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Ottermommy I tend to watch shows til the bitter end just to see how things end up. Towards the end of the X Files I wondered where my favorite show had gone but like a car wreck I had to see what transpired. Luckily it gets a chance to redeem itself with the reboot which Grimm sorely needs right now *sigh*

I'm wondering about this also. I hoped that Meisner would ally with Nick since he knows he was in the warehouse with Chavez & has her phone as well as working under Renard. However, due to what we've seen them doing to Truble I'm not sure he's someone Nick would want to be in alliance with. I hope she's not there under duress as a part of a trap for Nick.

This ep was verrryyy tedious. I didn't care about any of the characters in the main storyline; the most exciting part of the ep was when Truble appeared (yay!!). I'm still neutral on Nick and Adalind; I like them as individual characters but I'm not sold on them as a couple which is obviously where they're headed. My passiveness towards Adalind is largely in part to my boredom when Juliette is on screen.

The eps were Lucky & Penelope. He played a convincing bad guy; charming & sociopathic at the same time.

I liked this episode. We don't get many Rosalee and Monroe centric eps so this was a treat for me. I kinda felt bad for the foster kids; they seemed very genuine in their desires for a mother with the exception of the "leader" who was a bully & a brat. That being said I'm glad it didn't end with Monrosalee cohabitating with a house full of kids. Glad to see Nick and Hank back together; I was afraid the temp partner would stick around for a bit. I'm still neutral on the Nick and Adalind situation mainly because I like this show and I'm willing to see how the redemption & Juliette's inevitable return is played out. I'd rather enjoy what I like & ff through what I don't like as opposed to complaining about what I know I can't change. At the end of the day it's just a tv show *shrugs*

krimimimi your entire post is gold. I too love badass Annalise flaws and all & I'm hoping for a Frank & Bonnie meet Annalise ep soon. We've been given info on the reason for Bonnie's loyalty but I really want to know what brought Frank into the fold. And Wes is a tool & I want him to go away. Promptly.

I totally agree. She seems more sincere and happy with Eve. I'm thinking that the fact that they were involved when they were young students before life hardened Annalise even more than she is now could remind her of happier times which results in the easy affection that she shows when they're together.

Annalise's actions and motivations may be beyond the pale but she's still more interesting to watch than any of these other characters. Bonnie and Nate can have a seat; pushing blame on Annalise doesn't erase what they've done. Connor was one of the more interesting characters last season and now he bores me whenever he's on screen; Oliver is the more interesting partner of that twosome. I do hope that he's not killed off; of all of the characters in turmoil we've seen so far he's the only one that hasn't deserved it.

OtterMommy where do you get your info?? I'm a sucker for spoilers but my digging hasn't unearthed some of the tidbits you've shared.

Agreed, OtterMommy. Nick spent the latter half of the 4th season getting the crap beat out of him both mentally & physically. Losing his mother, his girlfriend (who tried to kill him repeatedly!) and getting shackled to his enemy for at least the next 18 years doesn't scream "winning" to me.

JasmineFlower I applaud your entire post. The Keating 5 (or rather 4) have barely acknowledged the fact that Annalise is the entire reason why they aren't behind bars. Although it's obvious that her main motivation to cover for them is because Wes is involved (God knows why she cares so much about him) she could have easily put them behind bars and went on with her life sans her despicable husband. I've been waiting for her to call them out on their behavior while she's been covering for their asses and she didn't disappoint. Regarding Connor I also don't think he's suddenly gained a conscience. He's aware of how things could go crashing down around them and he's acting out of self preservation, not morality. I guess it's easier to get behind a character with a pretty face *shrugs* I like Oliver and I hope he won't get dragged into Connor's mess, although the mess stems entirely from Wes and Rebecca ( I loathe them both!!) Also, I loved Frank this week !

Despite her (many) flaws I love Annalise. Yes, she's ruthless, conniving & at times heartless. She walks all over those who are loyal to her & enjoys destroying those that she deems to be her enemies. The reason why I enjoy her so much is because we've seen countless male characters written with these traits & we applaud them; we rarely see women written this way. Some may call her a bitch; I call her awesome. Sleeping with Nate whose wife is dying of cancer? Nate has more reason to feel guilt than she does, and it doesn't seem like he's feeling it that much. She's mean & cutting to Bonnie? She'd doesn't show Frank much kindness but he rolls with it; after being with her for a while Bonnie should have a thicker skin. I could go on but I don't want to bore anyone; she's flawed but I like her just the same.

OtterMommy your spoiler gives me hope for the new season! Since Wu is now in the loop hopefully we'll see more of Nick familiarizing him Wesen cases with Monroe along for the ride.

My wishlist for the new season would be more of "Nick the Grimm" and less of "Nick & His Angsty Love Life". I want to see what the show was in the beginning and less of the soap opera nonsense. From reading various interviews from the showrunners I know that Nick is Adalind's baby daddy but I don't want to see any romantic, cutesy moments between the two of them. I'd rather see Nick hook up with Truble than with Adalind. And I don't want to see that either!! *sigh*

This is what I was hoping as soon as he appeared. Considering he was basically working for Renard and the Royals that they were actively trying to keep Diana from are dead I don't see a reason not to reunite Adalind with her daughter. Nick can be a father to his child without there being a relationship between them. I don't mind Adalind as a character but Nick/Adalind would be totally absurd given their history.

So true! These writers looovvee to drag out a story!

I'm really hoping Truble is a regular next season. After the ending it looks like she may be getting story arc of her own. Also with the King dead maybe we'll get some closure on the keys and Renard's mother can come out of hiding.

Are you referring to the comics or to XMen: The Last Stand? If it's the movie wasn't it Wolverine that she asked to kill her?

See! I'm not going to get my hopes up. If she survives I hope like hell Nick doesn't take her back after the crap she put all of them through. And no "it wasn't really me!!"

Well after the horror that was the "Juliette the Hexenbiest" storyline I hope she's really dead. Unfortunately when you factor in how gleeful the actress has been about her current "badass" turn I doubt she's really gone or Bitsie is leaving the show. I'm gonna prepare myself for anger & disappointment when we see how she was saved at the zero hour minutes before she expired when season 5 premieres.

Meisner and more shirtless Renard would be great additions to season 5 :) Even without speaking she's easily more badass than Bitsie Tulloch seems to think that Juliette is.

I just had a thought: with Meisner back maybe we won't have to be subjected to possible Nick/Adalind pairing. Yay!

Exactly! They put the Siegbartes Gift in the darts that she was shot with right? I'm betting that something off the wall will happen like the poison killing the Hexenbiest in her but saving Juliette.

I was beyond thrilled when Nick took Kenneth out but I'm skeptical about Juliette really being dead.

shapeshifter perhaps I should have been more clear when I made my post but this was actually something I read online about this episode. Since it's already aired I didn't consider it a spoiler.