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This isn't about black vs. white or gay vs. straight. It's also not about privilege, although if you want to talk about privilege, let's talk about Rayna bring up how Heather used the word every time she got any kind of criticism and/or broke out into tears. And let's talk about how when what went down with Heather was not given proper context. Respectfully disagree that it's okay for Rayna to use the word. IMO, it's a vile, ugly word and shouldn't be used by ANYONE. Frankly, it's equal to a parent telling their child not to curse and punishing the child for cursing while every other word out of their mouth is cussing. EXACTLY. Thank you.

And you know that Eddie falsely accused Rayna of saying the word how? I'm not a fan of Eddie's but I don't see him bringing that up without a very good reason (i.e., it actually happened.) Heather took responsibility for what she said. Multiple times. Did Rayna? Or is it okay for Rayna to use that vile word because she's black? Why wasn't Rayna held to the same standard as Heather or anyone else? Wes definitely did not deserve the treatment he got from Rayna -- which was racist, IMO -- but I wager he'll never get an apology from her because she's incapable of admitting she's wrong.

Rayna can fuck right off and Andy along with her. This was nothing but a showcase to demonstrate why Rayna couldn't tell Heather why she was so upset - because she might be portrayed as an angry black woman -- while simultaneously telling Heather that she forgave her and then continue bringing up how upset she was all season. Complete bullshit IMO. I didn't even finish watching the entire thing because I was sick to death of the Rayna Show. Was Eddie on the same boat the rest of us were because he claimed never to have seen an issue with Rayna's drinking. Umm . . . maybe the fact that she was angry all season long and then crying when she was given props? Pretty convenient that Eddie claimed that Rayna said the homophobic "f" word when she was drinking and yet production couldn't seem to find any footage. I call shenanigans. Wes came off very well -- and he doesn't owe Rayna jack. I would rather have heard more about Rachel's food and her school bus. After this season, I may be out with BD.

Typical deflection from Rayna. She's a garbage human being. I hope never to see her on my tv again.

Eddie did tell Captain Lee what Rayna told him, which was not exactly the truth. Heather did use the word but only after Rayna herself used it and Heather did not direct it toward Rayna or anyone else. The way Rayna recounted it made it sound like Heather directed the word toward Rayna. So no, in my book, Rayna had no reason to be angry with Heather.

I respectfully disagree that Rayna proved herself, while rolling her eyes, bitching and moaning about Heather, pining for Jake and/or crying because Captain Lee and Eddie had the audacity to compliment her in a way she felt was insincere. Rocky certainly had her own issues but being poisonous on a personal level is a perfect way to describe Rayna. She said in one episode that people often thought of her as an angry black woman. After watching this season, we certainly know why.

Regardless of how great a job Rayna did, it was all overshadowed by her shit behavior. Not just with Heather - getting upset over Heather using a word that Rayna used first, accepting both of Heather's apologies to her face and then bad talking her behind her back - but with everyone. She was disrespectful to Eddie, disrespectful to Jake, disrespectful to Wes and disrespectful to Captain Lee. She rolled her eyes, she had attitude with practically everything, and she bad talked coworkers behind their backs. And practically swallowing Jake's mouth whole in the car ride to the dinner was gross. She may be the most vile individual BD has ever cast, and that says a lot. I hope never to see her on my tv again.

And certainly not when you're first meeting the person. I have to wonder if it's producer shenanigans. Like maybe they were told to say something positive and then something more critical and the positive discussions were edited out.

So true. My ex was an incredibly handsome, good-looking man. And he verbally and emotionally abused me. Looks only go so far and a kind, decent, and funny person is much better. I understand not being overwhelmed with attraction at first sight, but Alyssa signed up for this show. She should have at least acted like a human being with a functioning heart. She should get to know Chris and give him a chance. NOT leave him sitting on a bench in the hallway while you go behind closed doors with production to complain about him and something he reportedly said. Evil heifer.

I think Alyssa made her mind up as soon as she saw Chris at the altar. She was very specific about what she hoped her groom would look like -- after crying over his thoughtful, lovely note. (And unless they edited it out, Chris was the only groom who sent his bride anything before the wedding.) I understand that we all have a type or types. And sure, you want to immediately be attracted to your MAFS spouse at first sight -- but when you sign up you should realize that in all likelihood, you aren't going to be matched with what you consider your type. Chris' groomsmen should have taken a page from Alyssa's bridesmaids, who surely know what a holy pain in the ass she is but were very courteous in talking about her to Chris. Ha! Right. Is Alyssa the life of the party like Molly was seasons back? Yeah, I can believe that Lindsay is the life of the party but not Alyssa. Look at how she was at the bachelorette party. And frankly, putting someone who is very outgoing and extroverted with someone who is reserved and introverted doesn't always work. Right? I mentioned that in my first post. I'm glad I'm not the only one who was annoyed. I always wait at least half an hour to an hour before I start watching MAFS so I can fast-forward but I felt like all I was doing last night was fast-forwarding through commercials. MAFS either needs to just go ahead and start the honeymoons or make the episode an hour.

Thank you, Lennie! I was exhausted when I typed this and I couldn't bother myself to look it up.

Did Chris' groomsmen actually meet Chris? Because I don't get the impression he's a condescending jerk. He seems very kind, thoughtful and gentle. Alyssa on the other hand . . . she's way too much into superficial things and all about looks. Massive fail on the part of the "experts," as that should have been a big old red flag. You know, like Lindsay seriously dating someone a year ago and Olajuan (I know that's misspelled, sorry) being a man-ho until COVID slowed him down. I have to admit I got teary when Michael's sisters gave Jasmina the breast cancer awareness pin and told her that their mother would now be watching over her. I hope those two can make it. Their bedtime cuddle gives me hope. I love Noi and Steve together. They seem so perfect. They were both so happy at their wedding and easygoing with each other - and very accepting of their new families. I'm really rooting for them, along with Jasmina and Michael. Don't let me down, y'all. I like Mark the Shark. He seems like a nice guy. Sweet that Lindsay's father and brother welcomed him into the family. I worry that Lindsay is going to exhaust him before the week is out. She's just too much. I hope she calms down now the wedding is over (and the open bar is closed) but I fear she likes the camera too much. Clearly Katina and O (can't spell it) are attracted to each other but I worry he's still very much a player. That grinding at the wedding was trashy and unnecessary IMO. Clearly Katina's mother thinks so too. Which couple will do the deed on the wedding night? Any of them? Has any MAFS couple that consummated the marriage on the wedding night survived? And just a note but if there hadn't been commercials every five damn minutes, this episode would have only been an hour long. I guess MAFS wanted to stretch the weddings out as long as possible. Bring on the honeymoons already!

This. The cheese may stand alone but since the incident occurred while the crew was off duty and out, I don't think Eddie and/or Captain Lee should have gotten involved from go. Rayna should have said something to Heather, which she did, and for which Heather apologized. That should have been the end of it. I hope this is addressed at the reunion, as well as the fact that Rayna said the word first and Heather was repeating what Rayna said. I am not a fan of Heather's but I'm on her side in this particular case.

Rayna is the WORST. She is bringing the morale and everything else down on the boat. Does she need meds or something because other than the first episode, have we had a single one where she wasn't crying? Eddie is her supervisor but he's not her therapist. Neither is Captain Lee. I hate the word that was used but let's remember that Rayna said it first (and apparently it was perfectly okay when she said it) and Heather repeated it and now somehow Heather is the bad person. I thoroughly dislike Rayna and hope never to see her on my tv again after the reunion. Fraser can go with her, since he's just as catty and neurotic as Rayna is angry and critical. I don't care to see Jake again either. I don't understand the fascination there is with him. Honestly, this season has been a bust. I've enjoyed seeing Rachel's food and would love to see more of the St. Kitts scenery but Andy & Co. seem to think we want to see Rayna bitch and moan every week about how she's not forgiven Heather. I don't care. Other than earache Melissa on the first night (who was an absolute pill), these guests were delightful. So of course next week we'll have to endure guests that are terrors.

Rayna, maybe the reason you're called an angry and aggressive black woman is because you are, in fact, an angry and aggressive black woman. With Jessica gone, Rayna appeared to have picked up the Eeyore crown, but added anger to it. Enough already. I'm not Heather's biggest fan but she's apologized twice, both apologies of which appear to have been sincere. If you say you accept the apology(ies), accept and move on. If not, say you're not and let everyone know for certain that you're a massive a-hole. Am I the only one that doesn't get Jake? Heather says if she didn't have a boyfriend, she'd be on him, Fraser is doing everything he can to take a ride and Rayna appears to have been doing the deed with him by the end of the episode. I find him extremely unattractive and a complete fuck boy. At least Fraser had some semblance of self-respect to back away when Rayna was throwing herself at Jake. Ugh. Rachel continues to be impressive this season (and I say this as someone who did not like her at all last season.) She and Eddie are smart to not be drinking on the crew day off. Glad the primary ended up having a good time - although the thought of blending/puree-ing/liquifying everything is pretty vomit inducing (hey, at least they traveled with wire cutters.) I guess Heather's former co-worker (Kaylee?) will be Jessica's replacement. Wonder if she will cause some kind of friction with Heather and Fraser? In the previews, Fraser didn't seem too pleased over having her join them. How long before she too is running after Jake?

Tia and Nicolle's wedding had to have been the saddest trashy wedding I've ever seen. So they had three guests, not counting Deonte hiding behind the tree and the camera crew: Nicolle's mom, mom's girlfriend and Nicolle's stepdad. Why did they put out many (MANY) more chairs than needed? Did some folks who were expected not show? Did they get a deal on chairs? Were they for the other Virginia drivers of that road who drive their cars into the ditch a la Deonte and would need a place to rest? Nothing says klassy like dressing for your wedding in a park bathroom (complete with makeup table!) and then your new spouse having a throwdown with your former sugar daddy while you throw your bouquet on the ground and stomp off to climb into your mother's waiting vehicle to be whisked away. Yep, we can see that marriage is going to be an absolute DREAM for you, Nicolle. And of course Nicolle is back to calling Deonte and the damn fool is taking her calls. I don't get what kind of hold Nicolle has over Deonte (or Tia, for that matter.) She is exactly what would roll out of the Mattel factory if they ever came up with a white trash former inmate Barbie. I'm sad for John that Kristianna hasn't returned home but is apparently still in (said in a low whisper) Dubuque. I knew nothing about Dubuque before this show but if I am ever traveling through Iowa, I will make sure to avoid it like the plague since it is apparently the Ninth Circle of Hell. Also the Ninth Circle of Hell is Stan's toupee and whatever he's got going on with Grandma Tina. Tina, please get yourself a good haircut and color and run from Stan like Nicolle was running from Deonte on her klassy wedding day. I don't know you but I'm sure you deserve better. Your grandkids certainly do. So Lisa has found God. I'm only amazed it didn't happen while she was incarcerated. I have never before seen a baptism in a horse trough so there's something to scratch off the bucket list. Who's she sponging off now? Team Samuel. He's the smartest person on this fuckery of a show. And I LOVE the producers putting captioning in for Samuel that said HELP ME. No lie. So Brittany and Marcellino are now doing threesomes with Amanda. That's their storyline? Who cares? The acting was particularly bad from all three of them. I wonder how many small children Lacey scared while waiting around at Virginia Beach for Chon? I am so disappointed that Chon went back to that overBotoxed and overbleached sea beast. Dude, have some pride. Has anyone started a pool on when he'll be back behind bars? Because you know it's going to happen if he's back with Lacey. I did have to laugh over Lacey saying that she was going to focus on her kids, after Chon left her at the boardwalk, then proceeded to go home to her empty house, sans kids, because they are with her dad. When has she EVER taken care of her kids? And just curious but other than the baby, who is (allegedly) Shane's, do the three older kids have the same father? Do they all have different fathers? And where are the fathers? I have to think prison but I don't know the story. So Puppy was out of the pokey in a week? All that fuss and drama for a week, which is probably nothing to her or Amber. And Eric went ahead and took off to Vegas after Puppy got thrown in the slammer? What a prince. Every time I think I may like Amber, I remember how awful she was to Vince and then I start to dislike her again. So Ray groveled to Brittany and then she accepted the ring, but not as a promise ring, and he's going to buy her a better ring when they get engaged? Okay. I will grudgingly admit that I like Ray. He seems to be working very hard to walk the straight and narrow and I'll give him props for that. Brittany should slow her ride and be grateful for what he is. I mean, he could have six kids like Shawn, with a SEVENTH on the way. God, Sara is stupid. "We were using condoms and then . . . we just stopped." Well, gee, how do you suppose a baby is made? Honestly, she was packing her shit like a day after moving in with him, she knows her mother DETESTS him, she hasn't met his own Brady Bunch, she has barely been out of prison very long (I mean, long enough to get spray tanned and get her hair done but not long enough to work or anything). So yeah, get pregnant, genius. I have to say, I do look forward to Kelly ripping into Shawn over not only yet another engagement but bringing yet another child into the world. It should be good. Sara needs to take about a dozen seats over her newly found spine. I guess since she's got a ring on her finger and a baby on board she thinks now she has the right to get involved in issues with his baby mama and kids. Girl, you aren't working, you aren't contributing any money to the household so I really think you need to zip it about Shawn giving money to Kelly and their kids. And you also need to stay quiet about issues that you've been involved in for 15 minutes and think you know. Please watch last season with Shawn and then kick yourself in the ass. In the Shawn-Kelly fiasco, the only acting parent we've seen is Kelly. And since Sara got locked up when her daughter was six months old and her mother has been caring for her ever since, she really needs to take a moratorium on this one. What ever happened to Angela and Tony version 2? You know, that amazing couple where the guy fought her best guy friend and was ordering a bunch of shit on Amazon that was sitting on the porch of their double wide. Was that this season? I'm confused. I'd like to think that I will give up this trashfest but let's be honest. I'll be watching the new installment next month.

I hope Heather and Frazer are SLAMMED this charter. They constantly badmouthed and gossiped about Eeyore behind her back so they should be THRILLED she's gone. Way to go, Heather and Frazer! No sympathy whatsoever. I also am tired of Rayna's woe is me attitude. I get that she's pissed at/doesn't like Heather but she needs to add context to the story. I hate, hate, hate the word Heather used, don't care if it's in a song or what but she didn't call Rayna that or anyone else. It's still reprehensible IMO but the context does matter. I like Rachel much better this season. She really is a kick ass chef. I don't mind her cursing or language, so long as she's not directing it specifically at anyone. Jake is totally overrated. The previews have me confused. No way would go on a luxury cruise with my mouth wired shut. Part of the reason I go on vacation is to eat wonderful food so that would be a hard pass for me. However, were this the real world where maybe she and her husband couldn't get their deposit back or whatever, I would come armed with what I COULD eat/drink and not rely solely upon the one chef who is not only preparing food for the rest of your party but the crew as well and certainly didn't train how to liquify and strain fine dining. Soups are fine (and maybe even blending eggs) but otherwise, Wired should have brought protein packets, powdered mixes, etc. Major fail on her part (or producer-driven shenanigans) and her meltdowns are not affecting me in the least. Maybe she'll be like Delores last season and jump overboard. I also didn't understand the Pink Party. So everyone wears pink and they put pink balloons and streamers out and that's it? Why? If it was someone's birthday and that's their fave color, okay. But otherwise, why? I really think many of these requests (white party, pink party, 20 course dinner with wine selection, the crew puts on a talent show, etc.) are producer shenanigans. Not that I've ever been on a luxury yacht but I would think the crew is basically supposed to disappear into the background. And this is just me but if I were on one of those luxury yachts, one day of jet skiing and going down the slide and laying out and reading would be fine. But then I'd want Captain Lee to motor that thing over to another village/city so that I could get off the boat for a few hours and go exploring, sightseeing, shopping, etc. If we're allowed to discuss the previews they showed at the end -- sounds like Captain Lee said something about someone coming back and Heather looking less than thrilled. Is Eeyore going to come back?

I have more questions now after Erika's 'splaining than I did before. As my grandmother used to say, it's about as clear as mud on a foggy day. And sorry, not sorry, about everyone, including Ms. "Don't Call Me a LIAR!" herself, piling on the Erika Excuses Express. That train does not stop at my station and I will not accept any of this b.s. My mother did not raise a fool and there is nothing but foolishness going on up in here. Other than Garcelle and Sutton, nobody else did anything worth a damn in this bloated four-part Excuses Tour for Erika.

Now Erika is speaking of herself in the third person. Jeebus.

So we're not going to get into the snowing part. Because it didn't happen (i.e., A LIE) or snow is a euphemism for something else.

Being "a piece of work" is not a compliment down south. So the car story changes again. Here in my house, Erika, we call that a LIE.

So Rinna doesn't feel good about what she did to Yolanda. And Kim. And Denise. But she keeps right on doing it. Erika, you are a liar. No alleged about this. And threatening someone's family is not even remotely the same as someone calling you a liar. Kyle has spent the majority of this ridiculous part 4 looking scared shitless. Please let Garcelle and Sutton rip Erika a new one. I guess Crystal had her moment last week so she's back to being a little mouse.

Sutton for the win! Does anyone know when Rinna will be surgically removed from Erika's ass?

If Erika had come for me with that "keeping score" bullshit, I would have responded with "So I am I. Widows and orphans defrauded by me? Zero. Widows and orphans defrauded by you? Hmmm. Exactly how many are there, Erika?" She annoys the ever loving shit out of me.

Baby Jesus in heaven, WHY is this thing four parts? Because I have little shame, I'll admit that in the past with certain other Bravo shows and franchises, I would have been down for a four-part reunion because it might have been warranted. But here? Nah. The only real storyline to touch on is the Ice Queen. I really found Kathy to be a breath of fresh air this season. She's crazy AF (in a good way) and she doesn't take herself seriously, unlike most of these Hos. She has serious, SERIOUS money but she just doesn't give an eff. I would love to see her back - but she and Kyle clearly need some kind of therapy to address the fact that they both dissolve into bawling messes when speaking about their mother. And let's be honest - Big Kathy effed all of her kids up, big time. I think we finally got the answer as to why Kyle has her boobs buckled into that dress so tight - so they won't be stolen. I had forgotten about the break-in at their house and that her jewelry and Birkins were taken. Speaking of Birkin, I personally found that Birkin of Crystal's to be hideous. $95k? I think not. And it looked TINY. Crystal can say it's an "investment" all she wants but it's butt ugly. Is Andy ever going to confront Erika about her ever-changing stories about Tom's cognitive abilities, the rolling of the car and/or the break-in at his house and confrontation with the perps? Or are we going to act like we're talking about Erika's face and voice, which have changed dramatically over the last few years, and not address it? Garcelle is correct in that Erika is tone deaf. She's tone deaf about basically everything. You can be the rude, c*nty (her word) Erika Jayne when you haven't allegedly stolen money from crash victims and you are still allegedly happily married to a man who may or may not allegedly be suffering with dementia. However, if you are being accused of being part and parcel of a terrible scheme to defraud victims, theft of monies, and filing a fraudulent divorce action in order to hide funds and garner sympathy, you might want to rethink you social media image. If you don't understand that, you deserve everything that's coming your way. Allegedly. Dorit and Kyle should not have to apologize for that dinner. Everyone was drinking and it was funny because the story went from ridiculous to preposterous. P.K. wasn't wrong (and I think we all know that Mo was stoned.) Kyle looked scared shitless at the thought of Erika being angry with her. Wonder how much dirt Erika has on Kyle? And yes, Erika, we know you are keeping score because you're Mean Criminal (allegedly) Barbie. I have to wonder if this "Or WHAT?" thug persona Erika has been putting on is an attempt to keep the other ladies from asking too many questions or getting her personality out there before she dons an orange jumpsuit. Crystal, for once, actually asked a valid question. According to Erika, Tom was not only cheating on her for years with multiple women but, without her knowledge, has gotten her embroiled in a massive lawsuit. I don't care how "not right" he is or isn't -- I would be pissed beyond all measure. And I don't care what Erika says, we have an entire season of her painting herself as a victim. Didn't she compare herself to Jesus? (Or have I confused this mess with another mess of a show?) After she left Tom, did she ever once say that she was feeling better, her life was getting better, etc.? All I remember was the woe is me and how unfair everything has been for Erika. I understand that Erika was warned about saying certain things - or anything - about the lawsuit by attorneys. I get it. But instead of snapping at the ladies and being downright vicious to Sutton, she could have calmly said, "As I'm sure you can understand, I'm not in a position right now to where I can discuss what's going on. I hope you understand. As soon as I can, I'll have a discussion with you about it but I can't right now." And she could have said, "Of course I feel for the victims. They didn't deserve any of this." Period. That's it. As far as legalities go, she's not admitting any knowledge or wrongdoing but at least it makes her seem quasi-human. I did notice that when Andy asked her directly if she knew that Tom was embezzling funds from his clients, she didn't answer. Saying financial records were held at his law firm is not an answer. What is an answer is that she didn't answer it. So of course she knew, or at least had an idea things weren't on the up and up. I also watch Married at First Sight and Rinna needs to pop over there to see the f*ckery Michaela is dishing out to Zack in the form of true gaslighting. THAT's how gaslighting is done, Rinna. Not the crap you tried to dump on Denise.