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Joshua was just ridiculous, always whining about Nick, and projecting onto the others the intensity of his gloom over Nick's presence. He's judging (constantly) that there is 'nothing good about this guy.' But who's he to judge? The 'show' is supposed to be focused on getting Kaitlyn a husband. It's not a GAME with strict rules about who's allowed to 'play' after it starts. This is about getting her what she's looking for in a guy -- for 'Life" -- and while Joshua may understandably not like that SHE's not made up her mind and wants to include someone she's somewhat interested in, his hostility toward Nick is overblown. Not unlike the palpable hostility (well, overflowing hostility) Andi showed when she had to look at Nick in the 'After' show when she seemed to detest the idea of even having to say hello to him and look his way on the traditional public After-show (I've never seen such a truly cold person like Andi on the show as a lead and was not unhappy when Josh broke up with her). And I understood Nick's discomfort and puzzlement at the time. I think a reason Nick does so well with the leads during the show is that he talks to them the way a 'friend' would, with natural language and questions, rather than using the formulaic words given the contestants by the show runners. Shawn was answering her questions while Joshua was focused on doing nothing but griping about NIck's presence (which was due to Kaitlyn and/or the producers) and J showed no interest in Kaitlyn herself, while Shawn definitely does. He didn't exaggerate to say ALL the other guys felt as he did.

In his two public stage appearances, I found him sort of fey -- many definitions of that but the Free Dictionary gives, "Overrefined, exaggerated, or affected:" and looked like a young boy overdoing the gestures in a school play. Has a good spirit, but just comes off unnatural to me in his movement - self conscious and seeming to love being the center of attention vs most of the other guys (except Ian who for some reason fancies himself a good singer) and not really so into Kaitlyn the way Jered, Shawn, or even Ian are. Re Ryan B. When next I saw him, he had no glasses on and he looks cuter with them on :-) Was sorry to see him go later. Seemed intelligent too and less into games the way some of the others are.

1. A screencap (and a half) of the video segment showing the guy's face is at https://twitter.com/GraceanneParks/status/609511735066673152/photo/1 I couldn't really identify it as Shawn, though there are similarities. And here's the (very brief) videoclip at the Perez Hilton site http://perezhilton.com/2015-06-13-kaitlyn-bristowe-bachelorette-snapchat-video-deleted-spoiler-abc#.VX9pxPlVikp The hair style and darkness of the guy's hair (maybe it's the light) looks nothing like Shawn's though. Nor his expression. Mainly, too dark to tell. Can't imagine Shawn having his hair touseled like that. He's a nice guy so it would be nice if they did have a connection.

This week some of the guys looked better to me. I've always liked Ian, who is attractive, natural, smart, and has a great voice and common sense. I -would- like to see him as the Bachelor. Shawn seems a genuinely nice guy and is very likeable, though I don't find him very attractive otherwise. Ben H., and Jared have both grown on me. And Jared not only looked great, cleaned up, but he was just very dear in his interactions on the date. I was wondering who the cute guy with darker hair and glasses was, and it was Ryan B., whom I'd not noticed before. Liked looking at him.

I think that if he really wanted to avoid marriage, he would have chosen someone far away so it would be easy to claim distance problems. Apparently Whitney visited him a few times on the farm during hiding time before the show's finale (and she said they got along fine while he implied there were some conflicts).

I agree with you re the reason Kaitlyn tipped over to BenZ right after the mention of his mother - the vulnerabilities and opening up thing. Others said he was using his mom or selling her and, although he's not among my own favorites, I think he's genuine re the impact of his mother's death and if I had to go into that idiotic panic room, I would appreciate someone like him for that. Jared's expressions often remind me of Brooks for some reason.

I agree it has to be a joke. No way would they 'promo' it and the clue is that Clint says that they became close when they were in the showers :-) Said with a straight face. Gotta love that.

I wonder if he'll eventually use the apparent fact that cheek swabs will show the original DNA... - A

He was really good in "The ides of March," the political drama in which Clooney played a governor. It was the first time I'd ever seen Gosling.

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I agree. I think he's beautiful and very natural, something we don't often see on this show. Good voice too.

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Exactly! I'd be serious about getting someone special but, for sure, not from this set of guys.

Then we saw later how Chris went right up to Carly at the end of the WTA and gave her a big hug, after what Britt had said. Here's the thing -- Chris S. wrote about Britt's reaction, which stunned him. WE know that she said to Chris, in FRONT of the other gals, including Kaitlyn, who had just received the group rose, that she did not want to bring him home to her family if she was to be seen as just one of 4 people. She didn't want to be seen, by her family, as 2nd, 3rd, 4th choice. That was a very TELLING thing to say -- she did not see the other gals as even possible competition, she resented the very idea. As long as she was the one getting the rose, that was fine, but no one else should get it at that point. This is a very serious problem with her mindset. It matches her statements in the Bachelorette show that NOT being chosen was something that she "totally did not see coming" and that she was "surprised." Disappointed, sure. But surprised? She never ever saw the possibility that Kaitlyn could be chosen instead of her? This is why people have some real problems with her attitude re being 'the one' even when there are 25 others. It's what people mean by "entitlement" issues showing too clearly. It's as if she doesn't understand the show at all. She couldn't even accept the hometowns involving 4 of the women, unless she got the rose each time, meaning the others could not really be in the running. She she said she packed her bags (it turns out that she didn't pack her bags and never did, though that was the rule before rose ceremonies). What Chris Soules wrote about this: Chris S. That's from http://entertainthis.usatoday.com/2015/02/16/what-was-bachelor-chris-thinking-during-britts-cringeworthy-confrontation/

Seriously, does "being in it for the right reasons" actually mean you MUST marry one of the guys or gals that happened to be chosen by the producers for a reality show? To me, that's insane. I admired Brad Womack for deciding against anyone from his first season. If you're really 'serious' about marriage and the person you choose, the last thing I'd imagine would be to be required to choose someone from the producers' set of characters who fill certain roles for an admittedly crazy reality show's season. You can hope to meet someone who does make you feel that way, as happened to Ashley H with that adorable JP but I don't think that's going to be a normal happening on this particular show.

I'd wait on that. Britt, when told she was not the Bachelorette, said "I totally did not see that coming." and "I'm surprised." What would give either of them such over-arching confidence in a situation like the craziness we've seen? What are the odds that if Britt had a way of 'staying on' the show in some capacity -- accepting Brady's invitation to 'date' with the show's cameras following them sometimes and of course the show keeping tabs on how things turn out and then filming them -- she'd say "No" ?? He's a singer, who is a horrible singer, although I kind of like his serious personality except when he glibly talks about how "Love" is always worth [whatever he said] which sounded more like lyrics to a song. She's an actress. Why would she say No? Britt has the physical resources to wind up, naturally, with a guy who's successful and can give her a 'good' life. I don't get that sense from Brady (even if I'm wrong). Something about both his singing and his way of speaking makes me think he could be a downer. So I'd wait longer to know that it was any kind of real long-term relationship discovered as you seem to see it. Actually, I would have been surprised, seeing the bunch of guys this year, if Kaitlyn had chosen one at the end to really marry. That would not have matched the way she comes across, but I believe Britt would have gone along with the idea even if she wasn't sure of a guy, because she says she believes the "process works" and she would be more compliant with contract stipulations or expectations and, of course, the good showbiz contacts the show can provide. I do think Shawn B seems a good guy although not that attractive to me. I thought Ian was great (very expressive eyes, nice voice and mannerf) and he winds up disappointed since he seemed very into Kaitlyn as a possibility and she is 'experimental.' I'd love to see him as The Bachelor.

Never hinted at -- but I've known people who were best platonic friends suddenly realize that's not all it was and then it's sort of killer, in a good way. Not a bad foundation either.

As someone born here and hardly ever speaking Chinese except for some basic food names with my grandmother (my mom's mother), I didn't think of these things much, but they'd be brought to my attention and surprise me and then stay with me in some way. I remember being on a bus, near Chinatown but in the downtown work district, when I had a pleasant conversation with a white American, who then 'complimented' me by saying, "You speak very good English!" And another pleasant white-American stopped me to ask me directions in Chinatown and then exclaimed, "I just love your people!" I remember looking around thinking, "These are MY people!" ... :-) I did think it was pretty funny. And I knew she meant well. These were better than being stopped in downtown San Francisco on a weekend by a drunk coming up to me saying, "Ching Chong Chinaman" at the time that I went for a walk to get rid of my irritation at reading Sylvia Plath's constant displeasure over looking sickly yellow in her own eyes (often) like a Chinese person, as she'd put it. (The Bell Jar -- I wasnot a fan.) I was raised outside San Francisco after age 10 in white Santa Cruz, where my sibling and I were called "chocolate bars" because we were browner, and while it didn't sit very well with me when I first heard it, I came to find that nothing 'bad' was meant by it. They were actually very friendly and treated us no differently except for that. But I did become aware that differences were perceived and I wasn't sure I fit some of the stereotypes. And a long-lasting negativity occurred in the early 1960s when trying to rent an apartment downtown and dressed in my best, I would be told they had meant to take the for-rent sign down and I wouldn't be able to afford it anyway. My white fiance worked in social work and was able to investigate this by going into a couple of these places with a co-worker, to be told yes, the apartment was for rent and the landlords were then fined $500 each. But it made me look at my skin coloring as a negative for some years after that,

That pic confirms (for just me) my initial reaction that she really reminds me of a young Meredith Grey in Grey's Anatomy...(the eyes and the expression).

Didn't his psyche make him "forget" that he killed his MOTHER and his dad? If he buried that and then, for the sake of discussion only, nevertheless felt guilty and worthless (without knowing why), didn't he just incorporate dad's personality (which knew no sense of shame and loved being evil to others) and activate it while away from his family? He became Tim to the Max for any idea that popped into his head. Was it Fluke who got to enjoy all the vacays away and became Tim, free to act out while away but with the connections and 'power' base that Luke had built (as mayor) when unaware of that special night? Well, I'm just trying to make sense of it all. I DID especially enjoy the eerie music used for the b&w scenes. And the writers held my attention despite Tim being a heavy, obvious stereotype. Tony Geary has been incapable of subtlety for a long time and I think he gets high (or imagines he is doing fine acting) when he finds an excuse to YELL with the veins sticking out of his neck. "Y O UUU D I D !!!!!!!" By the way, I'm on the West Coast and somehow I didn't see that last scene live so had no idea he also killed his mother (until I read about it here), and I just figured that they'd show on Thursday what happened during the time he said he couldn't remember... I wonder how many GH fans missed that last scene. I did watch it on Hulu Plus after reading about it here though!

Young Luke and Pat were both terrific. However, young Pat kept reminding me of Meredith Grey of Grey's Anatomy. They should use her for that someday. BH really 'got' Jessie Brewer down ! I remember Steve Hardy as more empathetic though !

It's in response to the theory here that Kaitlin 'won' only because the producers fixed it and that this was the only way that could have happened.

Another reason Britt was no shoo-in at all. Beauty really IS in the eye of the beholder, and people will notice when a lot of makeup is needed and sometimes what that means may be a prime focus and interest of the gal (and may indicate some insecurity, especially if she wears it to bed each night). Eyes are important to many ("The eyes have it.") and if that's so, Kaitlin's are much more interesting. If a guy doesn't like big teeth neither bachelorette may have been a huge draw. But the reason I think that Britt was not a likely winner that night is that she had only one chance to engage and interest 25 men, and that means she'd have to act the same with every one of them AND that they'd all see how she was acting with the other men. Imagine her acting -that- interested in everything each guy said. What we've seen of her has been over-the-top reactions to anything Chris S. might like or want. She seems to be 'On' all the time (and some think she is always just naturally acting). With The Bachelor, she honed in on one guy and he could believe that he was "the one" that enthralled her (with that heavy wide-eyed gazing into his eyes that she does). Imagine the guys talking with her and getting that treatment and maybe liking it and then seeing that sort of 'overdone' approach applied to all the other guys. I can't imagine how many hair flips would be involved. They then see this activity from the viewpoint of someone who might not like equal overdone interest in so many other guys. Kaitlin is more natural and understated. If she acted the same way that she usually does, with all the guys, that night, her approach would not tend to particularly worry any individual guy.

I remember only thinking that it wasn't relative to each other (who is whose 'sun') but that he was a star in others' eyes and in his own (deservedly, and I prefer Derek's warmth and kindness with others vs Meredith's Ellis-learned-coldness at first meetings). What I felt she was saying was that Meredith had to realize was that she should be the Sun in her own life and not look for that from another, not even her husband, though we are taught to do that. 'Good' women defer to their men when it comes to whose job and work is more important (at least when I was growing up), and as for age, I'll wager I'm older than anyone on this forum though I wish I weren't :-) All that does for me is remind me of what Shonda's faced in her life and what she goes overboard on, in all her shows -- women as superheroes, as the center of their universes (Scandal, HTGAWM) But to someone who was written as mousy as Meredith could be, and lacking in self-confidence (cowed by Star/Sun mother), I could see that particular lecture. As for rooting for either of the two, I don't know how we can, without knowing what he's doing, his state of mind. She's trying to justify their decision and to put a good face on it. And that's what Alex has been pointing out. There is a lot of hostility here over the idea that Meredith will choose to keep doing work at the hospital when she sees the need and not pay more personal attention to the children but I've always thought that for SOME children and some mothers, that could even be healthier depending how effective the carer or nanny is. The THING is that Derek is himself 100% working somewhere and not able to be with the children. But the hatred comes down on Meredith. She's the one, our culture says, who should just think of the children and pack up and follow Derek, THE actual sun who has the really star job and accept what she can do workwise in a hospital in that locale. But she's Ellis' daughter and Derek is what he is. The way the writing has gone, I find them both selfish, self-centered people quite often, with some redeeming characteristics. I like both of them, and both of them can be frustrating characters.