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MichaelDean lost that fight. Lucifer was doing the whole smiting thing, if Sam hadn't thrown him the blade both Michael and Dean would be dead. They still could have had MichaelDean win the fight and still had Sam toss the blade.

Michael coudn't even take out Lucifer. They couldn't even let Dean have that moment.

It was more than just a moment. Lucifer wiped the floor with Michael. Michael wasn't any stronger with his "sword."

My prediction for next season- Michael finds a better "stronger vessel" after 3 episodes Lots of lectures about how dumb Dean was for saying yes from Mary, Sam, Bobby, and Cas. More guilt for Dean. Lots of references to weak Dean. Dabb must be salivating right now.

The only good thing about this episode was the cool shot of Dean with wings. The rest, the writing and directing was terrible. The one thing I didn't want was Dean saying yes to save Sam. I wanted him to have a heroic motivation and mop the floor with Lucifer. Sam could have still tossed Dean the blade in that situation, but nope it had to be Lucifer winning and beating Michael. I just want to point out none of this would have happened if people listened to Dean in the first place when he told Jack to kill Lucifer and said they shouldn't let Jack near Lucifer. "Lets call Sam" Really Mary? Not Sam and Dean?

Except Sam got the big save in the end. Lucifer was winning until Sam tossed Dean the blade.

The and beginning scene of bring em back alive had Sam and Dean interacting. I'm not convinced its going to be cage Michael. He's been ignored all season, not sure why someone would bring him up now. I figure 3 episodes at most.

A few scenes in an ep isn't the same as multiple episodes. IMO, the show will never go there for long than an episode or two at most.

From @Aeryn13 in the spoiler thread: Also how is this going to work? If Dean is the big bad the only way to do it is going to be a Gadreel type scenario because the writers aren't' going to separate Sam and Dean for half or a full season. They barely tolerate an episode. It's going to make Sam look bad if he can't tell that Dean isn't Dean. Does this mean that after 3 episodes, Michael is recharged and doesn't need Dean anymore (since he doesn't care about him anyway) and then they recast Michael and Dean goes back to Sam with his tail between his legs and has to learn another lesson about letting poor Sammy go and that Sam is a big boy who can take care of himself? No thanks. Yup.

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I don't put much faith in what happens in one episode being followed up in another. Since I firmly believe they don't read each other's scripts I'm not sure anyone but Yockey even knows Death said that to Dean. Don't get me wrong, as a big fan of the dynamic between Dean and death, I'd like to see her show up, I just don't think she will.

Is Billie in this episode for sure. I don't see anything on the spoiler sheet and Matt Cohen is still listed but there was an article that says it wasn't SPN he was filming. This is why I couldn't get excited. I figured it was going to be about Sam in the end.

Is Billie in this episode? I don't see her listed on the Tumblr spoiler sheet. They still have Matt Cohen listed, but I there was an interview where he said he wasn't filming SPN.

Since this new character isnt likely to last past 3 episodes, I can see the "Michael doesn't need Dean" easily coming into play.

I think it was Briana at JIB. Im 100% sure because I missed her panel following the announcement, due to getting autos. I saw a tweet from someone

Why are all the writers tweeting the hastag #SaltandBurn

http://ew.com/tv/2018/05/17/supernatural-season-13-finale-jensen-ackles/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly&utm_medium=social Its disappointing that once again Dean is just reduced to protecting Sam instead of being given a world saving moment.

http://ew.com/tv/2018/05/17/supernatural-season-13-finale-jensen-ackles/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly&utm_medium=social This is a little confusing. They've done stunt work before so I'm not sure why Jensen is saying they dabble in things they haven't. It sounds like whatever happens to Dean happens at the end and after the fight in the church. It wouldn't surprise me if we didn't find out who Dean's new character is until next year.

It also seems like vampires are the only monsters left in existence.

Inside the episode

Hot damn is right. I think its adorable he's not wearing socks

I swear Jensen and Misha are deliberately messing with us over the whole clothes thing

Hopefully he has more of a presence than he did in these last two eps

There's a bad moon on the rise.

Putting this post here because I'm pretty sure bitterness is going to creep in. If I apply the SPN occam's razor I don't think the outfit Jensen is wearing has any more significance than Jensen thought it looked cool. I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if it meant any more than that. At JIB, someone asked one of the guests (I can't remember exactly which guest it was, but I want to say Rich) if they could write an episode but didn't have to follow any rules what would it be about. I had a good laugh over that because Dabb and company do it every week. Rules and past don't matter. So if Dean is possessed by Cage Michael, it doesn't mean that writers remember or even care that Michael is supposed to be off his rocker or useless. I tend to suspect they'll do what they always do if it doesn't fit, and just ignore it. I'm still leaning toward AU Michael because the writers seem allergic to remembering Dean has a past and mentioning it on screen (other than to mock it) and the Dean/Michael connection tops the list of taboo subjects. See Dabb's latest article where he makes a specific mention about how Michael isn't the least bit interested in Dean. So once again I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if Dean's connection to Michael comes up in the previouslies. Because the finale is so jam packed I just do see how there will be time to introduce Cage Michael. I would like it but I don't see the writers putting that kind of effort in. I think Lucifer and Michael will come through the rift, and Jack will greatly injure and weaken Michael, Lucifer will start to get the upper hand, Dean will go to AU Michael and make a deal, he will let him possess him if he takes out Lucifer. Then Michael likes his new body, find the outfits in the bunker and takes off with Dean's meat suit. Since Dabb loves MP so much I doubt Lucifer will be killed. Someone mentioned to JP that they would like to see Sam kill Lucifer, and from JP's answer it definitely sounded like if he dies its not Sam who kills him. I have doubts Dabb will let Dean succeed on that front either. If he does there will be some other plot twist that brings him back. *yup bitterness.