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But Misty said it wouldn't! That cracked me up so hard. Who cares? What can you do with a torso?

I agree. While there is some mystery to the show, I think it was intended to be more of a character driven drama than a jaw dropping whodunit. A lot of the secondary characters and some of the storylines seem to exist just to give more context to the primary characters. ETA: the above should read I NOW think...in the beginning of the show, I thought they would be going for more jaw dropping reveals. So, at this point, who could Pit Girl and Strung Up Girl be? Mari is the only character (I mean that they have given a name to and any lines) that physically matches either girl. I suppose it's possible the identity of both is a character we haven't even been introduced to yet...

I agree. Holly was unfortunately the most susceptible to his manipulations and therefore his primary target. I am sure Hef got off on how much he controlled her and he didn't have the energy to spend on more than one target. I'm reminded of the narcissistic disordered parents who lavish attention on one child, not because they love that child the most, but because they are making a point to the other child. I don't think he was kinder to the other girls because he preferred them- this was a way to keep a division between them and Holly, his main prey. The other girls don't respect Holly desperately trying to please someone and always failing, and Holly resenting the other girls for gaining his approval so easily.

I expect the theories will wind down in the second season. TV shows and movies and books keep upping the ante on crazy plot twists that the viewer has often come to expect it. It is actually pretty novel at this point when a show is expected to be taken at face value.

I agree. I thought the flashforward disguised as a flashback was actually pretty clever (hey, at least the Yellowjacket writer agrees with me!). And the theory was most prevalent after the pilot aired when less was known about the overall direction of the show.

The working theory was the Pit Girl scene was not a flashback- it was either a nightmare of adult Shauna's or something that happened as 2021 progressed.

Yeah, remember the doctor from Lost said anyone who could do basic stitch work would be fine to sew someone up :).

Yes. One of the writers said that was his favorite theory (of the incorrect theories), but it was not true. ETA: they answer about a third of the way through the interview, when discussing favorite theories.

I had assumed it was Jackie's dream because of the whole, everyone standing in line saying in unison, We Love You Jackie (which wasn't creepy at all or anything), seemed like her swan song goodbye, however, given the sinister turn of the dream I suppose it wasn't really supposed to be a feel good moment after all. I've read a lot of articles over the last few days, with different spoilers and confirmations, so I may be getting them mixed up. What I take from all of them though is that although they had a 5 year plan, it's somewhat fluid. For example, I thought I read somewhere that although Adam was not written to have any specific tie to either the Yellowjackets or the 2021 cult, season two could include his backstory which may tie in in some way. I liked season 1 overall, but I don't know if I'll watch season 2. I am definitely getting Lost vibes from the writers' interviews. ETA: I was disappointed to read one of the interviews dispelling a popular Reddit theory on the identity of Pit Girl. The writers did acknowledge that would have been a clever twist, but alas, is not the story.

I get the addiction thing, but it was still quite the roll of the dice. The situation would have been out of Misty's control the minute Jessica was on the main level...then again, knowing Misty, we can probably assume she had a backup plan we just didn't get to see since Plan A was ultimately successful. Good point about Misty. Jessica played her hand as well as she could have, but ultimately, Misty doesn't need Jessica, either to sell her story, or as a companion. That would be hilarious if Shauna found out about Jessica's true motive in trying to interview her and got mad at Taissa. Um, Shauna, you aren't exactly trustworthy here. You can hardly blame Tai for not trusting you.

I will say it's a testament to the actress's skill and charisma that she has managed to stay somewhat afloat in Hollywood flouting the industry standard ideal. She was definitely my favorite character in Coyote Ugly, even if she didn't have a huge part.

Jackie is definitely self absorbed to the point of oblivious. Shauna is not wrong in that regard. I think Jackie honestly believed Shauna had always emulated her and looked at Jackie as her own personal ideal, so her telling Shauna what to wear and how to act was her trying to help Shauna be more like her. That is probably also why finding out that Shauna slept with Jeff was so devastating- it wasn't just the betrayal, Shauna had experienced something Jackie had not, and knew things (sexually) Jackie did not know. If Jackie disclosed any of her sexual activity to Shauna, she probably did it in a slightly patronizing way, assuming Shauna was completely ignorant about it, and now she finds out Shauna not only has had sex but knows how to achieve an orgasm with Jeff (if Shauna was that explicit in her journal, which I am guessing she was). They definitely did love each other, faults and all.

This is probably a total reach, and I am guessing the writers are treating freezing to death like carbon monoxide poisoning- you just lose consciousness and die before you can regain it- but it is possible that Jackie did not freeze to death? As in, she was killed another way?

Oh yes, she did herself no favors. Like I said upthread, Jackie has been her own worst enemy the entire time.

You could argue that Jackie was unkind, and unwise, to decide losing her virginity was worth creating bad blood within the group, that impacted everyone, but there was no way she could have known Lottie and Shauna would react how they would. And three of the people that ate the mushrooms did not act the way Shauna and Lottie did, so I can see being completely horrified and not wanting to sweep it under the rug, and wanting to understand what happened. Throwing in that Jackie had been off with Travis just seemed like a completely irrelevant diversion from what needed to be discussed. I don't know about that. She said, this never would have happened if you hadn't- and then she broke off. I am not sure how her resentment of Jackie led to nearly killing Travis.

I was pretty annoyed with Van when Jackie is confronting the she-wolf mob, telling them at least she (Jackie) hadn't gone insane the night before, and Van pipes up, yeah, you were too busy fucking Travis. You know what Natalie probably cares more about, Van? The fact that Shauna and co. tried to kill her boyfriend. In fact, Jackie fucking Travis had the unintended result of Travis feeling like he was on more even footing with Natalie (in terms of experience and fucking someone who had been unkind to Natalie), thus allowing them to reconcile. And even if they hadn't, I am sure Natalie would rather him not be murdered. I would expect that from Mari, but I thought Van was a little more enlightened than to engage in slut shaming.

Yeah, it would have been so much better if Jackie had just pointed out she didn't force Shauna to play soccer or stay friends with Jackie or anything that Shauna was accusing her of, but instead Jackie had to talk about how jealous Shauna was of her, which was the wrong thing to say and stunningly tone deaf in a room full of people who have a lot of disdain for Jackie at the moment.

I suppose there is no way Jackie is the hanging naked girl, correct? At first I thought she was alive because she was bound and her throat was slit, but the rope could have been used for easier transport and they slit the throats of animals after they've been killed. However, the girl clearly was bleeding from the head and feet, and that wouldn't really track with Jackie freezing to death. I always thought the hanging naked girl was possibly Jackie because hair and body type were a match, but I don't see any way it could be now.

Yeah, it's one thing to surprise your audience but I find it cheap when a writer creates a highly improbable situation just so they can yell, gotcha! So if Lottie is alive in 2021, she is not the pit girl either. At this point I am wondering if Pit Girl is even a Yellowjacket. Maybe another character is introduced in season 2.

Yeah, she was annoying, but I LOVED her yelling at the guy, shut the fuck up, you're a grown man!

Lottie was decent up until the last 2 episodes. Some speculated that Laura Lee's death would be the catalyst to evil Lottie which does appear to be the case now. I go back and forth on Shauna. She does have moments of real kindness but I don't like how she justifies things to herself. She, like Jackie, is pretty complicated. But she was most definitely stone cold during that exchange with Jackie.

Did they say who she was, or just who she wasn't? I only saw one reference to Pit Girl in the interview. But I might have missed another one. I just rewatched the scene between Shauna and Jackie, and Shauna was beyond vicious. Come on, Shauna, take a little responsibility here. If your best friend is so boring and self absorbed, maybe don't hang out with her every day for 4+ years? If you don't like playing soccer, maybe...don't play? I did like how the writers were clear that Jackie is not a cartoon villain high school bitch. She's an imperfect, layered character. The world is full of suburban princesses like Jackie, and some of them grow out of it, and some of them don't. Sadly, Jackie was her own worst enemy on her last night. Her trying to kick Shauna out of the house was an incredibly stupid power move when it should have been clear to her she had no power there. And even then, Tai tried to help and Jackie stupidly rebuffed her. Her friendship with Shauna may not have been salvageable but I think her position in the house could have been.

I understand Jackie has been obnoxious and grating on everyone for awhile now, but really? Sleeping with classmate who has an on again off again relationship with another classmate is somehow worse than coming within a millimeter of slitting said classmate's neck open? While a group watched and hooted and hollered and encouraged her? I understand the mob has a vested interest in making Jackie the bad guy, lest they turn the finger on themselves, but Taissa, Van, and Ben should really more be alarmed by the turn of events than they are. I also thought it was really obnoxious when Shauna tried to blame Jackie for starting the chain of events. I don't care how much Princess Peach is annoying you right now, Shauna, the fault of nearly murdering Travis lies with you specifically and the mob indirectly. That said, damn Jackie, take some social cues here. Now is not the time to pick fights and if you must get into them, choose your battles wisely. ETA: While poisoning the cigarettes was really smart, I am not sure how Misty knew Jessica would insist on getting her specific pack back. If I were Jessica, (granted I am not a smoker), I would have gotten out of the house as quick as humanly possible and delayed my nicotine gratification a few extra moments to get to a convenience store. Also, Jackie was wearing a letter jacket and a blanket and still shivering, and Natalie and Travis are walking around in regular long sleeved t-shirts and seemed unbothered by the cold.

I don't think Jackie isn't smart. She's not gifted academically like Shauna, but not many people are. But yes, she's more like "above average" in everything vs. extraordinary. She's the person who is always like, top 25% in everything she does, but never the top spot. Which, is generally more useful in my opinion to be merely good at everything vs. great in one or two things. That said, a couple things she is not good at is reading the room (at least in the wilderness, where the social dynamics have changed) and being useful in an emergency situation. At first I was pretty aghast at Jackie repeating her mother's terrible advice to Misty, but I thought she redeemed herself by 1. telling Misty her mother probably wasn't a great source and 2. telling Misty that Misty deserved someone that was really into her. It might have gone over Misty's head, but I thought Jackie was saying that Misty should not chase someone who isn't interested but wait for someone who really likes her. I mean, how Misty's going to do that in the wilderness is unclear, but the advice wasn't bad all the same. Well, it might have been different if the girl who broke code was anyone but Jackie. She has not endeared herself to many people. In that same respect, I am not sure the girls will gang up on Shauna either since Jackie is the injured party in question.

I agree. I understand you have to give a little leeway to TV/movies, but Van's recovery is seriously pushing it. That said, I am glad for the character's sake that the disfigurement is relatively minor. I am hopeful that we see the adult version of Van in the next episode.