be able to function without Sam. Sure he obviously missed his brother, but he accepted the situation and moved on. He was even capable of working with another partner which was evident during his hunt for Raphael with Cas during season 5. Sam went on without Dean, but his life always looked bleak and empty as shown in season 5, season 8 and in the finale.

Thanks for the link!

While also gleefully erasing everything that the previous showrunners did that was vastly superior to the dreck that he churned out.

I wonder if he will have an advantage since he was born a supe while Homelander was injected with Compound V as a baby. Has the show talked about natural born supes as opposed to the ones that received V as a child? I can't recall.