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If only this were true... I could so much more easily see Cayden James being able to acccomplish this than Diaz. Of course, I'd also have an easier time believing my cat could achieve everything in season 6 than I do Diaz.

Yeah, I'm not sure anything would have made it work but I think it being Iris and Felicity is the only way it would have had a fighting chance. Iris and Felicity's situations aren't identical but I feel like they'd come a lot closer to understanding each other's than Caitlin and Felicity realistically do.

Yeah, it seems to come down to either everything Team Arrow is doing now is pointless/will end in heartbreak or the this future is somehow averted so the time spent watching characters I don't care about/hate (I care about present Roy and William but not so much the future versions) deal with it is a waste of time. Neither seems like a good option and I really won't see another one because even if Oliver and Felicity are actually alive and well in the future, the city they worked desperately to save for years still went to absolute shit. I definitely feel like the went for the shock value of the flashforwards without completely thinking through the immediate or ultimate results.

I think the surrogacy theory is implying that Felicity lost her ability to have children when she was shot/paralyzed in season 4, the commenter just doesn't pay enough attention to know she was shot by Darhk's ghosts not Deathstroke (insane or otherwise) and chooses to ignore that her inability to have children probably would have come up sometime in the last three years if it was true.

Did Diaz destroy all of Oliver's clothes as some sort of bizarre attack? If so, I think it may be the most effective thing he's ever done.

One thing I don't understand is how Oliver taking responsibility for shooting the hitman worked. I get why he wanted to but the guy wasn't dead so wouldn't he have at some point mentioned to the police that Felicity shot him? I guess Oliver knocking him out could have addled his memory but it still seems like a less than excellent plan.

Hey, at least right now, Curtis could still die so there's some hope.

I definitely ended the crossover with the "Oliver, I don't know what your dumb ass just agreed to but I'm pretty sure I need your wife to yell at you" feeling.

I thought so too but the glimpse we got before it went glowy/foggy was so brief that I wasn't sure.

I can sort of forgive the Iris knew right away thing because the people telling Felicity that weren't there for the conversation that convinced Iris and might not know what exactly happened. It's still not true and was clearly done to add to the Olicity angst but if that gets us that last Olicity scene, I can live with it.

I believe Jay Garrick was Henry Allen's Earth-2 doppelganger, I assume Earth-90 Flash is too. Also because John Wesley Shipp played The Flash in the 90s tv show.

My biggest problem with Iris and Oliver's conversation about Felicity calling Iris while he was in prison was that Oliver seemed surprised that Felicity thought all this stuff. Oliver, what do you think happened seven months ago? Because that was a pretty accurate description. I didn't have a problem with Iris telling Barry not to come back with Oliver's personality because I don't think she hates Oliver or anything she just loves Barry. I assume Felicity would react much the same way even though Barry has a much more outwardly pleasant personality.

I find it sexist and gross too but I'm not sure it's even really the women who are held to a higher standard, it's mostly just Felicity. Dinah was on a murder spree when Oliver met her but she's now the (extremely self-righteous) arbitrator of justice in Star City, Thea joined forces with her supervillain father and that's okay, Sara participated in horrible medical experiments and joined the league and no one but Sara ever really worried about her 'darkness' but Felicity shoots someone who was trying to kill her husband (and presumedly her) and almost kills a psychopath who tried to murder her entire family repeatedly while destroying the city and you'd think she'd tried to burn down an orphanage. Oliver not wanting this for his wife makes sense but he should have thought of that before he put bulleyes on her and his son and then left them with only shady as hell ARGUS to protect them.

I'm not too worried about Felicity/Overwatch yet because I think here it was because Felicity's story was freaking Oliver out by changing/using a gun (the horror!) and I'm not sure how well that have worked if she was also being Overwatch/Old Felicity (not that it worked that well anyway.)

Is there some sort of lull in the constant wave of suck that is Star City? Because if not, designing/getting matching tattoos so you know can trust people you've already trusted for years seems like maybe not the best use of vigilante time. Calling it now, Star City went to complete shit because Oliver suddenly started wasting all his time on tattoo design and the criminals figured out the tattoo and got them too so the team had to trust them.

Watching it on youtube with the music stripped, to me it sounds like he says "I've missed you" but I'm not sure.

I know! I actually agree with a lot of the points in that article but that is just so ridiculous. She didn't always win against the villains (mostly because, despite her years as a member vigilante team/eventual status as the wife of a vigilante, no one, besides Dig briefly, ever bothered to teach her self-defense) but she was never a meek damsel waiting for rescue.

I'm convinced that they're so committed to the mystery of the ff that by the end nothing is actually going to completely make sense but other than a long con, the only way I can see William and Maya (if she's Olicity's) not knowing each other really making sense without necessarily making Olicity shitty parents is if Samantha's parents get custody before Maya is born/while she's a baby and William, who's already been abandoned/left a million times, interpets that as Olicity abandoning him and cuts off contact. It's still fairly crappy with a lot of plotholes but it might work.

The flashforwards are so weirdly inconsistant that I'm beginning to think Star City isn't that bad, everyone in the future is just really f-ing dramatic.

I agree but I think part of the problem is that, to Oliver, whether he loves her isn't even a question and then she followed that with indicating she isn't sure their relationship is good for her/she's good for their relationship right now and I'm guessing he shot right past reassuring her that he loved her to full-blown panic-mode. He's existed for months mainly on the hope of getting his family back and now his wife is seemingly saying that while she wants that too, she isn't sure it's possible and unfortunately, Oliver often seems to go goldfish mouth when worried.

Rewatching (because apparently I hate myself) I'm more okay with Oliver. I feel like he's more terrified than anything else. Terrified that, after everything they've been through, he's losing the woman he loves again, there's nothing he can do to stop it and it's mostly his fault. The somewhat goofy look on his face when she says she loves him more than anyone should love another person indicates to me that he's still fully in love with Felicity, whoever she is now but he doesn't know how to fix this. Oliver has always said all he wants is for Felicity to be happy and whether they stay together or not, it's pretty clear that this Felicity isn't happy. She's petrified and he (with fairly solid assists from their suckyass friends and Diaz) did this to her.

Especially since it was implied Felicity was an expert on the Longbow Hunters at this point. Of course, in order to know that, Dig would have had to speak to his traumatized, almost murdered friend about something other than his judgment of her (extremely logical) choices and it's pretty clear PodDiggle isn't here for that.

So true. I was pretty vocal about hating the previous apartment but they somehow found one that was even less homey. And judging from what we could see of the hallway, I think it may just be the loft set horribly redressed.

Right now, I'm not even sure I want Olicity to work it out. Part of me wants Felicity to be like "Fuck all these judgmental assholes!" and just leave town (but only if we follow her, I can't take any more of the Dinah Drake Hour.) She shot someone who was trying to kill her husband and almost killed someone who'd been actively trying to murder her, her husband and their child for months, this "Oh, my God! The horror!" reaction is infuriating. They're pushing so hard on Evil!Felicity to try and make the flashforward seem plausible but she's only doing what every other character has done a 1000 times for often fewer reasons so I'm over here going " Yeah, still don't believe this but if Felicity wants to blow up Judgmental Asshat City, I'm on her side!"

Well, that sucked. Reminder to self: when the critics wax poetic: be very afraid, suckitude is coming. I liked the first Olicity scene but that was pretty much it. It had about 2 billion times more Dinah than I've ever needed.