Miss Dee

LOL I guess with Legends such a title is perfectly in line with their ethos, so you can't really tell if they're joking or not!!

Dare I hope Nora is the Big Bad?

Yeah, that's what I meant.

I think it was supposed to be that tuba sound.

If this "optimistic dreamer" ends up being a love interest for Mick in the same season a "cynical bad girl" becomes the love interest for Ray: I am going to laugh and laugh and laugh. Laugh bitterly, but still. BTW, "laugh" really looks like it's spelled wrong when you use it over and over and over.

*sigh*

YES LUCIFER!!! ETA: Other than it would be Yet Another White Guy on the show (and I don't want to lose the three we have), I'd love it if Winn's recurring status was because he was joining the Waverider.

I nearly cried at the Lewis Black piece. Insane to think this is the reality in a supposedly First World country.

Just speculation on TV Line and Spoiler TV.

That's disappointing. I've heard it's because he wants to concentrate on his singing career...but still.

I'm so sad it's ended! This became a must-see show for me this year. I got the warm fuzzies when Angela Bower's comment about the car in the garage turned out not to be a sad ending with Colin, but a realization of how much Lucca appreciated having Maia and Marissa in her life. Only dangling plot line for me: did Maia's fiancée ever find out Maia cheated on her with that government missy?

Ray and Mick on opposite sides?! I'm crying already!!

So, that Legends poster...foreshadowing a "civil war", perhaps? All that's left is to turn them to face each other....

So now that we know the season is based on fugitives from the mythical realm, this is how I see the "civil war" happening: Constantine is adamant *all* these creatures have to go back - no exceptions. He's seen too much to afford exceptions. The human world can't take the chance. Nora, on the other hand, considers herself a "fugitive" of sorts and is just as adamant that the more benign creatures making it across the barrier don't deserve to be trapped forever with monsters the likes of Mallus. Cue the Legends taking sides on the issue, and you have your civil war and the potential for "betrayal" - possibly in the eye of the beholder only, if that. That'd be gut wrenching to watch, but as much as I love my happy little show I'm also in for any well done gut wrenching. Just as long as we get a happy ending...that's how fairy tales work, right? Right?

Fugitives from myths and fairy tales and legends?!! YAAAS, this is precisely what I was hoping for! So excited!!

No comments on Deadpool or Jamie Foxx? I loved both.

I'll help you.

I agree. I think the "regular" status is to secure his availability, not to put him front and centre.

The stupid thing is: there's no way they could ever hire anyone who'd keep the ratings for LW up! Maybe if they'd done what so many franchises do and kept the name while severely retooling the main characters from the getgo, they could get away with a recasting. Maybe if Wayans and Crawford had been kind of meh from the start, they could get away with a recasting. But the amazing thing about LW in its first season was how thoroughly fans became invested into thinking of those two as Murtaugh and Riggs. Different than the movies, sure, because they had to sustain the characterization for more than a two-hour action fest, but it was a believable take. As a fan, there's no way now to remove one of those two from the equation and still buy it as Lethal Weapon! It's going to tank in the ratings faster than a Mack truck over a bridge! And for *this* we're going to lose Gotham?! Ugh, it's so bloody frustrating!!

It becomes a kind of groupthink, I think - a shared experience of all suffering together. Therefore even if, on our own, we might dislike a show we're watching, we probably wouldn't be so over-the-top vocal about it if we weren't secretly enjoying the experience of savagely tearing it apart with likeminded people and the consequence of it drawing us closer together as a community. That's a very, very old evolutionary instinct that's pretty much the basis of a lot of Internet (not to mention real-life) interaction. Human beings have always found it easier to be cruel or angry in groups.

Damn. There were parts of this I couldn't watch, like Alfred cutting himself. And I was shook when Jeremiah showed up at the end and shot Selina. This show deserves a proper send off if it can't get a full season. It's not fair, but it's not a fair world.

I was overjoyed to see Diane snapping at people to straighten their ties. She's back! Also loved that Liz and Diane might bury the hatchet. I was so disappointed when the show had them at odds with one another. Two strong women of a certain age - they should be each other's allies. Not squabble for a lower seat at the table in a "man's world".

You can't compare the CW numbers to the other networks because they have a totally different business model. (I believe the CW was the only network not to lose money for the 2016-2017 season, BTW.) Viewers' watching habits are another thing. I would suspect Gotham is like most shows and viewers are migrating from live television to DVR/streaming. Does Fox release the live + 7 numbers for its shows? I know the CW does.

@Joe Hellandback and @John Potts, I'm glad you both really liked the episode. It was maybe one of my favourites this year, if not of the whole series. Not sure if you realized, but Ben McKenzie wrote this episode.

That story with H. Jon Benjamin and the threesome was screamingly funny - I lost it as badly as Colbert did. My husband is a huge Archer and Bob's Burgers fan, so I'm going to have to save that one for him to watch.