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! was also kind of "Go Emma!" when she pulled the "I am your mother" thing on Henry. Too bad it backfired. So now Henry gets to have memories of both worlds? Did he "see the movie" a lot in that one year in New York? Are those faux memories? Because we know he didn't see "Peter Pan" in storybrooke the first 10 years of his life. I think they don't have the Disney Channel there. Regina got poufed back when Zelena showed up, and just hit the floor hard. How did Neal die in two different times?

I don't know, saying it's her money and hers to spend doesn't wash with me. $600 even today is something that has to be declared on taxes, and in 1982 it was a HELL of a lot of money. NO upstanding religious organization should ever accept that kind of income from a minor without all kinds of written documents and calling the paernts. "We thought you knew?" Yeah, you did so much due diligence. What's one phone call? Seriously, that would not hold up in any court of law. Minors do not have the same legal rights as adults and it would be easy to make a case that Paige was lured into giving away her entire savings. I can't imagine how Paige thought they wouldn't find out-- except that she's a teenager-- and that the church thought it was fine, without checking, kind of underscores that the church is not the innocent place it seemed. Kind of a shame because you can see Philip wants some kind of salvation and feels bad about the four deaths on the mission. But taking money from children is not the way to go. I was scared for the preacher but firmly on Philip's side. That preacher and that church are not good people.

Thanks HerLadyship, the show does seem to be optimistic about what medicine can do. I agree that more complexity about a lot of things, particularly the medicine, would be helpful to the viewer just to fill things in.

No there was no other family. The family were all killed. Hence the not getting to say goodbye. People who escaped ghettos and death camps didn't have suitcases of possessions and memorabilia. If they'd left before the war it would be plausible but were expressly told they did not but lived in a basement. I know I said I'd stop but that question needed an answer as it demonstrated to me the harm this misrepresentation does... It's just as if you supposed Africans sold into slavery made it through with a few souvenirs of the old country that got handed down. This is exactly why I'm upset. It really waters down what happened.

It is not entirely possible that a family friend hid photos for them. But f that were the case there needed to be lines about it because it's so unlikely. The frank situation was in a different country. Do you know any Polish or German survivors that have a room full of family photographs? I don't. And I do know many (well some have since died). What's more were given lines in the show about how they went back and found everyone dead. I'm sorry but I found this representation offensive. It suggests that the Holocaust had ghettos, not death camps, that said ghettoes could be escaped merely by hiding... By a woman and a Young baby, that people recovered memorabilia and then somehow kept it through refugee camps and immigration. I find that beyond insulting. I don't think people really understand how completely bereft survivors were and this makes it seem like a relatively easy thing, they just waited it out. Then came upstairs. On top of he hat there's the mezuzah kissing on the way out, the baby's red string.... It felt like sheer tokenism to this Jewish girl and her 80- something mother. Obviously YMMV but as. Jews we were offended by the "exotic color" for this show, and really, nobody can argue me out of that reaction. My 80- something mother first laughed and then was irritated. A few people wished they had run it by a. Jewish consultant. So do I. I'll shut up about it now though. Unfortunately this has been the case too often with Jewish characters on British shows... Full of cliche and pointing at it. (Imagine if. Dawn on. Mad Men sang spirituals on her break, ate soul food, had a souvenir from Africa and talked about the new funk records. Yeah, she's not a character then, she's evidence of How We Put A Black Character On The Show. Well that's how we felt about tis "Jewish" family. It's all there... Religion, Holocaust, symbols, the food.... And doing it wrong.

I'm just saying she did not look like a Jewish woman from Poland or from Germany. It felt to me like the casting directors thought dark hair = Jewish.I'm not saying that you can't have dark hair from Germany or Poland. I amJewish, and know many people of German and Polish descent. Half of my family, in fact, and many people in my shul. The mother looked like she could be from Germany or Poland but the daughter did not. I don't know if Orion Ben who played the role is Jewish or not, but she didn't look like an Ashkenazi Jew, to me. When I first saw her I thought she was Indian. But that's the least of it. I'd even accept that for some reason these German Jews (possibly Polish) from a very assimilated community do this weird thing of touching the mezzuzah when they go out. Never seen it, but OK. But the red string? No, no, no, no no. No. And the photographs. That's just beyond. I've met many survivors. Nobody has photographs. And if we're meant to believe they somehow saved family portraits in the cellar, or that they were waiting when they got back, that's beyond ridiculous. The camera lingered on them too, as if to say, "time to leave the past behind!" it was heavy-handed, but also, made no sense.

Your words to G-d's ear re. Jewish consultant. Sooooo many things were wrong. My mom and I just laughed when she touched the mezuzah on the way OUT. NO. red string aroung the baby's wrist! NO! Unless they are from the Middle East. Which we know they are NOT. Not to mention having dark hair does not give you a Jewish look- she's supposed to be a German Jew! No freaking way! But the worst, and the one that is deeply deeply offensive to people like my mother old enough to have lived through WWII were the paraphernalia, the family pictures, as if Jews escaped the Holocaust with suitcases of stuff. nazi ghettos?? Um DEATH CAMPS PEOPLE!!!! Nobody would say Nazi ghetto.m mr there was just one ghetto, it was in Warsaw, and that's not these people. And you did not have family pictures in sepia tones in silver frames. So. Offended. Not to mention that they. Eat pickles and talk deli and use Yiddish words around people who wouldn't know the,. So. Wrong. Eta: don't think you should speak for "most Jews."Shavuot is still celebrated in every conservative and reform synagogue in the us, not to mention Orthodox. It's still taught in. Hebrew schools. I'm Conservative but also worked as religion editor for a local weekly so saw a lot of reform and reconstructionist up close. Shavuot involved all night study Sessions at all kinds of denominations. It you mean most Jews who don't join any synagogue and are completely secular, then agreed,they may not know the holiday, but. Jews who belong to one certainly know about it.

This show just makes me so happy. I hate Ehrlich but he is funny. And I loved that the eccentric billionaire was eccentric like a fox.

Queasy-Bo, good point. That was old. And the get-ups did get silly. Still, I just kinda ... liked her. Never got her attraction to the Russian though.

Better price? Redcoats commandeering them?

Won't the man die of exposure and starvation if he's tied up and gagged?

I hated The Medium. Tried to do he hat Six Feet. Under did but it didn't make sense. Loved. The Sopranos. I didn't like MASH. I guess I'm weird. It seemed forced to me.

(Small voice) I like Carrie. I did think much of the stuff with Aidan was silly. And her expectations of. Natasha were self centered. But Big married Natasha on the rebound and Natasha wasn't very real to Carrie, that doesn't excuse it but I can relate to her. If shoes are 600-800 and she buys one or two pairs a year for 15 years sure, it would add up. I don't know. I don't always approve of her. But I still like her.

Oh good point Zalyn. (I can't seem to make full editor work on my iPad or I'd have quoted you). I couldn't put into words why I thought there was something and you just did. Jaime maybe is even in love with her but since he associates love with looks he hasn't figured it out yet.

Heh. The lead sounds Irish and I think that is because he's an English actor trying to sound American. The dad sounds American. Not that I'm complaining, lead is handsome despite his kind of awkward ears.

I flove this show. How adorable was Richard at the bank. He's so sweet and humble. And I loved his takedown of the greedy colleagues that wanted him to fire his best friend, and how the best friend saw that and is now spying for him. Great development. It all feels so accurate to me, but mainly I am just fasinated by a nice guy who's smart and decent. I mean, that just never appears on TV, and it's a difficult character to portray, and Middleditch owns it.

kiss-of-draino! Very good. Hook was a stand-up guy before he became a pirate, so I find the whole "loaded dice" thing bizarre.

OMG I wanted to SCREAM. I put my finger on what really, really bugs about this show: we are constantly being asked to ignore the premise. Because I do not believe for one second that anybody, no matter how moralistic, would confuse adultery with a previous relationship with a woman who LATER DIED. I am not Christian so correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Christianity depend on resurrection? This felt soooo contrived. And what kind of church was it? Does everyone in town go to it? Are there no Catholics or Baptists, let alone Jews, there? The whole "townspeople are afraid of the miracle people" feels contrived and actually insulting to people in small town America who are not DUMB. They have internet and cable TV there too. And after the narrow-minded weirdness at the church, Henry decides to stay "home?" Why? Why? Why? I am hate-watching. This show sucks.

I've learned that serial killers really, really like to taunt detectives, and leave faux clues for them. Like the Riddler, but darker.

I think Tim Gunn is not comfortable being the star. It went to his head, the "being cool," like the kid on Almost Famous, and he lost all the honesty, decency and thoughtfulness we've loved about him. I'm so disappointed, and his "soul-sucking" non-apology made it worse, but I hope that he'll take some downtime when the show finishes and reflect, and change back. It's like when my best friend who used to have heavy glasses and a too=pushed up nose in eighth grade got contacts and slimmed down and got taller and her nose dropped a little and suddenly she was a blonde bombshell. She was insufferable for a while. Actually it was a few years, but I think since Tim is an adult maybe it won't take that long. My point is that degree of coolness must be hard to resist. That said, still, so. disappointed. in Tim. Yes, Sam's story is sad but jeez louise, I actually sneered and said, "oh you're going to CRY NOW," and that means you'll stay, because you were bullied for being gay (not, like Natalia, just bullied for being prey. Hey, that rhymes) and everyone wants to seem PC. Listen, loads of people have been bullied and even contemplated suicide but how does that make your outfit more worthy? Though his outfit did sort of grow on me. I do think he was sincere because we saw him getting all introspective reading the comic books, but a little self-control and appropriate behavior instinct would have been nice. Did NOT like Tim prompting him. Again-- liked Classic Tim, when he didn't work for the producers.

What's this, call and response.l. Said in bed... Was just delightful. Nina seemed so joyful. They would actually be a cute couple. I'm a straight woman but damn Nina is gorgeous, almost unbelievably pretty to be anything but a model, but I buy it because this is atv, where detectives usually look like models, and because it's soviet Russia where celebrity wasn't supposed to matter. But I just have to say her distinctive striking beauty is hard to look away from... And makes her role even more compelling. How many episodes are left?

Omg I laughed myself silly. My first job out if college was as an administrative assistant at Oracle, who t the time prided themselves that everyone there including receptionists went to Harvard, MIT or Stanford. I went to Stanford. I was an English major and did a lot of theatre. I was AA n research and development, so worked with all the programmers. For one worried about sexism, they were nearly ALL guys... And that hasn't changed much, I do not want TV to falsely represent a world for the sake of being politically correct. I trust the show will figure out other ways to include women. For example, in college some of my best friends (I know how that sounds but do not mean it that way) were guys in comp sci, a nd I still hung out with the hem after we graduated. It's not as if there are no women in Palo Alto or San Jose. Anyway, Oracle parties were JUST like that, pretentious and smug. We had enforced "employee training" when we started which was classic brainwashing.... They kept us in a hotel, forced us to do outward bound stuff "bonding." Well I will admit that it did give me quickly a group of 20 friends in the company. But yeah the lavishness and waste and ego and nonsense about SQL. Plus was JUST like that (when SQL plus wasn't even something a person would use just huge companies and governments). Larry Ellison used to park his Testarossa out front and omg the smugness. One AA began an affair with him ( a ringer! From some California school that was not Stanford! She joined later and skipped the training experience) and it was just all ick all the time. And the programmers were sweet nerds just like that although Middleditch is more sweetly appealing. I'm so in.

I am unusual in that I generally like the Daenerys bits best. I love to look at her and the scenery is often somewhere beautiful, I love the dragons. E one with its head on her lap looking so blissful was well, cute. Any minute now it was going to roll over and ask for a tummy rub. Nd it would never have hissed at mommyifnshe hadn't tried to separate it from food. Very catlike. I agree about the new Daario, though I thought his stealth flower giving was cute (so, apparently, did Dani). Aren't Dani and her brother the babies Oberyn thinks were slaughtered or am I confused? In retrospect it looks idiotic of Tywin to kill the Dorne princess so brutally. Way to fester a feud. I mean 20 years ago is the 90s... Hardly any time at all in the grand scheme of thingsare of course Oberyn would take his revenge.

T me that did not look like Nina and Olegs first time, though I suppose they could have gone out to celebrate and then ended up there. Have to say they looked very merry and right together and she seemed as happy as we've seen her.

Huh, I actually love that song... maybe because I didn't see the movie until much later. It always seemed dark and very sad to me, and had little bearing on the tone of the actual show. I remember even as a little girl wishing the show were more like the music. Guess I was kind of an odd little girl. Besides, how does anyone know suicide is painless? I bet it isn't.