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Is there even a way to "flag" them? Like, enter a fingerprint into a system and get an alert if there is ever a hit down the road? If so, I would think such system would be forever inundated with fingerprint flags. I would think as sheriff he might be able to match her fingerprints in MN with what he has on file in ND, but he would have to know she was arrested in the first place and compare the two. We are probably supposed to just suspend disbelief on this score that there is a fictional database this holds on this information in the Fargo Universe.

In her downtown office, JJL did exposit to her lawyer that she had a background check done on Dot that came back clear (clear as in nothing bad, there were school records and such). Now, how Dot managed that we may never know. I am guessing she stole someone else's identity but even back in 2009 that wouldn't have been particularly easy to do, especially given that Mama probably really was invested in finding any skeletons.

He said, no one is listening to me, while grabbing her arm. I don't know if he intended to cause her harm, but he did try and restrain her from leaving, which, even if he wasn't intending to hurt her, by holding her in place he easily could have put her in someone else's line of fire. I really don't blame her for panicking.

I think that's supposed to be the point though- she is amateurish. While I think she would have done better to go a little farther than a state bordering her crazy ex, she was likely very limited in her means while trying to fly under the radar, and I would guess she was also pregnant, and needed a rich, connected patsy as soon as she could get one, hence why she only made it to one state away from him. And I don't think she's a trained fighter- she's someone who cobbled together a series of counter attacks, probably at least some of which came from actual cartoons. THAT was stupid. Can't argue with that. My only guess is, the one in charge didn't want to risk killing her accidentally (and not getting paid) while knocking her around, but they certainly could have tied her up a lot more tightly and they definitely should have. For that matter, wearing those creepy masks was far more conspicuous and served no purpose- any potential witness was much more likely to notice creepy masks and call the cops. Agree, and he is so "big fish in a little pond"- step out of his little jurisdiction and he'd be schooled in an instant. Yet I suppose he insists he doesn't want to go anywhere but his tiny little kingdom in ND.

Good point! I hate it when a character "took a self defense course" and all the sudden is an expert street fighter able to take on 5 opponents at once (or just magically turns out to be some kind of deadly accurate sharpshooter). And her means of fighting are pretty unconventional, and luck has been on her side a few times, but it is something that could feasibly happen. I get the impression Bisquick itself has some sort of meaning for the character- I think it's like, therapeutic for her in some way. She looked panicked at the gas station, and then she saw the boxes and seemed to be able to focus and figure out what she needed to do. I actually thought all the Bisquick papers scattered at the station was some kind of message for her from the kidnapper, but then it was revealed he didn't know her so that couldn't be right. And then when she gets home, she immediately goes into the kitchen and starts mixing the pancakes, even though she has a lot of time before Scotty was due to wake. I think the brand itself and the act of mixing the pancakes is a source of comfort to her. Her age is given as 30s- I wonder how much older than the son of the sheriff she is supposed to be. The actress is only a couple years older than the actor playing the son. He doesn't really seem to have an opinion on her at all, other than just doing his dad's bidding. But he likely would have been at least a teen when she ran away.

No, and Scandia is actually part of the metropolitan Minneapolis area (NE suburb). I’ve lived in various Minneapolis suburbs almost my whole life and no one has an accent like that. We do have the long Ohs but that’s it. Nonetheless, I did think her “look, bitch…anywho”…metamorphosis was pretty good.

I did laugh when he referred to the woman federal agent as Mrs. “Partner’s Butchered Last Name”…like any woman couldn’t have been there in a professional capacity and the fed must have brought his wife along. So immature but still a little funny.

Yeah, I would just think a man like him would rather have his own compound free from laws of society, than ostensibly be obligated to uphold the laws of whatever jurisdiction he’s in.

I get that, but so blatantly mixing his interpretation of church with state seems like he’s pretty much daring any other law enforcement to do something about it. Clearly, he’s already attracted the attention of the feds. He doesn’t seem to care, but I suspect he’ll realize soon enough he’s not untouchable. He’d have been better to be a little more low profile than he’s been. He sure is smug though- he’s managed to out-smug David Thewlis’ character so far which was no easy feat.

I really liked the first two episodes, although I find John Hamm’s character kind of contradictory- he seems to be running some kind of fundamentalist cult based on his lecturing of the wife beating husband, as he tells the battered wife to treat his burns and keep remembering her place, which seems at odds with being a member of law enforcement. I understand the allure of it for him, but think that would be too great a conflict of interest for him and the state law officials. Also, the nipple ring thing seems very at odds with both. I would assume Dot did not marry him willingly and spent years planning her escape route, but I am surprised she was ever given the resources to do so. Even self taught- she’d need books or internet or something. Although I guess it’s possible she picked up on some of that after she left, as she’s been looking over her shoulder this whole time. I think her husband knows she’s lying but either trusts her that she has her valid reasons, or doesn’t want to risk alienating her by trying to force the issue. I found the contracted kidnapper to be quite reminiscent of the killer in No Country for Old Men, both with his deliberate calm and his odd sartorial choices. I wonder if he’ll end up working with Dot. He seemed to hold no ill will against her for defending herself and only blamed her ex for downplaying her level of survival skills. Although I don’t know if he did- it would not surprise me if her ex truly had no idea what she was capable of and thought it would be easy. I thought the cop stood outside the gas station to avoid making anyone already in there collateral damage if he could- but help didn’t arrive before he was shot. I don’t think he’s supposed to be dim.

That's what I thought. I could see how referring to being gay as "not normal" would be offensive, but given the long and winding sputtering she was doing beforehand, it was pretty clear she meant that gay people are treated poorly many times in their lives due to being gay and she did not understand why any mom would hope her kids would have to struggle that way. I think the root of Amy's animosity towards Meredith is that she simply doesn't like people who aren't in her family. In a deleted scene, Luke Wilson tells Amy she needs to give other people outside of the family a chance. Thad's husband alludes to being disliked by Amy in the beginning. And I think Sybil and Amy's incredibly warm reception of Julie was just a super immature way to let Meredith know just how unwelcome and disliked Meredith was. Sybil and Amy were straight up evil. I couldn't believe the scene when Meredith walks in, and Sybil covers her mouth with her hand to hide her snickering, like a bitchy teenager would. And although Susannah was mildly nicer to Meredith than the other two, I couldn't believe when her bratty, thieving daughter swipes Meredith's expensive shoes, breaks off the heel, and Susannah was like,oh um, sorry, uh...we might have some glue? Really? Really? I still like the movie though, although generally on a rewatch, I skip the Christmas Eve dinner scene.

Is Kaiser's dad and his family still in the picture? I know his paternal grandmother was in the midst of fighting Jenelle for custody when her husband became ill and she dropped the lawsuit, but that was several years ago. At least Jace has somewhere to go besides the swamp. I am so, so worried about Kaiser. ETA: his sister said in July that Nathan hasn't seen Kaiser in months but that their mother does get Kaiser for visitations. Not sure if that's a legal agreement or just between Jenelle and Nathan's mom.

Yeah, that was so funny, on the first night in the house, Elka asks if anyone else in the house is Catholic, to which Sean replied that he was. Elka eagerly asks if he will come with her to church and Sean is like "...". Like you could tell he absolutely did not want to go, and is vacillating between making up an excuse and then dealing with dodging her next time she asks (and again and again), or just admitting on camera he has no intention of going to church while in Boston. While he was a Catholic and probably from a politically conservative family, you're right, that wasn't an archetype he leaned heavily into while on the show. He was much more about bar hopping, with a propensity to randomly debate people about social issues at times (in his defense, I thought he was pretty respectful and willing to listen to the other side. Even if his views were offensive or ignorant to a lot of people, I thought he came across as more open minded and well read than Rachel did on her season. Then again, low bar and all).

So...I assume she's making an analogy here. I am torn between being outraged that she would try and compare a devastating war to her own poor life choices, and being oddly impressed that she even has a clue what's going on outside of her own life, even if she does think it involves 'hummus'. I suppose my bar for her (and all the other Teen Mom cohorts) is so very, very low.

Yikes. The Challenge used to be the MTV sled at (just) under a million viewers, while Teen Mom and Jersey Shore enjoyed huge ratings. 266,000 viewers is the kind of ratings that would lead E! or other second/third tier networks to cancel, so I absolutely can't believe MTV is still buying this show. I guess, though, as pointed out, they have nothing else to put on in its place. MTV must be having a huge identity crisis. 30-40 years ago, it was the voice of the youthful and rebellious. Does Generation Z even watch TV anymore, or just reels on Instagram and Tiktok as everyone competes for followers? I really wonder how long the network is going to drag this show out.

I love the "where are they now" updates they were doing, but they generally pick the most boring people or episodes, and I haven't watched the show in over 10 years since the subjects are so over the top now, so I wouldn't be interested in anything that aired after 2010. Purely out of pettiness, I would love to know how the two girls who were "too beautiful" for their own good are both faring, as well as the 26 year old "model" who was dating an older guy (I know this is catty, but she was entered in a hometown hottie contest through Maxim Magazine and did appear in the picture collage, and she acted like she was Christy Turlington or something). I do believe one of the Staten Island Girls did make it to one of the where are they now episodes, I want to say she was married with a kid. I think it was the one who wanted to be an actress and was trying really hard to lose her accent.

Huh, I don't know what that could have been if it was not Singled Out, which is all that pops up when I search MTV game shows and Jenny McCarthy. The late 90s/early 2000s was so unbelievably random what they come up with. I just did a search of all MTV shows and remembered Boiling Points, starring a prefamous Lady Gaga (think she went by Stephanie back then). That show was hilarious and such a different concept- put people in ludicrous situations while secretly filming them and see how long it took them to lose their tempers. I think everyone on that show was an improv actor. Teen Mom was a cool idea, and the viewership agreed- but they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point.

It really is. And they just keep doubling down on the trashiness of their content instead of considering that maybe it's time to move into a different direction. I wish MTV would track down whoever has the rights to all their old shows- Road Rules, Singled Out, The Blame Game, Say What Karaoke, the early seasons of True Life, Made, Sorority Life, Fraternity Life, Rich Girls, etc and play those instead.

The book talked a little more about this, although I still maintain the deep friendship between Jason and Kameelah really came out of nowhere since he did not seem to like her in the beginning. Sean pestered Kameelah and Syrus nonstop with questions about what it was like to be Black. I think he was well intentioned (he really did want to know what it was like and recognized how ignorant he was), but went about it the wrong way and expected Kameelah to be grateful that he cared to know. It bothered Kameelah; it did not bother Syrus. Syrus and Kameelah were at frequent odds because Kameelah felt like Syrus only dated white women which she found annoying. Sean was also all about the Midwestern niceties and couldn't stand that Genesis would walk by him in the morning and not say hello or acknowledge him in any way (Jason said this was not personal, Genesis often did not greet anyone she came across unless she had something specific she wanted to talk to them about). Jason did not mind; Sean thought it was rude. Both Genesis and Kameelah thought that Montana was exhausting to be around, and was a compulsive liar. She would tell stories that varied a bit each time she told them. Elka was nice to everyone's face, but a shit talker behind everyone's backs. When Kameelah or Montana (depending on whose side she was on at the moment) would confront her about what she said behind their backs, Elka would backpedal or say she didn't remember. Elka also frequently stole, although I don't know if she ever stole from her roommates. I think it was stated that if Elka was at a store, and the line was too long, she would shoplift rather than wait in line. I can't remember where I heard that. Both Genesis and Jason stated that while Kameelah's bluntness could be offputting, she was honest and straightforward and they always knew where they stood with her. Whereas Elka was a flip flopper and Montana was a liar, and Sean just annoyed everyone. Syrus went out a lot. I think Jason summed it up best. Montana, Syrus, and Sean were all fun to go drinking with and just shoot the shit, but he never felt very close to any of them. I don't think anyone in that house was a bad person, but it was an extreme clash of personalities, and everyone assuming the worst possible motivations of the other person in any conflict.

Not just you, I was cringing so hard at the singing. I thought the episode was pretty pat, considering the heavy material. And sadly, a missing woman returning after several months largely unscathed is super rare, so not sure Marissa’s return was really cause for the families of all the other missing women to get their hopes up. I did appreciate the acknowledgment that Shenandoah will never be able to return to her old life. I was half thinking they were going to have McClanahan announce all charges against her were dropped. I highly doubt even Marybeth would get off the hook so easily in real life- but whatever, Hollywood.

I suppose Tyler thinks having Cate oversee the account makes it less risque, but that actually adds a new level of creepy to me. Also, Tyler, I am pretty sure in the season where Farrah returned after Backdoor Teen Mom, you made some sanctimonious comment about how there was not a price in the world you'd place on your dignity. Not that you had much room to talk, even back then, but still.

Now that I think about it, I am confused about two things- why and how did Shannon try and frame Randy Pope for the murders? And why did Randy Pope hide the severed head? First, Shannon makes an anti-hunting poster profile that she manages to register and post (regularly) from Randy's IP address, thus making everyone suspicious and arresting him. Or was he actually the one making those posts? I mean, neither one really makes sense. If she is going down the line killing people, and presumably Randy is on her list, why bother to frame him? If she wanted to kill 6 and pin the murders on the 7th, Randy seems an odd choice for the fall guy. The sheriff would have been a better choice. I suppose her ability to post from Randy's IP address can be explained by it just being a TV show. (Also, I know it's just a show, but I think the odds of being arrested based on the evidence they had against Randy is pretty shaky). But then- why was Randy hiding the head? He likely had alibis for the murders, doesn't know he's being framed yet or even targeted- why go to the trouble to hide it? Going back and reading the recap of episode 5, although I still think he would never in real life be arrested and detained in jail over the internet postings, he probably didn't help his cause when he told an obvious lie about how he was informed about the head in the woods. The whole thing seems rather disorganized, like the writers weren't sure who they were going to have as the real killer until the second half of the show was written and all the red herrings they were throwing out don't really make sense when you consider who the killer turns out to be. I know this is based on a book so maybe I'll read it and see if something got lost in translation.

I think they are going to have to pack a lot into the final episode, and I don't see how Shenandoah is going to escape prison time. Those men absolutely deserved what they got, and Shenandoah likely saved a lot of future victims, but as Joe pointed out, the law won't see it that way. Also, I know Marybeth and Joe were scrambling, but it takes like 3 seconds to forward a voicemail. I'll cut her some slack for not doing it while a shotgun is pointed at her, but like, as soon as they stopped listening to the original message, that should have been top priority. That seemed very out of character for Marybeth to not do. While I agree with Joe that the hammer will be brought down on Shenandoah, even if they can prove what she says, I still thought he was really harsh on a traumatized woman. I liked Missy for about 5 seconds in this episode- I can't talk to Kyle, because he cries like a baby and it's annoying. I suppose he is supposed to be comic relief, but his incompetency at everything is frustrating to watch. I think only when she said he was trying to stop her from killing Pope.

In fairness, he did try and issue a fishing citation earlier this season and that did not end too well for him. Or his horse...

I googled this, and one news source says they are certain that Spoiler tagging just in case, not an actual spoiler though. I do hope they return to the twins- that seems like an odd storyline to just drop. I wish more people watched this show too. I am dying to hear theories on why Shannon/Shenandoah gave herself up. I was really hoping she was trying to get arrested, that there was an ulterior motive, but the way the episode went down made zero sense. Shenandoah had a very brief window when Pickett ran to where Klamath was shot, and she could have killed Pope with no witnesses. Instead, she chooses to brilliantly wait until all three armed members of law enforcement are staring right at her, knowing the crooked sheriff just killed her husband and will be the one to take her into custody, after presumably killing Marissa. Why, Shenandoah? I did love Pickett kissing the deputy's ass while Marybeth rifled through the evidence to get Shenandoah's phone. But I was vaguely annoyed with him as the episode went on. When he said there was never a reason to kill anyone (when Nate defended Shenandoah) but later on, when thinking about what one of the guys (his name escapes me) had done to him and Sheridan, he seemed a lot more open to vigilante justice. It just rubbed me the wrong way, like it was somehow worse because it was him and his daughter vs all the other women. These guys are absolutely monstrous, and while legally vigilante justice is wrong, I can't say I'd be too broken up about it personally. I wonder what the one widow who got really defensive and hostile with Marybeth knew about her husband's activities.