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I'm confused on that- is Jackie saying she had sex with Jeff the night before? Later in the car Shauna asks Jackie if she thinks Jeff is still a virgin. Obviously he wouldn't be if Jackie had just had sex with him. Or was she just saying she wants to keep dating him and have sex with him at a later date? It was a weird thing to say. I think Shauna wouldn't care if he said it to Jackie or how he said it, because she knows it isn't true- he can't be in love with her if he's willing to humiliate her by cheating on her with her best friend. Maybe that's enough for her right there- proving to herself that someone doesn't love Jackie.

Jackie does have some moments of self absorption...but I think, in her mind, she was trying to help Shauna. Jackie is probably one of the people who, unless told differently, assumes everyone feels the way she does and wants what she wants. Jackie thinks she would want guys checking her out, she would want the attention of a popular boy (no matter how uninteresting and uncouth), so she encourages Shauna to wear a low cut dress and flirt with the frat boys in the making. I honestly don't think she's trying to undermine Shauna- she assumes Shauna wants to emulate her (Jackie) and she's trying to show her how. Which, in itself could certainly be offensive, but not malicious. I thought Shauna's reaction to Jeff sneaking out Jackie's window was interesting- she looked disappointed. And something about the way they were talking in the car- I got the impression that Jackie was considering breaking up with Jeff and had called it off, and Shauna was disappointed. And not necessarily because she was jealous. More like the disappointment a mom would have when her daughter was dating a loser. It isn't a stretch to me that Shauna considered Jeff beneath Jackie. Also, the sex scene was interesting only in that it was implied Shauna orgasmed when Jeff said he loved her. I certainly can't imagine she's in love with him and she knows full well he didn't mean it, so I really don't see what is in this for her. Very strange. I am hoping we get more of the Shauna/Jackie friendship dynamic, but it seems like Shauna is already pulling away from Jackie following the plane crash. Her demeanor already seems a little distant and cold. I was surprised to see any reaction at all. Jeff is the total asshole boyfriend/husband trope that the main actor in late 90s romcoms had to lure the main actress away from- he is the Glenn Gulia personified. It would be a bigger twist if he wasn't cheating on Shauna. Maybe she's more offended that he is being so indiscreet. Leaving your phone out, having your mistress as a contact by her actual name, being fine with her texting you times and locations of your next hotel tryst- he can't even work up the energy to try and hide it.

I was wincing during that scene of Jeff and Jackie in bed with his hand down her pants. Granted I don't expect much more out of a teenage boy, but I would bet Jeff hasn't picked up much in 25 years. I am sure you're right about Shauna's interest being Jackie-centric because I don't see what else he brings to the table. I just don't understand why- Jackie seemed like a good friend to Shauna, if occasionally a bit tactless and self absorbed. Maybe some kind of competition or validation? Also, I was really surprised to see that Shauna liked, cared when she realized Jeff was cheating. In fact, I assumed she already knew. When her daughter asked her if dad was working late, and then said she was sorry, she looked so sympathetic I thought they both meant Dad was "working late" again, something they both realized and just accepted without much interest. Jeff almost seems like Shauna's penance or something. Yeah, I suppose if they do come across weapons, one of the girls will pipe up with a throwaway line like, my dad and I go hunting! or something like that. That said, cleaning an animal is a little more complicated and not something you'd pick up necessarily just watching someone else do it, but I suppose that's a pretty minor nitpick. I really hope an adult Jackie shows up. I assume they are keeping some of the characters as background characters so they can be killed off easily- right now we have the four confirmed alive women, plus Travis. I am interested to see what becomes of the religious girl, Van, and the TJ Maxx klepto, who are given enough lines each episode to make me think they will feature prominently somehow.

I can understand Van being hurt and angry, I guess, but, it wasn't like Jackie wanted to leave to get her nails done. There's an approaching fire and I am guessing the seatbelt wouldn't release- no amount of tugging on it is going to help. I can hardly blame Jackie for not wanting to be burned alive just to continue to futilely pull on the seatbelt. And you're totally right- most of the girls just shook themselves off and ran for the exits without a background glance. But I suppose that won't matter- anyone who wasn't in that exact situation can imagine themselves being a hero. Shauna did not seem very interesting in assuaging Jackie either.

I just watched these first two episodes and I'm totally hooked. I do hope though, that there is some explanation for how a group of teenage surburbanites manage to learn how to hunt, kill, clean, and safely cook their prey- without any supplies. If they show them spearing animals with tree branches wielded into spikes that's going to be pretty ridiculous. I mean, I am all for suspending disbelief but come on. The cooked girl (hanging naked) was one of the most disturbing scenes I've seen in a long time. Somehow that was even worse than falling in the pit of spikes. Reddit already has some pretty dark theories about who the girl is. Teenage Shauna sure has quite the convenient moral compass, and possibly Adult Shauna does as well. I also thought the guy that she rear ended has an ulterior motive for reaching out to her. When he said, I thought you didn't play by the rules, Shauna- that seemed a pretty meaningful remark. If he just thinks she's foxy and is hoping she's willing to cheat on her husband with a guy who will fix her minivan for free, that will be pretty disappointing. I am not sure I like Shauna's character but I really like Melanie Lynskey. Her relationship with her husband is weird. They seem to have a fair bit of contempt for each other as both teenagers and as adults so why they would marry and stay married for 20 years (roughly) seems odd. Christina Ricci as crazy Misty is just awesome. I wonder why the elderly patient was giving her such a hard time in the first place. She looked pretty cowed when Misty took away her morphine so for her own sake I hope she doesn't keep it up. Watching elderly abuse is difficult and I hope we don't see much more about that. Speaking of things I hope we don't see more of- please no more Furniture Store Fantasies. That was painful.

Principal Victoria is a character on South Park, who can occasionally be kind of bitchy. I do not know if Principal Victoria is a nod to the actress Victoria Principal or not. I just called her that because I couldn't think of any other famous principal characters besides Mr. Belding, which didn't really fit here. Sorry for the confusion.

I am curious about something else, and I did not see the answer on either of the previous show threads this season. Why is Beth so angry at her former boss? As I remember, Market Equities bought a controlling interest in her former employer, with the specific goal of displacing her. There is nothing her boss could have done to save her, and in fact, I am sure I remember a scene where her boss warned her that ME would surely retaliate and she would be first in their line of sight. Beth said bring it on.

I did think that was unkind of Walker, who does not appear to be a very malicious person in general, but then I remembered that when Rip was trying to terrorize Walker, Lloyd was kind of helping him, right? I like Walker and think he's too good for Beth, and Yellowstone Ranch. I remember when Rip was telling Beth that there is a lot of good in her, and none in Walker, and even coming from an obviously biased Rip, that was a pretty ridiculous thing to say. I am sure Lloyd is so deeply invested in Yellowstone that he'd rather be dead than retire. But his sulking has really gotten out of hand, so I think it's time for him to go. He looked pretty brokenhearted in the final scene he was in. Also, I can't imagine anything less uncomfortable than boning your boyfriend on his bunk bed surrounding by leering coworkers. Gross. Even if they could manage to tent themselves on the bunk, you could hear everything.

That is so disgusting. Nothing wrong with instilling a good work ethic in the kid and I don't mind them expecting him to earn his keep, but they seemed determined to put him in his place and it's kind of degrading. At this point, they're getting more out of this arrangement than he is, since his big reward is not getting abused while they're getting a workhorse for free. And Beth is taking the incident so damn personally. He didn't plan a long con to steal her money or jerk off in her underwear drawer, he demanded something from someone who in his eyes, had an endless bank account and no reason to say no (Beth certainly did her share of shopping on Daddy's dime when she was his age). Yes, he was rude and entitled, and sure, she can be annoyed with him but her blubbering about how he cost her her last bit of hope for humanity was like, so melodramatic.

Yeah, at this point I feel like Monica is intentionally enabling Tate just so she can glare at Kayce longer and let him know this is all his fault. Yeah, it sucks your kid has been badly traumatized twice just due to his shared DNA with Duttons, but um, you knew who you were dating, Monica. Once you chose to procreate with a Dutton you signed on for this. Not living at Yellowstone wouldn't have kept Tate any safer either time. It actually would have been a lot easier to hurt/kidnap/shoot him, along with a lot of other innocent people in the wrong place at the wrong time, had you still been living on the reservation.

I suppose it's fairly in character for a teenager, but I find Audrey's ill mannered treatment of the billionaire oil guy eye rolling. I get it, she thinks he's greedy and destroying the environment and maybe she's not wrong, but really, dumping out cocoa he handed her and snottily refusing his offer to help her when she's stranded isn't helping the environment, either, Audrey; it's just being rude for the sake of being rude. Again, that kind of self righteous indignation is pretty much in line for a teenager, but it's still irritating.

This is the first season I have watched in real time (seasons 1-3 were already done when we started watching) and I don't know that I am going to finish. Way too many subplots that really serve no purpose. The kid subplot is dumb. He's irritating, no doubt, but Beth and Rip are really overreacting here. Like if they raised their own kid, he would never be bratty or try to test the limits? They're really going back and forth between treating him like an indentured servant and a friend, no wonder he is confused. And I find their constant, you're nothing, you suck, you don't deserve anything, and you're never going to be any more than this, is like, really emotionally cruel. They can impress upon him that life isn't fair and that he isn't going to have the same breaks in life as other people without making him feel worthless and like he has to beg for scraps. Also agree that Jimmy is not really that interesting. I actually like the Taylor Sheridan cameos though. I would be intrigued by a Beth/Silver Hair matchup if I didn't believe the confrontations will always be rigged in Beth's favor. Silver Hair may win a few battles but Beth is always going to win the war. Yawn. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds Monica obnoxious. She has been sullen and sanctimonious on pretty much episode she's appeared in. Tate is just irritating, but that might be on the actor. I'm normally pretty meh on Kayce, but I did think his scene with Jamie was very poignant and a series highlight for him. His hurt was very evident without being too over the top. The scene to me was very reminiscent of the scene where Jax Teller confronts Juice in prison over Gemma's involvement with Tara's death. Very quiet, very nuanced.

I hated Deb in the first season of Dexter and was actually hoping she'd be killed off by Brian. She was still a harpy in S2 but sort of toned it down by S3. I would never say I liked Deb but she became more tolerable throughout the show, until they had her fall in love with Dexter and kill her boss. Then she majorly regressed. I understand this depiction of Deb isn't supposed to actually be Deb but rather Dexter's self loathing in human form, but it is still SO obnoxious and shrill. Jennifer Carpenter is very, very shrill.

Haha, no, the show probably couldn't find a logical way to explain how Harrison's school records were accessed yet there is no paper trail linking him to Jim Lindsay as his custodial father. Best just to ignore the details. I would assume Hannah had used a completely made up last name.

I would assume there were multiple versions of the test with slightly different questions/answers. That said, get over yourself, Principal Victoria, it's a class placement test, not the SATs. What possible reason would he have for cheating? The privilege of winding up in a bunch of classes for which he is not ready? Epic bragging rights over a class of like, 50? Also, if the test is short enough for him to be able to look up all the answers in 15 minutes, then I blame the test proctor for stepping out. The whole thing just seemed weird and clunky and a way to highlight that Dexter isn't a very supportive dad (then again, he met his own kid for the first time in 8 years a few days prior, how would he know whether or not his kid is the cheating type?).

The Deb thing is getting old. I get it, Dexter has a lot of guilt and Deb screeching at him constantly is his self inflicted punishment, but enough already. I can't tell if Harrison is sloppy writing, or if there is some twist coming up. I did not think Harrison's quick Spanish to the teacher was anything a 7th grade kid couldn't master after a week of Spanish class and certainly did not come off as a very native speaker to me. It may be a petty nitpick but the writers chose to throw it in there. Agree also that Hannah would have planned better for Harrison or at least let Dexter know what was going on, since clearly she had a way to get in touch with him all along. I hope he is lying because if this is the best the writers could come up with it's pretty lazy.

I thought that too! I can't tell if he's really suspicious or if this is an indication of Dexter's paranoia. The incinerator was really quite the contrivance, but that's not that unusual for this show- things always conveniently popped up when the original Dexter needed to move the story along. My money is on the billionaire being both the kidnapper and Audrey's bio dad. The motel room/basement was really weird. I definitely thought motel room the first time they showed her coming out of the bathroom. I don't think she'd be that comfortable staying in someone's house, especially if someone was coming in and dropping off food while she was in the bathroom. It definitely looked like a low end motel room. Also, she looked shocked when she went out the door. Perhaps she was moved while she was sick? ETA: one thing is bothering me though- I can't believe Angela isn't more disturbed by the revelation that "Jim" basically abandoned his kid. I mean, he's the bio dad, and Harrison goes to live with his stepmother? In Argentina? She knows the kid has never visited before and neither has Jim made any trips to South America. There are no pictures of Harrison in the cabin. Jim has never mentioned his existence before. I know she was perturbed in the previous episode but she sure got over it quickly. For that matter, I think it was pretty sucky of Dexter to just blithely assume Hannah would be forever willing and able to take care of Harrison. If I recall, she took Harrison fully expecting that Dexter would show up and meet them. Dexter may not have known Harrison was in foster care, but that was certainly willful ignorance. It never occurred to him Hannah could get sick? In a car accident? Tracked down by someone in law enforcement or someone she crossed in some way?

Yeah once she got over the tube socks and shorts combo she did develop a really cute style. Mostly I liked how she accessorized. Her jewelry and scarves and whatnot always complemented her main outfit without being too ridiculous or trendy.

Holly was? That surprises me, although I admittedly don't know much about designers. I liked Holly's style the best. Kendra's was generally so trashy, although every once in awhile she wore a nice dress. Bridget's was just too over the top. Kendra and Bridget also wore clothes that were way too tight, especially Kendra. I just watched the Half Baked Alaska episode on Prime, and I loooved all Holly's sweaters and matching mittens/hats. In fact, I am currently trying to find a sweater like the one she wore.

Perhaps those misogynistic, controlling rules of Hef actually helped Kendra (the curfew, not being allowed to associate with anyone not approved by Hef, etc.). As infuriating as they were to the average person (who tells a 25 year old woman she has to be home by nine or she's locked out of the house, no exceptions?), that may have been what kept Kendra on the straight and narrow for 5 years. (Obviously the straight and narrow is relative here- Kendra was taking quaaludes and drinking while simulating sex with other women for Hef's pleasure, but this was a controlled environment).

Kendra is on Amazon Prime for free (with commercials). I am bouncing around the first two seasons. It isn't fun to watch after the Superbowl episode. That really seemed like the beginning of the end for them, even though they went on to have another child and were married another 8 years. I imagine in the first 18 months of their relationship (which included an engagement, marriage, and baby) it was kind of like being high all the time- there was always something new and exciting right around the corner. I mean, they went from the top of the world to public humiliation, unknown job prospects, and a two month old child and a mom with (likely) post partum depression. That kind of swing would be hard for any couple to navigate, let alone two emotionally stunted, immature people (which I think Hank is/was, although not on Kendra's level- I mean, Hank was what, 25, when all this went down? Still pretty young). I totally see why a guy would want to date Kendra. That said, a lot of times I thought Kendra's, "I'm just one of the guys" was an act and she was deceptively extremely high maintenance- far more than any self proclaimed "girly girl" would have been. That would have been made clear to any guy that dated her for an extended period of time. But Hank was worried she'd get bored with him, I think, and wanted to lock that down. They have two kids, so I can't say it was a mistake, but, it was...not smart.

I do think Hank had his own demons. I just don't think any well adjusted, mature person would marry Kendra, especially after "dating" (ie talking on the phone) for only 6 months. And certainly not forgo birth control, which I think they admitted they weren't using. They got swept up in a whirlwind- engagement, new reality show, new Superbowl bound team, new move, a wedding, a baby, an actual Superbowl experience- they had all these major lifetime milestones and achievements experienced together within like, an 18 month span, and they didn't know how to react when nothing new and exciting was happening and things were getting challenging- major, catastrophic career setbacks, post partum depression, etc. I am surprised their marriage lasted 9 years, but I think it was rocky for the vast majority of it. I think there was a lot of resentment towards each other pretty much after year 1.

Just getting to the NFL in any capacity is out of reach for over 98% of D1 college athletes, so Hank definitely had talent to make it as far as he did. That said, he had a few (literally, like 2 or 3) key moments in multiple games to really make a name for himself, and he completely blew it each time. I don't know if it was nerves or just extreme bad luck. As cool as Hank seems, I am a firm believer that water seeks its own level. He may not be Kendra levels of trashy or immature, but he does strike me as someone pretty impulsive who doesn't look before he leaps, and perhaps thrives on drama more than he might admit.

I agree. Kendra seemed really despondent when it was clear Hank's career wasn't going where she thought it was. And obviously, you would feel badly for your spouse, that's not surprising, but the vibe I got during the second season of Kendra's show (on E!, not WE) was "this isn't what I signed up for". I think she thought Hank was going to move to be a starter and earn a respectable 7 figure salary for at least 10 years. She may have truly had some honest affection for him, but she also seemed to just loathe him at times.

I mean, Kendra could be a lot of fun, I'm sure, and of course she was very pretty and vivacious, but from the way they present themselves, Hank is/was just SO FAR out of Kendra's league that I was shocked they lasted as long as they did. Yes, Kendra is a very pretty woman, but beautiful, vivacious NFL groupies are a dime a dozen. Hank has a college degree, comes from a functional family, and even if his NFL career was short and largely uninspired, just making it to the NFL puts him in like, the top .001 for achievements. I just couldn't see what Kendra brought to the table. I mean, even her goofiness, which might have seemed charming in the beginning, had to wear thin after awhile, plus, she was lazy, irresponsible, messy, not very bright, and extremely quick to get angry and nothing was ever her fault. Her own memoir (written while she was still married, although who knows how happily) is full of passive aggressive jabs at Hank.