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I hated the trailer so much that I didn't watch the first episode. I inadvertently saw it last night, thinking Marvel was on and was going to turn it off but decided to see what it was like and found myself laughing a LOT, which is rare with the sitcoms these days. They do subtle things, very unexpected, unlike the usual predictable snark. Loved it when he protested that although he wasn't on Facebook, he WAS on Linkedin and was told to please not make it worse :-) Loved the writing last night, and the actors are terrific.

Re the doctor -- he just "returned" himself after being pronounced dead for years --- on Revenge the other night (David). Re the character, doc was headed back home to do his research on once-deads' blood features and wanted Maggie to go with him, but she preferred to stay and take care of whatever. The witchhunt would have been severely discouraged when apparently most of the townspeople had their own loved ones returning. Someone mentioned that the mainstream world outside decided the town was full of gullible people who would believe anything. ... Not particularly convincing an idea, with Internet sleuths galore these days. Grandma is definitely unsettling.

Did you catch her on Jimmy Kimmel one night when she was surprisingly in hysterical goofball mode? She was so funny and couldn't doubling over with laughter over anything and everything, Totally unlike her characters, so I decided she's a good actress. Very grim in 'V' though -- they never did have an ending for that series. It just disappeared. I remember her most for the scene with Josh Holloway in front of the vending machines in the last episode of Lost.

Yes to all of that. Glad to not be alone in enjoying this slow show. I'm in recovery from watching the speedy-shambles of Scandal. Revenge tonight - it's one unbelievable thing after another, and that's supposedly in a normal world where tons of people don't 'return' but now we have the somewhat gullible David :-) and a new arsonist/murderer without any hint of why in her past... Am on my way to that thread to read other reactions.

I love the slowness. And the mystery of it all. I like that there are no 'answers' about all of this already. That grandmother is formidable (or scary) but there's some gray there. And her mode of communication gives a hint about why her two sons wound up so lacking in communicative abilities. It seems more a look at all the different reactions or emotions people would have about loved ones 'returning' and there's obviously some kind of answer the writers have in mind, but the show's in its infancy (if it's allowed to continue), and I can't imagine the writers giving answers so soon. They're too busy setting up the contradictions, and the whole idea is to present a huge mystery! With one or two exceptions, I really enjoy the acting. I did think the writers goofed by writing Jacob's mother assuming he killed the bird(s), just because others were worrying about him.

If true, it would be a real negative for THIS show that those here are watching. It may be unfair to surmise that he seems gay but people are posting gut reactions, and the basis for any negativity you see is that if true (who knows?) that 'mindset' would be kind of inappropriate for a show in which a slot is being taken for a guy who wants to find a female partner. Why would anyone do that? -- for the same reasons others who may be of the straight persuasion and "for the wrong reasons" might -- to get modeling or acting jobs, to become a celebrity, to make money (like Sean and Catherine, for being Bachelor celebs). Whatever, I find Brook engaging, and he seems more interesting than most of the guys on the show.

Franco did save Michael from drowning down at the pier while Morgan stayed hidden behind some weird bldg, watching. That would probably be considered a Plus by the mother (if not Michael, who wasn't conscious at the time).

A much circulated story was that they'd dated before the show, but that's been debunked. What IS on the record, though, are Graham's words during an interview when the show was launched:: http://okmagazine.com/get-scoop/ok-originals/bachelor-in-paradise-graham-bunn-interview/

A lot of people have said she had every right to be cold to him because he had been "stalking" her and was furthermore just a wily, calculating guy who had focused only on "winning" and when he didn't get the 'prize' decided on revenge. But I remember being surprised when he was doing a talking-head moment and explaining to the camera what it was that he liked about Andi, and as he started to to list the qualities that impressed him, he got tears in his eyes and had a hard time controlling them. The same thing happened when he was trying to explain to his mother what it was about her that got to him, and his eyes teared up again. It happened very quickly each time. When she said that she'd wanted to see him happy because he always treated her so well ... it reminded me of the fact that men who are good to their moms (and vice versa) -tend- to be good to their wives. So I didn't buy the idea that he was just cold and calculating when it came to pursuing Andi. I've no doubt he wanted to win, but it seemed clear to me that his heart did get caught up in that special unreality of this show. When Andi came out and was so cold immediately, I was actually shocked. Most leads have known they should at least attempt to look somewhat interested in how their rejected F2 was doing. She treated him, in front of millions, as if he were some kind of enemy. Maybe she was putting that on for Josh's sake, since I can't imagine why she'd act like that -- but then she was probably remembering his reaction in his room the next morning when he said he felt she'd taken it "too far," and she tends to be cold when she's not being praised. As far as Nick goes, I always felt he was too boyish for his age but in their one-on-one talks, he just seemed more caught up in it emotionally than when I see someone like Arie or Jef who tended to come off as players, I thought. His reactions the morning she let him know (stealing his "Something didn't feel right") were so raw --and he was trying so hard to not show his feelings -- that I just found it really hard to watch. I'm used to viewing this show for 'fun' and as something no one can take seriously.

What I like about this board more than TWOP is that it's a better balance of snark and people actually trying to see the 'other' side of a situation. It helps me look at aspects I miss.

Yes, I saw that later when reading more recent notes and I wondered, "Did I write that too?" :-) It's nice not to be ALONE in my reactions.

Re "fiancee stuff" Maybe it's my age. I took it to mean that the heart was involved and that they were also cuddling and being intimate in the sense of emotional closeness. That's what fiancee stuff normally means -- it tends to indicate a commitment to the other person, someone you are intending to marry and the other person feels the same way -- otherwise there'd be no reason for the 'fiancee' status. In his discussions of this, he's said that he'd made it clear to her that for him, this type of togetherness had added meaning for him (because of his fear of relationships and commitment after being burned) and that it wasn't just sex for him. He added that he went into the FS with 'no expectations' that they'd have sex and that it wasn't necessary -- something like that. They had a sort of role-reversal when it comes to the sex thing.

Also, during the time she started to tell him, in his hotel room, that it was a no-go, the transformations in his facial expressions were hard to watch. You could see him suddenly realize, for sure, what was happening, but he didn't want to show his emotions over this, and that struggle not to show how he felt, while unable to hide it, would be A+++ acting in any film. That was very raw.

That reminds me of one of her earlier expressions of pique -- I thought that her choice of wording should have given the guys an added clue as to what to expect from her in any argument: -- "“If any one of y’all thinks that this is a joke to me… you can just say it now and you can walk your ass on out. Every single day, this is real to me.” Not an ultra classy way to caution the guys. She was angry at Eric and then decided to redirect that anger at the rest of the guys after Eric left.

Moreover, continuing with your thought, the person you expressed so much love for, publicly, despite earlier cynicism (and you could tell his feelings were genuine during and after the hometown dates), makes a point of saying "I NEVER loved you" in front of millions of people after weeks of such acted intensity from her and her several "once in a lifetime" proclamations after time with Nick. Way to go to make him feel as small and insignificant, like an utter fool and 'crazy' person in front of the millions watching. Why is anyone surprised that he would ask why, then, the full intimacy (when she knew how intensely he felt) in the Fantasy Suite. Fair question. We are not 7 year olds. It was an ugly thing to watch -- the cold demeanor upon just walking toward him. All they'd had were a couple of minutes in his room to let him know that the problem turned out to be HIM (of course) and how he overanalyzed things when she "just wanted" to "relax" and "have fun." So, she lay the responsibility in his lap, gave him no kind words as she did Marcus, Chris, and Cody (of all people) and expected him to just get over it. She felt that watching the show would make things clearer for him. Wow. What a prize she is. Good luck, Josh, in any disagreement you may have with her someday.

I finally realized who Nick reminds me of: http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/john-jeansonne/the-appeal-of-john-mcenroe-then-and-now-1.2979757

And it's not just that. He also ended up needing to kill his own father to end the general theat of his crazy dad to all. After a short lifetime of running from place to place with his only contact, his mother, who was rightly concerned that his father would find them, he was written as having to watch her be murdered by him and then to kill his own father. That's of course a background and life that would make a youngster who should easily know how to handle the rest of his life and have a scintillating, self-confident presence. We know one good thing in his life -- his mother taught him to read some good books, and that was the point of connection for Molly and Rafe. As a child without social connections always interrupted by his mother's feeling the need to move them again to another place where they couldn't be found, he over-valued that one good connection after witnessing his mother's murder by his father, whom he then killed. I don't remember even a story line about counseling for him..

Ben F. looks very happy these days. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2686896/Kris-Jenners-Bachelor-star-toyboy-Ben-Flajnik-dating-25-year-old-university-graduate.html

The articxle was more about "Snapchat" 'cheating' -- (media sites are all looking for an angle like that) ... The thing with Snapchat is that it's known for one feature in particular. You "snap a photo or a video, add a caption, and send it to a friend. They’ll view it, laugh, and then the Snap disappears from the screen – unless they take a screenshot! No evidence left behind. Photos are deleted by default. I followed a link in that story to this: http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2014/bachelorette-2014-spoilers-andi-dorfman-winner-josh-murray-cheating-ex-girlfriend-brittany-mccord-snapchat/ "However, what is interesting is the one person he interacts with more than Andi on Snapchat, is his ex-girlfriend Brittany McCord." And then they show some kind of image of the notice that shows the most-frequent contacts. IF true, I think that would bother me a bit if I were Andi. But despite what the story writer says, I don't see any numbers involved that indicate actual frequency.

An article on the payment amounts made to some bachelorettes and bachelors. http://thestir.cafemom.com/entertainment/174504/andi_dorfmans_ridiculously_low_bachelorette

And here's an Instagram from Brian, about Nick. Cute picture too. Apparently, Brian, Dylan and Chris are big friends with Nick at this point. http://instagram.com/p/psVoyJkwrK/

Just read this about Josh: http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2014/the-bachelorette-2014-spoilers-winner-josh-murray-cheating-brittany-mccord-andi-dorfman-nick-viall-season-10/

I don't know if there's any truth to a story I just read concerning Josh, from a day ago, but I'll post it to Spoilers though it would also fit in Media but .... it has spoiler subject matter...

Disturbed people who've not been able to make connections or bonds with others because of their circumstances (and Rafe's circumstances of always being on the run, with his mother, from her crazy ex who then killed her in front of him) will tend to attach strongly to the first somewhat attractive (whatever attracts them) person who shows an interest in them. Coping mechanisms will be almost nil and the result is a strange, annoying, bland, emotionally restricted personality. They'll also irritate most people because of their personalities, even to the point people may hope someone punches them in the face :-) as expressed here.

What do you expect out of the actor? He's playing a mostly lost soul, whose entire childhood was spent on the run with his mother, with no chance to form relationships with others his age, and who had to see his mother being murdered, by someone who, from what I remember is said to his father, and the father furthermore was under the delusion that he (the father) was a vampire and acted that out. So, just how is he supposed to act? All fuil of confidence? Does he annoy because he is so unsure of himself and his place in it? I think kids like this bring out anger in others because they are 'weird' and then a guy like TJ should "punch the hell out of him." No one is sure the kid pushed the car off the road. If he was high, he may have thought he did, or saw something he didn't report due to his drug-taking and what that would mean if he called the police. Phluke (for Phony) had a conversation on the phone with an underling to confirm that he'd done the deed on the road to give Spencer and any others a good scare to keep quiet. So, for now, Rafe may be feeling guilty about thinking he caused it or having witnessed something and not reporting it, since the premature baby died.