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Not to mention, a lot of times those contracts tend to have a lot of clauses and are usually more favored to the company than the performer. It might be that the sum total paid will be $2MM over course of the contracted term (not paid all at once) but the entertainment company has the right to terminate contract for a number of reasons, or just at certain intervals.

Just started watching this. I saw Jay/Jenna on one of the challenges so I was aware of their backstory. I cannot fathom how Jay was such a Casanova and it seems like every other man to meet him on the show has the same question. That said, Jenna did date him before the cameras were on him so he must bring something to the table. I did laugh so hard when Jay is lecturing Jamie on not starting drama (and Ashley is obnoxious but it really was none of Jamie's business who Ashley was dating/fucking and she was trying to start shit on their first night), while Jenny is loudly blowing her nose in the next room, and Jay keeps getting distracted. Finally he yells, you're killing my flow! Something about Thomas is just so ew. Sorry ladies, I have high standards, in response to who he finds attractive in the house? Gross and unnecessary.

It would have made complete and total sense for Jamie to be cavalier about the future fertility of a girl he impregnated (in that saving his own hide from angry dad would have been a fair trade to him) but it makes no sense for Jamie to be so invested in Beth going through with the abortion that he kept the facts of the procedure from her. What does he care if she's pregnant? The Duttons are known as thugs around town who get rid of people they don't like and have all local politicians and law enforcement in their back pockets, and teenage Beth is basically flaunting her promiscuity by giving out HJs in church- there is no image to preserve here.

Oh was it? In MN and WI it's very common to have a "cabin" (which is generally a regular house, but always referred to as a cabin) on the lake that people drive up to on weekends so I guess I just assumed that was what they were doing. If that is going to be their full time house I guess that is a little less extravagant but still not what I would call "pathologically cheap".

I think Beth mentioned offhand (maybe to her assistant assigned to her from Silver Hair's company) that her previous two assistants were dead (one beaten and shot by the rival casino boys in S2, and presumably her next assistant was killed in the explosion). It wouldn't have killed them to expend a similar line on what became of the mother and kid who John was helping, but the writers probably assume no viewer cares. They were only a plot device to get John in a vulnerable spot anyways. Yeah that was dumb. Beth's leverage was useless anyways- a camera phone photo taken in the dark when Jamie has the body wrapped up? That she would probably have to send anonymously? Sure, that'll hold up in court, Beth,

Yikes. As the Heavy article @MsJamieDornan linked pointed out, pretty tone deaf to call yourself "pathologically cheap" when you are shopping for a lakefront vacation home with a budget of $1.5 million. I realize he was saying it to highlight how unusual this was for them, but still. And really Julie? You need to up your budget because your little darlings can't share a room while staying in their vacation house on the lake? Also, googled the average salary of an ophthalmologist in WI and it's like $300K a year. That's good money but I wouldn't think seven figure vacation home money. I didn't get past the first 5 minutes of the show. Interesting that they met at what was basically a Mormon sanctioned meet market. I don't think Julie is bad looking but I find it shocking anyone semi normal could stand her for more than a few minutes. I think this probably says more about him than it does about her.

I feel like in the early seasons of RW, up until Hawaii when there actually was a sho-mance, the editing always jumped on any mild flirtation between two roommates and exaggerated it to the point where it was misleading to the viewers. I remember when Seattle was airing, and they leaked it that David would be involved with "someone from the show" and two of the episodes seemed to foreshadow a David/Rebecca hook up. While David/Kira definitely let them get their money's worth in drama, I felt cheated as a viewer. A largely offscreen romance between a roommate and someone working behind the scenes was not the same thing as two roommates actually entering a relationship. And then in Boston, all the sudden, after like 10 episodes, Kameelah and Jason are acting like a couple, and in the book Jason says he had a crush on Kameelah from Day 1. I was like, what? I distinctly remember him mocking her (in a way that probably wouldn't fly today, as it would seem both racist and misogynistic based on the way he's imitating her voice) multiple times in the first two episodes, behind her back.

Dustin is, right? Didn't he go to some kind of science camp?

Honkins would be hilarious. If I passed that city sign while driving I would totally stop and take a picture of it.

That's a really good point. I have always liked how Nancy's character is really driven, and rarely seems to get sidetracked by whatever relationship she is in. Whether it was school work, or her internship, or her work at the paper- that always came first. I don't think she's compatible with either boy, and it would be great if the series ended with her deciding to do her own thing, rather than waffling between Steve and Jonathan. I feel like it's gotten better since the group consolidated, at least. Even Joyce is funny when she gets teamed up with Murray. But yeah, ready for the mishaps to be over. I did laugh though at Joyce politely referring to the aircraft as "Katinka" when asking how far it had flown. But Yuri's bullshit is getting pretty old, and I realize the rest of the crew thinks they need him, but they are way too patient with him.

Agree! I know a lot of people hated the roller rink scene (both with the bullying/humiliation scene and the apparently historically inaccurate amount of neon and hot pants) but I LOVED it for the music playing. I was more of a 90s kid than 80s (born in 1983), but Baltimora playing made me nostalgic all the same.

Right, the military guy said something like, Mom and Dad have a fight? when they came across Owens handcuffed and beaten. I don't think Owens trusted Brenner or wanted to work with him, but felt like it was the only option. He couldn't fix El by himself, and El needed to be fixed. I was sort of hoping El would go back for Owens, or at least mention him, but I guess she had a lot on her mind. I suppose she doesn't know if he's alive at this point so why risk it, but still. I suppose Mike is fairly typical of a teenage boy, but he is just so oblivious and self centered that it's frustrating to watch. He is quickly becoming my least favorite character. Even Lucas gets it right occasionally. Speaking of, I found his moment with Erica very sweet. I wish they had more sibling and friend interactions, and didn't bother with any romances. I loved the version of Separate Ways at the end. Very powerful.

That's exactly how I feel. Yes, they can't show you doing something you did not do, but they have thousands of hours of video tape, only roughly 10 of which is ever going to be used. If you did something twice over the course of six months of filming (whether that one thing is have a meltdown, pick your nose, mispronounce a word, hook up with someone at a bar, etc), and each instance makes it into an episode, it's going to look like you are "always" doing that to the viewers. And it is very hard to make it through 6 months of 24/7 filming without ever appearing ignorant or irrational or something negative. Editing could make anyone look like an asshole or an idiot if they really wanted to. And they have definitely done things like panning back and forth between roommates to make it look like Person 1 is looking longingly (or angrily) at Person 2, only to find out the two roommates weren't even in the same room. Things like that. Granted, I am not sure in the early days of B/M they were that interested in manufactured drama, but the option was there.

Is Evita the first child born to someone on the Real World? Some of the NYC and LA cast members would be early 30s by 1999 but I can't think of anyone else who had kids before 1999. If Evita is anything like her parents (and I know we should not assume anything about her) Sean and Rachel will probably be grandparents soon. I believe the oldest RW cast members were born in 1966 so 55-56 right now, but no grandparents on the roster so far, right?

Wow. Ali has chubbier cheeks, but other than that, she too is a dead ringer for a makeup-less Leah (which we will never again see, thanks to tattooed eyeliner and the fact that Leah sleeps in mascara). Other than the weird fried hair, I actually don't think Gracie resembles Leah that much in this picture. Also weird to think the girls are only 5 years younger now than Leah was when she first filmed 16 and Pregnant.

Just watched an episode where Kyle is on the phone with Nicole and Nicole asks him if he thinks any of the women in the house are attracted to him, and Kyle sheepishly says he thinks they all are, and Nicole is like, well yeah, obviously, but do you think they'll act on it? Aneesa liked women, Tonya called him a lunkhead nose picker, and Cara was only interested in whatever "Alpha Male" (relatively) was nearby to validate her and her own lack of self esteem. Keri was the only one legitimately interested in him and she got over him in due time.

Could it have been Danny from Road Rules Xtreme? I remember him hollering at Jodi and like, a year later, he's still bitching about her and calling her names like slut and whore which had nothing to do with whatever he was complaining about (not that it would have been acceptable either way). I don't remember what the fight was about, maybe that Jodi was laughing and looked over at him so Danny concluded she was laughing at him? Rachel's angry and tearful rant was so ridiculous. I am 99% sure she was fourth from the bottom, with Tonya and Christina below her, and one other woman, maybe Aneesa? Ellen had given Tonya the life shield, so it was either Christina or the other woman, if they were going off performance. Emily was in the inner circle, and Christina was her closest Challenge friend, which left the third woman, who Ruthie thought was a valuable asset to the women, even if her cumulative score did not reflect that. So they just went up the list until they got to Rachel, which none of them had particularly strong feelings about. Yet Rachel announced that they were threatened by her and being cutthroat by getting rid of her. ETA: I just thought of another funny Chicago related anecdote. Lori from B2NY was dating Kyle for awhile and she blogged about him a lot and their relationship. Anyways, Kyle was a part of some kind of charity or promotional thing where people entered a contest, and the winner went on a date with Kyle to the VMAs. It was obviously a platonic date, since Kyle had a public relationship with Lori. But anyways, the woman who won I guess told Kyle that she only entered to go to the VMAs, and she didn't know who Kyle was or cared who was escorting her. (I don't know that she said it rudely, but the gist was, she was not interested in Kyle romantically). Anyways, Lori was LIVID that someone would not be interested in Kyle and would be so blunt as to say so- like in her mind, going to the VMAs should have been incidental to be being so lucky as to be on a date with Kyle, even if the winner knew nothing would come of it since he was with Lori. She had a full blog post ranting about this rude, ungrateful woman and also said she had cankles.

Yeah, I could see how that would be annoying in regards to Theo. My memory of the Challenge that impressed me was he tried to comfort Tonya when she was upset at her performance, and when he was voted off, he was very mature about it, which, even in 2002-2003, put him in the minority. I recall him saying something like, I am just going home, I'm not dying (compared to Rachel's 'this game is UG-A-LAY').

Crazy to think some of the TWoPers (who were originally Might Big TV posters) have been trading posts for 20+ years now. A lot of people updated their usernames so I don't recognize them anymore. Tonya seemed to grow a lot during 2002-2003 onscreen and off, and was a likeable, functional person. I am happy to hear that at least semi recently she is doing well. ETA: I find Keri's FB page awhile back, and she looks a lot the same. Her posts are very political (she's pretty liberal) and she has two teen/tween daughters. She came from money and I think she married money so all well that on front :). Kyle's updates are probably pretty easy to find because I think he's still on TV somewhere, like a sportscaster. Has anyone heard anything about either Chris or Theo? I thought Theo came off really well on the Challenge he did after filming RW, but I never saw him after that.

Cee??? The blond actress from NYC? I remember your posts over there and your recap of the reunion.

Well it depends on what you mean by like them. Some of my favorite characters on TV shows are not very good people- I wouldn't want to know them in real life, but I enjoy watching them and want to see them succeed. Also, I have people I hate watch, and I actively root against them each time. I am fine with Kim having an amorphous set of ethics. Jimmy is worse than she is and I still like him most of the time. But the scheme with Howard was the first time I actually wanted to see them fail, and it grinds my gears that they not only succeeded, but gloated over their victory, and didn't seem to feel one bit of remorse over what they did. I think they basically felt pretty power drunk, and I am sure what happens with Lalo will humble them and I might find them more endearing again. They don't feel like the underdogs any more- Kim is always outsmarting her opponents which makes her somewhat unrelatable to me. I don't think anyone in real life is as smart as Kim is portrayed. She is always able to predict the other person's next move, she always has a quick and better comeback, and she is well versed on every legal precedent ever.

Could be either, but I thought Hector was mainly concerned that even if Lalo managed to kill Gus and get away from his minions, Eladio would be pissed at him and have him killed anyways. Basically, any and all outcomes would lead to Lalo's death ultimately. Really, I wonder if Hector feels any guilt about his shitty poker face giving everything away to Gus in the first place. He didn't even try in front of Gus. He may as well said "nyah nyah nyah nyah" while sticking his thumbs to either side of his forehead while waggling his fingers..

Yeah, that was the moment I decided I did not like her anymore. Granted, she's changed her business model some (taking cases she can work on alone), which allows her to work for minimum wage since presumably she has savings and Jimmy to share (or fund entirely) living expenses, but the last season she talked about bringing in some bigwig corporate lawyers and if she's taking on anything more than traffic violations/drug busts she's going to need to budget for expert consultants for a legal defense. Even a 7 figure payout from Sandpiper would dry up in a year in that situation. People inspired by Kim may be willing to take a pay cut, but no one not being bankrolled by a cartel lawyer is going to be able or willing to work for minimum wage when they likely still have law school student loans to pay off. I could cut her a lot of slack for thinking embarrassing someone born on third base was a fair trade to bring in legal justice for marginalized people, but that really was not what was motivating her by the last two episodes. She's obviously not as terrible as anyone else on this show, but this was a disappointing character development for me, personally. She could have done a lot more for her supposed goal taking that meeting than using whatever she wrings out from the settlement.

I was disappointed by Yuri's betrayal, although I don't understand how the guard was that trusting in the first place. For that matter, I can't believe Hopper trusted the guard. I did find it a bit Hollywood though that Yuri called the guard to give him a heads up over what he did. It's not like he gave him enough time to run, and if he hated him enough to enjoy taunting him, odd that Enzo would trust him in the first place. And if he didn't trust him, why exactly does he assume this guy is going to risk his life extracting a prisoner after he's been paid? Mostly, I just can't stand it when a show does something where characters go to great lengths all for naught. I don't want to watch any torture scenes either. Husband doesn't let me fast forward shows but if I was watching this alone I would have zipped through Hopper. I was pretty sure Max was going to survive, if only because they need someone to come back with intel. I mean, it would be kind of frustrating if they got the idea that music could save her and then it didn't work. Max definitely got more time to fight back though than the other two, but at some point it kind of looked like the opening back to her dimension was closing. I wonder if we are going to find out any more of Chrissy or Eddie's backstories. Max might ascertain that both she and Victor felt a lot of guilt, if Nancy and Robin think to explain the part where Victor said he felt responsible for the burning house during his time at war, but not sure that's going to be enough of a common denominator. Also, Victor said he felt his proximity to the house was what made him a target, but the others seemed to feel a lot of guilt and that is what attracted Vecna.

But as someone pointed out, Saul has a female visitor that has very un-Kim like tastes in clothes. Although actually I kind of love the idea of Kim renouncing her blue pantsuits and pencil skirts with pumps, and fully embracing the leopard prints...