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Is Evita the first child born to someone on the Real World? Some of the NYC and LA cast members would be early 30s by 1999 but I can't think of anyone else who had kids before 1999. If Evita is anything like her parents (and I know we should not assume anything about her) Sean and Rachel will probably be grandparents soon. I believe the oldest RW cast members were born in 1966 so 55-56 right now, but no grandparents on the roster so far, right?

Wow. Ali has chubbier cheeks, but other than that, she too is a dead ringer for a makeup-less Leah (which we will never again see, thanks to tattooed eyeliner and the fact that Leah sleeps in mascara). Other than the weird fried hair, I actually don't think Gracie resembles Leah that much in this picture. Also weird to think the girls are only 5 years younger now than Leah was when she first filmed 16 and Pregnant.

Just watched an episode where Kyle is on the phone with Nicole and Nicole asks him if he thinks any of the women in the house are attracted to him, and Kyle sheepishly says he thinks they all are, and Nicole is like, well yeah, obviously, but do you think they'll act on it? Aneesa liked women, Tonya called him a lunkhead nose picker, and Cara was only interested in whatever "Alpha Male" (relatively) was nearby to validate her and her own lack of self esteem. Keri was the only one legitimately interested in him and she got over him in due time.

Could it have been Danny from Road Rules Xtreme? I remember him hollering at Jodi and like, a year later, he's still bitching about her and calling her names like slut and whore which had nothing to do with whatever he was complaining about (not that it would have been acceptable either way). I don't remember what the fight was about, maybe that Jodi was laughing and looked over at him so Danny concluded she was laughing at him? Rachel's angry and tearful rant was so ridiculous. I am 99% sure she was fourth from the bottom, with Tonya and Christina below her, and one other woman, maybe Aneesa? Ellen had given Tonya the life shield, so it was either Christina or the other woman, if they were going off performance. Emily was in the inner circle, and Christina was her closest Challenge friend, which left the third woman, who Ruthie thought was a valuable asset to the women, even if her cumulative score did not reflect that. So they just went up the list until they got to Rachel, which none of them had particularly strong feelings about. Yet Rachel announced that they were threatened by her and being cutthroat by getting rid of her. ETA: I just thought of another funny Chicago related anecdote. Lori from B2NY was dating Kyle for awhile and she blogged about him a lot and their relationship. Anyways, Kyle was a part of some kind of charity or promotional thing where people entered a contest, and the winner went on a date with Kyle to the VMAs. It was obviously a platonic date, since Kyle had a public relationship with Lori. But anyways, the woman who won I guess told Kyle that she only entered to go to the VMAs, and she didn't know who Kyle was or cared who was escorting her. (I don't know that she said it rudely, but the gist was, she was not interested in Kyle romantically). Anyways, Lori was LIVID that someone would not be interested in Kyle and would be so blunt as to say so- like in her mind, going to the VMAs should have been incidental to be being so lucky as to be on a date with Kyle, even if the winner knew nothing would come of it since he was with Lori. She had a full blog post ranting about this rude, ungrateful woman and also said she had cankles.

Yeah, I could see how that would be annoying in regards to Theo. My memory of the Challenge that impressed me was he tried to comfort Tonya when she was upset at her performance, and when he was voted off, he was very mature about it, which, even in 2002-2003, put him in the minority. I recall him saying something like, I am just going home, I'm not dying (compared to Rachel's 'this game is UG-A-LAY').

Crazy to think some of the TWoPers (who were originally Might Big TV posters) have been trading posts for 20+ years now. A lot of people updated their usernames so I don't recognize them anymore. Tonya seemed to grow a lot during 2002-2003 onscreen and off, and was a likeable, functional person. I am happy to hear that at least semi recently she is doing well. ETA: I find Keri's FB page awhile back, and she looks a lot the same. Her posts are very political (she's pretty liberal) and she has two teen/tween daughters. She came from money and I think she married money so all well that on front :). Kyle's updates are probably pretty easy to find because I think he's still on TV somewhere, like a sportscaster. Has anyone heard anything about either Chris or Theo? I thought Theo came off really well on the Challenge he did after filming RW, but I never saw him after that.

Cee??? The blond actress from NYC? I remember your posts over there and your recap of the reunion.

Well it depends on what you mean by like them. Some of my favorite characters on TV shows are not very good people- I wouldn't want to know them in real life, but I enjoy watching them and want to see them succeed. Also, I have people I hate watch, and I actively root against them each time. I am fine with Kim having an amorphous set of ethics. Jimmy is worse than she is and I still like him most of the time. But the scheme with Howard was the first time I actually wanted to see them fail, and it grinds my gears that they not only succeeded, but gloated over their victory, and didn't seem to feel one bit of remorse over what they did. I think they basically felt pretty power drunk, and I am sure what happens with Lalo will humble them and I might find them more endearing again. They don't feel like the underdogs any more- Kim is always outsmarting her opponents which makes her somewhat unrelatable to me. I don't think anyone in real life is as smart as Kim is portrayed. She is always able to predict the other person's next move, she always has a quick and better comeback, and she is well versed on every legal precedent ever.

Could be either, but I thought Hector was mainly concerned that even if Lalo managed to kill Gus and get away from his minions, Eladio would be pissed at him and have him killed anyways. Basically, any and all outcomes would lead to Lalo's death ultimately. Really, I wonder if Hector feels any guilt about his shitty poker face giving everything away to Gus in the first place. He didn't even try in front of Gus. He may as well said "nyah nyah nyah nyah" while sticking his thumbs to either side of his forehead while waggling his fingers..

Yeah, that was the moment I decided I did not like her anymore. Granted, she's changed her business model some (taking cases she can work on alone), which allows her to work for minimum wage since presumably she has savings and Jimmy to share (or fund entirely) living expenses, but the last season she talked about bringing in some bigwig corporate lawyers and if she's taking on anything more than traffic violations/drug busts she's going to need to budget for expert consultants for a legal defense. Even a 7 figure payout from Sandpiper would dry up in a year in that situation. People inspired by Kim may be willing to take a pay cut, but no one not being bankrolled by a cartel lawyer is going to be able or willing to work for minimum wage when they likely still have law school student loans to pay off. I could cut her a lot of slack for thinking embarrassing someone born on third base was a fair trade to bring in legal justice for marginalized people, but that really was not what was motivating her by the last two episodes. She's obviously not as terrible as anyone else on this show, but this was a disappointing character development for me, personally. She could have done a lot more for her supposed goal taking that meeting than using whatever she wrings out from the settlement.

I was disappointed by Yuri's betrayal, although I don't understand how the guard was that trusting in the first place. For that matter, I can't believe Hopper trusted the guard. I did find it a bit Hollywood though that Yuri called the guard to give him a heads up over what he did. It's not like he gave him enough time to run, and if he hated him enough to enjoy taunting him, odd that Enzo would trust him in the first place. And if he didn't trust him, why exactly does he assume this guy is going to risk his life extracting a prisoner after he's been paid? Mostly, I just can't stand it when a show does something where characters go to great lengths all for naught. I don't want to watch any torture scenes either. Husband doesn't let me fast forward shows but if I was watching this alone I would have zipped through Hopper. I was pretty sure Max was going to survive, if only because they need someone to come back with intel. I mean, it would be kind of frustrating if they got the idea that music could save her and then it didn't work. Max definitely got more time to fight back though than the other two, but at some point it kind of looked like the opening back to her dimension was closing. I wonder if we are going to find out any more of Chrissy or Eddie's backstories. Max might ascertain that both she and Victor felt a lot of guilt, if Nancy and Robin think to explain the part where Victor said he felt responsible for the burning house during his time at war, but not sure that's going to be enough of a common denominator. Also, Victor said he felt his proximity to the house was what made him a target, but the others seemed to feel a lot of guilt and that is what attracted Vecna.

But as someone pointed out, Saul has a female visitor that has very un-Kim like tastes in clothes. Although actually I kind of love the idea of Kim renouncing her blue pantsuits and pencil skirts with pumps, and fully embracing the leopard prints...

Do you think he would cooperate and leave his gun? I mean, it really isn't anything to him what the police make of the crime scene. He's already skipped bail (perhaps not officially, but his bail would be revoked based on what the court knows), and likely would have been found guilty anyways- does he really care if the police know it's a murder and he is the guilty one?

I would find it more forgivable if I really thought the end game was getting the Sandpiper residents their money, and Howard was unfortunate collateral damage, but I think Kim pretty clearly stated last season she wanted the case settled sooner because she wanted Jimmy's cut to fund her pro bono criminal defense firm. She hasn't mentioned it this season so maybe they are dropping that, but she definitely said it last season. And it seemed like embarrassing Howard was really their main goal here- I am sure they could have found a way to force a settlement without embarrassing him, if they are willing to commit car theft, drugging people, making fake videos, planting drugs, etc. in the name of their plan. I especially think they crossed the line drugging him. That could have really scared someone to have a reaction like that.

I would hope the writers are above killing off Howard just to shock the audience, and have a plot related reason for it. But I don't know that it will be legal/criminal consequences for Jimmy and Kim- it might be more about the consequences to their relationship. Which personally would be more interesting to me than seeing all of their misdeeds unraveling in a public way. I think after the initial shock of Howard's murder wears off, these two are going to have very different feelings about the situation and how they should move forward. I wonder if it's going to come to light that Kim knew about Lalo potentially being in the area. I could forgive a hand wave of Howard's murder/disappearance investigation if this is the writers' endgame.

I think it's on either Youtube or Daily Motion. The video quality is pretty poor though.

The only real issue I could see is if he is reported missing, or turns up dead, if any police retrace his last few days, they would be able to verify that one reliable witness reported seeing him throw a prostitute out of his car at the exact time a therapist confirmed he had an appointment. That's not enough to implicate J&K, but it might be enough to get police looking a little closer, and Jimmy did leave quite a few breadcrumbs in his early Phase so Howard could "catch" him. But clearly this does not happen, as Saul is still licensed to practice law in BB

I know it's just a TV show, but I think this latest plan was really over the top with everything that came together in a multi phase plan. I mean, working backwards, I can see someone saying wait, first they scammed their way into the country club and managed to slip an envelope of coke into a locker you were using (which how would they even know what locker you had), then they convinced a former client to come in and say you were using when you defended them, despite your firm managing to get them a very good plea deal, and then somehow they stole your car, pushed a prostitute out of it, and they did all this knowing you would use your firm's PI to follow him, which by then they had tricked your assistant into changing the number as their number, the PI was in on it, and gave you staged photos laced with some drug that would make your pupils dialate, then switched the photos out all so you'd make a fool of yourself during mediation? I mean, that sounds completely insane. Poor Howard.

Obviously this was written a few weeks back, and we now know what Kim chose to do, and this is the first episode I have ever not liked her. I didn't mind her when she was pulling her small time Giselle cons on people, and I didn't mind when she was committing mail fraud, and I had no problem with her general philosophy of the ends justifying the means as she saw fit. She was a complex character and one of my favorites. However, in the mid season finale she was really brushing up against the kind of character I hate, the one who always gets the upper hand and seems to feel little, if any, remorse or personal responsibility for anything they do. Her smug eye rolling over Howard's rant was very reminiscent of something Wendy Byrd from Ozarks would do, and I absolutely despise Wendy's character. Like, he lost, she won, why's he wasting her time and boring her with his complaints? I don't believe she's a horrible person, but her need to see Howard destroyed just doesn't jive with her earlier character. This is obviously deeply personal to her and I just can't see how he made such an impression on her, especially as he has attempted to reconcile professionally and personally with her and Jimmy. And even if those attempts were misguided, there was no malice there.

Really? That surprises me. I lived in apartments in MN and NE from 2002 to 2007, and it was just the standard. I remember locking myself out numerous times. Still then, quite a stroke of luck for Lalo coming around at just the right time. ETA: I think it's weird Jimmy didn't press Kim a few episodes back when he noticed she put the stool against the door. She's been even more tightly wound than usual and Jimmy just shrugged it off.

I also don't necessarily follow J&K being to blame for Lalo killing Howard. I understand Howard was there to confront them over what they did, but you can go a long ways back with that. Also, I do find it a bit "Hollywood" that Lalo has been skulking around Albuquerque for a few days now at least and picked the minute Howard chose to pay a surprise visit. Also pretty sloppy writing that Jimmy just left the door unlocked, and I think most apartment doors automatically lock when you close them anyways. Forgivable plot contrivance in a lot of TV shows, but I have higher standards for this show. ETA: I wonder if Kim will admit she knew Lalo was alive, to Jimmy, and how he will feel.

What?? You missed him as Professor Lasky in Saved by the Bell: the College Years? Where he had a brief romance with college student Kelly (who was his student at the time, not merely a student that just happened to attend where he taught)? Scandalous even for the 90s. I've seen him in bits and pieces- he seemed to mostly guest star on long running shows rather than have a leading role anywhere. He was the main character in The Last Exorcism which was actually a pretty good movie and he was excellent in it. Highly recommend.

I agree. Kim is not soulless at all. And while she's been grinding viewers' gears for awhile now, I think her turning the car around and blowing off the legal justice meeting to frantically regroup so Howard's orchestrated downfall goes on as planned is completely inconsistent with her character. I get that she is singularly focused and does not like to leave things unfinished, but this whole "equal legal representation for everyone" goal has been her priority for a long time. And I am not sure I really understand her hatred of Howard. I guess he represents everything she thinks is wrong with the legal system and is basically classism personified, but she has always been principled in her own way and this doesn't track. What I do think is interesting about Kim is that I do think she has the ability that Jimmy lacks to justify things to herself. She doesn't have to feel guilt that way.

That's how I took it. Howard standing there was a distraction. I don't think it was about eliminating a potential witness (although Lalo may have thought if Howard ran for it and got help, it would mess up Lalo's interrogation). Kim and Jimmy were yelling at Howard to leave, Howard was talking, Lalo wanted the focus on his needs. Plus, shooting Howard in the head that way would make it clear to K&J that he was not messing around. I am sure he doesn't give two shits what J&K do with the body or if it brings police attention to Lalo (as long as he can get of the apartment first). I'm such a bonehead! That totally did not occur to me that there was any strategic advantage to having the spokesperson in a wheelchair. I thought Howard was just attempting to be gentlemanly to his client, in way that may have been insulting, however unintentional.

Now that I know that the PI was a mole all along, I am absolutely flabbergasted at how many twists and turns this long con took. So, when they were arranging Howard's complete and total humiliation, they had to think, okay first, we are going to play a number of pranks on Howard which will eventually be traced back to us, but each prank itself involves elaborate planning and illegal activities which we will outsource, and the cooperation of no less than a dozen people. When it is traced back to us, Howard will inevitably hire his firm's PI company, which we have switched to our guy, and then we can commence with the actual end game. Which really doesn't make sense, because Kim finagled the judge's name out of her former colleague after they'd already set the wheels in motion, correct? I suppose they could have always planned to impersonate whoever the mediator was, regardless of how he or she looked, but that all was dependent on Kim being able to find out the name of the mediator ahead of time. I get a previous poster's explanation that these elaborate plans are part of the fun, but still. Interestingly enough, if the mediator hadn't broken his arm, and hadn't been in a cast, would Howard have put it together so quickly? Also, what if the mediator didn't have any distinguishing physical characteristics? For a brief period when the mediator was accounting for his entire morning (on which verification would have been very easy) I thought Howard was going to back down. I wonder if Kim would have used this to justify herself- Howard could have quietly pulled Clint aside or could have waited until the meeting was over to confront him with the pictures, at which point there would be no incriminating pictures- Kim was counting on Howard to steamroll ahead without the proof in front of him (which wasn't really "proof" in the first place- the guy in the pictures wasn't the mediator) and he did exactly what she thought he would do.