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But ... what about this, from Arie ? ' As Luyendyk confessed to Us, “The finale is going to be very interesting for fans to watch. It’s been an experience I’ll remember forever. It’s going to be fun for me to watch back.” ' "Fun" ??

The people you mention, who like her, happen to be some of the nicer people on this awful show.

Maybe Jo Jo was (as she was constantly doing on the series) confronting him about her usual worries that he wasn't as into it as she was and that she had reason to worry with all the tabloid stories about his scoundrel rep etc., and he knew she'd like a public declaration ?

Well, either Jordan is just laying it on super thick or somehow he means it with the following Instagram. Doesn't sound like something a jock would post ... unless he somehow actually means it and is risking ridicule by his macho sports friends -- even if he picked phrases from googling online ideas ... ?? :-) See http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/08/jordan-rodgers-post-bachelorette-instagrams-make-you-want-barf

He left to be a gigolo to the male Chief of Staff to the President of the United States in "Scandal." At least that's where I saw him soon after he disappeared from this show.

Gorgeous hubby too. Cute pic of the two of them with her older boy. http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/renee-oteri-welcomes-son-with-husband-bracy-maynard-2015151

All this really struck me too - but especially that she would choose this to complain about such a personal thing for him on a tv show broadcast to millions. (I can only imagine his mother's reaction). Then they both compounded it by his saying that they both pray at night in bed but that he prays longer and while she's trying to go to sleep (not a good sign for many reasons) but that she taps him to ask him not to pray so loud. ( ! )

I haven't read all 3 pages yet, seeing only the first 10. Red flags: When he first appeared he was happy that he found a woman "who supports me" ... is that what we want to hear first and foremost? *** And, at the end: ------ "You support ME, you love ME, you've been beside ME." *** GEEZES, can he say he loves HER for what she is? It's all about how she treats -him-. Otherwise, they look pretty genuinely happy with each other. (I turned on the program at 8 and then fell asleep until after 9pm ! :-) From 9pm to 10pm was not exactly scintillating! ) But I hope they do well, despite his concentration on himself and what she can do for him. "I feel I'm unloveable" (his mantra) seems to equal: "I've not been supported and adored the way I need." --- AND, re the Bachelorette: I posted once that I felt he was an ass to tell JoJo to open up despite her fears of being rejected just to have him tell her he loves her (when we know he KNEW earlier it was Lauren, as JoJo saw while watching). I wrote that I could deal with the show doing all this (extreme exploitation of F2) only if they had made a deal with JoJo to make her the Bachelorette in return for what they were putting her through (either for real or "for show"). I'm glad she's the one but now I see even more why Caila wasn't looking very happy or well at WTA.

A few have written about Lauren's sweet ways vs JoJo's more experimental mode. The Star, In Touch and other magazines have stories about Lauren's having had an overnight in the clinker due to over-celebrating -- and her sister who celebrated with her but not to the same extent, was a source. So, Lauren may be more "complex" than we had thought. There are other things discussed but they involve spoilers so I'm not linking to them but they're easily googled. Maybe Ben's mother picked up on something most of us didn't. :-) But maybe the stories are exaggerated.

During the WTA show, didn't she say that she was NOW in the reserves? It sounded as if this was more recent.

I had wondered if they did some test shots with her as they did with Arie when trying to decide (or to fool people) between farmer Chris and Arie. As for her face, she didn't have much make-up on and while, normally, she lets her hair fall over her cheeks, she had both sides pulled back in a severe look, and I thought those were possibly two reasons she didn't look "herself" as seen on the show. She also looked a bit down. I think it meant he qualified to be with the other 'great' stone-cold dudes of the past.

They mention she was seen filming an intro... and apparently they then confirmed it. Odd re the timing and no announcement last night though.

Here's a report on things that happened during the WTA that were not included in the broadcast. http://www.eonline.com/news/746829/the-bachelor-women-tell-all-13-crazy-behind-the-scenes-moments-you-didn-t-see-on-tv

Cleaning their rooms in their parents' home ?

I think no one would want to give Leah more airtime to reward her for absolute lies to everyone.

I grew up in San Francisco, which has a larger Chinese population than most cities. I'm Chinese (actually, Chinse-American since I was born here) -- and in jr high and high school, the Eurasian kids were termed "half and half" and that wasn't meant in a perjorative way, since so many of us had crushes on them because they tend to be great-looking. We even drilled down to "1/4th Chinese" if one of the parents was Eurasian. Even in my family, my dad's father apparently was born in Malaya, and I saw, in college, an anthropological map of the world with the Malayan representative photo having a nose just like ours, with a bump near the top and not flatter as is more common in China. So, it's hard for people to figure out what I 'am.' My family denies anything but 100% pure Chinese 'blood' which is another curiosity of the social scene. Was asked all the time "What ARE you?" and the Philippino lunch table group figured I was one of their own and would chatter at me in Tagalog which I don't understand at all. I like it, though, that no one can 'place' me in any sure ancestral-background. HOWEVER, when visiting Hawaii, as teenagers, my brother and I were thrilled that we were suddenly in the *majority* and we felt really good about that. We felt as if we 'belonged' (as opposed to moving to Santa Cruz and being called "Hershey Bars" by the {white} kids -- and the odd thing is that they didn't mean anything bad about it and they just meant to joke that we were darker than they were). But there is definitely more serious, generalized prejudice when it comes to 'blacks' or 'African-Americans' even today, in connection with interracial dating), so things can be very 'complex' for them when they're in a minority situation and we all know that the very white-focused TheBachelor is not likely to actually choose a black woman for the final proposal. This is just a reality and it's a hard one to face when you're one of those gals. So I imagine they all have more than the usual tensions around the entirely artificial situation of this TV reality dating show. 'Acceptance' is probably a tough word, with 'degree' being an important factor.

Also, at one point, during the hot seat interview, after watching the awful scene, she got teary-eyed and Chris Harrison said something about it having had quite an effect on her. So I disagree with the opinions that she was just acting. She seemed somewhat, for her, depressed, but also WAS paying attention to the stories of the other gals and showed some empathy. She actually listened instead of whining and attacking. It's probably fairly difficult to face a situation in which millions of people will see how badly she was rejected and totally surprised by it after she had been encouraged to show her feelings and 'open up' just to be suddenly dumped after 'complying' with his needs. He got what he wanted.

I don't know if she actually looks like her, but she has sometimes reminded me of Bruce Dern's daughter, Laura. It WAS nice to see some empathy from one of the women. Caila was showing some empathy at times too.

Leigh?, when Ben said that he'd marry his fiance tomorrow if he could, I thought maybe she's saying to wait because she's SEEN him in action with the other gals now. He "compartmentalizes" (he explains, or brags) and therefore can justify how cozy he can get with so many of the other women without needing to think about the one (or two) he "loves" because they don't matter when they're outside his current compartment, but she would liikely react the way most of us do. It's disquieting how well he does it. I do realize that they're not allowed to marry tomorrow, for purposes of the show, but they could do a private one first :-) but I'd tell her to wait a bit.

Ben may be sort of fumbling along in his handling of the feelings of the others, but I just find him amazingly smooth for a fumbler.

He already did it. He was telling JoJo how much he felt for her but then said he wasn't comfortable with her brothers. This could cause her to feel they "ruined" it for her. I said, while watching, "Oh, sure! Blame it on the brothers!."

When he started to tell her and she could see what he was going to say would not be great, and then he said he was falling for two but he couldn't say that to her, and he was fumbling along, tears started welling up in her eyes while she was listening. That was not eye-drop induced. Also, it was the first episode during which I thought she seemed most genuinely happy. She reverted to trying to be fake-upbeat for a few seconds. But when he said something like he'd miss her, she said, "That sounds like a line..." and then later, "You don't have to say that" about something else, those were very real responses. Saying "That sounds like a line" was out of normal character for her, and I said, "GOOD FOR YOU!" while I was watching. He is so robotically-nice.

I thought her question to Lauren was something about how was she feeling, but it came across to me more like "I hope it wasn't as good for you as it was for me?.." to confirm what she was thinking or hoping, while Lauren seemed to be noticing that JoJo seemed super happy about how the night went.

While I have been hoping Ben did not have sex with all three of them (though one can't blame someone for test drives for a situation as serious as a proposal for lifetime monogamous co-sexing, but I'd hope it would be between the two most difficult to choose between), a dress shown on the floor is meant to suggest some serious haste in unaddressing for, um, bed. I don't know about others, but although I'm not an especially neat person (at all), I actually don't leave my clothes on the floor when I go nighty :-) At this point, I imagine he did not do the deed with all three, but the producers want us to think so.

I saw Caila's tears and wet cheeks also. I think her giddiness when going to 'surprise' him with the camera crew following was actually genuine. Usually, I feel that she's faking the constant upbeat stuff, but last night her happiness seemed real for once, and she probably thought the camera crew was going to just film what she felt was a time.to celebrate. Re Chris Harrison, I got a kick out his reaction to Jo Jo's saying that Ben told her he loved her, his eyebrows went up and his eyes got bigger and his head moved quite a bit. But later, when Lauren told him the same thing, he was trying to contain himself -- the eyebrows went up just a little and he intentionally didn't move his head much, keeping the chin up but obviously biting his lip. I actually think he was surprised and thinking, "What do we have here?? GOLD, maybe!" He insists they did not know. CH has lied in the past, of course, but if he was acting here, it was artful. And how could CH wish for someone as 'good' as Ben for his daughter unless maybe Ben told him he kept the fantasy suite activity to intimate TALK. (This is possible because Ben is said to be a very church-oriented guy who loves doing good deeds for less fortunate communities.) I'm hoping the latter is true, because if he really did sleep with all three of them while playing the sweet, 'caring' guy, I'll think he's the worst kind of creep (which I'm feeling after the last two shows). Will be happy to be shown otherwise.