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Reposting without a spoilery spoiler: Exactly. If 25 is too young, why did the "experts" choose her? 25 isn't necessarily too young to be married but Dom is most definitely too immature. What should have given the "experts" pause was that Dom herself didn't apply and her mother did for her. I think she was okay with Mac until first, she saw that he wasn't nearly as adventurous as her and second, that he lives in a basement apartment. Because Dom seems to be operating on a 14 to 16-year-old's level, it's like a teenager who loses interest in a guy based on the car he drives or where he works. She's incapable of seeing who and what Mac is really about. He may not be the greatest but she'll never know because she's out. On paper, Clint would probably have been a good match for her. He's older, established, outdoorsy and adventurous. Dom only wants a sugar daddy anyhow -- unless of course her mother told her she wants something else. Good riddance. I hope never to see Dom on my tv again. Chris and Nicole's housewarming party theme was super cute. Clint and Gina appeared to be getting along but I have to wonder if it's real or for the cameras. Maybe if Clint would let Gina trim and shape up his hair? Airris's cousin can miss me with her assessment that Jasmine is fake. If Airris listens to her, the relationship with Jasmine will end sooner rather than later. Other than Chris and Nicole, I'm thinking only Kirsten and Shaq stand a chance - a very small chance. So was the couples' potluck a producer gimmick so that everyone would be present for Dom and Mac to announce their divorce? (And can't they get an annulment? ) Mac was very diplomatic in saying that he and Dom decided together to divorce when it was clearly her decision - and she didn't hesitate to throw him under the bus. Interesting that none of the other couples mentioned seeing anything concerning (belittling, etc.) on the honeymoon. And while Nicole may be right for other couples to try to work it out, she needs to let this one go.

I think Frasier is not assertive enough in his position as chief stew and tries to be friends with everyone, as well as doing things himself that he should delegate and not following up on things he should. However, Sandy's taking him to task in front of everyone is wrong on every level. He is not the cancer of the boat. That "honor" apparently belongs to Alyssa, who I was wrong about. She has an attitude, which has become downright terrible since Camille was fired. Yes, Frasier should have put her in check immediately but that does not make him the root of all evil. I do think it's wrong that Hayley and Alyssa were lounging around and tanning themselves while Frasier and Tyler were working - unless I missed something. Tyler is a fantastic worker with a great attitude - but please NO MORE TWERKING! Katie continues to be a crash dummy in training. Loved how Frasier's mom called him Poppy. So cute! Will Captain Sandy fire Alyssa right before a new charter? Will Camille get the last laugh?

You are right. I completely confused the guests. Thank you!

Maybe I missed something -- and I probably did -- but if the horseback riding began around 4:30, why the eff didn't the guests have lunch BEFORE they left? In my part of the world, lunch is usually around noon. 4:30 is an early dinner. And while Faye can be annoying, I do tend to side with her over Jess on this -- and I like Jess as a chef. There should have at least been wraps/sandwiches/salads, something that was a little more filling than snackies to tide them over -- especially since the women were more than two hours late for dinner. That is unforgivable in my book. Rude to absolutely everyone involved. Your fellow dinner guests, the chef, the stews and the deck crew, who make their schedules around the time the charter guests have said they are going to have dinner. I understand that Jess is tired and burnt out, but you have two more days. Suck it up. Seth was nice to look at when he first showed up but Nathan is right -- dickhead. Although, unless the editing monkeys are at work, if Nathan is indeed turning on lights, opening doors, etc. while Seth is trying to sleep because he has the late shift, it is pretty effing rude. To be honest, just about everyone in this crew acts like children throwing tantrums. I was laughing over Lewis showing Seth the photo of Seth asleep in the crew mess and adding that someone sent it to him but he wasn't going to say who. It's not like you have a crew of dozens. Easy enough to figure out it was Kacie. Lewis should have just shown Seth the photo and said don't sleep in the crew mess. Enough said. But we must have DRAMAH. I'm not much for jumping off cliffs or climbing up the cliffs or falling into freezing water but the horseback riding would be heaven in my book. Norway's scenery is just gorgeous. The caves for next week are stunning. And it looks like they are equipped to allow for a full meal to be prepared -- although Jess will likely still have a meltdown. As emotional as Jess is, she does seem to turn out good food. Have there been any complaints from anyone about the actual food? The only thing I can remember is the hair, and that wasn't anything about the food. And as annoying as I found Faye to be in the beginning, she does seem very focused on giving the guests a good experience and she does try to communicate with the chef so I'll give her props for that. Wonder if there will be a reunion?

Bye, Camille! Happy twerking elsewhere. I was almost waiting for her to scream about "the lies! the lies!" after mangling "debauchery" and running off to people she thought actually liked her in an attempt to get them to commiserate with her. Rachel was a total boss in dealing with her. Exactly how every person on the boat should have dealt with her. I agree with @aghstthat so much of the "drama" we're seeing is producer manipulation. Based on the upcoming scenes, the new "deck/stew" is going to be someone that Ben actually knows and someone he's been exchanging nude selfies with. Suuuuuure. And don't be so quick to think that now you'll get sleep, Tony, because apparently Ben is going to be humping the new deck stew . . . just in time for Camille to return. Suuuuuure. Although it will be entertaining if Camille goes Fatal Attraction on Ben. I do feel for Fraser. As someone posted above (apologies, I cannot remember who and I'm too lazy to scroll), he's great with the charter guests but not as good as chief stew with the crew. I think he's very sensitive and he was being very genuine about not wanting to crush someone's spirit. I hope Alissa doesn't prove to be a problem with or without Camille and I hope the new deck stew will not turn about to be Camille 2.0. Question: so that white furry coat Camille wore on her way out, did a previous charter guest borrow that from her or did she lift it from him?

It was a rhetorical question, kind of like the others I listed. Does anyone really care about most of this crew? Alissa is definitely part of the problem; at the end of the day, maybe as much responsible as Camille. But I think Camille started everything by being offended at Alissa asking her to do things and then questioning/announcing to Ross and Ben (at least) whether Alissa was her boss. Alissa may not have been her boss but she was her direct supervisor. She's second stew and there is a pecking order. If she thought Alissa was being unfair (and I don't think Alissa was, at least not at first), Camille should have gone to Fraser. I think Camille did what she's done for years -- she griped and complained and thought she could skate by on her looks and flirting with the guys. I don't think Alissa had a problem with Camille until that started and Camille took an attitude because Alissa expected her to actually work and not act as if she were on vacation. Honestly, Alissa and Camille both made mistakes by not going to Fraser -- and Fraser made a mistake by not keeping an eye on what was going on. He's fortunate that Hayley and Alissa are both good workers -- and Alissa is lucky too because had Camille been a good worker, the decision could have gone the other way. I also think that if Alissa had brought Fraser in, as well as getting Rachel to give input (because Rachel clearly saw what was happening too), things could have been sorted out much earlier, and probably much smoother. But then we wouldn't have that Bravo drama. I'm probably one of the few that generally doesn't have a problem with Captain Sandy. She was absolutely correct that part of Fraser's job is to stop situations like the Alissa/Camille one before they get to the screaming in front of guests level. Of course Sandy is the same captain who knew that one of her deckhands in a previous season was drinking like a fish and showing up for work hungover and did not fire him so there's that.

If nothing else, Camille being fired will relieve me from having to watch twerking every single week. I feel for Frasier but that's part of the job. And Camille is lazy, disrespectful, and drinks on the job. I'm glad to see that attention was called to the fact that she is also drinking with alcohol that is there for the guests, not for her. I'm sure Tony will be happy she's gone as he can finally sleep through the night without banging going on over his head. Those guests sucked. I was happy to see them depart. Did Alissa have to be up only several hours after going to bed at 5 am because of the guest departure? Seems pretty unfair if so. Will Camille take her firing like a big girl or will she be like Below Deck Down Under's resident douchebag Ryan? Is Ben going to take out his grief over Camille's departure on Alissa? Will Ross hit on Hayley (since he's hit on every other female but Captain Sandy)? Will Katie just admit that she will forgive Ross his drunken man ho ways every single time? Will we all be back next Monday to find out?

Well, for the majority of this episode Camille didn't bother me nearly as much as she usually does because these guests were flaming assholes from the get go. Nothing is right for them, from the food to the beach picnic and I'm sure they will find fault with the Bollywood dinner. They are running the crew ragged and will most certainly leave a shitty tip. Alissa should know better than to engage and yell back and forth with Camille during a charter. Sandy needs to start knocking heads. If Frasier isn't sure what's going on when he's not there, maybe he should ask people who are. Camille needs to get a pink slip. She has a bad attitude and she's lazy. She acts as though part of her job is to be on vacation. Girl, bye. Katie, go ahead and let Camille take your pride while she's leaving. You clearly have no self-respect. Of course Ross is out of the doghouse. He always will be because you will always forgive him his terrible behavior, even after shooting death glares at him and proclaiming that you are done. You're not and Ross knows it. Ben is clearly in line for getting his heart broken. Not a good idea to dip your pen in the company inkwell. Oh, and in case I haven't already said so, these guests are massive assholes and I cannot wait for them to get off the boat.

I'm totally down for this new BD franchise. Have never been to Norway but not going to lie -- after watching this, I checked to see how far of a flight it would be for me. I absolutely appreciated not having the whole "meet and greet" thing that is usually shown. Waste of time, IMO. Just get down to business. Kerry is clearly no-nonsense a la Capt. Lee. Has the Aussie accent a la Capt. Jason. Not hating it. So far I can't keep the deck crew's names straight. Hopefully I'll get it this week. I do remember Kyle though because he's an ass clown. Don't understand why Oriana (?) the dark headed stew would go from being a chief stew to a second or possibly third. And she gets sick just before the charter guests arrive? Drama! She and Kacie don't like each other. Drama! I will say Oriana (?) does come off like a know-it-all. Faye seems competent, I guess, but I don't think having your makeup and hair done is a priority. Sure, you should look put together but I think good meal service is more important. I do like Chef Jess so far. She seems cool so far. Hopefully she won't disappoint. I will never understand why some of these charter guests come on board as if they're pregaming for Nascar or like sailors on leave. You're in Norway, you're on a luxury yacht that costs a shit ton of money. I'd want to be clear and levelheaded to enjoy all that -- and the food! I was starting to feel queasy with all the different drinks and type of alcohol they were downing. Ugh! At that rate, I think the ship will be out of liquor by morning. I can't wait to see more of Norway. So, so gorgeous!

YES, Jamie Lee!! Hail, Queen!

Good point. I guess the rule can be changed since Lestat was so offended by his off-tune singing. While I thought this episode was excellent, I am borderline despising Lestat. I just find him disgusting. He's so smarmy and clearly such a con artist/user type I just can't with him. I do like Louis though. I never read the books so I'm hoping that Louis eventually kicks Lestat's ass. Daniel is brave. Even if Louis hasn't attacked and killed someone since 2000 (and the joke Daniel made about that was pretty funny), he's still a vampire. ETA: It sounds like Lestat has been a vampire for a while. Has he not turned anyone else? That seems pretty hard to believe, especially since he obviously adores Louis being dependent on him.

If Rinna does get cancer because of holding in the trauma and PTSD that Kathy so obviously caused her, will she get her results at Chili's like Kim Zolciak?

Can anyone recommend a good lawyer because, per Rinna, it was Kathy Hilton's fault I was diagnosed with cancer and therefore I need to sue. Who says we don't learn things on these RH shows? Why is Diana always dressed like she's attending a tribute event to Marilyn Monroe? If Asher clicked his heels together and said "there's no place like home," would he be transported to Kansas? And if so, will he take Diana with him? I am still laughing over Erika thinking her fame far eclipses Kathy Hilton's. Maybe Botox and hair dye are eating away at her brain cells. Amazing how afraid Kyle is of her "friends." Garcelle looked amazing this episode. I would have loved to go to her bag party - although I certainly can't afford a Birkin or a Kelly.

Garcelle on WWHL is everything. I absolutely love her.

What is Erika wearing? At first I thought she was going for Statute of Liberty if the Statute of Liberty had a bad wig, was unsympathetic and suffered with vocal fry but whoever said Maleficent nailed it.

If Rinna is traumatized, maybe she now knows how Sutton and Denise feel/felt.

Sheree sucks for signing her name to Garcelle's gift to Crystal. I had that happen to me once and it pissed me off. It pisses me off now. I love the 1920s theme. Hopefully all the ladies bring it. Erika is a complete ass. Never was there more truth in advertising than when she wore her c**t necklace.

Natasha is quite possibly the worst chief stew I have seen on any of these BD shows, and I've seen them all. Given the competition, that's a big accomplishment on Natasha's part. Yeah, sure, she serves up meals to the guests and brings out "Stephen" with very poor timing. But otherwise, she seems to spend the majority of her time texting, gossiping with Kyle, and somewhat delegating. If the captain needs to tell you that one stew can serve the guests drinks while the other does clean up, you really shouldn't be in charge. Kyle is nearly as bad. He's good with the guests but appears lazy. He spends too much time yakking it up with Natasha. I know a lot of people don't like Jason but I do feel bad for him. It would be bad enough to know your coworkers didn't like you in a M-F 9-5 situation but while working on a boat? Ugh . I think Storm is a good bosun but just doesn't know how to address/handle Jason. I agree with another poster upthread that Courtney (and Mzi to a lesser extent) are making digs at Jason for drama. I too hope that Storm's sister doesn't see him admitting he bought the watch for her before deciding to give it to Natalya.

To piggyback onto other posts, I think it would have been a great plot twist to have had JA send Olivia a telegram that Joel was dead/missing and sent Joel a letter reportedly from Olivia that was all about hell and brimstone and being a big fat sinner. JA was already isolating Olivia, so it's not like she would have been chatting up Nella about it. That would also lead into Joel's reappearance later on and why his personality was so markedly different. As far as he knew, his mother completely abandoned him after shaming him about his lifestyle. I was very disappointed in My Sweet Audrina (the movie). The book was so gloriously trashy. I think if they had done a multi-part series (and with The Origins writers) they could have made it work. I think the Cutler series was fairly decent but after that, I just didn't care for Neiderman's Andrews books. I did read SOY and GOS and thoroughly enjoyed them both. I haven't read the books that were supposedly Chris' diary because Cathy never mentioned that Chris kept a diary, not even in passing, and it seems like after 3 years of living together in one room, plus the attic, she would have noticed. Never mind the logistics about how some girl years later would find the diary, having somehow survived the FH fire and years of exposure to the elements. Honestly, if Neiderman wants to retcon and make Chris keep a diary, then just write the diary from Chris's point of view at that time. And I never even thought about reading a book in which Cory survives. That's ridiculous. So even if Corrine managed to sneak him out by dumping him at a hospital (I think that's what the synopsis was), she was just going to let him be taken by another family? And lie to Chris, Cathy and Carrie and let them mourn and believe Cory was dead? And leave them to wither away in the attic? Just no. Of course this completely ignores that fact that in POTW Cathy not only went back to the attic but explored elsewhere and found the odor and Cory in a trunk. From what I've read via other reviews, supposedly it was a dead animal but I would think Cathy would be able to tell the difference between a dead animal and a dead human body (I would also assume that if Cory had been left in a trunk in FH, he basically would have mummified, so again, you'd know it wasn't an animal.) I did read the first book in the series about Malcolm's mother Corrine and I was thoroughly disappointed. Most importantly because Neiderman absolutely demolished the character of Garland, which I am NOT here for. But the story itself was boring and pointless. There was definitely potential going back to the OG Corrine and Malcolm but it was frittered away. I think the Andrews estate needs to consider some new blood because Neiderman is turning out something like 3-4 books a year, which is insane. They just feel like cash grabs, riding on the tail of V.C. Andrews instead of doing her legacy justice.

Well, up to this point I could watch episodes a week early but now apparently, I can't (although I still can with Below Deck Down Under.)

After reading everyone's posts, this is what I wish had happened in Episode 4: After JA had given Olivia the Bible, saying she could find salvation there (paraphrasing), they cut away to go to Christopher and Corrine. I would rather have seen the passing of time by the addition of the children and in family photographs. We could have shown Christopher and Corrine celebrating an anniversary and could have Christopher come home to Corrine in a new dress and/or new furnishings in the house and while he tells her it's okay, we can see a concerned look on his face. I also wish they had shown Christopher leaving work on his birthday to hurry home to his party and then we see the accident about to happen. It should definitely have had more of an emotional punch for the viewer. And I think it would have benefitted to show the aftermath for Corrine and the children. Then we could go back to FH and find Olivia overly religious and still have the scene in the chapel with JA. I think the religious overdrive would have sold more if we'd seen less. We definitely need a second "season" to reconcile the Corrine we did see with the Corrine who would poison her children. I would also like to see how her relationship with Malcolm evolves, with him being incapacitated. Maybe she very quickly charms him and becomes a loving caregiver (unlike Olivia). Would that make Olivia resentful and then she would turn that resentment to the children? I'd like to find out.

Very well put.

Interesting points. I cut Olivia some slack with regards to Alicia -- and I cut Alicia a lot of slack -- because I think both women were traumatized by Malcolm. They both knew he had been raping Alicia and they both knew he had killed Garland. While Alicia could have taken Christopher and left and outside of Virginia, most people wouldn't know her husband died before Corrine was conceived, I'm sure both she and Olivia knew Malcolm would never let that happen. He made it very clear he wanted a daughter and no matter how events conspired, he was going to get one. Alicia couldn't have been more than 21 at the time and she had no skills and no money. I would guess that Olivia didn't know about Garland's will, where the fortune was to be split 50/50 between Malcolm and Christopher. I also think that for Olivia it wasn't so much being wealthy and being a Foxworth, it was that she didn't have anyone else. She had no other family besides John Amos. John Amos and Malcolm should have been besties. They were both disgusting.

And therein is the problem, at least IMO, with not having JA at FH before Corrine runs off, as was in the book. If JA had been there, we can certainly assume that he would have been telling Olivia what a complete sinner Corrine was - and he certainly would not have liked Christopher (evidenced by a kind of throw-away line where Olivia mentions that Corrine and the children were left destitute and JA says something he could see Christopher being a gambler - with absolutely zero evidence.) At that point, Olivia might have humored his religious zeal but after Christopher and Corrine ran off together to marry, and choosing to do so after knowing their true relation to each other, JA's religious fervor might have gotten Olivia's attention. After all, she had just helped Malcolm bury Mrs. Steiner on the property; she would have been an emotional mess after that - never mind adding seeing Christopher and Corrine being intimate together (and WITHOUT LOCKING THE DOOR.) Had JA remained at FH, as he did in the book, and without the creeping on Olivia, I could see JA being the one to tell Olivia that the children needed to be locked away, that their evil needed to be hidden so it didn't spread, that Corrine had to be punished, etc.

Your post made me think too -- when Olivia was climbing the stairs just before discovering Corrine and Christopher, she said (paraphrasing) she had sacrificed everything so that her children could have the type of life she did not, could not have. Although she loved Corrine, maybe deep down she was resentful because despite making sacrifices for her, Corrine lied to her and chose to run off with a man she knew was her half-brother. I know it was portrayed differently here but I'm fairly certain in the book, it was Olivia's decision to allow Christopher to come stay at FH, not Malcolm's. That's why Malcolm could blame Olivia for what eventually transpired between Christopher and Corrine and why Olivia likely felt a lot of guilt and anger over it. Maybe Olivia had some sort of mini-breakdown, what with the religious overload, then finding out what a true creep JA was -- and she had invited him in her home. Maybe she went back and attributed it all to starting when Corrine and Christopher ran away. Anyhow, another limited series might answer the questions! Me too. It was stunning. Maybe I missed it but after Malcolm's "accident," did Olivia freshen the place up? It certainly looked like it to me. (At least until under JA's warping, she then burned everything.)