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If Dexter is hanging his hat on being smarter than the Iron Lake PD, that's a low damn bar. The Wet Bandits could have outsmarted these guys.

Hahahaha. Elvira.

I thought it was interesting that the blue haired girl seemed to figure out he was going to kill her anyways, and she might as well mess up his ritual. In her shoes, I might have naively thought he had a change of heart, and even if I thought he was going to shoot me in the back I might still try and run for it. Rushing a guy with a gun was a ballsy move. And what exactly is his ritual anyways? This did not seem like the first girl situation. I wonder if he felt Blue Hair was just too uncooperative (or pushing it by trying to seduce him) and decided to cut his losses. Harrison is SO annoying with his hurt feelings over Dexter calling him a liar. Why doesn't Dexter call him out on why? Just say, Harrison, I find it very unlikely that the stab wound you got could have been from Ethan rushing you. It's got nothing to do with which one of you is more trustworthy, rather, what you say happened seems near impossible. Honestly I kind of hate Harrison. He's annoying in general and the actor just bothers me. Angel name dropping Debra, Dexter, and Harrison in his conversation with Angela is just the laziest writing ever. And she's not the only idiot on the police force- these cops regularly interrogate people in front of any civilian audience? Also, why was Dexter not charged with assault?

Agree. Shauna's scenes with both Jeff and Adam are super boring.

It was a tone deaf suggestion (and much of Jackie's behavior post crash has been tone deaf), but I think she was trying to bring slumber party vibes to the group, kind of like the dance party at the beginning. She is in complete denial over how serious their situation has become. I think she took Shauna's advice as like, let's try and make this "fun". Her biggest worry at this point is being bored and uncomfortable. When she said, I just can't get into this living off the land thing- Jackie, no one (except Misty, but they don't know about that) is into this! Everyone is miserable. They just chose to do something productive like gather food sources and keep the campsite clean rather than sit and bitch about how much everything sucks. Anyways, it was a terrible idea, but I think her motivation was on the right track- improving morale. The character named Mari was kissing Jackie's ass in the dollhouse episode and is now openly hostile to her. Everyone just sat there stone faced (except Shauna) when Jackie was struggling with the water bucket. This really surprised me. Shauna can be forgiven for not thinking Adam specifically has targeted her (because we actually don't even know that he has, although I certainly suspect it), but until Callie pointed it out, Shauna acted like it truly never occurred to her that people might know who she is, without her telling them, and more importantly, might not let on that they know. I suppose usually when Shauna is approached by a rubbernecker (and we know she has been), they probably out themselves right away asking her intrusive questions. And Shauna doesn't seem like someone who trusts people very easily or makes a lot of friends. I wonder (mostly for personal reasons, because I have a preteen girl), if Callie blackmailing her mother so explicitly is really par for the course. I mean, I can see a self righteous indignation- you're cheating on dad, and you're worried about ME staying out past 12? or something. Or even being angry that her mother is cheating. Or feeling like her father should know. But to so coldly and smugly leverage your father's potential humiliation and your mother's betrayal (the way Callie must see it) to stay out a little later at night and make a few trips to NYC? That is...something else. As much as I am glad she got smacked down, I kind of wish Shauna had just called her bluff and said, okay, tell him. Tell him now, to see if Callie would back down on her own. That said, Shauna's smackdown was SO MUCH fun to watch. Especially pointing out that Jeff would probably date girls close in age to Callie, which is sadly so true.

OK, I just actually didn't know that (that once you ovulate, those period wheels are set in motion) until I tried to get pregnant and read up on how the cycles work, so I am always itching to tell people that. A lot of times people blame events that occurred right before (like a few days) an expected period as a reason for the delay, which is biologically impossible.

You can't actually "skip" a period. You just normally ovulate around the 2 week period and that time you did not ovulate until like week 6. It was your ovulation that was delayed, not your period.

Yes, it's a myth. It came about during studies of large groups of women lived together- like college dorms-and the studies noticed patterns of women menstruating at the same time. However, you've got 100+ women and periods ranging from 5-7 days long- odds are pretty good multiple women are going to be menstruating at the same time. There is also a common misconception about delayed periods due to stress. Stress cannot delay a period. Stress may (although not commonly- people get pregnant in war zones all the time) delay ovulation, which would then delay a period, but once you ovulate, that period is coming (assuming you didn't conceive that cycle) regardless of how stressed you are. The odds of all the girls but Shauna starting their periods the same week are pretty low, but I will forgive this plot contrivance. ETA: if they had been out there for several months, they might mostly stop getting periods, due to starvation preventing ovulation, but I think at this point they've been out there 3-4 weeks. Shauna is probably around 6 weeks pregnant, where you might first start getting symptoms.

That was awesome. I haven't really liked Shauna's character much, but I loved both the teen version and the adult version of her this week. ETA: I watched it again. Callie's smug little "I basically invented it" in regards to Mutually Assured Destruction was particularly annoying because if that little pissant truly knew what that meant, she would know she wasn't going to like whatever Mama had to say. I will say the actress did a decent job of deflating as Shauna was schooling her. I am torn about Jackie. On the one hand, cramps and other side effects vary from person to person, so it's highly possible she was just really unable to do some of the physical labor. When I was her age I would be in tears sometimes, and the pain was so much it would make me throw up- I can't imagine trying to get through it without painkillers. On the other hand, she's giving off some serious princess vibes, but at least she did pay Shauna a legit compliment this episode. Teenage Taissa is so nice and caring to all the girls; it is hard to imagine she willingly did anything sinister. So, Shauna got married in 2001 and based on my calculations, returned home in early 1998. Wonder what she did during 1998-2001? I find the uniform gift incredibly bizarre. Of all the tokens the parents could have given Shauna, they chose the uniform? I am sure Shauna would want something a little less loaded to commemorate her dead friend. That almost seems more like a fuck you than anything else. And her 40th birthday is a weird milestone to commemorate if she died at 18ish. Was anything said that indicated she did die in the wilderness, or are we just assuming she is dead now but we don't know when?

Am I totally romanticizing the 80s/90s, or does anyone else remember that smacking a skipping CD player or blowing on a VHS tape seemed to actually make the problem go away? I know I remember it working.

Lee may have been John's favorite, but why wouldn't he be? He had no life outside the ranch, no desire to build one, and did whatever his father told him to do without complaint. He was basically Rip, but a biological Dutton. I'm just not convinced John really cares about any of his kids beyond how they can protect the Ranch's legacy. He may need them, he may appreciate what they do, but if they all said, hey, we want to live our own lives and just pop in and visit you now and then, I can't see him having much use for them. I remember when John found out that Beth couldn't have kids, and when he was yelling and slapping Jamie around, he said something like, now Tate has to try and protect this place all by himself? Um, John, who said Tate even wanted to do this? He's like 11. Just because he thinks your house is sweeter than his trailer and he likes to ride a horse for fun, does not mean he wants to manage the ranch, let alone get in bed (literally and figuratively) with every law enforcement and political figure in town to protect it. He just takes it for granted that the ranch is all each generation will care about. Also, he only considered Beth's inability to have kids as a hindrance to pumping out more kids who would manipulate the legal, political, and economic factors that would protect the ranch. He didn't think maybe Beth might want kids for other reasons? (I mean, it's Beth, but still).

I think it was just that scene. I get the impression Mama Dutton wanted Jamie and John just did whatever Mama Dutton wanted, but never really developed a true affection for Jamie. Once he saw how gifted Jamie was, he figured he would be useful and invested the Ivy league money into him. John only seems to really care about Kayce. I know, he tells Beth he loves her, but I don't know that he really does, at least not in a functional way. She turns herself inside out for him and is so desperate for his love and approval, and he just takes it for granted that every move she makes will be for the direct benefit of him and his stupid ranch that he must know she doesn't care about. His interactions with her strike me as very manipulative. He seemed to have an honest affection for Tate in the first 2 seasons but they aren't really showing that now. I am not sure John really loves any of his kids, but he seemed to love his wife. Rip frustrates me so much. He has like, Stockholm syndrome when it comes to John. Yes, John did teenage Rip a kindness not turning him in and giving him a job. It was not an entirely altruistic move- John got plenty out of it. Rip can be grateful and he can think John walks on water all he wants but he shouldn't expect every other kid in an unfortunate situation to feel and act the same way.

Huh, I guess I missed that nuance; I wasn't watching that closely because I find that part of the plot boring. I thought the lady was prying out of nosiness, not as a strategic political move. But that begs another question, how does the blond know there is more to the story? Perhaps their party line (we scavenged, we starved, we prayed) sounds too rehearsed, but really, the most remarkable thing about this story is that there were any survivors. Being lost in the Canadian wilderness with no food, no medical supplies, no winter clothes, no hunting supplies, for 19 months is no joke. I'm of two minds about that. At this point, the big reveal being, a few people died by the elements and we used their bodies for food, would feel like a pretty big cop out for what the show has been hinting at all this time. But if this were me, for example, and I ate someone else (already dead) to survive, I probably wouldn't want people to know, either, even though I had not committed a crime. But yeah, I am assuming there was something a little more insidious going on. I don't think it's all on Misty either. She has a vindictive streak and not much of a conscience, but she's also a follower, desperate to be liked by others. That would make sense that Shauna knows he has an angle. I agree, she likes playing with fire. I did wonder if Shauna was going to confront Jeff at some point and come to find out he wasn't actually sleeping with anyone else. But he did go into a hotel room it seems with another woman which is pretty suspicious. I don't know if Shauna would have slept with Adam if she did not believe Jeff was cheating on her, or if she would regret sleeping with Adam if she discovered Jeff truly had cheated. ETA: The Jackie thing was weird, and I believe it is the first time adult Shauna has acknowledged Jackie, right? I am sure it was Shauna's subconscious, not like, a ghost because Shauna seemed sad and kind of sheepish, not alarmed. Perhaps she sees Jackie often in her head when she's doing something that isn't a very good idea.

Tori could have survived just fine on a more modest lifestyle (which is still way more luxurious than the average Joe). I remember this was the girl (she was still working on the 90210 original series then, so she was probably like 22-23 at the time) who proudly bragged to People magazine (or something of that ilk) that she left her house/apartment and moved into a $500/night hotel- bear in mind, this was like 1994, not $500 in 2021- because the presence of a kitchen in her living space offended her. It didn't matter that she didn't have to use it, she didn't even want to see it. She just has no concept of money. I think her parents really crippled her and Candy continues to enable her.

Wait, where’s the 6? I recall a bunch of animal heads milling around behind Misty but there are definitely only 6? It would make sense for the two girls hoisting the girl up and slitting her throat to be Jackie and Shauna- I mean who’s to say the antler Queen even knows what she and her minions are eating? And Misty does look super smug when she pulls off her mask. I can’t be 100% sure, but one of the closeups of someone eating looks like a man’s mouth. I think Travis is at the bonfire. During Dollhouse I counted 16 survivors including the coach, and the two boys. There are 4 known yellow jacket survivors, 4 semi regular players of which their fate is unknown, two character that are befriending Taissa and Jackie, respectively, and three girls who don’t get any lines or even names. Wonder if the pared down group is due to deaths or the group splitting into factions.

Has anyone watched Kendra's new show? I looked and didn't see it anywhere on Primetimer. Kendra looks really different, and I can't figure out why. Obviously her hair is a little different, and she's like 10 years older than when I last watched her show on E!, but it's something else. Did she have work done? She seems to have matured somewhat but she is still so...Kendra. Watching her try to show a house is beyond painful. Her kids are insanely gorgeous. Her house looks really nice too...she kind of hints at having to downsize and spend her money wisely, but her digs look pretty nice.

Really? I didn't know that (about the show getting cancelled if no one watches right away). It's not impossible it's the same girl, but to me it seems unlikely. There is a spike sticking out of her lower back in the pit, and her back is pretty smooth when she's hanging naked. I mean, with the amount of spikes that went through her, there would be blood and tissue all over her body, especially when the spikes were pulled out. Plus, when the girl comes to the edge of the pit and looks down, she doesn't look dismayed or distraught or any reaction you might expect when your friend accidentally falls into a pit and is impaled by a dozen spikes. And what's with the ritualistic animal head bonfire dinner party?

Also thought the fake out with Nat’s dad was kind of a cheap trick. It would have been better if Natalie had actually shot him. There is no mental gymnastics I can do that would make his death her fault. He took the rifle from her. He turned off the safety. And he tripped over his own damn feet in his rush to beat his daughter. She only pulled a gun on him in the first place to get him to stop beating his wife. Unless the whole point was to illuminate that Natalie had a fear of shooting something (the turkey) and got over it (the whatever it was she killed with Travis) it just seemed like the writers wanted to be like, fooled you!

I loved it when Nat called Tai for bail money and Tai disgustedly said that Nat didn’t make it 3 days out of rehab. Nat indignantly responds that she’s not drinking. Well no, not this very second, but no one could accuse her of taking rehab very seriously could they?

That was so weird about the extra turn! Trust me Jackie, you’re gonna want everyone to get as much practice as they need. The show is really laying the groundwork for all the girls to turn on Jackie. She has already alienated Van, things are strained between her and Shauna, Taissa seems like someone who would get annoyed if Jackie kept trying to assert her authority, etc. Jackie is currently coasting on her high school popularity which is going to be less and less of a currency as the days go on. I wonder what the point of that scene was when the head coach told her she was far from the best player but was captain due to her influence. Shauna and Taissa were both specifically listed as superior to Jackie in some soccer regard. Perhaps that has caused some resentment? But then I wonder if that whole thing is misdirection, and Jackie does regain control of the group and is the antler queen? Seems far fetched but they are awfully unsubtle with Jackie’s alienation from the group.

The longer scene is the towards the beginning of the pilot when Natalie is in rehab. They show someone dragging the girl by a rope tied around her ankles. My thought was the girl was alive (perhaps not conscious though) because her legs were tied together and someone then slits her throat, but it was possible she was already dead as the coach said you have to bleed out your prey and the rope may have just been for easier transportation. I still think it's two separate girls based on the injuries the first girl sustained falling into the pit. I am confused because last episode Natalie found a picture in Travis's house of her and Travis as adults, so they must have been in touch. How was he off the grid then? Also, I could not tell if Natalie was bullshitting Kevyn about the unofficial AA sponsoring to get him to help her look into the death, or if that was true since they did have pictures together. Taissa and her political career is so boring, and she way overreacted to that woman's prying. If you were curious, why wouldn't you ask if the person had been drinking and the two of you were bonding? I don't think it was a power move on the blond's part. Shauna and the new guy are also boring. Although I did laugh when the guy outside the liquor store told Shauna she wouldn't be carded and Shauna says, hey! all offended. Also, I think Shauna is somewhat rewriting history. She went to a kegger in an open field and drank beer from a red solo cup which is pretty much a rite of passage for suburban teens. Boo-hoo that she never got to ask a complete stranger to buy her cheap booze. Lots of kids don't do that. Her high school social life seemed pretty typical to me. ETA: I realize Shauna might feel like she lost her youth due to the accident and just didn't want to get into it with him, but listing buying alcohol from a legal adult as a bucket list item is weird to me. That's like, the least cool thing about being underage, getting hosed by whoever is supplying you with alcohol.

Yeah, from the scene, the HBIC is sitting in the center, with 5 or 6 people flanking her, and one person walks up to HBIC with a tray full of what is presumably some kind of cooked meat (human or otherwise). The HBIC nods at the person carrying the tray, and the tray is set down in front of HBIC. I think Misty is the one carrying the tray, but that's not 100%. She's definitely not HBIC. Natalie doesn't seem to like Misty, but she doesn't hate her either. I think Natalie would hate HBIC. It can't be the same girl, unless they were really lazy filming. In the opening scene, you can see the spikes going through her arms, back, and thighs. There are no gouges on the naked girl.

I thought that too! Especially since they made a point of showing how much adult Shauna's life sucks and of course Teen Queen Jackie gets a fairy tale wedding on a tabloid cover. Both the quick flash of the cover girl and Jackie remind me of Susan Sarandon and her daughter who is also an actress. ETA: I mean that's what I thought when I first saw the scene. I don't necessarily think that now. They might have just been showing the cover inset that shows the anniversary of plane crash with the caption, where are they now?

Agree that Lottie looks too tall to be either pit girl or hanging by her ankles girl. I don't believe the sequences are related. The pit girl is the opening scene- it isn't dated 1996 and it doesn't appear to be tied to any of the scenes with any of the specific girls. The girl being dragged through the snow, tied up, then being hung and having her throat slit is interspersed with Juliette Lewis at the rehab facility so I think those are supposed to be her recollections, but that isn't necessarily so. The girl dragged and hung is bleeding only from the head and feet- her legs and torso aren't bloody or punctured. The girl in the pit is impaled in like, a dozen places and probably did not survive that fall. I can't remember where the scene is from 1996 where one of the girls removes her animal head and it's Misty, but if I recall the scene shows the other characters being very subservient to Misty. I am wondering if the girl found herself on Misty's bad side, and this was a punishment, not necessarily a sacrifice for food. I am not sure what would be the bigger shock to the audience- Jackie being the girl who is pretty gruesomely murdered or Jackie being alive all this time, but they are spending enough time on Jackie as a teen to make me think it's going to be one or the other. ETA: oh snap, guys, the queen of the bonfire is not Misty. I found the scene. The person in charge has what appears to be deer antlers sticking out of her headpiece. You can see her millling around in the background when Misty pulls off her animal head. The Head Bitch in Charge is probably Shauna or Taissa. My money is on Shauna. Taissa seems pretty caring overall and Natalie seems to hold no ill will towards her. I guess it could also be Van, especially if the victim is Jackie. But Van doesn't really seem that mad at her anymore.

I think I said this a few pages back, but very ironic that Hef is calling something cheap looking, considering what his standard of beauty was. Kendra was always a very pretty woman, but she looked like a $5 hooker throughout much of Season 1. I highly doubt Holly's shoulder length hair made her look cheap.