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The beginning of episode 8 was hard to watch. I am still holding out hope Marissa is alive, but that would make the sheriff pretty dumb- he couldn't check to make sure she was dead? He references letting birds peck out her eyes so I am hoping that means after the second time he shot her, he just left her for dead somewhere in the woods, but that would be extraordinarily stupid of him. I can't figure out why Shenandoah revealed herself so soon. She still had two guys left to kill, who actually appear to be the worst of the group. Why out herself as the killer, when everyone, including the corrupt sheriff, is right on hand to arrest her? Why not wait until another time to get her target? If she was worried about Klamath being blamed for being the killer, she certainly could clear his name later. In fact, letting them temporarily think they got their man could only help her. I was hoping that she had some master plan, but really, it just seemed a sloppy way to move the story along. Given Klamath's popularity and money, I am little surprised Shenandoah was so vulnerable. I would think a hotshot lawyer would be on the scene immediately, but Joe made it sound like the sheriff had kept her completely isolated from everyone.

Omg, remember when he was talking to his over achieving girlfriend (who I believe was a full time student at Georgia Tech and working two jobs to cover her living expenses) back home, and whining about how he was the only person who "figured out" that you don't need to work 50 hours a week to enjoy your life? Like, he really thought his girlfriend was working 50 hour weeks (factoring in school and studying) because she thought it was the key to enjoying life? Rather than simply a person who's grandma wasn't bankrolling her life and had to work to pay bills and get an education for a better job? Now, I do remember an insider from the show saying his girlfriend had dumped him prior to him being cast on the show and then just happened to reconcile with him after he was cast and asked that she visit him in Paris, and she pretty much dumped him immediately after she got her visit in, so perhaps she wasn't overly sympathetic either, but I can't judge her for breaking up with him in the first place. The show insider said that Ace was a really, really sweet guy but hung out with some jerky friends and took on their personality when he was with them (this was in response to a TWOP poster who had a nasty encounter with Ace and his friends in real life).

The egg thing I am fairly sure is from Runaway Bride. Julia Roberts' character said she prefers her eggs to be prepared the same way as whatever guy she is with prefers. Richard Gere calls her out on this as it's a symptom of a larger problem in her life- glomming onto whatever personality her partner has and adopting it as her own. I think the point Christina was making is that a guy should ask his partner what she likes or thinks first before offering his own opinion. Maybe. I believe Kelly Anne said she technically consented (ie she was conscious) but was seriously impaired, and Adam had been hitting on her nonstop while she was sober and she had rejected him each time, so he knew she was not interested. If not legally rape, seriously shitty, predatory, and disgusting behavior. Of course, with this crew, no one else saw it that way besides Kelly Anne. I haven't watched a recent episode of The Challenge since around 2017, so I hope with the #Metoo explosion and more talks about the general misogyny that plagues our culture, the environment is a little safer for women now, but I can't bear to watch to find out. I didn't realize all this, but that all makes a lot of sense. What a disappointment for participants thinking they are getting a free trip to Paris, only to be stranded in a house most of the time. It does kind of crack me up though, B/M thinking, fuck these kids and their personal growth. I'm going to Paris!

I guess something was posted back in March about him dying, but this was reportedly a hoax. Hopefully this did not come from Kailyn's camp in an effort to get her social media more clicks, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Yes, the writers said that would have been clever, but Pit Girl happened in the same timeline as the eating ceremony where Misty takes off her mask. Since one was the opening scene of the series and the other appears to be a flashback Natalie is having at rehab, I didn't think they had to be related, but then I remembered they juxtapose multiple scenes at the end of the series opener and the writers confirmed they are all taking place at the original timeline.

JFC Kailyn, not everything in your life needs to be shared. I know you are milking every last drop out of your personal life trying to stay relevant, but this is a losing battle you're fighting.

Yes, the article said they arrested him at his place of work. I don't think it said what the workplace was or how long he had been there. He has been employed on and off his entire tenure with MTV.

Yeah I didn’t buy it back when Mac read that letter out loud to Maci and I don’t buy it now. And if it’s true- if you find out on day 1 of your marriage that your husband has an active addiction he’s refusing to get treatment for and hid it from you- that’s grounds for annulment. And Mac was bringing a small child into that marriage. I agree, she’s the victim and I feel sorry for what she’s going through, but I think she’s lying about not knowing. was the jail sentence for the drug charges or assault? He has both on the docket I think.

I think about a year, circa 2011-2012. She came forward and said he was using when they were dating, which Jen said was "mostly" a lie (paraphrasing, the point is she did not deny all of it, only most of it). I believe it was speculated even as far back as when he was dating Maci that Ryan liked his coke, although no one on the show has ever come right out and said so. I believe it was only admitted Ryan had a problem in 2015-2016, which was when his decline became very obvious. As far as Ryan's life expectancy, I don't think it's long, sadly enough. I think an overdose or accident is very likely. I am worried for anyone else who is on the road when Ryan is driving. I also think Ryan is at the stage of addiction where even if jail forces sobriety, he will right be back at it once out.

The bizarre thing is that Ryan has been doing heroin for at least a decade, I think. He was dabbling in some kind of drugs as far back as the Dalis years, but other than the reported incident with the cats, which I am not sure was ever officially confirmed, I don't remember any stories of him being violent, especially to people. He always seemed too lethargic and apathetic. Yet it seems like he has gone from 0 to 60 in the last year, unless he always was this way and no one talked about it, which I guess is possible. ETA: I forgot Maci got a restraining order against him back in 2018 after he threatened her. And again, not trying to make light of the situation, but the other truly bizarre thing? They arrested him at work. He has (had) a job.

Did anyone catch what was written in blue? Starts out, 'Told Me You Where at (think he meant were) Something Something Crazy'. I am terrified for Mac and their kids. Disgusting as that house was, I am glad it was the house that took the brunt of his rage and not Mac or the kids, but it could easily be them next time. I hope they stay out of his reach forever. And not to make light of the situation, but count on Ryan to not even bother to change his spray paint splattered boots before denying the spray painter was him.

Hahaha he met with some agent or producer who was like, do you write your own music? and Jon was like, no, I just want to sing Brooks and Dunn cover songs, I don't want to write my own songs! and acting so offended that the agent was trying to make him be something he was not. The guy could work a crowd at a karaoke bar and that was it.

I don't think Aaron was really that bad at all. I really liked when Jon asked what he would do if a girlfriend got pregnant, and Aaron replied he wouldn't be in the position, which we found out later was because Aaron only engages in oral (likely in receiving only, but maybe he was a giver) which he said was primarily to avoid possible pregnancies. It would be nice if the assholes on Teen Mom who have no interest in fatherhood or their girlfriends would have a similar philosophy. I thought he was pretty supportive of Tami as well and pretty much low drama all around, other than the calendar incident, but he admitted he overreacted at least because he was so embarrassed. I loved when Aaron and Dom were teasing Beth S. about some guy who was coming to visit, and asked if Beth was planning on having sex with him, to which she replied she was not. Dom teasingly asked her if this guy knew it, and if he would still come visit knowing sex was off the table. I didn't watch the whole blanket episode. It was hard to watch, given how apparent Tami's rage and humiliation was. I understand David did not equate what he did to assault, which in a way makes it worse. Women aren't required to ignore their own boundaries just because you don't plan to physically hurt them. To me, it wasn't the act itself, it was the way he did not see what he did as a gross violation. Had he been let off with a warning, I think he would have been more careful going forward, but I don't think he would have understood why he had to be more careful. David said in a book that he spoke with Beth S. and Tami after he left the house and they were all good. He said it though more in a way to suggest he has no ill will towards them, rather than worrying if they have ill will to him. The book was published in 1997 and I am pretty sure at that time David still felt he was the injured party but forgave Tami and Beth. Glen is boring. They had a bunch of better choices than him. I just have such secondhand embarrassment for Jon every time he speaks. He is overall a nice guy, then and in subsequent appearances, but just so young to be so set in his ignorant ways.

Every time I see there is an update to this thread, I expect to read that Ryan has passed away.

Oh MTV. Stay classy. Also, that was one stupid bet to make, MTV.

Fair point about her identity not really being an overly interesting mystery- it's either Mari or a character who wasn't even formally identified in season 1. There were only 10 characters (eta: 10 soccer players) with speaking parts (and names) in S1, and 8 of them have been confirmed as either alive in 2021 or dead before the rituals started. But what I am curious about is that Pit girl is not the girl strung up, throat slit, and what fed the girls during the ritual, correct? They didn't show much, but when the girl was hanging by her ankles, her torso and legs were smooth- where Pit girl was impaled in like 20 different places, notably in the back and upper thighs. So it is possible Pit Girl was murdered for different reasons than a cannibalistic ritual. The two incidents do appear to be related, but it would be pretty lazy if that was supposed to be the same character.

The writers have unequivocally stated that Although one of the writers conceded that would have been an incredible twist. At this point, I'm sort of losing faith in the writers. Multiple actors and writers have stated that no one on any major speculation sites has accurately predicted what is going on, and given ALL the theories, and the fact that most of S1 was fairly straightforward, most simplest explanation is the correct explanation, that seems unlikely. If we don't get to Pit Girl by end of season 2, I will strongly suspect the writers either scrapped their original plan in order to drag out the seasons, or were winging it all along, a la Lost.

The rescue? Now that I think about it, they were stranded for 20 months right? That would have put their rescue around Jan 1998. Strange.

I did not get the impression she did it on purpose. I think she was playing aggressively to Allie to intimidate her, but I do not believe breaking her leg and eliminating her from the trip was her end goal. ETA: Just rewatched the clip on Paramount. Allie gets mad, then she starts getting aggressive back, and Tai says "finally" and seems relieved. She's on Allie's ass when Allie is trying to line up and make her goal, and I think she was trying to steal the ball from the other side, put her foot out to snag the ball, and Allie tripped over it and fell wrong. But it's shot from a weird angle and over in a split second- it really is hard to tell what Tai was trying to do. I don't think she meant to hurt Allie so seriously for sure, but I can't say that she wasn't intentionally trying to trip her. Of course even if she was, people trip every day and do not have their freaking bones sticking out of their legs. Yeesh I can't watch that scene without feeling sick.

For sure. I mean, they will have to at least get into Shauna's decision not to attend Brown, and marrying Jeff. I think we can probably guess at how she ended up at both decisions based solely on her time in the wilderness, but they still would have to show some kind of interaction. Has it been confirmed that adult Jeff is aware of Shauna's first pregnancy? He did read her diaries, correct?

Yeah, they said they had a 5 year plan. I mean, no guarantees they'll keep getting renewed, but I do think they intend to tell the story slowly. And probably have written season 2 with the assumption they will have subsequent seasons to tell the whole story.

I was wondering about this. I thought Shauna looked about 5 months pregnant in Doomcoming, which I think was supposed to be mid/late fall, and would line up with her conceiving sometime in May (Given that she conceived shortly before she left and the trip coincided with the high school prom). Doomcoming was at least two months prior to the season opener so I am guessing she is around 7-8 months pregnant now. I think it's probably January 1997 by the season opener.

Also like how they lined up, "she knows what's going on" with Callie digging through the grill ashes and coming up with Adam's charred driver's license. I loved that song when it came out.

Really? What makes you say that?

Larry has a nasty temper though. Jen had Ryan pretty young (22 or 23), and I think it's been implied they got married because Jen was pregnant. I would bet in the early days Larry went out and did his thing while Jen stayed home with Ryan, and it became a vicious cycle of resentment on both sides- Jen feeling like Larry was dumping all the work on her, while Larry felt like Jen was all about Ryan. By the time Larry publicly tried the tough love approach (coincidentally after Ryan's addition and poor treatment of people directly impacted Larry), Ryan was like 25, and Jen was undermining his efforts anyways. Perhaps he truly tried when Ryan was younger, but I'd wager he mostly left the child rearing to Jen. I think Jen loves kids and loved Maci up until their big falling out, but is a very poor disciplinarian and most definitely an enabler. I don't much like Maci, but I believe her that she is truly afraid of Bentley turning out like Ryan if the Edwards' are allowed too much influence.